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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #200 on: October 01, 2017, 03:55:06 pm »

Would take him TODAY! O'Line Coach
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #201 on: October 01, 2017, 04:06:51 pm »

Ah, but of course we have the best fans around.

I have no comment, even though I commented. ;)
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #202 on: October 01, 2017, 04:24:43 pm »

WTH!!! Good lord man you're just delusional.

If we had ragnow at center, Gibson and froholdt at guard, Jackson st RT and a good option at LT we'd be pretty decent. That's just the truth.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2017, 04:35:11 pm »

I respect the hell out of Austin Allen. It is amazing to me that Austin Allen gets criticized for holding the ball too long when he is doing it to try to make a play. Do you people not realize that he KNOWS he is about to get the piss knocked out of him?

Guarantee if he was throwing it out of bounds to avoid the hit, the Hogville narrative would be, "The kid is gutless."

The truth is, our offense is pretty complex. Has a lot of moving parts. I'm convinced that's why we tend to start every season slowly.
This. I saw 4 or 5 other SEC teams yesterday, Tennessee,South Carolina, Ole Miss, especially LSU struggle with the same OL issue. It gave me hope as each of those teams has recruited better at the OL than we have cept maybe SC. The Austin A. part of your post is accurate. NO one would want to take THOSE HITS. He may miss from time to time in looking for receivers but mostly he's out of sinc for other reasons.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2017, 04:39:13 pm »

As you all saw yesterday, guys were slicing and dicing our OL.  Is it talent, scheme, competition throwing relenting blitzes, or coaching?  On replays, I see O-Linemen not even seeing the defender run right past them. 

It is big ole boys that are just big....not agile
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #205 on: October 01, 2017, 04:45:44 pm »

Line isn't any good.  QB isn't any good.  Receivers aren't very good.  All there is to it. Defense is pretty weak. Bama can hang 70 on us. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #206 on: October 01, 2017, 04:47:46 pm »

Line isn't any good.  QB isn't any good.  Receivers aren't very good.  All there is to it. Defense is pretty weak. Bama can hang 70 on us. 

If they choose to..yes
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #207 on: October 01, 2017, 04:58:06 pm »

A combination of 3 things.

Both of the Tackle positions have not been figured out.  Gibson is being played out of position to try to compensate at the Right Tackle position, but that has led to the Right Guard position not being solid.  Simply put, 3 out of 5 OL positions not being what they need to be will lead to sieve OL play.  If Gibson would get moved back to Right Guard, then it would then become just a 2 position (Tackles) problem.  I presume moving Gibson back to Right Guard is too complicated of a basic fundamental decision for the Head Coach to make.

Kurt Anderson has probably oversaturated them with technique concepts.  That is probably making them think too much.  In a lot of instances, just being more physical can be more important than garbage NFL type technique.

Dan Enos' MAC conference offense has too many long developing plays.  The plays need to be more quickly developing against competent defenses.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #208 on: October 01, 2017, 05:00:12 pm »

Line isn't any good.  QB isn't any good.  Receivers aren't very good.  All there is to it. Defense is pretty weak. Bama can hang 70 on us. 

You are so far out in left field. Maybe you need to start writing a column for Saturday Down South.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #209 on: October 01, 2017, 05:02:27 pm »

You are so far out in left field. Maybe you need to start writing a column for Saturday Down South.

What I get wrong?
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #210 on: October 01, 2017, 05:03:26 pm »

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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #211 on: October 01, 2017, 05:04:40 pm »

You are so far out in left field. Maybe you need to start writing a column for Saturday Down South.

Agreed. AA wasn't sacked at all yesterday and the offensive line opened up gaping holes for the running game allowing the offense to amass over 400 yards total offense and 43 points.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #212 on: October 01, 2017, 05:06:01 pm »

Agreed. AA wasn't sacked at all yesterday and the offensive line opened up gaping holes for the running game allowing the offense to amass over 400 yards total offense and 43 points.

I wasn't just speaking to yesterdays game.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #213 on: October 01, 2017, 05:06:42 pm »

2-1/2 out of 3.

