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Re: Burks
« Reply #150 on: January 17, 2018, 11:15:43 am »

If I were to divide the state into equal recruiting zones as far as average yearly talent, there would be 3 zones. Northwest Arkansas (which would include Ft Smith), Little Rock Area, and the rest of the state.
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« Reply #151 on: January 17, 2018, 03:23:20 pm »

smith was the best high school player i had seen in person until Burks came along. Smiths senior season might be the best in Arkansas high school history.
You're showing your age. Shabazz & it's not even close. He still got the 200 meter state record and he wasn't even on the track team. He played baseball during the spring  and went to track meets when he could. He played safety for the Zebras during the regular season and Glover would put him at RB during the playoffs. If you saw his performance against an undefeated Texarkana you would agree. But I will not take anything away from Warren they produce an incredible amount of D1 talent.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #152 on: January 17, 2018, 04:12:27 pm »

You're showing your age. Shabazz & it's not even close. He still got the 200 meter state record and he wasn't even on the track team. He played baseball during the spring  and went to track meets when he could. He played safety for the Zebras during the regular season and Glover would put him at RB during the playoffs. If you saw his performance against an undefeated Texarkana you would agree. But I will not take anything away from Warren they produce an incredible amount of D1 talent.

once again. I was not around during that time. And smiths senior season was a rare one. Not sure anyone has done what he did that season. And I have heard many many people mention Burks state championship performance being just as good as Shabazz. No clue if he is as good as shabazz but the kid is all state in 3 sports also. hes no slouch..lol
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« Reply #153 on: January 17, 2018, 05:31:55 pm »


Nothing against Burks.  Once a generation Elite player


But 1990 Shabazz replaces him vs Arkadelphia and Warren scores every possession....usually on one play.

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« Reply #154 on: January 17, 2018, 06:16:31 pm »

I donít doubt he was the best. But nobody is saying Burks is better.. lol.. all i said was Smith was the best i had seen in person until I have seen Burks over the past 3 years. Itís crazy to think Burks still has another season. Seems like sheís been dominating high school football for 10 years.
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« Reply #155 on: January 17, 2018, 07:54:54 pm »


Nothing against Burks.  Once a generation Elite player


But 1990 Shabazz replaces him vs Arkadelphia and Warren scores every possession....usually on one play.

What a great follow up story. Thank you, I wondered what became of Basil. That is a wonderful story. And yes, without question, he was unbelievable in high school. Explosive, power, speed, balance, and vision.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #156 on: January 17, 2018, 08:26:22 pm »


Nothing against Burks.  Once a generation Elite player


But 1990 Shabazz replaces him vs Arkadelphia and Warren scores every possession....usually on one play.

Thanks for posting the video. I was to young to appreciate Shabazz skills. His playing is extremely impressive but the man it appears he has become, is the most impressive of all. I'd take anyone with a good head on their shoulders over a Johnny Manziel with a Heisman Trophy.
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« Reply #157 on: January 17, 2018, 08:57:15 pm »


Nothing against Burks.  Once a generation Elite player


But 1990 Shabazz replaces him vs Arkadelphia and Warren scores every possession....usually on one play.
Thanks IronHog for sharing.








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« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2018, 09:10:05 pm »

Thanks for posting the video. I was to young to appreciate Shabazz skills. His playing is extremely impressive but the man it appears he has become, is the most impressive of all. I'd take anyone with a good head on their shoulders over a Johnny Manziel with a Heisman Trophy.

Nothing against Burks.  Once a generation Elite player


But 1990 Shabazz replaces him vs Arkadelphia and Warren scores every possession....usually on one play.



I believe Burks scored on ONE play two times in the championship game and the second play one time, also against a defense that  was highly thought of before the  game began.  He had 4 tds in the game and if not for a great tackle by a defender, he would of had #5 and the game winner.  Burks also did this as a JUNIOR vs Shabazz's performance as a senior.  Burks also had a major impact on the  game with 18 tackles from the lb position with an interception.  You will have to look LONG and HARD to find a player that  had that much of an impact on a game from BOTH sides of the ball in a state championship game.
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« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2018, 09:42:27 pm »

I believe Burks scored on ONE play two times in the championship game and the second play one time, also against a defense that  was highly thought of before the  game began.  He had 4 tds in the game and if not for a great tackle by a defender, he would of had #5 and the game winner.  Burks also did this as a JUNIOR vs Shabazz's performance as a senior.  Burks also had a major impact on the  game with 18 tackles from the lb position with an interception.  You will have to look LONG and HARD to find a player that  had that much of an impact on a game from BOTH sides of the ball in a state championship game.


