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Defensive Strategy
« on: January 01, 2018, 02:49:03 pm »

I never coached a game, not even little league, but can someone please explain to me why so many Defense coaches are afraid to try something different?
The reason I say this the bowl games I watched including the Auburn game they continue to play same old ball although they not getting no pressure on the QB. Why not blitz when the opposing team still have aways to go? Why just continue the same thing this thought process baffles me.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 03:28:18 pm »

Blitzing a QB like the one at UCF is a great way to give up a big play. You take men away from coverage and give the receivers and QB more room to work.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 06:47:00 pm »

You let 5 O'Linemen + a back block 4 D'Linemen and the QB WILL find the open guy. DB's can only cover for so long and someone is going to get open.

Pressure on the QB, that is why the NFL covets DE's that can rush the QB.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 06:57:37 pm »


I don't know about Defensive Strategy but it appears the overall strategy in college football is no longer "Defense Wins Championships" but more like "Quick Spread Offenses and As Good A Defense As You Can Muster" is the fashion now and definitely what current rules dictate.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 07:39:41 pm »

No reason to blitz when the qb gets the ball out quick. It's better to play coverage unless you believe you can get to the qb.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 09:15:57 pm »

I hate to type this, but "bend but don't break" is a sound strategy. Wait for the offense to get greedy, make a mistake, or wear out.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 09:17:55 pm »

I hate to type this, but "bend but don't break" is a sound strategy. Wait for the offense to get greedy, make a mistake, or wear out.

Correct for programs like ours that wonít get sufficient defensive talent to effectively do otherwise.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 09:40:31 am »

I don't know about Defensive Strategy but it appears the overall strategy in college football is no longer "Defense Wins Championships" but more like "Quick Spread Offenses and As Good A Defense As You Can Muster" is the fashion now and definitely what current rules dictate.

Your belief is widely held but it doesn't really work out that way. Championship teams almost always have a top 10 defense and as good an offense as they can muster.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 10:01:17 am »

With modern analysis, high tech equipment, etc, coaches know what another teamís tendencies are and they know how successful various tactics typically are. If a computer has taught you that your scheme can work if it is executed, you arenít likely to change on a hunch.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 10:42:43 am »

I hate to type this, but "bend but don't break" is a sound strategy. Wait for the offense to get greedy, make a mistake, or wear out.

The only problem is what happed this year with CBB and his bend donít break. We still gave up Breaks plays.

So it becomes a bend and break Defense
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 10:52:05 am »

I think you have to do whatever you can affect the QB or the timing of a play.  If you sit back and try to "bend but not break," you'll get torn apart by most modern offenses. 
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 10:56:12 am »

I never coached a game, not even little league, but can someone please explain to me why so many Defense coaches are afraid to try something different?
The reason I say this the bowl games I watched including the Auburn game they continue to play same old ball although they not getting no pressure on the QB. Why not blitz when the opposing team still have aways to go? Why just continue the same thing this thought process baffles me.
In a way I agree. Nothing makes a DC look dumber than when there is a 3 man rush and you have a tight end running 20 yards up the middle and nobody within 10 yards of him. We see this scenario constantly in football. Playing conservative gets teams beat all the time. NFL as well.

Passing games and skill guys are way too talented these days as a whole vs defensive back 7 skill guys. Unless you are the elite of the elite like Bama or Clemson on defense the bend but donít break strategy makes zero sense.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2018, 10:58:54 am »

If you do not have lb's and db's capable of covering the type of talent most sec teams have, then no defense is going to stop anyone.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 11:02:48 am »

Discipline on defense is the key and it is extremely hard with all of the eye candy the offenses give pre-snap these days.  If you just look at this years Rose Bowl how many times did Oklahoma get burned because a LB or a safety or both made a wrong presnap read and got themselves out of position.  Then look at the other side with the Baker Mayfield TD catch.  Georgia had two defenders out in the flat on that play and both to the WR leaving Mayfield wide open in the corner of he end zone.  Once Georgia settled down on defense and started executing their plays rather than trying to react to what Oklahoma was showing them the tide turned in the game and they won. 
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 11:03:38 am »

There are a lot of problems for DC's to consider.  Each player is charged with containment of a player or a certain part of the field.  The spread was developed to help a weaker team have the opportunity to find the spots on the field where that containment breaks down.  In the old offenses you had just a few points of attack and the ideal was to do those thing very well and force the other team to stop them.   That took having better talent that the other guy and more often than not the teams with better talent won.