Okey Dokey.  Enjoy your fantasy world, where everyone drinks free bubalub and Austin Allen is a pro prospect.  lol
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #214 on: October 01, 2017, 05:07:33 pm »

Kurt Anderson
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #215 on: October 01, 2017, 05:09:42 pm »

I’m still trying to get past “NFL type garbage technique” mentioned in a post above.  Technique tips the scale in your favor when your aren’t phyiscally dominant.  When you are physically dominant, it makes you more so.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #216 on: October 01, 2017, 05:15:00 pm »

Yep, Kugler "stepped down".

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/10/1/16352378/sean-kugler-fired-utep-coach.

Please..... hire him as a consultant and move him into the offensive line position soon.



I actually tweeted this when I saw the news.  You have a chance to upgrade, take it.  Let him be the guy but let Anderson keep the title until the end of the year and then when the coaching carousel goes into effect Anderson should be able to find a job. Kugler is too good not to pick up.  Besides Anderson is used to being the assistant to the assistant.  Bet Kugler's experience at UTEP would also be beneficial in recruiting Texas, no he was recruiting 4 and 5 * kids but I'm sure he has a decent knowledge of the Texas HS scene and contacts and relationships.  Would be an upgrade in position coaching and recruiting.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #217 on: October 01, 2017, 05:18:13 pm »

Okey Dokey.  Enjoy your fantasy world, where everyone drinks free bubalub and Austin Allen is a pro prospect.  lol

That's a typically childish comment when you have nothing better to add than just a negative comment. Pile on by all means, it is easy, stylish and in vogue. Incorrect, but you will be, "one of the guys".
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #218 on: October 01, 2017, 05:27:12 pm »

I’m still trying to get past “NFL type garbage technique” mentioned in a post above.  Technique tips the scale in your favor when your aren’t phyiscally dominant.  When you are physically dominant, it makes you more so.

Sam Pittman taught them to be physical and to push defenders down the field.

Kurt Anderson is infatuated with NFL technique.  That has come at the expense of physicality.  There isn't enough time at the NCAA level (hours limitation per week) to be trying to teach and get fancy with NFL technique.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #219 on: October 01, 2017, 05:28:38 pm »

That's a typically childish comment when you have nothing better to add than just a negative comment. Pile on by all means, it is easy, stylish and in vogue. Incorrect, but you will be, "one of the guys".

How drunk are you? 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #220 on: October 01, 2017, 05:31:22 pm »

Are you drunk enough that you think the Hogs have such a good team that I am the nut for thinking they aren't very good?   Or are you just insane?   
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #221 on: October 01, 2017, 05:34:07 pm »

I wasn't just speaking to yesterdays game.

They did pretty well against A&M too.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #222 on: October 01, 2017, 05:35:00 pm »

Everyone is understandably hyper sensitive about the oline right now and picking it apart. As a unit the subpar play has earned the scrutiny, but we also need to recognize we may be a bit over-conscious of it too.

I'd tend to compare yesterday with what we saw against FL A&M. A lesser opponent than NMS that had a lot more success pressuring Allen. They got a sack and were consistently harassing him. NMS wasn't nearly as effective. I'd assess that as improvement, granted we still need to see improvement vs an SEC opponent, but improvement nonetheless.  We'll see how things go vs SC.

Im a bit more optimistic about our chances for this season after watching yesterdays games. We still have our problems but certainly no worse than a few others in west. Lots of winnable games still to play.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #223 on: October 01, 2017, 05:36:54 pm »

Sam Pittman taught them to be physical and to push defenders down the field.

Kurt Anderson is infatuated with NFL technique.  That has come at the expense of physicality.  There isn't enough time at the NCAA level (hours limitation per week) to be trying to get teach and get fancy with NFL technique.

Pittman recruited to that style and when he was told that the offense was going in another direction (mobility) for Enos’ offense, he left.  They don’t get the 6’6”, 350 guys anymore.  Pittman left and they scrambled to get Heinrich out of HS and Rauelrson as a Grad transfer, and Malone and Ramirez from a Juco.  When Anderson went out an got a class signed, it was Clary, Adcock, Clenin, and Wagner.  That’s 6’5”, 6’5”, 6’6”, and 6’9” all between 285 and 315.  This is what the OC wants.  Mobility with good technique.  Clones of Ragnow.  Clenin will be a beast. 

