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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2018, 08:45:52 am »

Speaking of Auburn and the title game, how do you think they feel, knowing that they beat Alabama and Georgia, but lost to UCF?


Typical wanted to be somewhere else Bowl performance


Auburn got ate up by the SEC grind.  Bama got a do over.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2018, 08:50:31 am »

Yep. They created playoff after Bama LSU CG

Wally Hall sends out some really stupid tweets at times, but one he sent out last night that was funny was referencing just this.  He went on to jokingly suggest that, with Bama and Georgia in the finals, we will now see an eight team playoff sooner than we otherwise would have.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2018, 08:52:03 am »

Speaking of Auburn and the title game, how do you think they feel, knowing that they beat Alabama and Georgia, but lost to UCF?


 I'm sure they are burning Gus in effigy. I laughed out loud when UCF won.

How do you think UCF feels, beating the team that beat both teams in the championship game?

Go Hogs!

They should feel pretty good about themselves
With them being undefeated, I have no problem with them claiming a national championship. They have a valid argument. Which is the problem with the 4 team playoff. It should be big enough to include all the teams that would have a genuine argument to be in the BCS national championship game. There will always be arguments about who should or should not have made the playoffs, and those arguments don't matter. What matters isn't having a claim at being a bubble team that should have gotten in over another bubble team, it's about whether you have a claim at playing for the national championship or not.

I doubt UCF would be undeafted if they were playing a P5 schedule, especially the SEC.

The overall record of all the teams they played was 74-72. They had the Memphis game cancelled, and it was the 2nd game of the season. Odds are they would have lost it. The GT and Maine games were cancelled too. Maine they prolly win. GT was down at 5-6 but it was an early game too, so who knows?

7 of the teams they played had a .500 or less record. Austin Peay had a winning record at 8-4 but they are an FCS team.

UCF had an easy schedule and a month to prepare for Aubie,  but they can hardly claim to be Natty material.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2018, 08:55:04 am »

Hog fans bragging about an SEC team winning the national title is like Jets fans bragging about the Patriots winning the Super Bowl.
This is an excellent analogy. Itís pretty embarrassing...the chest thumping like the OP in light of the season we had. But, also to be expected.

What I would say to the OP is it may very well rub certain factions of the college football world the wrong way...having a SEC vs SEC title game. Another thing it will do (in my opinion) is make for a bad PR/lowly rated national championship title game. This matchup wonít create much buzz on a national scale.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2018, 09:01:05 am »

Bama and itís do overs is bad for college football

The committee should have put a different team in the playoff
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2018, 09:06:31 am »

Bama and itís do overs is bad for college football

The committee should have put a different team in the playoff

So, Ohio St should have gotten a do over after getting rolled by a average, at best, Iowa? OR Maybe Miami should have gotten a do over after losing to PITTSBURGH and Clemson? Maybe Wisc after losing to Ohio St?
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2018, 09:11:04 am »

Bama and itís do overs is bad for college football

The committee should have put a different team in the playoff

From the results, maybe they should have put someone other than Clemson in the 4 team play off as well? Come on man.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2018, 09:13:32 am »

To the OP - of course it does. Just as Bama/LSU hastened the end of the BCS, this will bring about changes to the playoff. Most likely a renewed effort to force the issue that conf champs must be given preference over non-conf champs. I do not know how the playoff is set up, if the committee can implement a "rule" about conf champs or not, but if they can I expect we will see it done.

I wanted an all SEC title game, not because Arkansas is in the SEC, but because of the crying and whining it would cause, and to see if the goal is to actually have the best 4 teams, or to have the best 4 teams that fir a certain criteria. With an all SEC title game we will see if the committee knee jerks into some stupid rule that will at some pt result in a 4 loss conf champ getting in just because we don't want a 1 loss non-conf champ getting in anymore.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2018, 09:14:50 am »

From the results, maybe they should have put someone other than Clemson in the 4 team play off as well? Come on man.