Why fans who KNOW their team can never hope for that type talent get all up in arms about new offenses being developed to help migrate the talent differences is much be boggling.   If a Petrino or Morris can win 10-11 games with a high powered offense why the heck would you be dreaming of 3 yards and a cloud of dust while going 4-8?

Now that's not about defensive strategy but when talking about the defense someone just had to bring it up and complain about it.  I remember the days when fan said "fire Willy" for letting other teams average 22-23 points a game.  Under our past defensive minded head coach those numbers would have looked pretty good.

Yea bend don't break is probably what we will be doing for awhile and then it depends on TALENT.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 11:03:58 am »

We must get more speed on Defense.  The day of the 4.8 LBs are over except when rarely when Offense are geared to run the ball.

I want Bigger safeties at LB and Bigger LBs at DE and so forth.  Speed baby.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 11:04:01 am »

All can be remedied by having the Jimmy's and Joe's.  When healthy Bama owns everyone because they are 2 and 3 deep with difference makers on the D Line.  Getting pressure on the QB without blitzing more consistently than any team I've ever watched. 

I say all that to say this, your defensive "Strategy" centers more around who you have then any other variable.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 11:08:12 am »

Championships are won by defenses. Take the Ala/Clemson game- Ala, took the offense away from Clemson by it's front seven dominating and controlling the  game. The same thing happen in the Georgia/Oklahoma game. We have to develop a front seven that can compete with anyone. It's speed and athleticism that we are missing.

 
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 11:19:05 am »

Championships are won by defenses. Take the Ala/Clemson game- Ala, took the offense away from Clemson by it's front seven dominating and controlling the  game. The same thing happen in the Georgia/Oklahoma game. We have to develop a front seven that can compete with anyone. It's speed and athleticism that we are missing.

Well Alabama is a shoe-in then because there defense is better than Georgia's.  Here is the thing though, we ain't talking about being Bama(I hope), we are talking about what the best strategy is for Arkansas.  Every single Arkansas fan wants the very best defense we can possibly have but most fans knowing we won't be fielding a Bama defense wants the very best offense we can possibly have.  Our dense is best served by being lighter and faster and hoping the bend don't break strategy forces a mistake once in a while, while our offense is scoring like a machine.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 11:24:41 am »

I hate to type this, but "bend but don't break" is a sound strategy. Wait for the offense to get greedy, make a mistake, or wear out.

Correct, unless you have monster talent in the secondary , most coaches are simply not going to risk it.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 11:27:14 am »

In a way I agree. Nothing makes a DC look dumber than when there is a 3 man rush and you have a tight end running 20 yards up the middle and nobody within 10 yards of him. We see this scenario constantly in football. Playing conservative gets teams beat all the time. NFL as well.

Passing games and skill guys are way too talented these days as a whole vs defensive back 7 skill guys. Unless you are the elite of the elite like Bama or Clemson on defense the bend but donít break strategy makes zero sense.


You have it completely backwards, the more talented defenses can afford to take chances on defense, while the less talented teams have to just play fundamental football and hope to make stops when it matters.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 11:28:13 am »

Correct for programs like ours that won’t get sufficient defensive talent to effectively do otherwise.

