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System Is Flawed
« on: January 01, 2018, 03:42:21 pm »

There is no way that UCF should not have been allowed to compete for a national championship.

And, oh yeah, Fire Gus!
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 03:43:00 pm »

Go to 8 teams and they could have.  Itís time.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 03:44:09 pm »

The question is if UCF could have been 11-0 in the SEC just for an example. I think not.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 03:44:18 pm »

As Nolan would say, a blind man can see we need 8.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 03:44:38 pm »

You can't go by one game that they had month to get ready for.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 03:45:46 pm »

The question is if UCF could have been 11-0 in the SEC just for an example. I think not.

You mean like Bama and Georgia?
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 03:45:50 pm »

As Nolan would say, a blind man can see we need 8.

Sir Nick said it would ruin the bowl system as we know it to expand, henceforth,  there shall be no expansion.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 03:47:25 pm »

The question is if UCF could have been 11-0 in the SEC just for an example. I think not.

And yet Wisconsin would have gotten in if they were undefeated.  They played 6 teams with losing records. The NCAA screws over the non P5 schools unless you are Notre Dame. Itís a bs system. 
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 03:48:24 pm »

UCF is this years Boise
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2018, 03:49:21 pm »

There will always be flaws. 8 seems to be the best number and the sooner they do it the better.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2018, 03:50:35 pm »

System is fine.

8 has a lot of logistics to work out.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2018, 03:50:52 pm »

UCF is this years Boise

Get ready for Nebraska to be really really good again.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2018, 03:54:29 pm »

No, the system is not fine.  UCF just proved what great coaching can do. 

UCF is perfectly capable of beating any of the 4 teams in the playoffs.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2018, 03:54:39 pm »

System is fine.

8 has a lot of logistics to work out.

Five conference champs, top non-Power 5 team and two at large.  Play first round at home of top 4 seeds.

Nothing complicated about that.

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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2018, 03:55:31 pm »

You can't go by one game that they had month to get ready for.

What about the other 12 games?
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2018, 03:58:51 pm »

Five conference champs, top non-Power 5 team and two at large.  Play first round at home of top 4 seeds.

Nothing complicated about that.

You are wanting events for 100000 people staged in places like Clemson SC Athens Ga and Tuscaloosa Al on short notice.  Hotels, security...  This isnít like FCS playoffs where itís like high school events.  Bowls are planned out for a year or more.
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2018, 04:03:05 pm »

You are wanting events for 100000 people staged in places like Clemson SC Athens Ga and Tuscaloosa Al on short notice.  Hotels, security...  This isnít like FCS playoffs where itís like high school events.  Bowls are planned out for a year or more.

We're talking about a football game....not sending someone to Mars.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2018, 04:05:31 pm »

You can't go by one game that they had month to get ready for.

So did auburn.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2018, 04:06:19 pm »

We're talking about a football game....not sending someone to Mars.

NFL playoffs are held in major cities.  College football can and will figure out the logistics but it isnít as simple as you want it to be. 

Plus Iím good that Iowa putting up 55 on Oh St meant something.  Or AU blowing the lead to LSU. 
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2018, 04:08:30 pm »

From looking at the bowl games, there are several teams that might have gone 8-0 in the SEC..
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2018, 04:28:06 pm »

NFL playoffs are held in major cities.  College football can and will figure out the logistics but it isnít as simple as you want it to be. 

Plus Iím good that Iowa putting up 55 on Oh St meant something.  Or AU blowing the lead to LSU.

Does UCF going 13-0 mean anything?

Or the fact they beat the team that beat two of the mighty playoff teams?
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2018, 04:30:19 pm »

Does UCF going 13-0 mean anything?

Or the fact they beat the team that beat two of the mighty playoff teams?

They had a great season.  Too bad for them they didn't play AU in the regular season and win. 
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2018, 04:39:56 pm »

Does UCF going 13-0 mean anything?

Or the fact they beat the team that beat two of the mighty playoff teams?