I’m excited that they seem to have lined up the playbook.  They haven’t scratched the surface of what Enos did at Central Michigan.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #224 on: October 01, 2017, 06:12:22 pm »

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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #225 on: October 01, 2017, 06:20:56 pm »

My biggest concern is they (coaches) seem so unsettled about who to play and where.. it  makes me wonder if they learned anything from last year or during Spring and Fall camp... that said, I don't think it's been the OL's fault.. they've probably been the most consistent unit.. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #226 on: October 01, 2017, 06:25:12 pm »

A combination of 3 things.

Both of the Tackle positions have not been figured out.  Gibson is being played out of position to try to compensate at the Right Tackle position, but that has led to the Right Guard position not being solid.  Simply put, 3 out of 5 OL positions not being what they need to be will lead to sieve OL play.  If Gibson would get moved back to Right Guard, then it would then become just a 2 position (Tackles) problem.  I presume moving Gibson back to Right Guard is too complicated of a basic fundamental decision for the Head Coach to make.

Kurt Anderson has probably oversaturated them with technique concepts.  That is probably making them think too much.  In a lot of instances, just being more physical can be more important than garbage NFL type technique.

Dan Enos' MAC conference offense has too many long developing plays.  The plays need to be more quickly developing against competent defenses.

In summary, not sure we have any SEC caliber OT's. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #227 on: October 01, 2017, 06:28:32 pm »

It started w Samantha Pittman and ended with Kurt Anderson

Samantha Pittman??

Keep in mind that Sam Pittman recruited and landed Frank Ragnow.

Doubtful Kurt Anderson will land another Ragnow type of an Offensive Lineman.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #228 on: October 01, 2017, 06:30:25 pm »

Are you drunk enough that you think the Hogs have such a good team that I am the nut for thinking they aren't very good?   Or are you just insane?   

No, I think that a lot of you feed off of each other and hyper-react. Nothing is as bad as some of you want to make it seem, it also isn't as good as some others might want to believe. We have work to do on the O-Line, but no one would be judging them so harshly if we had more experienced receivers who knew how to execute patterns and get open earlier. Then AA wouldn't be standing there waiting for them to break free because he wants to complete every throw.

In all but one game we have exceeded 200 yards rushing and after 4 games we are averaging 4.8 Yds/rush. That's not bad especially given the fact that Whaley is a young Soph. and still learning and Chase Hayden has very few snaps under his belt. Glad we have David. He's been an asset.

Still, we aren't perfect on the O-Line in pass pro, but as I have said before, half the Sacks that we have can't be attributed to the O-Line. RB's and TE's have missed on their pass pro and then AA is trying to wait until the last second to try to give the younger receivers a chance to get open. That leads to more hits on the QB. That's just how it is.

The defense is improved in many ways. They are more aggressive than last year but still not as consistently aggressive as we might like to see. I understand that, but they are 4 games into a new defensive scheme and still matriculating. You aren't going to see a refined product 4 games into a new scheme. In fact everyone on this board was discussing that every thing before the season started, yet here we are 4 games in and it has turned to, "woe is me, we suck".

And AA is a good QB but he is just doing the same thing that he did at the last part of last season, trying to put the whole team on his back and taking shots that he doesn't need to take. He's one of the best in the SEC if he can just learn to throw it away and live to play another play. Of course the receivers as a whole (not just 1, 2 or the occasional 3) need to get their act together and help out. That will open up the TE passing game and the run game even more.

So yeah, it's just my opinion but I think you are way off the mark along with anyone who thinks that way. We aren't that far from being a far better and more consistent team and if the defense can be just average, they will give us an opportunity to win 8 or 9 this year. But I will say that from a scheming standpoint on offense, we have to stop playing so conservative in the second half of games and continue to put the foot on the gas.

That's my two cents.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #229 on: October 01, 2017, 06:35:23 pm »

I’ve always like the Enos playbook.  My hope is that we continue to see more of it.  Against TCU, And anyone else for that matter, I wish they would spread things out rather than compress the line of scrimmage in the red zone. They aren’t 340 across the board anymore and can’t just go straight downhill against 8 man fronts.  4 for 4 in the red zone yesterday is a huge step in the right direction.

completely agree on spreading things out. let the backs do some of the work. hell, throw in some zone read.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #230 on: October 01, 2017, 06:37:35 pm »

Our line lacks athletes.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #231 on: October 01, 2017, 06:38:25 pm »

No, I think that a lot of you feed off of each other and hyper-react. Nothing is as bad as some of you want to make it seem, it also isn't as good as some others might want to believe. We have work to do on the O-Line, but no one would be judging them so harshly if we had more experienced receivers who knew how to execute patterns and get open earlier. Then AA wouldn't be standing there waiting for them to break free because he wants to complete every throw.