You get a Shabazz mention in your recruiting thread you are pretty dang good.

Potential Olympian, loved by Nolan Richardson, drafted by MLB, and the major reason Arkansas didnít transition well to the SEC......still a message board topic 25 years later.  And a cautionary tale for any young man.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #160 on: January 17, 2018, 10:00:04 pm »

Iíd take Shabazz over McFadden if we were drafting Arkansas High School running backs. 
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« Reply #161 on: January 17, 2018, 10:16:12 pm »

I donít doubt he was the best. But nobody is saying Burks is better.. lol.. all i said was Smith was the best i had seen in person until I have seen Burks over the past 3 years. Itís crazy to think Burks still has another season. Seems like sheís been dominating high school football for 10 years.

Shabazz averaged 7 yards a carry and scored 29 TDs as a senior. Some folks take his whole athletic body of work and apply it to football.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #162 on: January 17, 2018, 10:17:13 pm »

Iíd take Shabazz over McFadden if we were drafting Arkansas High School running backs.

I'd take McFadden, Madre, Hillis, Dixon, etc over Shabazz. Senior season Shabazz averaged 7 yards a carry and scored 29TDs.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #163 on: January 17, 2018, 11:15:32 pm »

Y'all must be forgetting about Derek Russell from Little Rock Central.  I think he still holds the record for the 200m hurdles.  Great wide receiver in the NFL.  You have to talk about him when discussing great WR from Arkansas.
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« Reply #164 on: January 17, 2018, 11:24:41 pm »

I'd take McFadden, Madre, Hillis, Dixon, etc over Shabazz. Senior season Shabazz averaged 7 yards a carry and scored 19 TDs.

Decisions like that would get you job on Brett Bielima's coaching staff! LOL! Shabazz didn't have a lot carries his senior year. I mean in a era of run dominated offense he rarely had 20 carries in a game. In any case you would miss out on a athlete that ran 10.3 100 meters, 20.8 200 meters, long jumped over 24 feet, high jumped 6'-9" and ran anchor leg on the state record 400 meter relay team. Those are number similar to what Bo Jackson did in high school! He did all this despite never really working out. Football, Basketball, Baseball or Track had he concentrated on just one, any one, of those sports he would have been a professional in that sport.

Since 1990...simply put... the state of Arkansas has not produced an athlete the quality of Basil Shabazz period and it's not even close!
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« Reply #165 on: January 17, 2018, 11:40:16 pm »

Shabazz averaged 7 yards a carry and scored 19 TDs as a senior. Some folks take his whole athletic body of work and apply it to football.

 Tom Lemming once used a spreadsheet to keep notes on players.  Somehow, his spreadsheet was leaked on the internet, some time ago, and I noticed that he didn't have Shabazz rated as highly as most here would.

Personally, I never saw him play, but the hype around Shabazz was unlike anything I've seen, before or since.  I'm not talking about message board hype, but hype from the media that watched him play.  Every Friday night sports report was highlighted by what the Great Shabazz did that evening.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #166 on: January 17, 2018, 11:45:08 pm »

Decisions like that would get you job on Brett Bielima's coaching staff! LOL! Shabazz didn't have a lot carries his senior year. I mean in a era of run dominated offense he rarely had 20 carries in a game. In any case you would miss out on a athlete that ran 10.3 100 meters, 20.8 200 meters, long jumped over 24 feet, high jumped 6'-9" and ran anchor leg on the state record 400 meter relay team. Those are number similar to what Bo Jackson did in high school! He did all this despite never really working out. Football, Basketball, Baseball or Track had he concentrated on just one, any one, of those sports he would have been a professional in that sport.

Since 1990...simply put... the state of Arkansas has not produced an athlete the quality of Basil Shabazz period and it's not even close!
Burks is the best since Basil.
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« Reply #167 on: January 18, 2018, 12:10:48 am »

Tom Lemming once used a spreadsheet to keep notes on players.  Somehow, his spreadsheet was leaked on the internet, some time ago, and I noticed that he didn't have Shabazz rated as highly as most here would.

