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Wildhog

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #250 on: January 10, 2018, 12:01:19 pm »

The DBs were the best coached and recruited unit in the defense the last two years. Pulley's injury prevented that secondary from being a very special unit. And they did it all with basically no pressure on the QB.

Agreed.  Watching our DL get pushed around by Coastal Carolina was an eye-opener.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #251 on: January 10, 2018, 12:01:53 pm »

Interesting that “objectivity” can ONLY be seen as a negative outlook on your part.

Here are some other words you could use:
It is “realistic” that there is a plan that could work here. Get the horses and let the masterminds work.
It is “reasonable” to let them show a product before judgment is cast on them.

It is reasonable to question why a guy that wasn’t a good enough coach at SMU to be on the defensive staff for a horrible defensive. But is a good enough to now be a co-position coach in the SEC.

I assume the answer is recruiting. But it reasonable to ask
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #252 on: January 10, 2018, 12:05:16 pm »

Agreed.  Watching our DL get pushed around by Coastal Carolina was an eye-opener.

So, is that coaching, talent, or scheme?
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Wildhog

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #253 on: January 10, 2018, 12:06:53 pm »

So, is that coaching, talent, or scheme?

I'm sure it's a combination of all three.  Although we had vastly more talent than Coastal Carolina, obviously.

They were starting four freshman on their OL, too.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #254 on: January 10, 2018, 12:07:41 pm »

So, is that coaching, talent, or scheme?
Or strength and conditioning?
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311Hog

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #255 on: January 10, 2018, 12:08:09 pm »

I'm sure it's a combination of all three.  Although we had vastly more talent than Coastal Carolina, obviously.

They were starting four freshman on their OL, too.

that game was just awful to watch on all levels lol.  I am expecting big things from Agim he has shown flashes.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #256 on: January 10, 2018, 12:10:22 pm »

that game was just awful to watch on all levels lol.  I am expecting big things from Agim he has shown flashes.

He's an elite talent.  Just a need a coach that can maximize his potential.  I trust Caldwell.  John Scott, not so much.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #257 on: January 10, 2018, 12:19:38 pm »

It is reasonable to question why a guy that wasn’t a good enough coach at SMU to be on the defensive staff for a horrible defensive. But is a good enough to now be a co-position coach in the SEC.

I assume the answer is recruiting. But it reasonable to ask

You are correct. It is reasonable to ask. I do NOT see it as reasonable to call it an outright terrible hire already. I’m also reasonable enough to say that it COULD be a bad hire. But I’ll at leash let the results come before I cast stones as I can see the plan that’s been put into place.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #258 on: January 10, 2018, 12:32:49 pm »

lol, because people say so?  If he was a recruiter, there would be tangible results to point to.  But there aren't.

I mean we don't know that Morris is a great recruiter either, but his Texas connections and background at Clemson is enough to indicate he should be able to be a good one. Smith being involved with Texas High School Football Associations is a good connection to have if we're going to be recruiting the state a lot.
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Hog Pharm

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #259 on: January 10, 2018, 12:34:57 pm »

I wouldn’t say Petrino had an all star staff but he did pretty well. I’d definitely say this staff is a lot better than any of his. Biggest thing is going to be can they recruit? They seem to at least be putting a big emphasis on it.
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Hog Pharm

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #260 on: January 10, 2018, 12:35:19 pm »

Everyone likes to talk we need to hire recruiters. Hiring co-DL and DB coaches seems to be trying to get as many recruiters as possible.
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Hogindasticks

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #261 on: January 10, 2018, 12:35:50 pm »

that game was just awful to watch on all levels lol.  I am expecting big things from Agim he has shown flashes.

It could be that....or the other guys on the line are just that bad?  LOL
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #262 on: January 10, 2018, 12:37:04 pm »



The proof is in the pudding......when they show out a little bit this year, it will the majority of recruits our way this year....i see big things coming.
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HawgTide

Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #263 on: January 10, 2018, 12:47:53 pm »

Ah, yes.  Personal attacks.   I grew quite familiar with them while telling everyone why Bielema wouldn't work out.