In all but one game we have exceeded 200 yards rushing and after 4 games we are averaging 4.8 Yds/rush. That's not bad especially given the fact that Whaley is a young Soph. and still learning and Chase Hayden has very few snaps under his belt. Glad we have David. He's been an asset.

Still, we aren't perfect on the O-Line in pass pro, but as I have said before, half the Sacks that we have can't be attributed to the O-Line. RB's and TE's have missed on their pass pro and then AA is trying to wait until the last second to try to give the younger receivers a chance to get open. That leads to more hits on the QB. That's just how it is.

The defense is improved in many ways. They are more aggressive than last year but still not as consistently aggressive as we might like to see. I understand that, but they are 4 games into a new defensive scheme and still matriculating. You aren't going to see a refined product 4 games into a new scheme. In fact everyone on this board was discussing that every thing before the season started, yet here we are 4 games in and it has turned to, "woe is me, we suck".

And AA is a good QB but he is just doing the same thing that he did at the last part of last season, trying to put the whole team on his back and taking shots that he doesn't need to take. He's one of the best in the SEC if he can just learn to throw it away and live to play another play. Of course the receivers as a whole (not just 1, 2 or the occasional 3) need to get their act together and help out. That will open up the TE passing game and the run game even more.

So yeah, it's just my opinion but I think you are way off the mark along with anyone who thinks that way. We aren't that far from being a far better and more consistent team and if the defense can be just average, they will give us an opportunity to win 8 or 9 this year. But I will say that from a scheming standpoint on offense, we have to stop playing so conservative in the second half of games and continue to put the foot on the gas.

That's my two cents.

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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #232 on: October 01, 2017, 06:39:33 pm »

You sure get a lot for your money...

I try to, especially when some folks just want to make a blanket statement that everything on the team is bad.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #233 on: October 01, 2017, 06:40:16 pm »

My thing is why not change the play at the line in the red zone when you see 10 people in the box.


Other than that I've been happy with the progress of the offense the last month.

good point.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #234 on: October 01, 2017, 06:44:10 pm »

I watched a lot of games yesterday, and I saw a lot of not very good offensive lines.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #235 on: October 01, 2017, 06:49:23 pm »

Yes! I think this should be the starting right side going forward.

Gibson is a guard. Put B. Wallace in the game.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #236 on: October 01, 2017, 06:51:01 pm »

I try to, especially when some folks just want to make a blanket statement that everything on the team is bad.

I understand and have been guilty myself of voicing frustration.. but this story is yet to be written, though we all think we know how it ends... We'll know a lot more about "how good we are" over the next month.. you can bet one thing for sure, some will be on here saying. I told you so..
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #237 on: October 01, 2017, 06:52:00 pm »

We saw a little more shotgun yesterday.  Hopefully that means we are planning more of that.  I understand being under center to really sell a handoff, but in obvious passion downs, why waste time faking the handoff?  We are not running a draw on 3rd and 12.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #238 on: October 01, 2017, 06:53:58 pm »

one thing i've noticed.

our tackles allow the DE or whomever is on the end, a free pass when the play is to the other side.

you can tell that it's by design.

on many such times, that free running defender ends up affecting the play.

and if you follow our tackles, they aren't off to more important blocks elsewhere. i saw it against tcu and atm.

this might somehow be acceptable offensive philosophy. if that's the case, then it needs to be changed.

i'm not talking whiffs. i'm talking about a free pass. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #239 on: October 01, 2017, 07:33:00 pm »


It's both.....slow plays, bad OL play.


Allen isn't the best at dealing with pressure either. 

