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Hogindasticks

Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:25:49 pm »

These percentages show how many recruits/commits each school has.   Its very interesting in that if a recruiter looks at this, it may show them where they need to target recruiting to find the right caliber kids and not have to work so hard doing it.  These percentages will also show you how well a school is looked at in the recruiting process by the talents that are filling those positions.  Take a look.   Greatest to least.
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South Carolina      130 offers / 22 commits     16.9% Success Rate(SR) in recruiting
Clemson               110 offers / 15 commits      13.6% SR (had to put this one in here for verification for SC recruiting)
Texas A&M           128 offers / 14 commits      10.9% SR
Auburn                 213 offers / 22 commits      10.3% SR
LSU                      248 offers / 22 commits      8.9% SR
Vandy                   242 offers / 19 commits      7.9% SR
Missouri                275 offers / 21 commits       7.6% SR
Georgia                 295 offers / 22 commits       7.5% SR
Alabama               269 offers / 18 commits       6.7% SR
Kentucky               354 offers / 21 commits       5.9% SR
Miss St                  348 offers / 20 commits       5.7% SR
Florida                   273 offers / 14 commits       5.1% SR
Arkansas                189 offers / 9 commits         4.8% SR
Ole Miss                 373 offers / 16 commits       4.2% SR
Tennessee              406 offers / 17 commits       4.2% SR

What is your take?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 07:39:34 pm by Hogindasticks »
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 07:47:42 pm »

The bottom five all had coaching changes with aTm being the exception. Hard to say how many of their [aTm] commitments will actually sign. Also, all offers are not the same. Without knowing which offers are “committable”, hard to know what success rate to assign to each school.
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Hogindasticks

Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 07:55:14 pm »

The bottom five all had coaching changes with aTm being the exception. Hard to say how many of their [aTm] commitments will actually sign. Also, all offers are not the same. Without knowing which offers are “committable”, hard to know what success rate to assign to each school.

This is as it stands on 247.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 07:55:25 pm »

My take is .. damn Tennessee offers a bunch of people lol
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 08:00:07 pm »

How does bama not have closer to 100%?
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Hogindasticks

Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 08:02:22 pm »

How does bama not have closer to 100%?

I was curious why they are having to offer so many...I would have thought it would have been much higher as well.....but the proof is in the numbers.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 08:03:13 pm »

Arkansas’ % will go up close to 8% if they sign 16.  There won’t be too many more offers sent out and they will almost double the number of commits.
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Hogindasticks

Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 08:03:30 pm »

I see that if you need a certain amount of players, and your percentage is low...your gonna have to offer a bunch to get a high number.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 08:14:32 pm »

How does bama not have closer to 100%?

I bet very few of those offers were commitable offers or they would have many more who would have committed.. 
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Hogindasticks

Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 08:30:23 pm »

Can watch how it transpires.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 08:39:55 pm »

How does bama not have closer to 100%?
Some pay better.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 10:04:01 pm »

My take is .. damn Tennessee offers a bunch of people lol
Maybe this included how many coaches was recruited ...lol
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 10:35:10 pm »

I was curious why they are having to offer so many...I would have thought it would have been much higher as well.....but the proof is in the numbers.
They recruit nationally. They can afford to invest resources in analyzing and recruiting top players no matter where they reside.

This year they offered players in 31 different states.

I don’t think the “success rate” is really a very meaningful number, tbh. There is no way to know what their board looks like so there is no way to know how much they win or lose on a recruit they really want or need.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 10:43:31 pm »

These statistics show me a couple of things:
1 - offers, particularly early offers, are nothing more than a strategy to keep your program in the mix
2 - the shear number of "offers" given says that most of them are never connected to a real option to commit
3 - the "success rate" statistic doesn't work for me.  I prefer to look at these number as "% committable offers".  For example, it looks like Tenner's % committable offers is in the neighborhood 5%, while South Carolina's is closer to 20%.  I don't like "success rate" because, of the offers given, we really don't know how many of those kids they were really after.  It does say something about a teams strategy, and likely their sense of urgency.

Just as a sanity check, we all know that Alabama's success rate with recruits that they really want is far better than 6.7%, and Georgia's (especially this year) is better than 7.5%.

JMHO.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2018, 01:01:23 am »

I don’t think the “success rate” is really a very meaningful number, tbh. There is no way to know what their board looks like so there is no way to know how much they win or lose on a recruit they really want or need.

Yea, same here.  It seems like some schools send out a ton of offers that aren't committable.  Sometimes you'll see a player with an Alabama offer, and it's their only great offer, but they'll end up at some small school.