No...it doesn't mean squat.  Nor should it.  What should happen is the better non-P5 teams should be given an opportunity to prove themselves against some Top 10 teams in some kickoff classic type games.  Their regular season is never going to have the strength of schedule to "earn" their way into a 4 team playoff.

Barn was brilliant at times and completely mediocre at others during the season. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2018, 04:50:36 pm »

No...it doesn't mean squat.  Nor should it.  What should happen is the better non-P5 teams should be given an opportunity to prove themselves against some Top 10 teams in some kickoff classic type games.  Their regular season is never going to have the strength of schedule to "earn" their way into a 4 team playoff.

Barn was brilliant at times and completely mediocre at others during the season. 

I've got a great solution to all that.

Have a stinkin 8 team playoff.
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2018, 04:55:34 pm »

NFL playoffs are held in major cities.  College football can and will figure out the logistics but it isnít as simple as you want it to be. 

Plus Iím good that Iowa putting up 55 on Oh St meant something.  Or AU blowing the lead to LSU. 

Heaven forbid if Green Bay ever makes the playoffs.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2018, 08:45:49 pm »

Youíd be having the same argument about some other team if it were 8 teams
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2018, 09:10:33 pm »

I dont know the answer but I would like to see a change and move away from beauty pageants, eye tests, strength of schedule comparisons, margin of victory, etc.  I would prefer to see less meaningless bowl games and an expanded playoff.  Lots of grat ideas out there.
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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2018, 09:58:30 pm »

Youíd be having the same argument about some other team if it were 8 teams

Arguing 9 and 8 is quite a bit different from 4 and 5. And with my plan it's simple...win your conference and you're in.

The stupidest thing about this system is you've got 5 Power Conferences and 4 spots.
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2018, 10:01:51 pm »

The question is if UCF could have been 11-0 in the SEC just for an example. I think not.

Are we dealing in hypotheticals or in realities?
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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2018, 10:43:28 pm »

Get ready for Nebraska to be really really good again.
Not convinced of this because of the conference they play in.  Recruiting is the issue here.  If they were still in the Big 12 then I'd say yeah.  Since they are now in the Big 10 I just do not see where they pull the talent from.  IMHO, leaving the Big 12 was a huge mistake for Nebraska . . . from a recruiting perspective. 
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2018, 10:53:51 pm »

Does UCF going 13-0 mean anything?

Or the fact they beat the team that beat two of the mighty playoff teams?

They should play Wisc for the not good enough schedule NC
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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2018, 11:04:21 pm »

So, if this system is so great, why not have a committee do the same thing in basketball, pick four teams and do away with all the "on the court" nonsense?
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2018, 09:15:22 am »

Go to 8 teams and cut the regular season back to 10 games.
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2018, 09:43:12 am »

Petition to get in the ACC.  Go 12-0.  They are in.  Guaranteed.
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2018, 09:47:51 am »

Go to 8 teams and they could have.  Itís time.


Hereís the Top 8 from the final ranking:
1-Clemson
2-Oklahoma
3-Georgia
4-Alabama
5-Ohio State
6-Wisconsin
7-Auburn
8-USC

UCF finished 12th
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Re: System Is Flawed
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2018, 10:28:33 am »

System is fine.

8 has a lot of logistics to work out.

Sure, 8 is more complex than 4. But its also fair. So lets get the nerds on it.
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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2018, 10:31:50 am »


Hereís the Top 8 from the final ranking:
1-Clemson
2-Oklahoma
3-Georgia
4-Alabama
5-Ohio State
6-Wisconsin
7-Auburn
8-USC

UCF finished 12th

You don't just take the top 8 though. Part of the joy of 8 is that you can make it much less arbitrary.

5 P5 conference winners. Win a major conference and you are in. Nothing arbitrary.

1 Best of the non-P5. This is somewhat arbitrary but it keeps some skin in the game for non power 5 teams and it gives us an answer to the question that comes up just about every year.