Bama was a bad matchup for Clemson this year because their offense was based on running the ball and Bama is built to stop that. Clemson, imo, would have fared much better against OU.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2018, 09:15:45 am »

A Natty cures all losses  though!
for the team that wins it does, for the others, not so much. It just highlights that even with two team in the national title game the conference will still finish with a losing bowl record.

As for being pissed, I for one am not pissed that two teams from the same conference are in the title game. Do I wish it was my conference, sure, but tip of the hat to the teams that survived and advanced. They are both good teams that won their games.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2018, 09:17:24 am »

This is an excellent analogy. Itís pretty embarrassing...the chest thumping like the OP in light of the season we had. But, also to be expected.

What I would say to the OP is it may very well rub certain factions of the college football world the wrong way...having a SEC vs SEC title game. Another thing it will do (in my opinion) is make for a bad PR/lowly rated national championship title game. This matchup wonít create much buzz on a national scale.

SEC is 11-9 in Natty games since the BCS/CFP  era began.  16 of the winners were southern teams if you count OU as southern (they recruit Texas a lot).

Of the 9 non SEC teams 4 were ACC, 2 were Big 12, 2 Big 10 and 1 PAC 10.
The SEC has won 9 of the last 12, including 7 in a row.

I'm counting the upcoming game since we know a SEC team will win.

Yeah, the SEC has something to brag about.

How many times has an incoming recruit said that they signed with Arkansas because they were a SEC team? Many times.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2018, 09:24:38 am »

To the OP - of course it does. Just as Bama/LSU hastened the end of the BCS, this will bring about changes to the playoff. Most likely a renewed effort to force the issue that conf champs must be given preference over non-conf champs. I do not know how the playoff is set up, if the committee can implement a "rule" about conf champs or not, but if they can I expect we will see it done.

I wanted an all SEC title game, not because Arkansas is in the SEC, but because of the crying and whining it would cause, and to see if the goal is to actually have the best 4 teams, or to have the best 4 teams that fir a certain criteria. With an all SEC title game we will see if the committee knee jerks into some stupid rule that will at some pt result in a 4 loss conf champ getting in just because we don't want a 1 loss non-conf champ getting in anymore.

One of the whining points this year: "Bama didn't even win their division.  Ohio St was B1G Champions."  Ohio State didn't win their division last season but made the playoffs.   ;D

The conference champion thing is dumb.  But this is spread the wealth America where we hate greatness and achievement so we'll tear it down to make it mediocre so as to try and appease the whiners.  "it's not fair" :'(

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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2018, 09:25:23 am »

To the OP - of course it does. Just as Bama/LSU hastened the end of the BCS, this will bring about changes to the playoff. Most likely a renewed effort to force the issue that conf champs must be given preference over non-conf champs. I do not know how the playoff is set up, if the committee can implement a "rule" about conf champs or not, but if they can I expect we will see it done.

I wanted an all SEC title game, not because Arkansas is in the SEC, but because of the crying and whining it would cause, and to see if the goal is to actually have the best 4 teams, or to have the best 4 teams that fir a certain criteria. With an all SEC title game we will see if the committee knee jerks into some stupid rule that will at some pt result in a4 loss conf champ getting in just because we don't want a 1 loss non-conf champ getting in anymore.
I don't think they will. I think they will view the title game as a success of their mission of getting the best teams in the playoff. Using 4 losses as an example is a bit of a stretch. The conversation will never come down to that. It came down to a 2 loss conference champion with a better resume than the 1 loss team that was put in. The message was to not lose a game you should win. 2 losses are more than 1. Bama had one. They deserved to be in as they showed by beating Clemson. The committee did their job.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2018, 09:33:15 am »

Wally Hall sends out some really stupid tweets at times, but one he sent out last night that was funny was referencing just this.  He went on to jokingly suggest that, with Bama and Georgia in the finals, we will now see an eight team playoff sooner than we otherwise would have.

Wally is right. UCF being undefeated and beating team that beat both teams in championship game will drive debate, as will Ohio Stateís big victory over USC coupled with Big 10 bowl record.

Four teams picked by a committee from a 130 team league is not a true playoff, it is an extension of the mythical NC. Unless you remove the subjective element from the selection process, I donít think you ever have a truly undisputed national champion.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2018, 09:33:29 am »

A Natty cures all losses  though!

