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HogsBalls

Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« on: January 08, 2018, 08:19:26 pm »

Was it not getting along with Chaney and Pittman? The play calling for Georgia looks dang good tonight and we all know what Pittman can do in recruiting and developing.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 08:20:11 pm »

Was it not getting along with Chaney and Pittman? The play calling for Georgia looks dang good tonight and we all know what Pittman can do in recruiting and developing.

Crazy those two was on our staff a couple of years ago and now winning in the NCG.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 08:20:38 pm »

Absolutely.
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colbs

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 08:23:10 pm »

I’m not crazy about Chaney.  The offense wasn’t great when he was here.  Losing Pittman was huge though.
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PorkSoda

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 08:24:03 pm »

top 10 talent will make most offenses look good.
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IronHog

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 08:24:19 pm »

Firing Chaney was just one of many blunders
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 08:25:04 pm »


there wasn't just 'one' thing.  his entire everything was a downfall.
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PorkSoda

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 08:25:39 pm »

Firing Chaney was just one of many blunders
do I need to search through your post history to find you claiming otherwise?

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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 08:25:56 pm »

Enos>Chaney
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 08:26:33 pm »

Losing Pittman was a huge blow to the team. However, Chaney was not. Chaney wasn't able to build an offense around our players while Enos was. He had some talented offenses at Tenner so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he is doing well at UGA, but losing Chaney was good for the Hogs. Just that losing Pittman was not.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 08:28:15 pm »

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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 08:32:04 pm »

Was it not getting along with Chaney and Pittman? The play calling for Georgia looks dang good tonight and we all know what Pittman can do in recruiting and developing.

I'm not taking up for Bielema here, but Chaney and Pittman have top 10 recruiting classes to work with at Georgia. Really good talent helps make a coach look more talented and like a genius.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 08:33:41 pm »

I think it’s clear now that bielema’s issues retaining assistants were his own fault. I believed him when he said he never had enough money at Wisconsin but that was not the case here
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 08:35:53 pm »

There are several things that contributed to CBB’s downfall....
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 08:36:19 pm »

disagree

Enos offenses here, even the 2 sans Pittman were objectively better than the offenses than Chaney yielded here.

If our qb play in 2014 was as bad as it was in 2017, then we probably win the Bama and MSU games that year with the improved play.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 08:36:23 pm »

I don't think Chaney had called a very good game tonight .. and I thought the fist half was terrible against OU .. but loosing pitman was the nail in the coffin
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grayhawg

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 08:38:27 pm »

disagree
Enos was Smart's first choice for OC.
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netteltonhog

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 08:39:39 pm »

He didn’t win games....
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HogPharmer

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2018, 08:40:33 pm »

Are we still talking about this CBB?
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2018, 08:43:26 pm »

Are we still talking about this CBB?

How about FCBB?
(Former Coach Bret Bielema)
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2018, 08:44:56 pm »

Firing Chaney was just one of many blunders

Chaney was unable to adapt to what CBB wanted and to the talent we had on campus.  And CBB was unable to adapt to what Chaney could do. It was a poor match.
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HoggyCat

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2018, 08:56:33 pm »

Was it not getting along with Chaney and Pittman? The play calling for Georgia looks dang good tonight and we all know what Pittman can do in recruiting and developing.

No..... it was not having Alvarez to hold his hand all week. Alvarez said as much behind the podium at the NWA TD Club.
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IronHog

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2018, 08:57:24 pm »



Chaney had everything setup and that goober BB fired him and brought in a coach that fit zero of what he wanted to do


Lazy, knee jerk move by B.B.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2018, 09:01:28 pm »

there wasn't just 'one' thing.  his entire everything was a downfall.

yes.

you really can't evaluate an assistant under cbb. there's no baseline.
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IronHog

Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 09:02:32 pm »

Enos offenses here, even the 2 sans Pittman were objectively better than the offenses than Chaney yielded here.

If our qb play in 2014 was as bad as it was in 2017, then we probably win the Bama and MSU games that year with the improved play.


Lost those two games feeding B.B. favorite RB in crunch time
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 09:05:35 pm »

When draw right gets you 20+ on 3rd and 20 is it really a good OC? 
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2018, 09:20:17 pm »

I think it’s clear now that bielema’s issues retaining assistants were his own fault. I believed him when he said he never had enough money at Wisconsin but that was not the case here
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2018, 09:34:06 pm »

His downfall was that he couldn't develop a defense!
His O was somewhat successful every year.
HIS DEFENSE WAS JUST BAD
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2018, 09:39:34 pm »

I'm not taking up for Bielema here, but Chaney and Pittman have top 10 recruiting classes to work with at Georgia. Really good talent helps make a coach look more talented and like a genius.
That will be underscored when Chavis takes over our D.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2018, 09:40:48 pm »

Chaney had everything setup and that goober BB fired him and brought in a coach that fit zero of what he wanted to do

Hogville - at the time Chaney was here - hated him. Constant comments about his weight and how poor of a play caller he was.  And rightly so (on the play calling aspect).  Chaney was average to decent at Tennessee and not so good here. 