Why do you care since the game was in NWA.
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Would you say th o-line, as a unit, is...
« Reply #240 on: October 02, 2017, 05:31:52 am »

Better, worse or the same as last season?
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Re: Would you say th o-line, as a unit, is...
« Reply #241 on: October 02, 2017, 05:36:18 am »

The same.
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Re: Would you say th o-line, as a unit, is...
« Reply #242 on: October 02, 2017, 06:08:59 am »

Better, worse or the same as last season?
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #243 on: October 02, 2017, 07:07:07 am »

No, I think that a lot of you feed off of each other and hyper-react. Nothing is as bad as some of you want to make it seem, it also isn't as good as some others might want to believe. We have work to do on the O-Line, but no one would be judging them so harshly if we had more experienced receivers who knew how to execute patterns and get open earlier. Then AA wouldn't be standing there waiting for them to break free because he wants to complete every throw.

In all but one game we have exceeded 200 yards rushing and after 4 games we are averaging 4.8 Yds/rush. That's not bad especially given the fact that Whaley is a young Soph. and still learning and Chase Hayden has very few snaps under his belt. Glad we have David. He's been an asset.

Still, we aren't perfect on the O-Line in pass pro, but as I have said before, half the Sacks that we have can't be attributed to the O-Line. RB's and TE's have missed on their pass pro and then AA is trying to wait until the last second to try to give the younger receivers a chance to get open. That leads to more hits on the QB. That's just how it is.

The defense is improved in many ways. They are more aggressive than last year but still not as consistently aggressive as we might like to see. I understand that, but they are 4 games into a new defensive scheme and still matriculating. You aren't going to see a refined product 4 games into a new scheme. In fact everyone on this board was discussing that every thing before the season started, yet here we are 4 games in and it has turned to, "woe is me, we suck".

And AA is a good QB but he is just doing the same thing that he did at the last part of last season, trying to put the whole team on his back and taking shots that he doesn't need to take. He's one of the best in the SEC if he can just learn to throw it away and live to play another play. Of course the receivers as a whole (not just 1, 2 or the occasional 3) need to get their act together and help out. That will open up the TE passing game and the run game even more.

So yeah, it's just my opinion but I think you are way off the mark along with anyone who thinks that way. We aren't that far from being a far better and more consistent team and if the defense can be just average, they will give us an opportunity to win 8 or 9 this year. But I will say that from a scheming standpoint on offense, we have to stop playing so conservative in the second half of games and continue to put the foot on the gas.

That's my two cents.

This is a great post. Let me ask you this, though. To my untrained eye, the offensive and defensive line as well as the receivers all seem to lack any SEC talent or speed with the past two recruiting classes aside from Agim and Ragnow. Nance went JUCO because no coach wanted him to play receiver and he looks most promising on this squad.   Do you see this improving under this staff? Recruiting and development, that is.

Either there is talent there and it's not being developed or the talent is not there to develop. If both talent and development were there, we wouldn't have this thread.

On game day, this does not appear to be a Razorbacks team and does not appear to be an SEC team. They fail the eye test, both on the sideline and in the game, to me.

While your post was spot-on, it applies to all teams at all levels on any given season without taking into account this specific team and this specific coaching staff compared to previous seasons. Do you feel like recruiting and development are going to improve under this staff based on what we've seen in the past four and a half years?

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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #244 on: October 02, 2017, 07:16:13 am »

Gibson is a guard. Put B. Wallace in the game.
Wallace doesn’t make the call adjustments and as a result isn’t in the field.  Gibson is a known  for playing guard from the Florida game forward last year,  but actually backed up Kirkland at LT in 2015.  He can play both spots on both sides. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #245 on: October 02, 2017, 07:20:16 am »

one thing i've noticed.

our tackles allow the DE or whomever is on the end, a free pass when the play is to the other side.

you can tell that it's by design.

on many such times, that free running defender ends up affecting the play.

and if you follow our tackles, they aren't off to more important blocks elsewhere. i saw it against tcu and atm.

this might somehow be acceptable offensive philosophy. if that's the case, then it needs to be changed.

i'm not talking whiffs. i'm talking about a free pass. 
Zone running plays that leave the end free are something in their scheme.  That’s the situation where the RB needs to stay with the flow and get the shirt gain rather than try to bust a big play.  A perfect example was Hayden in the TCU game on his second carry. Had 4yds on the right side but cut back to the left into the pursuit trying to make a big play.  2yd loss and he was pulled for the day.  I don’t agree he shouldn’t have gone back in, but he should have been coached up and reminded to run the play as called. Cut back at the second level, not before you reach the designed hole.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #246 on: October 02, 2017, 07:22:43 am »

Samantha Pittman??