Natty Light or Natty Ice?
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2018, 09:34:38 am »

I don't think they will. I think they will view the title game as a success of their mission of getting the best teams in the playoff. Using 4 losses as an example is a bit of a stretch. The conversation will never come down to that. It came down to a 2 loss conference champion with a better resume than the 1 loss team that was put in. The message was to not lose a game you should win. 2 losses are more than 1. Bama had one. They deserved to be in as they showed by beating Clemson. The committee did their job.

Why wouldn't it at some point come down to a 4 loss conf champ? All it takes is a rule that you must win your conf to be in the playoff and then a couple upsets in conf title games. The pac12 has sent teams to the pac12 title game with 6 losses before. I think the big10 has sent a team with 3 or 4 losses. Not sure on the acc.

No one thought with the 4 team playoff and a committee that you'd get a ncg with 2 team from the same league either, but it only took 4 years.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2018, 09:34:46 am »

Playoff should be between conference champions.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2018, 09:34:50 am »

Hog fans bragging about an SEC team winning the national title is like Jets fans bragging about the Patriots winning the Super Bowl.

You cannot compare NFL and NCAA football.  NFL teams have an even field.  They draft players instead of recruiting them.  They pay them.  The only times they go head to head in competing for players is free agency and that is a money deal.  The playoff matches are clearly defined based on division results and records (Wild Cards).  Of course no NFL fan base is going to brag on their division.  It's a non-factor at that level.  You're trying to compare NASCAR to the Kentucky Derby - true, both do involve racing.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2018, 09:36:35 am »

One of the whining points this year: "Bama didn't even win their division.  Ohio St was B1G Champions."  Ohio State didn't win their division last season but made the playoffs.   ;D

The conference champion thing is dumb.  But this is spread the wealth America where we hate greatness and achievement so we'll tear it down to make it mediocre so as to try and appease the whiners.  "it's not fair" :'(



Nailed it.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2018, 09:36:48 am »

SEC is 11-9 in Natty games since the BCS/CFP  era began.  16 of the winners were southern teams if you count OU as southern (they recruit Texas a lot).

Of the 9 non SEC teams 4 were ACC, 2 were Big 12, 2 Big 10 and 1 PAC 10.
The SEC has won 9 of the last 12, including 7 in a row.

I'm counting the upcoming game since we know a SEC team will win.

Yeah, the SEC has something to brag about.

How many times has an incoming recruit said that they signed with Arkansas because they were a SEC team? Many times.
7 in a row? You sure Clark?

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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2018, 09:36:54 am »

Wally is right. UCF being undefeated and beating team that beat both teams in championship game will drive debate, as will Ohio Stateís big victory over USC coupled with Big 10 bowl record.

Four teams picked by a committee from a 130 team league is not a true playoff, it is an extension of the mythical NC. Unless you remove the subjective element from the selection process, I donít think you ever have a truly undisputed national champion.

And that was pointed out when the playoff was started. Until there is a set way to play your team into the playoff there is no true playoff, and as long as fbs is 130 teams, there will be no way to play your way in. If they went to 8 teams, it would only be slightly better, at least then they could say all 5 p5 conf champs gets in, but then they still will be picking 3 teams out of 125 that are left.
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« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2018, 09:39:46 am »

And that was pointed out when the playoff was started. Until there is a set way to play your team into the playoff there is no true playoff, and as long as fbs is 130 teams, there will be no way to play your way in. If they went to 8 teams, it would only be slightly better, at least then they could say all 5 p5 conf champs gets in, but then they still will be picking 3 teams out of 125 that are left.

And the 4th team of those 125 will end up suing somebody or maybe everybody.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2018, 09:41:12 am »

One of the whining points this year: "Bama didn't even win their division.  Ohio St was B1G Champions."  Ohio State didn't win their division last season but made the playoffs.   ;D

The conference champion thing is dumb.  But this is spread the wealth America where we hate greatness and achievement so we'll tear it down to make it mediocre so as to try and appease the whiners.  "it's not fair" :'(



Which of the NFL division champs would you eliminate to get to a four team playoff?