Personally, I never saw him play, but the hype around Shabazz was unlike anything I've seen, before or since.  I'm not talking about message board hype, but hype from the media that watched him play.  Every Friday night sports report was highlighted by what the Great Shabazz did that evening.

Well his offer list was like few if any kids from Arkansas had. Not sure how an athlete that was 1991 National High School Athlete of the Year award winner was not rated that high. No other Arkansan has won the award since.

The reason for the hype nobody did what he did. True Shabazz story...for some reason he was late getting to the meet of champs his senior year. Kids were lining up adjusting their blocks for the 200 meters when he entered the stadium. They tell him he's about to miss his heat, he runs across football field wearing tennis shoes and a warm up. Puts on his spikes, gets some blocks (not sure he even adjusted them) gun sounds he runs the fastest 200 meters in Arkansas history for high school 20.8! I got at least 3 more stories like that!
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« Reply #168 on: January 18, 2018, 06:11:58 am »

Nobody is doubting the greatness of Shabazz. I just donít think some people realize how elite Burks is. Not sure the last time we have had an athlete that could play at the D1 level at abt 5 different positions.
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« Reply #169 on: January 18, 2018, 07:43:50 am »

Y'all must be forgetting about Derek Russell from Little Rock Central.  I think he still holds the record for the 200m hurdles.  Great wide receiver in the NFL.  You have to talk about him when discussing great WR from Arkansas.

110h. There's no 200h.
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« Reply #170 on: January 18, 2018, 07:54:30 am »

Decisions like that would get you job on Brett Bielima's coaching staff! LOL! Shabazz didn't have a lot carries his senior year. I mean in a era of run dominated offense he rarely had 20 carries in a game. In any case you would miss out on a athlete that ran 10.3 100 meters, 20.8 200 meters, long jumped over 24 feet, high jumped 6'-9" and ran anchor leg on the state record 400 meter relay team. Those are number similar to what Bo Jackson did in high school! He did all this despite never really working out. Football, Basketball, Baseball or Track had he concentrated on just one, any one, of those sports he would have been a professional in that sport.

Since 1990...simply put... the state of Arkansas has not produced an athlete the quality of Basil Shabazz period and it's not even close!

He was a great track athlete. I'm not denying that, but we are talking football.
1700 yards rushing. 7 yards a carry. 29 TDs. That's pedestrian. All while getting about 17 carries a game.
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« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2018, 07:56:49 am »

Tom Lemming once used a spreadsheet to keep notes on players.  Somehow, his spreadsheet was leaked on the internet, some time ago, and I noticed that he didn't have Shabazz rated as highly as most here would.

Personally, I never saw him play, but the hype around Shabazz was unlike anything I've seen, before or since.  I'm not talking about message board hype, but hype from the media that watched him play.  Every Friday night sports report was highlighted by what the Great Shabazz did that evening.

Here's what made Shabazz so hyped: he was a tremendous athlete. Blazing fast on the track and could run and jump. Good size too. He had a decent senior year, but the state championship game is what made him a legend.
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« Reply #172 on: January 18, 2018, 08:07:07 am »

Nobody is doubting the greatness of Shabazz. I just donít think some people realize how elite Burks is. Not sure the last time we have had an athlete that could play at the D1 level at abt 5 different positions.

Burks is amazing because of his size. Arkansas just doesn't produce athletes with his size, speed and quickness. In my opinion that's what separates him from the other great players from Warren.
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« Reply #173 on: January 18, 2018, 08:23:21 am »

Burks would be lethal in this offense.  I hope he comes to Arkansas and wins a couple Biletnikoff Awards and is instrumental in getting the program back on track.  We've lost a few good players out of state in recent years, but I think losing him would be the toughest of all.  RBs like Dyer and Tenpenny(RIP) are easy to find.  KJ Hill and Josh Frazier were good ballplayers, but Treylon is a freak athlete on a whole other level.  He is a game changer and we need to have the full court press on him.  He has to be a Hog.
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« Reply #174 on: January 18, 2018, 08:26:47 am »

He was a great track athlete. I'm not denying that, but we are talking football.
1700 yards rushing. 7 yards a carry. 29 TDs. That's pedestrian. All while getting about 17 carries a game.