Actually in '98 and '99, Arkansas had both the talent and the coaching to do exactly that. The '98 "Code Red" Hog defense actually held the eventual National Champions pretty well in check until the "Stoernover" happened. Arkansas hasn't really had a good DC since that time.....until now.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2018, 11:29:17 am »

We must get more speed on Defense.  The day of the 4.8 LBs are over except when rarely when Offense are geared to run the ball.

I want Bigger safeties at LB and Bigger LBs at DE and so forth.  Speed baby.

Speed is king in college football. Alabama's D linemen are fast as our linebackers, their linebackers as fast as our defensive backs and their defensive backs are elite level speed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2018, 11:32:18 am »

Speed is king in college football. Alabama's D linemen are fast as our linebackers, their linebackers as fast as our defensive backs and their defensive backs are elite level speed.

And the only way we will ever get close to that speed per position is going lighter which creates a whole new set of problems.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2018, 11:39:22 am »

And the only way we will ever get close to that speed per position is going lighter which creates a whole new set of problems.


Agreed, we'll occasionally get the big guy who can run like the wind, but for the most part those players are always going to go to the college football blue bloods, and the few we DO get, we always seem to move them to offense anyway.

I will use DMac and Joe Adams as examples, those guys could have been elite defensive players for us. But we put them on offense. I'm not saying they didn't work out on offense, or anything like that, obviously they both did, I'm merely saying that both of them probably would have played defense at USC or Bama, or Ohio State, or something like that.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2018, 04:24:08 pm »

Alabama: Ryan Anderson, LB: 4.74-4.85 forty time, 7.73 3-cone drill. 252 pounds.

Jonathan Allen, DE: 5.0 second forty time 9' broad weighing 286.

For comparison, in the same draft, you have Brooks Ellis running a 4.71-4.49 forty time and a 6.79 3cone at 240 pounds and Deatrich Wise at 274 ran a 4.92 and had a 10'4" broad jump.

Let's not deify Bama's players. It's not like I'm comparing our starters on defense to their scrubs. Anderson and Allen were two of their stud players on defense last year. Yes, Bama has some athletic freaks, but they aren't all speed demons.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2018, 07:48:44 pm »

Iím going to try to keep this brief but this is something I have thought a lot about as a coach... middle school coach who calls our defense. Personally I donít do what Iíd like to do because I run what our high school wants run but here are some thoughts.

Basically (and over simplifying everything) you currently have defensive football that has been built to stop offenses pre-spread. The 5-2 is 5 DL (2 DE; 2 DT; & NG) and 2 LB designed to stop run heavy offenses. The 3-4 is an adaptation of that defense by removing the DTs and replacing them with LB. The idea is flexibility to still have 7 in the box but also cover TE and RB that run routes in the pro style offenses using the other LBs. The 4-3 replaces the NG with a LB to give more speed and be able to play strong against the run and still cover the RB and TE. All of these defenses are built to combat a ďtraditionalĒ front where the offense has 8-9 players in the box but the spread doesnít follow those rules and yet weíre trying to defend it like weíve defended everything else. We simply pull LB for DB to adjust personnel to quicker guys in slots and wide outs and go more nickels and dimes for coverages and then adjust those coverages based on tendancies out of different formations.

My what if that Iíve kinda played with on paper is more of an offensive mindset to defensive football. What if I put 0 DL out there and rolled with 6 LB types and 5 DBs... although 2-4-5 or 3-3-5 is more likely. I can ignore the line as threats because they canít go out for a pass and typically wonít run the ball. Every threat player in a formation has at least one guy responsible for him... a TE has one guy assigned to him, a RB has 2, a slot has two a wr two an h back 2, QBs 1 or 2 l. Basically I turn defensive football into 11 on 6  where I have 2 guys responsible for all but one of their threats. My alignment would mimic the alignment of the offense with responsibilities changing as the formations change and threats are assessed. Think a match up zone in basketball... it looks like man but plays like zone and vice versa.

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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2018, 07:51:41 pm »

A good defensive strategy is to hire the guy in my avatar on the left of this post and let him do all that thinking.
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2018, 07:52:54 pm »

A good defensive strategy is to hire the guy in my avatar on the left of this post and let him do all that thinking.