2 Best two teams who aren't in. Lets face it CFB is weird. Sometimes the best teams don't win their conferences.

That makes an 8 team playoff where everybody P5 school controls their own destiny and the G5 schools have a path to victory.
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2018, 11:40:01 am »

Sure, 8 is more complex than 4. But its also fair. So lets get the nerds on it.

It is fair enough with four. An arbitrary number will always have some people saying unfair. If four isn't enough then why not eight. Then if that happened some would say eight isn't enough we need sixteen. Etc.
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2018, 11:43:59 am »

IKt is fair enough quoth four. An arbitrary number will always have some people saying unfair. If four isn't enough then why not eight. Then if that happened some would say eight isn't enough we need sixteen. Etc.

8 for a lot of reasons.

8 takes out the biggest piece of arbitrary nonsense out of the equation. Which of the 5 conferences gets left out?

But there are other reasons. 8 fits nicely into the schedule we already have. Christmas games, new years games, championship game. pushes you into the next semester and the NFL playoffs.
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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2018, 02:13:47 pm »

Every round you add, the harder you will make it for a program like ours to ever win a NC. 
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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2018, 02:26:37 pm »

It is fair enough with four. An arbitrary number will always have some people saying unfair. If four isn't enough then why not eight. Then if that happened some would say eight isn't enough we need sixteen. Etc.

Your on the right track!!!  I got it!!!  Do away with the regular season and start the year in the playoffs you can have 26 teams then!!!  Or just give the NC to the team that wins the SEC.
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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2018, 02:32:03 pm »

Your on the right track!!!  I got it!!!  Do away with the regular season and start the year in the playoffs you can have 26 teams then!!!  Or just give the NC to the team that wins the SEC.

Exactly. My gosh, we are 4 years into the Playoff and already it must be changed? Geez. Expand to 8 and #9 & #10 will be screaming to expand it again. Donít dilute it. Itís fine the way it is. If anything, make changes to the criteria used by the selection committee.
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2018, 02:45:20 pm »

There is no way that UCF should not have been allowed to compete for a national championship.

And, oh yeah, Fire Gus!
So out of the 4 playoff teams, what team should have been replaced by UCF?
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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2018, 04:26:54 pm »

The only team UCF beat this year is Auburn and under Gus they rarely win bowl games.  I was excited to see them get the victory but they are no threat to the 4 teams in the playoff. 
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2018, 05:05:06 pm »

The only team UCF beat this year is Auburn and under Gus they rarely win bowl games.  I was excited to see them get the victory but they are no threat to the 4 teams in the playoff. 

They also had a Week 2 game with Georgia Tech cancelled.
FWIW...Their SOS was ranked #72 in the country in the Sagarin ratings.
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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2018, 07:10:40 pm »

You don't just take the top 8 though. Part of the joy of 8 is that you can make it much less arbitrary.

5 P5 conference winners. Win a major conference and you are in. Nothing arbitrary.

1 Best of the non-P5. This is somewhat arbitrary but it keeps some skin in the game for non power 5 teams and it gives us an answer to the question that comes up just about every year.

2 Best two teams who aren't in. Lets face it CFB is weird. Sometimes the best teams don't win their conferences.

That makes an 8 team playoff where everybody P5 school controls their own destiny and the G5 schools have a path to victory.

This is EXACTLY how it should be.

It is so clearly correct that it takes a real stretch of weak thinking to not see it.

Every Power 5 team has a chance to qualify - win your conference.

Every non-Power 5 team has a chance to qualify- be the best.

Every great team that stumbled a bit can still have a chance to qualify - i.e. Bama this year which lost a game due to heavy injuries.

This is the ideal plan, which means it probably won't happen.
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« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2018, 08:58:03 pm »

Five conference champs, top non-Power 5 team and two at large.  Play first round at home of top 4 seeds.

Nothing complicated about that.

The quality of the OOC games would drop precipitously. 

4 is best.
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2018, 09:48:22 pm »

Letís just make the whole season a playoff. Lose a game and youíre done
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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2018, 10:15:01 pm »

The quality of the OOC games would drop precipitously. 

4 is best.

4 is musical chairs. And that is stupid.
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