Could Ohio State beat Alabama or Georgia if they played now?  Could UCF? 

The current system takes the championship off the field and into a committee room. Who decides greatness?

I didnít have a problem with polls and very much enjoyed this bowl season, but it is sanctimonious to paint anyone who doesnít see the obvious subjective element in the current system as a socialist.
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« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2018, 09:41:26 am »

Wally is right. UCF being undefeated and beating team that beat both teams in championship game will drive debate, as will Ohio Stateís big victory over USC coupled with Big 10 bowl record.

Four teams picked by a committee from a 130 team league is not a true playoff, it is an extension of the mythical NC. Unless you remove the subjective element from the selection process, I donít think you ever have a truly undisputed national champion.

To do that, have to break up the current conferences and realign into something like 8 16 team conferences or 16 8 team conferences.  Or 7 super conferences, have the rest be in what amounts to an FCS (what D1AA was supposed to be until they made it so easy for so many to move back up) and let the champion from the new 1AA/FCS represent them in the playoff.  Reduce regular season games by 1 or 2. 

Basically kill the best regular season in sports.  It will happen at some point. 
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« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2018, 09:43:54 am »

To do that, have to break up the current conferences and realign into something like 8 16 team conferences or 16 8 team conferences.  Or 7 super conferences, have the rest be in what amounts to an FCS (what D1AA was supposed to be until they made it so easy for so many to move back up) and let the champion from the new 1AA/FCS represent them in the playoff.  Reduce regular season games by 1 or 2. 

Basically kill the best regular season in sports.  It will happen at some point. 

Yeah. I agree with you, which is why I said I was okay with the old system. College football is best BECAUSE of the interest in every game. Nothing worse than a team that has been eliminated from the playoffs.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2018, 09:46:18 am »

Which of the NFL division champs would you eliminate to get to a four team playoff?

Could Ohio State beat Alabama or Georgia if they played now?  Could UCF? 

The current system takes the championship off the field and into a committee room. Who decides greatness?

I didnít have a problem with polls and very much enjoyed this bowl season, but it is sanctimonious to paint anyone who doesnít see the obvious subjective element in the current system as a socialist.

NFL isn't comparable.  See my last post.  The NFL has 8 4 team divisions, 16 games played and a computer which helps try and balance SOS as best as possible season to season.  They try and make it as even as possible for as many teams as possible.  Want that for college football?

UCF?  No.  Oh St maybe although I have my doubts about Braxton Miller against either of those defenses.  Oh St's defensive front though would give both problems.  55 points to Iowa settled this though. 

I was good with the old bowl system.  Could have lived with last night's Rose being the Sugar and Sugar being in the Orange and UGa getting the NC or splitting it with Bama.  The Cotton of OSU-USC would have been the Rose.  We just moved things around and added a game. 
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« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2018, 09:46:29 am »

And the 4th team of those 125 will end up suing somebody or maybe everybody.

Has any college team sued because they didnít make the playoff?
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« Reply #77 on: January 02, 2018, 09:50:36 am »

NFL isn't comparable.  See my last post.  The NFL has 8 4 team divisions, 16 games played and a computer which helps try and balance SOS as best as possible season to season.  They try and make it as even as possible for as many teams as possible.  Want that for college football?

UCF?  No.  Oh St maybe although I have my doubts about Braxton Miller against either of those defenses.  Oh St's defensive front though would give both problems.  55 points to Iowa settled this though. 

I was good with the old bowl system.  Could have lived with last night's Rose being the Sugar and Sugar being in the Orange and UGa getting the NC or splitting it with Bama.  The Rose would have been the Cotton.  We just moved things around and added a game. 

The NFL is exactly the same. The question is who decides greatness. You have decided that Ohio State and UCF arenít great. Which 4 NFL teans are great and who decides?  You?

The point is that the NFL has an objective playoff. The FBS doesnít, and it wonít unless it changes the format of its playoff. Until it does, beauty will be in the eyes of the beholder.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #78 on: January 02, 2018, 09:55:24 am »

The NFL is exactly the same. The question is who decides greatness. You have decided that Ohio State and UCF arenít great. Which 4 NFL teans are great and who decides?  You?