I canít argue with that at all.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2018, 08:01:57 pm »

The only problem is what happed this year with CBB and his bend donít break. We still gave up Breaks plays.

So it becomes a bend and break Defense

I think that is what the OP is trying to say.  If you rush four and it's working you stay with it, but when you're rushing four and the QB is sitting back there with time for receivers to break open, it's obviously not working.

So, you're really not "risking" anything to stunt a LB or DB.  If you are consistently giving a good QB 5 seconds to throw the ball, doesn't matter if you have 3 in coverage or 6.... you're going to lose.

Our lack of aggressiveness on defense for several years has been one of the main factors in our lack of success.
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2018, 08:15:07 pm »

Iím going to try to keep this brief but this is something I have thought a lot about as a coach... middle school coach who calls our defense. Personally I donít do what Iíd like to do because I run what our high school wants run but here are some thoughts.

Basically (and over simplifying everything) you currently have defensive football that has been built to stop offenses pre-spread. The 5-2 is 5 DL (2 DE; 2 DT; & NG) and 2 LB designed to stop run heavy offenses. The 3-4 is an adaptation of that defense by removing the DTs and replacing them with LB. The idea is flexibility to still have 7 in the box but also cover TE and RB that run routes in the pro style offenses using the other LBs. The 4-3 replaces the NG with a LB to give more speed and be able to play strong against the run and still cover the RB and TE. All of these defenses are built to combat a ďtraditionalĒ front where the offense has 8-9 players in the box but the spread doesnít follow those rules and yet weíre trying to defend it like weíve defended everything else. We simply pull LB for DB to adjust personnel to quicker guys in slots and wide outs and go more nickels and dimes for coverages and then adjust those coverages based on tendancies out of different formations.

My what if that Iíve kinda played with on paper is more of an offensive mindset to defensive football. What if I put 0 DL out there and rolled with 6 LB types and 5 DBs... although 2-4-5 or 3-3-5 is more likely. I can ignore the line as threats because they canít go out for a pass and typically wonít run the ball. Every threat player in a formation has at least one guy responsible for him... a TE has one guy assigned to him, a RB has 2, a slot has two a wr two an h back 2, QBs 1 or 2 l. Basically I turn defensive football into 11 on 6  where I have 2 guys responsible for all but one of their threats. My alignment would mimic the alignment of the offense with responsibilities changing as the formations change and threats are assessed. Think a match up zone in basketball... it looks like man but plays like zone and vice versa.



Where does your QB pressure come from? I am with you on thinking outside the box but from a defensive perspective, you have to account for the fact that the receivers know where they are going and can get separation or at least should be especially if the QB is not pressured at all.

I am not a coach but it looks to me like a variation of a 3-3-5 with A zac  painter hybrid role in the mix or maybe 2 has the most flexibility to defend the majority of today's offenses. How you scheme that is the key. And the most obvious place to me is changing coverage areas in zone. Use the hybrids in zone to gap fill for slants or other short patterns but still close for run support. May be way off base but like I said I'm no coach.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2018, 08:29:39 pm »

Iím going to try to keep this brief but this is something I have thought a lot about as a coach... middle school coach who calls our defense. Personally I donít do what Iíd like to do because I run what our high school wants run but here are some thoughts.

Basically (and over simplifying everything) you currently have defensive football that has been built to stop offenses pre-spread. The 5-2 is 5 DL (2 DE; 2 DT; & NG) and 2 LB designed to stop run heavy offenses. The 3-4 is an adaptation of that defense by removing the DTs and replacing them with LB. The idea is flexibility to still have 7 in the box but also cover TE and RB that run routes in the pro style offenses using the other LBs. The 4-3 replaces the NG with a LB to give more speed and be able to play strong against the run and still cover the RB and TE. All of these defenses are built to combat a ďtraditionalĒ front where the offense has 8-9 players in the box but the spread doesnít follow those rules and yet weíre trying to defend it like weíve defended everything else. We simply pull LB for DB to adjust personnel to quicker guys in slots and wide outs and go more nickels and dimes for coverages and then adjust those coverages based on tendancies out of different formations.