Keep in mind that Sam Pittman recruited and landed Frank Ragnow.

Doubtful Kurt Anderson will land another Ragnow type of an Offensive Lineman.
Clenin will be that type of player.  The difference is Clenin is redshirting like every Olineman should be in an ideal situation. 
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #247 on: October 02, 2017, 08:14:16 am »

What is wrong with the OL? The answer to that question is elementary my dear. Brian Wallace isn't playing right tackle.
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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #248 on: October 02, 2017, 06:16:22 pm »

This is a great post. Let me ask you this, though. To my untrained eye, the offensive and defensive line as well as the receivers all seem to lack any SEC talent or speed with the past two recruiting classes aside from Agim and Ragnow. Nance went JUCO because no coach wanted him to play receiver and he looks most promising on this squad.   Do you see this improving under this staff? Recruiting and development, that is.


I wish I were in a position to have a better opinion on this. There is so much that many of us voice as being "truth" but not being able to be there in practice every day and seeing what these kids are doing and what they are being taught, it is difficult to make any informed judgement. Many get ticked when we say, "have to trust the staff", but who else are we going to trust? They either get it done or they don't. If they do, they'll be around a while longer. If they don't (for whatever reason), they won't. I know, it is a helpless feeling when you want to see these kids perform and for a variety of reasons that are unknown to us, they don't perform at as high of a level as we might hope. I do feel confident that it has nothing to do with desire. Every single one of these kids want to execute at the highest level possible.

On game day, this does not appear to be a Razorbacks team and does not appear to be an SEC team. They fail the eye test, both on the sideline and in the game, to me.



We say that, but this team isn't finished. I have confidence that the defense will get better most every game. Will they be "out-talented" in games against the likes of Alabama, Auburn and LSU? Sure, but obviously talent level isn't everything or else A&M would have blown our doors off and LSU wouldn't be looking the way that they are right now. That alone should be evident truth to all of us that it requires more than an enormous collection of talent. Even Ole Miss, who has had some great recruiting classes, was embarrassed by Alabama last weekend. It isn't just talent, it is the status of that equally important 6 inches between the ears and the amount of heart that a team possesses.

While your post was spot-on, it applies to all teams at all levels on any given season without taking into account this specific team and this specific coaching staff compared to previous seasons. Do you feel like recruiting and development are going to improve under this staff based on what we've seen in the past four and a half years?

I have no idea what is going to occur. Wish I did. If I could predict such things I would be royalty in Las Vegas. I know this, recruiting improves with wins. We have a built-in disadvantage in terms of recruiting which is why we have to go more "national" in recruiting. But this is the circumstance where wins are even more important to recruiting development. But again, it isn't all about talent. The "state of mind", the self imposed dedication and self discipline is a culture that is developed by the emphasis of the coaching staff, which is what we are getting from these players as influenced by this staff. But youth makes a player a little less disciplined until they learn the truth that the staff and the Sr. leadership is attempting to teach them. Often times they have to learn the hard way and the bigger the star in HS, sometimes the more difficult it is to teach at the college level. Instincts are important, but what they are accustomed to being able to do in HS, isn't going to always be as successful in the SEC. There is a learning curve, even for a kid who is a phenomenal athlete. The sooner they listen and learn, the sooner that they eclipse the "young player" mode.

Now are there also errors in coaching and schemes/game planning? Perhaps. We would have to be in staff meetings to understand the game plan and why they planned as they did and then what we actually see in games. Without having an opportunity to view and experience both on a first hand basis, it is far easier to look like a moron posting an opinion on a message board. And yes, like everyone else I have an opinion, but it isn't informed enough to be accurate since I am not privy to any of these meetings.

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Re: What is wrong with the OL?
« Reply #249 on: October 02, 2017, 06:34:25 pm »

What is wrong with the OL? The answer to that question is elementary my dear. Brian Wallace isn't playing right tackle.

Because he keeps getting the signals messed up and isn't getting it done in practice.
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