The point is that the NFL has an objective playoff. The FBS doesnít, and it wonít unless it changes the format of its playoff. Until it does, beauty will be in the eyes of the beholder.

How is 5 conferences with 14, 14, 14 12 and 10 and a bunch of lesser conferences equal an entity with 8 4 team divisions where record with tiebreakers determine who gets in?  Thought we settled this a few posts ago.  NCAA shouldn't change its playoff format till it addresses conference imbalances.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #79 on: January 02, 2018, 09:56:48 am »

To do that, have to break up the current conferences and realign into something like 8 16 team conferences or 16 8 team conferences.  Or 7 super conferences, have the rest be in what amounts to an FCS (what D1AA was supposed to be until they made it so easy for so many to move back up) and let the champion from the new 1AA/FCS represent them in the playoff.  Reduce regular season games by 1 or 2. 

Basically kill the best regular season in sports.  It will happen at some point. 

Yep, been saying for years that the only way ( and what we'd eventually get ) would be 4 16-20 team leagues, 2 divisions each, and the division winners would be the playoff teams. All the FBS wannabees would be relegated to fbs-1a or some such designation. And I'd be fine with that since about 70 fbs teams are playing make believe anyway.


Yeah. I agree with you, which is why I said I was okay with the old system. College football is best BECAUSE of the interest in every game. Nothing worse than a team that has been eliminated from the playoffs.


I too thought the old way was fine. Loved it toward the end of the season when there night be reps from 4 or 5 bowl games at a game between AR and Baylor or OU and Colorado. Bowls, other than the few that had conf tie ins, could invite whoever they wanted.  IF the liberty wanted a 4-7 Hog team because they would draw well, so be it. If no one wanted a 6-5 Rice or KY because they would not draw well, so what.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #80 on: January 02, 2018, 09:56:49 am »

Has any college team sued because they didnít make the playoff?

The pick three out of 125 has never been there.  It would happen though is my guess.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #81 on: January 02, 2018, 09:57:13 am »

Bama was a bad matchup for Clemson this year because their offense was based on running the ball and Bama is built to stop that. Clemson, imo, would have fared much better against OU.

Even if Clemson had been a good passing team one might have been able to say that Alabama was a bad match-up for them given that Alabama is #3 in the country in passing yards allowed. Now Alabama is also #1 in run defense so maybe we could just say that Alabama was a bad match up for Clemson in the 1st round because Alabama has a better defense than Clemson had offense? Clemson's rushing offense ranks #35. They were #29 before the game.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #82 on: January 02, 2018, 10:01:49 am »

Even if Clemson had been a good passing team one might have been able to say that Alabama was a bad match-up for them given that Alabama is #3 in the country in passing yards allowed. Now Alabama is also #1 in run defense so maybe we could just say that Alabama was a bad match up for Clemson in the 1st round because Alabama has a better defense than Clemson had offense? Clemson's rushing offense ranks #35. They were #29 before the game.

Well, in the grand scheme, Bama is bad matchup for anyone.

Clemson was a bit or a mirage, and no way were they the #1 team in the country, and I thought that before last night.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #83 on: January 02, 2018, 10:11:02 am »

NFL isn't comparable.   

I never said I want an NFL format for college football.  I was only addressing your gratuitous remark  that seems more appropriately made in the Politics forum:

"The conference champion thing is dumb.  But this is spread the wealth America where we hate greatness and achievement so we'll tear it down to make it mediocre so as to try and appease the whiners.  'it's not fair'"

So which of the four NFL division champions would you decide are worthy of greatness? 
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #84 on: January 02, 2018, 10:12:41 am »

Speaking of Auburn and the title game, how do you think they feel, knowing that they beat Alabama and Georgia, but lost to UCF?