Chaney was not a fit here and would have never done well here. I don't know if Chaney is a good OC or not.  He probably is. But I know he was not good here.

Just don't act like you've known all along that Chaney was somehow set to blow up as an OC here until he got fired.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2018, 09:47:43 pm »

Rumor was that Bielema  liked to run interference with play calling.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2018, 10:06:25 pm »

Keep in mind that Chaney is only there because Enos had an SEC clause.  Pittman cant really be faulted, UGA is a better gig.  Its tough to be an Arkansas fan...
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2018, 10:06:52 pm »

Remember King Midas and the golden touch?  Apparently, Bielema has a similar ailment because everything he touches turns to dung.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2018, 10:19:54 pm »

I’m not crazy about Chaney.  The offense wasn’t great when he was here.  Losing Pittman was huge though.

Chaney would call a great play and follow it up with one that was horrible.  I don't see that in tonight's game.

Enos started out hot and ended terrible in his years at Arkansas.  It makes me wonder if Bielema was interfering with both?
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2018, 10:22:11 pm »

cbb cannot get along with assistants that has been proven
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2018, 11:22:51 pm »

I could bot help but think how BB wouldn't pull Brandon or Austin when they was playing poorly.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2018, 11:25:47 pm »

Enos>Chaney
OC for dummies book + Sam Pittman > Enos + Kurt "Brolema" Anderson

Enos was a good OC, but the wretched OL doomed CBB.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2018, 12:11:58 am »

If he fell off the upper deck, that would be his greatest downfall.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2018, 12:41:49 am »

Hogville - at the time Chaney was here - hated him. Constant comments about his weight and how poor of a play caller he was.  And rightly so (on the play calling aspect).  Chaney was average to decent at Tennessee and not so good here. 

Chaney was not a fit here and would have never done well here. I don't know if Chaney is a good OC or not.  He probably is. But I know he was not good here.

Just don't act like you've known all along that Chaney was somehow set to blow up as an OC here until he got fired.




I criticized the firing when it happened.  The offense was coming around big time
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2018, 07:36:27 am »

Enos>Chaney

I agree however Coach Pittman leaving was hard to overcome.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2018, 07:38:40 am »

I agree however Coach Pittman leaving was hard to overcome.

He replaced a Cardiologist with an orderly.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2018, 07:43:41 am »

Firing Chaney was just one of many blunders

I have never read anywhere where it said he got fired................
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2018, 07:50:56 am »

Chaney would call a great play and follow it up with one that was horrible.  I don't see that in tonight's game.


ANY play that is successful is a good play. Any that is not successful is a bad play. Even coaches will tell you play calling is overrated sometimes. NO coach calls a play thinking it will not be successful. No matter what play is called the players have to execute it. Sometimes thought the defensive play call and player execution is better despite whatever call is made for the offense.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2018, 08:04:26 am »

CBB's biggest downfall was not going after a world class DC. We generally fielded a good an sometimes outstanding offence
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2018, 08:05:11 am »

CBB's biggest downfall was not going after a world class DC. We generally fielded a good an sometimes outstanding offence


What games do you people watch?
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2018, 08:19:16 am »

Was it not getting along with Chaney and Pittman? The play calling for Georgia looks dang good tonight and we all know what Pittman can do in recruiting and developing.
He sucked as a head coach? He wouldn’t allow his Oc to run the offense? He wouldn’t allow the dc to call the defense?
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2018, 08:25:15 am »

If he fell off the upper deck, that would be his greatest downfall.
This^^^.  It was never going to work.  Maybe he finds a place where he can be successful, I hope so.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2018, 08:25:32 am »


What games do you people watch?

Not Arkansas football games.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2018, 08:27:27 am »


What games do you people watch?

Look at all the NFL talent from the '14-'15 offense.  Henry, Morgan, Hatcher, Sprinkle, Kirkland, Ragnow, Tretola, Skipper, Allen, J Williams, Alex Collins... 11! NFL guys on offense.
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Re: Bielema's Biggest downfall...
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2018, 08:41:59 am »

I’m not crazy about Chaney.  The offense wasn’t great when he was here.  Losing Pittman was huge though.

And they are a package deal.
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