The majority of this board is totally incapable of objectivity.


You bring some good stuff but I wouldn't say you are objective. I mean it's not like you are going to come back in the next couple of years and admit you were wrong. Vent away
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #264 on: January 10, 2018, 01:01:16 pm »

I was a little surprised John Scott was retained.  He didn’t have much help from the scheme last year and how the staff put weight on some players.  IMO Sosa is playing a little too heavy.  If they took some weight off of him and left him at DE I think it would help.  Scott seems to be a good recruiter.  In his first year he got Fulwider.  Mincey committed because of him and was the lead recruiter for Goodwin.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #265 on: January 10, 2018, 01:21:57 pm »

Our DB's improved drastically under Rhodes.

Improved yes. We’re we good there no. We had a + 1 turnover ratio which is terrible we had 8 Interceptins that’s good for about 95th was n the country
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #266 on: January 10, 2018, 01:34:04 pm »

I think Scott will get better as a coach working with Caldwell.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #267 on: January 10, 2018, 01:37:53 pm »

I was a little surprised John Scott was retained.  He didn’t have much help from the scheme last year and how the staff put weight on some players.  IMO Sosa is playing a little too heavy.  If they took some weight off of him and left him at DE I think it would help.  Scott seems to be a good recruiter.  In his first year he got Fulwider.  Mincey committed because of him and was the lead recruiter for Goodwin.

His Georgia and Southeast recruiting ties is why he stayed. While Texas and Arkansas should be out main focus, we need to get a couple kids from Georgia a year as well. Same with Louisiana (maybe up to 4 from there).
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #268 on: January 10, 2018, 01:38:02 pm »

The only surprise to me was Mark Smith. While his on field resume, like Scott's, is on the thin side, remember people: with the 10th coach just coming in this year, there will be a lot of young coaches with thin resumes; analysts and the like in that 10th spot all over CFB.

Scott was the lead recruiter for Fulwider and Mincey and gets us into Georgia and the Carolinas. Naysayers bring up the T. Tech fiasco, but right after that game the DC was fired for substance abuse. A couple of his linemen wound up in the NFL.

Our D line didn't exactly dominate anyone last season, but we don't know how much of that was on the DC and mainly the HC. We had several different DL coaches, the results were pretty much the same with all of them after Flowers and Philon left. Segrest had been the DL coach in the NFL with the Eagles under Andy Reid, so he had a good resume and still didn't get results.

IMO, we were sold a bill of goods by Bert with the move to the 3-4 and changes in position coaches and DCs. He would always tell us we would go to a more aggressive style with each change, then we would see the same no pass rush with 4, no blitz- bend and still break crap.

It was like Nutt with offensive changes. Hooty would bring in an Alex Wood or the guy from E. Ill. or Gus and tell us we would throw more, be more aggressive etc and "this time I really mean it" in so many words, and we would continue to see more of the same. He could not keep his hands off the offense and Bert was the same with the D.

I'm assuming Skipper decided to take another job, maybe a couple of others did the same. Price is an Aggie through and through, I never thought he was coming here. Skipper was not all that highly thought of at UF, at least as a coach I mean. The guy has bounced around between RBs and LBs at a lot of different places.

The two coaches in question hired here have something to prove, but we don't know that this is not an SEC level staff. With Chavis, Caldwell and Cooper we will have more SEC experience combined than most in the league. Having one with little to no college experience on the field is no big deal with the 10 position added.

Scott has a few years on the field with less than overwhelming results on the surface, but I think the guy is going to be one of our best recruiters. If we keep Mincey and add another stud or two in Feb along with Ferrell and Fulwider, his hiring  will have been justified. It may just be that Agim is the only current player on that line who is above average although Guidry was coming on late in the year.