That's because the offense was never centered entirely around him! Shabazz gets a lot of the hype for 1990 Championship team (rightly so) but he was far from being the only player that PB had. Hard to compare teams and players from different era's but in the 1980's and 1990's good defense wasn't to hold a team to 3-4 Td's like to today. Shabazz did this against the largest schools in the state at the time. So while the stats aren't eye popping any coach in country could see that had nothing to do with lack of ability. All the top football programs in south/nation visited him and wanted him.
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« Reply #175 on: January 18, 2018, 08:32:55 am »

Burks would be lethal in this offense.  I hope he comes to Arkansas and wins a couple Biletnikoff Awards and is instrumental in getting the program back on track.  We've lost a few good players out of state in recent years, but I think losing him would be the toughest of all.  RBs like Dyer and Tenpenny(RIP) are easy to find.  KJ Hill and Josh Frazier were good ballplayers, but Treylon is a freak athlete on a whole other level.  He is a game changer and we need to have the full court press on him.  He has to be a Hog.
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« Reply #176 on: January 18, 2018, 08:37:01 am »

Burks is amazing because of his size. Arkansas just doesn't produce athletes with his size, speed and quickness. In my opinion that's what separates him from the other great players from Warren.

Wait til he gets ina college weight room
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« Reply #177 on: January 18, 2018, 08:44:17 am »

That's because the offense was never centered entirely around him! Shabazz gets a lot of the hype for 1990 Championship team (rightly so) but he was far from being the only player that PB had. Hard to compare teams and players from different era's but in the 1980's and 1990's good defense wasn't to hold a team to 3-4 Td's like to today. Shabazz did this against the largest schools in the state at the time. So while the stats aren't eye popping any coach in country could see that had nothing to do with lack of ability. All the top football programs in south/nation visited him and wanted him.

And he was recruited as a DB. He made USA Today All-American team as a DB.

The question is at runningback correct? We've had better in the state.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #178 on: January 18, 2018, 08:48:20 am »

Chad Morris and offensive staff will be in Warren tonight.
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« Reply #179 on: January 18, 2018, 08:58:01 am »

And he was recruited as a DB. He made USA Today All-American team as a DB.

The question is at runningback correct? We've had better in the state.


What are you talking about?


Shabazz was the most explosive player with the ball in his hands ever in Arkansas.  Starting RB from his 10th grade year on.
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« Reply #180 on: January 18, 2018, 09:00:41 am »


What are you talking about?


Shabazz was the most explosive player with the ball in his hands ever in Arkansas.  Starting RB from his 10th grade year on.
he was a starting safety and part time running back, actually.

But, yes, best Ive ever seen. Burks and McFadden are the other two who are in his league. Both of which were/are bad ass safeties in their own right.
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« Reply #181 on: January 18, 2018, 09:03:19 am »

Burks season this year was incredible although they fell short in the championship game. His title game performance was absolutely nuts.
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« Reply #182 on: January 18, 2018, 09:08:24 am »

Chad Morris and offensive staff will be in Warren tonight.

Lunney, Craddock, and Stepp will be there.
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« Reply #183 on: January 18, 2018, 09:14:20 am »

He was a great track athlete. I'm not denying that, but we are talking football.
1700 yards rushing. 7 yards a carry. 29 TDs. That's pedestrian. All while getting about 17 carries a game.


Wishbone offense.  Played some both ways.

If heíd dotted the I full time the stats woulda been better but no reason for that
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« Reply #184 on: January 18, 2018, 09:28:50 am »


What are you talking about?


Shabazz was the most explosive player with the ball in his hands ever in Arkansas.  Starting RB from his 10th grade year on.

7 yards a carry.
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« Reply #185 on: January 18, 2018, 09:35:51 am »

Shabazz is legend you can't unseat a legend if even Burks maybe better.

There are a hand full of guys that fit this bill honestly.

Almost all are One word names to.

Madre, Shabazz, Burks, McFadden etc.

I always felt like Burks was an offensive guy like the others mentioned but IMHO Burks difference after seeing him play against my badgers was his skill as a defender and special teams player. Truly a sight to be hold watching that kid play.