How does Auburn feel knowing that since they tore up Malzahn's contract and gave him a new one they are 0-2?
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #85 on: January 02, 2018, 10:13:52 am »

No it makes them uninterested.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #86 on: January 02, 2018, 10:22:02 am »

No it makes them uninterested.
it will be interesting to see the TV ratings for this game. I agree with you that there won't be as much excitement around the country.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #87 on: January 02, 2018, 10:26:51 am »

7 in a row? You sure Clark?



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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #88 on: January 02, 2018, 10:42:56 am »

I had a back in forth in a 538 article with an obvious SEC heater about why UCF shouldn't have been in the playoff. It was pretty sad. Started with me saying "UCF's schedule didn't warrant top 4 discussion."

- "Well the SEC is too afraid to play anyone and just schedules DII teams" in which I listed out our P5 competition and our #2 SOS.
- "Well they don't want to play strong G5 teams like UCF because they know they'd lose!" To which I responded how when UCF went 12-1 three years ago their only loss was to an SEC team. And how SEC teams have also frequently scheduled Notre Dame, Boise State and BYU, the best G5 teams in recent memory.
- "Well an undefeated team should still be able to be in a playoff!" And if such is the case, teams will simply water down their schedule, which is exactly what you were trying to argue was wrong with the SEC.
- No response.

I do think it is funny that in the SEC's worst season in recent memory we still get both teams in the finals, and not just because the BCS put us there like in 2012.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #89 on: January 02, 2018, 10:43:39 am »

I never said I want an NFL format for college football.  I was only addressing your gratuitous remark  that seems more appropriately made in the Politics forum:

"The conference champion thing is dumb.  But this is spread the wealth America where we hate greatness and achievement so we'll tear it down to make it mediocre so as to try and appease the whiners.  'it's not fair'"

So which of the four NFL division champions would you decide are worthy of greatness?

Irrelevant since the NFL is a spread the wealth format and college football is not yet. 

But since you asked:

Eagles and Pats played two of the top 12 schedules.  Eagles missing their starting qb would be a knock on them but they won enough against good competition.

The Steelers were 2-2 against division champs beating the Vikings and Chiefs and losing 30-9 to Jax and lost to NE at home.  Tied with Vikings for 27th SOS.  We'll come back to them.

Jags tied with Titans for the 30th toughest schedule (no wonder both made playoffs).  Beat Steelers and lost to Rams.

Vikings another weak schedule team - 27th.  Beat Saints and Rams.  Lost to Steelers.

Rams middle of the road SOS.  Beat Jags and Saints.  Lost to Vikings and Eagles.

Saints another middle of the road SOS.  Lost to Vikings, Pats and Rams.  No.

Chiefs no. 

Eagles, Pats, Steelers, Rams:  Steelers beat Vikings and better record than Jax, Rams much better SOS than Vikings and beat Jags and Saints. 


4 of the 6 easiest schedules:  Steelers, Vikings, Titans and Jags.  Weakest AFC division in terms of SOS got two teams in current playoffs.  Strongest AFC and NFC divisions in terms of SOS each got only their division champ in.  This is what would end up happening in college football to an even bigger extent as they won't be able to even up the playing field as much as the NFL tries to do. 

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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2018, 10:44:26 am »

Like the double money, though. ;D
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2018, 10:47:44 am »

SEC is 11-9 in Natty games since the BCS/CFP  era began.  16 of the winners were southern teams if you count OU as southern (they recruit Texas a lot).

Of the 9 non SEC teams 4 were ACC, 2 were Big 12, 2 Big 10 and 1 PAC 10.
The SEC has won 9 of the last 12, including 7 in a row.

I'm counting the upcoming game since we know a SEC team will win.

Yeah, the SEC has something to brag about.

How many times has an incoming recruit said that they signed with Arkansas because they were a SEC team? Many times.

How many times has a recruit chosen Bama over Arkansas because they won a national championship?
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2018, 10:51:47 am »

I had a back in forth in a 538 article with an obvious SEC heater about why UCF shouldn't have been in the playoff. It was pretty sad. Started with me saying "UCF's schedule didn't warrant top 4 discussion."