Next season is a transition year, if they can't do the job or make up for it in recruiting, I'm sure it will be addressed.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #269 on: January 10, 2018, 02:47:14 pm »

The only surprise to me was Mark Smith. While his on field resume, like Scott's, is on the thin side, remember people: with the 10th coach just coming in this year, there will be a lot of young coaches with thin resumes; analysts and the like in that 10th spot all over CFB.

Scott was the lead recruiter for Fulwider and Mincey and gets us into Georgia and the Carolinas. Naysayers bring up the T. Tech fiasco, but right after that game the DC was fired for substance abuse. A couple of his linemen wound up in the NFL.

Our D line didn't exactly dominate anyone last season, but we don't know how much of that was on the DC and mainly the HC. We had several different DL coaches, the results were pretty much the same with all of them after Flowers and Philon left. Segrest had been the DL coach in the NFL with the Eagles under Andy Reid, so he had a good resume and still didn't get results.

IMO, we were sold a bill of goods by Bert with the move to the 3-4 and changes in position coaches and DCs. He would always tell us we would go to a more aggressive style with each change, then we would see the same no pass rush with 4, no blitz- bend and still break crap.

It was like Nutt with offensive changes. Hooty would bring in an Alex Wood or the guy from E. Ill. or Gus and tell us we would throw more, be more aggressive etc and "this time I really mean it" in so many words, and we would continue to see more of the same. He could not keep his hands off the offense and Bert was the same with the D.

I'm assuming Skipper decided to take another job, maybe a couple of others did the same. Price is an Aggie through and through, I never thought he was coming here. Skipper was not all that highly thought of at UF, at least as a coach I mean. The guy has bounced around between RBs and LBs at a lot of different places.

The two coaches in question hired here have something to prove, but we don't know that this is not an SEC level staff. With Chavis, Caldwell and Cooper we will have more SEC experience combined than most in the league. Having one with little to no college experience on the field is no big deal with the 10 position added.

Scott has a few years on the field with less than overwhelming results on the surface, but I think the guy is going to be one of our best recruiters. If we keep Mincey and add another stud or two in Feb along with Ferrell and Fulwider, his hiring  will have been justified. It may just be that Agim is the only current player on that line who is above average although Guidry was coming on late in the year.

Next season is a transition year, if they can't do the job or make up for it in recruiting, I'm sure it will be addressed.

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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #270 on: January 10, 2018, 03:00:02 pm »

Segrest finally got a job today DL @ La. LaFayette.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #272 on: January 10, 2018, 05:01:24 pm »

those dudes look the part
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #273 on: January 10, 2018, 06:08:41 pm »

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/strength-and-conditioning-staff-announced/

This graphics team is on point.  They gave each of these guys their own look. 
In order you've got
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2.  The broham.
3.  The cool dude.
4.  The guy with a boat.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #274 on: January 10, 2018, 11:53:56 pm »

The main thing I think is important is great chemistry and collaboration among the coach.  I think we have enough proven coaches on the defensive side of the ball that it is key having the right guys to complete that and fit the philosophy.  I think they will be fine coaching too, but we need the recruits.  Then with the grad assistants and analysts, I think there will be plenty of areas covered. 
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #275 on: January 11, 2018, 04:09:27 pm »

Curious as to when they'll release Salary Figures...
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #276 on: January 11, 2018, 05:08:46 pm »

Curious as to when they'll release Salary Figures...

There waiting on hogville too cool down and quit gripping about the hires . Then they will release the contract info so we can bitch about something else. .
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #277 on: January 11, 2018, 09:55:16 pm »

Curious as to when they'll release Salary Figures...
They are waiting on Pig in the Pokey, Duckman, and Hawg Life to get free for a conference call with prj. 

They will inform us immediately after.
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Re: Rest of the staff?
« Reply #278 on: January 11, 2018, 10:11:00 pm »

They are waiting on Pig in the Pokey, Duckman, and Hawg Life to get free for a conference call with prj. 

They will inform us immediately after.

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