My what if that Iíve kinda played with on paper is more of an offensive mindset to defensive football. What if I put 0 DL out there and rolled with 6 LB types and 5 DBs... although 2-4-5 or 3-3-5 is more likely. I can ignore the line as threats because they canít go out for a pass and typically wonít run the ball. Every threat player in a formation has at least one guy responsible for him... a TE has one guy assigned to him, a RB has 2, a slot has two a wr two an h back 2, QBs 1 or 2 l. Basically I turn defensive football into 11 on 6  where I have 2 guys responsible for all but one of their threats. My alignment would mimic the alignment of the offense with responsibilities changing as the formations change and threats are assessed. Think a match up zone in basketball... it looks like man but plays like zone and vice versa.

What they'd eventually do is run qb delays with their best talent at qb.  That leaves them with a 5 man wedge to block your 2 qb spies.    Once they snap and all eligible receivers run 20 yds downfield, the qb takes off following his wedge
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2018, 08:39:13 pm »

 Reggie Herring  could be one of the best DC we ever had for 1st and 2nd down. If he would have had some type of 3rd down zone play.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2018, 08:59:57 pm »

Iím going to try to keep this brief but this is something I have thought a lot about as a coach... middle school coach who calls our defense. Personally I donít do what Iíd like to do because I run what our high school wants run but here are some thoughts.

Basically (and over simplifying everything) you currently have defensive football that has been built to stop offenses pre-spread. The 5-2 is 5 DL (2 DE; 2 DT; & NG) and 2 LB designed to stop run heavy offenses. The 3-4 is an adaptation of that defense by removing the DTs and replacing them with LB. The idea is flexibility to still have 7 in the box but also cover TE and RB that run routes in the pro style offenses using the other LBs. The 4-3 replaces the NG with a LB to give more speed and be able to play strong against the run and still cover the RB and TE. All of these defenses are built to combat a ďtraditionalĒ front where the offense has 8-9 players in the box but the spread doesnít follow those rules and yet weíre trying to defend it like weíve defended everything else. We simply pull LB for DB to adjust personnel to quicker guys in slots and wide outs and go more nickels and dimes for coverages and then adjust those coverages based on tendancies out of different formations.

My what if that Iíve kinda played with on paper is more of an offensive mindset to defensive football. What if I put 0 DL out there and rolled with 6 LB types and 5 DBs... although 2-4-5 or 3-3-5 is more likely. I can ignore the line as threats because they canít go out for a pass and typically wonít run the ball. Every threat player in a formation has at least one guy responsible for him... a TE has one guy assigned to him, a RB has 2, a slot has two a wr two an h back 2, QBs 1 or 2 l. Basically I turn defensive football into 11 on 6  where I have 2 guys responsible for all but one of their threats. My alignment would mimic the alignment of the offense with responsibilities changing as the formations change and threats are assessed. Think a match up zone in basketball... it looks like man but plays like zone and vice versa.



Those are good thoughts. I appreciate the post. You are thinking about possibilities to counteract the offenses you face and that is what you should do. I was never a DC but I have been an O-Line Coach and an OC and QB Coach. Now ask yourself, what is the worst nightmare that an offense can face?

Well designed stunts and games run by the front seven (in whatever configuration) that creates disruption in the backfield whether a designed passing or a running play or a an RPO.

Remember what it was that "broke the bone" years ago. Disciplined, assignment football, but when teams started really coming after the wishbone, they forced decisions earlier, rather than when they wanted to make those decisions.

Pressure defense is what can make offenses designed on defensive reads to break down. Especially if they have to make those decisions more quickly than they had practiced and planned. Do that and you frustrate an offense and their players. Frustrate the offensive unit and you begin to see a breakdown.