Derek Russell is such a great guy btw i am glad he got a mention my room mate in college was best friends with Derek i met him and hung out with him often.
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« Reply #186 on: January 18, 2018, 09:37:03 am »

7 yards a carry.


Thatís a mile in Gloverís offense
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Re: Burks
« Reply #187 on: January 18, 2018, 09:39:50 am »

most impressive Burks stat... He scored a TD about every 4 touches his junior season.
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« Reply #188 on: January 18, 2018, 09:40:12 am »

Heíd also go Barry Sanders and lose yardage some plays
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« Reply #189 on: January 18, 2018, 09:43:55 am »

Heíd also go Barry Sanders and lose yardage some plays

i still loved Barry like no other player.  Still my all time favorite RB in the pro's pure excitement every time he touched it.
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Re: Burks
« Reply #190 on: January 18, 2018, 09:44:14 am »

Still think this was his most impressive play of state title game.. if he doesnít make this play... itís a punt returned for a TD... he manhandles those two blockers and destroys the ball carrier. https://twitter.com/86joeski/status/939578778363326464
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« Reply #191 on: January 18, 2018, 10:05:25 am »

Still think this was his most impressive play of state title game.. if he doesnít make this play... itís a punt returned for a TD... he manhandles those two blockers and destroys the ball carrier. https://twitter.com/86joeski/status/939578778363326464

this is what i am talking about.  Usually kids this skilled are protected or only play on one side of the ball i remember thinking this when is saw a few clips of Dmac how he could have been this dominant in all phases but he wasn't "over used" Madre only played RB etc.

I wonder if Burks will wear 13 for the Hogs? i can't wait to cheer for him =)

i still think Stunna and AP85 should get Burks to graduate early and enroll now come on guys make it happen !
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« Reply #192 on: January 18, 2018, 10:08:51 am »

this is what i am talking about.  Usually kids this skilled are protected or only play on one side of the ball i remember thinking this when is saw a few clips of Dmac how he could have been this dominant in all phases but he wasn't "over used" Madre only played RB etc.

I wonder if Burks will wear 13 for the Hogs? i can't wait to cheer for him =)

i still think Stunna and AP85 should get Burks to graduate early and enroll now come on guys make it happen !

its crazy but hes been ready to play D1 football for a while now.
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« Reply #193 on: January 18, 2018, 10:09:19 am »

this is what i am talking about.  Usually kids this skilled are protected or only play on one side of the ball i remember thinking this when is saw a few clips of Dmac how he could have been this dominant in all phases but he wasn't "over used" Madre only played RB etc.

I wonder if Burks will wear 13 for the Hogs? i can't wait to cheer for him =)

i still think Stunna and AP85 should get Burks to graduate early and enroll now come on guys make it happen !
  Hes got a state title to win next year also..lol
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« Reply #194 on: January 18, 2018, 10:14:02 am »

  Hes got a state title to win next year also..lol


naw Warren will be fine without him take one for the team !=)
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« Reply #195 on: January 18, 2018, 10:16:28 am »


naw Warren will be fine without him take one for the team !=)

lets just hope hes a hog.. I think we have a 50% chance
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« Reply #196 on: January 18, 2018, 10:17:44 am »

lets just hope hes a hog.. I think we have a 50% chance

that is a low number you gotta get that number up some. and agreed.

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« Reply #197 on: January 18, 2018, 10:21:57 am »

that is a low number you gotta get that number up some. and agreed.



I think it will be arkansas or LSU... saw on FB the other day where his mother said she loves LSU.
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« Reply #198 on: January 18, 2018, 10:24:51 am »

I think it will be arkansas or LSU... saw on FB the other day where his mother said she loves LSU.

Hopefully Morris will come out guns blazing and really impress this season.  in someways Burks having another year could be good for our chances.  Give him a look at our future. (a future he needs to be in).  those corndogs are crazy down there !you don't wanna go down there =)
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Re: Burks
« Reply #199 on: January 18, 2018, 10:26:25 am »

Hopefully Morris will come out guns blazing and really impress this season.  in someways Burks having another year could be good for our chances.  Give him a look at our future. (a future he needs to be in).  those corndogs are crazy down there !you don't wanna go down there =)

Our biggest recruiters need to be Wright, Childs, and Gragg... and Morris needs to show Burks what Courtland Sutton did in his offense and show him the money he is about to make playing this game!
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