- "Well the SEC is too afraid to play anyone and just schedules DII teams" in which I listed out our P5 competition and our #2 SOS.
- "Well they don't want to play strong G5 teams like UCF because they know they'd lose!" To which I responded how when UCF went 12-1 three years ago their only loss was to an SEC team. And how SEC teams have also frequently scheduled Notre Dame, Boise State and BYU, the best G5 teams in recent memory.
- "Well an undefeated team should still be able to be in a playoff!" And if such is the case, teams will simply water down their schedule, which is exactly what you were trying to argue was wrong with the SEC.
- No response.

I do think it is funny that in the SEC's worst season in recent memory we still get both teams in the finals, and not just because the BCS put us there like in 2012.
Not to take away what UCF accomplished this year...capping it off with a convincing win over Auburn was very impressive. But to make an argument they should be in the top 4 is so homeristic and unthinking itís ridiculous. They played Memphis...and thatís it. That was their one ďbigĒ game of the season..albeit playing them twice with the championship game.

The only possible argument I could see there is if continuing into next season they carry on with convincing domination MAYBE they could work their way into the conversation depending on where they start the year ranked. But with their schedule they play vs what programs like Bama, Georgia, OU, and Clemson play itís gonna be a tough argument to make.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2018, 10:57:55 am »

How many times has a recruit chosen Bama over Arkansas because they won a national championship?

Probably none, but there is no way to tell.  How many times has a recruit chosen Okie, Okie Lite, Texas. TAMU, or ND over Arkansas even though they haven't won a national championship?  Many times.  These schools are our recruiting competitors (with ND being a rare factor) not Bama or UGA.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2018, 10:58:18 am »

Not to take away what UCF accomplished this year...capping it off with a convincing win over Auburn was very impressive. But to make an argument they should be in the top 4 is so homeristic and unthinking it’s ridiculous. They played Memphis...and that’s it. That was their one “big” game of the season..albeit playing them twice with the championship game.

The only possible argument I could see there is if continuing into next season they carry on with convincing domination MAYBE they could work their way into the conversation depending on where they start the year ranked. But with their schedule they play vs what programs like Bama, Georgia, OU, and Clemson play it’s gonna be a tough argument to make.

They also implied that I was anti-UCF, to which I responded that I lived in Orlando, my wife had graduated from UCF this year, and on my FB timeline he could find a picture of our baby wearing a UCF jersey.

I agree, it's the administration's job to put the team in a position where if they win out they can be in the playoff. It was unfortunate that GT was struck from their schedule due to hurricane issues, but even that wouldn't have gotten them sniffing the top 4.

UCF has been improving a lot the last couple years in all their sports, if the Big 12 were to go back to looking for expansion candidates they will now be a much more serious candidate.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2018, 11:12:33 am »

Probably none, but there is no way to tell.  How many times has a recruit chosen Okie, Okie Lite, Texas. TAMU, or ND over Arkansas even though they haven't won a national championship?  Many times.  These schools are our recruiting competitors (with ND being a rare factor) not Bama or UGA.

Because we can't even get close to the recruits Bama gets....because they're always winning national titles. Do you not get it? The more Bama wins, the better they get than us.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2018, 11:15:16 am »

Because we can't even get close to the recruits Bama gets....because they're always winning national titles. Do you not get it? The more Bama wins, the better they get than us.

Disagree. We could be winning 10 each year and it wouldn't change Alabama's string of #1 classes. Their success has nothing to do with one or two individual players who may choose them over us.
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Re: Does an All-SEC Championship Game Make other Conferences Jealous?
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2018, 11:17:48 am »

Has any college team sued because they didnít make the playoff?

It is not a legal issue.
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« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2018, 11:18:48 am »

Yep. They created playoff after Bama LSU CG so this wouldnít happen. 

No they didn't OR they would never allow more than one team per conference.
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« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2018, 11:23:09 am »

No they didn't OR they would never allow more than one team per conference.

They created the playoff in response to the computer picking two teams from the same league. They put in the committee and expanded to 4 teams thinking that would at least keep two teams from being in the final. I was shocked when this years matchups were announced that they did not put Bama/Ga in the 2/3 game to ensure they would not both make the final.
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