Oh sure, you stand the chance of them scheming to throw over you, but at your level, the middle school level, this could be less of a threat than at the HS level or college level.

You may occasionally give up some big plays and maybe some big plays for scores, but if you are in their faces more often and making them have to make key decisions quicker than they had designed, you may find that you make the opposing offense less viable than your opponent had hoped to be.

There isn't an offense in the country at any level that likes being in a position to have to make key decisions in an RPO situation sooner than they planned or would like to make those decisions.

More pressure tends to force more poor decisions than better decisions. JMO
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2018, 09:18:26 pm »

Where does your QB pressure come from? I am with you on thinking outside the box but from a defensive perspective, you have to account for the fact that the receivers know where they are going and can get separation or at least should be especially if the QB is not pressured at all.

I am not a coach but it looks to me like a variation of a 3-3-5 with A zac  painter hybrid role in the mix or maybe 2 has the most flexibility to defend the majority of today's offenses. How you scheme that is the key. And the most obvious place to me is changing coverage areas in zone. Use the hybrids in zone to gap fill for slants or other short patterns but still close for run support. May be way off base but like I said I'm no coach.

What they'd eventually do is run qb delays with their best talent at qb.  That leaves them with a 5 man wedge to block your 2 qb spies.    Once they snap and all eligible receivers run 20 yds downfield, the qb takes off following his wedge

Those are good thoughts. I appreciate the post. You are thinking about possibilities to counteract the offenses you face and that is what you should do. I was never a DC but I have been an O-Line Coach and an OC and QB Coach. Now ask yourself, what is the worst nightmare that an offense can face?

Well designed stunts and games run by the front seven (in whatever configuration) that creates disruption in the backfield whether a designed passing or a running play or a an RPO.

Remember what it was that "broke the bone" years ago. Disciplined, assignment football, but when teams started really coming after the wishbone, they forced decisions earlier, rather than when they wanted to make those decisions.

Pressure defense is what can make offenses designed on defensive reads to break down. Especially if they have to make those decisions more quickly than they had practiced and planned. Do that and you frustrate an offense and their players. Frustrate the offensive unit and you begin to see a breakdown.

Oh sure, you stand the chance of them scheming to throw over you, but at your level, the middle school level, this could be less of a threat than at the HS level or college level.

You may occasionally give up some big plays and maybe some big plays for scores, but if you are in their faces more often and making them have to make key decisions quicker than they had designed, you may find that you make the opposing offense less viable than your opponent had hoped to be.

There isn't an offense in the country at any level that likes being in a position to have to make key decisions in an RPO situation sooner than they planned or would like to make those decisions.

More pressure tends to force more poor decisions than better decisions. JMO

Completely agree on pressure and thatís what Iím actually trying to get more of... bringing at least 3 every down from different places with delays from 1 or 2 and based on what threats can afford to lose one of the 2 assigned.

Itís all paper now and just messing around against different formations and what they can run out of them. Itís really difficult to figure out the system of matchups and who rushes against what reads without blowing against other plays. Nothing even close to try to implement.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2018, 09:31:43 pm »

A good defensive strategy is to hire the guy in my avatar on the left of this post and let him do all that thinking.
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2018, 10:33:56 am »

Alabama: Ryan Anderson, LB: 4.74-4.85 forty time, 7.73 3-cone drill. 252 pounds.

Jonathan Allen, DE: 5.0 second forty time 9' broad weighing 286.

For comparison, in the same draft, you have Brooks Ellis running a 4.71-4.49 forty time and a 6.79 3cone at 240 pounds and Deatrich Wise at 274 ran a 4.92 and had a 10'4" broad jump.

Let's not deify Bama's players. It's not like I'm comparing our starters on defense to their scrubs. Anderson and Allen were two of their stud players on defense last year. Yes, Bama has some athletic freaks, but they aren't all speed demons.