What I find most interesting is the number of offers.  I've seen lists like this one in the past and I believe some SEC schools are sending out more offers now than in the past.  I think Tennessee has always led SEC schools, by sending out the most offers, and IIRC, Saban began doing the same when at Alabama.  Now you have MSU, Ole Miss and Kentucky all rivaling Tennessee, with Georgia placing 5th and having the #1 class.  I hope we see Arkansas near the top next year.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2018, 09:29:17 pm »

The bottom five all had coaching changes with aTm being the exception. Hard to say how many of their [aTm] commitments will actually sign. Also, all offers are not the same. Without knowing which offers are “committable”, hard to know what success rate to assign to each school.
OM didn’t change coaches
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 09:10:47 am »

OM didn’t change coaches

Well, I would consider what happened at OleMiss a coaching change. Freeze probably was recruiting the kids in this class, he’s gone and the interim guy was hired.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2018, 03:05:53 pm »

These percentages show how many recruits/commits each school has.   Its very interesting in that if a recruiter looks at this, it may show them where they need to target recruiting to find the right caliber kids and not have to work so hard doing it.  These percentages will also show you how well a school is looked at in the recruiting process by the talents that are filling those positions.  Take a look.   Greatest to least.
\2018\
South Carolina      130 offers / 22 commits     16.9% Success Rate(SR) in recruiting
Clemson               110 offers / 15 commits      13.6% SR (had to put this one in here for verification for SC recruiting)
Texas A&M           128 offers / 14 commits      10.9% SR
Auburn                 213 offers / 22 commits      10.3% SR
LSU                      248 offers / 22 commits      8.9% SR
Vandy                   242 offers / 19 commits      7.9% SR
Missouri                275 offers / 21 commits       7.6% SR
Georgia                 295 offers / 22 commits       7.5% SR
Alabama               269 offers / 18 commits       6.7% SR
Kentucky               354 offers / 21 commits       5.9% SR
Miss St                  348 offers / 20 commits       5.7% SR
Florida                   273 offers / 14 commits       5.1% SR
Arkansas                189 offers / 9 commits         4.8% SR
Ole Miss                 373 offers / 16 commits       4.2% SR
Tennessee              406 offers / 17 commits       4.2% SR

What is your take?

"Success rate" is misleading I think.  It's a function of how many offers you make and how many scholarships you actually have.  We have few scholarships this year due to high retention, therefore our "success rate" is going to be low.  If a school has 20+ scholarships, their success rate will tend to be higher.  I would expect this list to vary greatly from year to year.
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Hogindasticks

Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2018, 03:08:41 pm »

I think the offer column is more interesting than the Success......showing how hard programs are having to work to get the kids to their school.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 03:10:46 pm »

I think the offer column is more interesting than the Success......showing how hard programs are having to work to get the kids to their school.

Or the offer column just reflects a school's recruiting philosophy.  Kentucky is way up there in # of offers, but so is Alabama, and Alabama probably has to work the least hard to recruit in comparison to other schools (though they obviously work hard).  It could be argued that the more offers you make, the easier it is and that the fewer offers you make, the harder it is...or even the other way around.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 04:40:23 pm »

I bet very few of those offers were commitable offers or they would have many more who would have committed.. 

A lot of the kids are never contacted after an offer. An accurate percentage would be the kids you get that are on your board.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2018, 04:50:41 pm »

It's really dishonest to send out hundreds of "offers" when you only have 25 spots max.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2018, 04:52:55 pm »

The information is really boring.  It shows that teams in coaching transitions get a little behind in commitments.  Who knew.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 05:28:01 pm »

A lot of the kids are never contacted after an offer. An accurate percentage would be the kids you get that are on your board.
It’s almost like some sports journalist with a stellar reputation should write a book or something ;P
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2018, 11:36:09 pm »

It’s almost like some sports journalist with a stellar reputation should write a book or something ;P

I would never do a kiss and tell. Don't think I'm breaking news that schools often times extend offers and rarely ever talk to a large number of them. Eddie Smith mentioned that on my radio show.

If I did do a kiss and tell, several people would be pissed big time because they would be exposed.
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2018, 11:41:59 pm »

I would never do a kiss and tell. Don't think I'm breaking news that schools often times extend offers and rarely ever talk to a large number of them. Eddie Smith mentioned that on my radio show.

If I did do a kiss and tell, several people would be pissed big time because they would be exposed.
you teasin now lol
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Re: Interesting Stats so far in the recruiting process
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2018, 12:55:08 am »

I would never do a kiss and tell. Don't think I'm breaking news that schools often times extend offers and rarely ever talk to a large number of them. Eddie Smith mentioned that on my radio show.

If I did do a kiss and tell, several people would be pissed big time because they would be exposed.
Oh.. I get it. Was more thinking an anonymized data analysis--not a tell-all.
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