You're comparing NFL draft picks though, not even Alabama fields a team full of NFL draft picks.

On AVERAGE Alabama is bigger and faster than us at every position. That is what I was getting at.

I even said that yes we do get some guys of that caliber.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2018, 10:45:37 am »

With modern analysis, high tech equipment, etc, coaches know what another teamís tendencies are and they know how successful various tactics typically are. If a computer has taught you that your scheme can work if it is executed, you arenít likely to change on a hunch.

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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2018, 11:30:35 am »

Hold serve on offense, capitalize as much as you can on defense, turnovers not punts. Seems to be the way things are going, especially with rule changes favoring offenses.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2018, 11:40:27 am »

the largest problem with a predominant bend don't break scheme, paired against a salty, prolific offense is.....

eventually the defense will get stung. the coverage guys simply can't maintain effective coverage at a frequency that is good enough to affect the overall outcome of the game. the opponent will eventually find a target, or break a run.

there has to be some legit pressure on the qb at some point.
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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2018, 11:49:24 am »

the largest problem with a predominant bend don't break scheme, paired against a salty, prolific offense is.....

eventually the defense will get stung. the coverage guys simply can't maintain effective coverage at a frequency that is good enough to affect the overall outcome of the game. the opponent will eventually find a target, or break a run.

there has to be some legit pressure on the qb at some point.


Well coached offense will eat up a bend but donít break defense


Better to try to take the initiative from a good defense with aggressive play



Even if you give up some big plays being aggressive at least youíre defense isnít worn down   
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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2018, 11:52:16 am »

You have to try to take away from what the offense does best and make them beat you another way.  Thatís easier said than done but it should be the goal.  If you are going to against a run team add another defender in the box.  If going against a team that likes to pass either blitz to disrupt, drop someone in coverage, or a combination. 
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2018, 12:17:45 pm »

Correct for programs like ours that wonít get sufficient defensive talent to effectively do otherwise.

Dan Hampton, Billy Ray Smith(jr & Sr), Wayne Martin, Ronnie Caveness, Steve Atwater, and Tony Bua say ďhelloĒ....
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2018, 12:20:13 pm »

This is a good thread. Coaches can be stubborn sometimes, no matter how knowledgeable they are. hen
I think they is a time and place for bend but don't break as well as blitzing. I think the key is to know when to mix it up.

Penn State beat Miami in 1987 Fiesta Bowl by playing bend but don't break and it worked. Testaverde got fooled eventually. Then you look at UGA and Oklahoma the other day. It appears that UGA abandoned the contain concept and started coming after Baker Mayfield.

Defense is situational for sure. Ultimately, when you have the better players, the less complicated you have to be.
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2018, 12:21:46 pm »

Dan Hampton, Billy Ray Smith(jr & Sr), Wayne Martin, Ronnie Caveness, Steve Atwater, and Tony Bua say ďhelloĒ....
You are choosing guys from over 50 years. The Razorbacks don't regularly get that kind of talent.
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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2018, 12:22:04 pm »

Dan Hampton, Billy Ray Smith(jr & Sr), Wayne Martin, Ronnie Caveness, Steve Atwater, and Tony Bua say ďhelloĒ....

One of these things is not like the other....
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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2018, 12:29:14 pm »

One of these things is not like the other....

Bua is a Hogville legend


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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2018, 02:00:03 pm »

Defensive success vs Spread:
1. SPEED
2. DISCIPLINE
3. Always move your D linemen. Different shades and slants with LBíers , never the same look twice in a series
4. SPEED to make a big play when DISCIPLINE is lost. Just takes ONE mistake on defense for a big play on offense
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Re: Defensive Strategy
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2018, 09:05:44 pm »

Tony Bua wasn't the biggest player we had, but he had the heart and determination of a 400 pound angry Gorilla..  We need that kind of talent
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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2018, 09:06:57 pm »

Arkansas Defensive Strategy:

Hire a DC!
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