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jbcarol

Re: Does Age affect opinion about one-and-done?
« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2016, 08:28:36 am »

N.Y. Times: 'Big Boy League’ A.C.C. Rules the Final Four

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A.C.C. dominance may become the norm for the next few seasons. With a kaleidoscope of talent — from elite recruits to juniors, seniors and postgraduates — the A.C.C. has served notice that it is built for the short and long run.

“There’s so many kinds of systems and styles and the talent and the depth,” Bennett said of the conference. “It battle-tests you. It can break you a little bit at times, but you see a lot, and it does toughen you up.”

Virginia was one of four A.C.C. teams competing for the last two Final Four spots. But this year, the conference also became the first league to place six teams in the round of 16, and the first in N.C.A.A. tournament history to have at least five in the final 16 in consecutive years.

(Louisville could have been the A.C.C.’s eighth team in the tournament had it not imposed a postseason ban on itself.)

What’s encouraging about the approach to building programs at several A.C.C. universities — especially Virginia — is an emphasis on recruiting players who will remain in the program for three to four seasons. I care less about the basketball than I do about ending the obscene practice of having players on campus for a total of five months.

Over the last seven years, Bennett has become a much-needed antidote to the one-and-done model espoused by John Calipari and Kentucky. Bennett preaches building upon pillars, recruiting players just below the radar and then keeping them, helping them improve and — ideally — reaping the reward. On Sunday, it almost worked, until Syracuse ended the Cavaliers’ run with a 68-62 win in the Midwest Regional final.

Virginia is an older team, starting two seniors, a junior and two sophomores.

After five years of major programs trying to match Calipari’s one-and-done circus, it’s reassuring to see a university, perhaps even a conference, adopt and dominate with another approach: Stay the course, enjoy slow and steady growth and, with luck, reap the rewards in March.

William C. Rhoden has been writing about sports for The N. Y. Times since March 1983
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #151 on: April 01, 2016, 11:47:28 am »

Louisville not on probation, think that Syracuse gets left out
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jbcarol

Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #152 on: April 04, 2016, 07:05:06 am »

 Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 11h11 hours ago

How Villanova Succeeded Without One-and-Dones https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/how-villanova-succeeded-without-one-and-dones/170306022?tcid=tw_article_170306022



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Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello was driving one day in the spring of 2015 when his cell phone rang.

It was Villanova coach Jay Wright calling to say that the school, which was among the first to offer a scholarship to star guard Rawle Alkins during his time at the New York Catholic league powerhouse, would no longer be recruiting him.

"He said Rawle wasn't going to come in and just start because guys weren't leaving," Arbitello, who has known Wright for many years, told SNY.tv by phone from New York. "Jay was just being honest, unlike a lot of college guys."

While some consider Alkins a potential one-and-done talent, Villanova knew they would have a slew of experienced perimeter players returning in 2016-17 -- potentially including Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Phil Booth, Mikal Bridges and Donte DiVincenzo -- and wouldn't necessarily be able to offer Alkins significant playing time.

"I just couldn't see myself in a Villanova uniform," Alkins, who was also recruited by North Carolina after moving to Raleigh (N.C.) Word of God Academy, told SNY.tv. "I have the most respect for Coach Wright and Villanova and think they're playing absolutely insane but I just didn't think it fit my playing style and it wasn't the right fit."

Interestingly, Villanova assistant Ashley Howard told SNY.tv that Villanova just hasn't had the "litmus test' yet of a potential one-and-done player coming into the program.

"If it fit we would take those guys but we just haven't had the litmus test yet," Howard said in the Villanova locker room on Sunday. "If we had a guy that came in and it was the right fit at the right time then I think we would be able to do it."

Instead, he said, Villanova opts to rely on the players they already have, giving them room to improve over time.

"I think a lot of times with recruiting now, guys look to see which guys are leaving which programs so it's almost like a perfect fit [for them]," Howard said. "We have guys that are in the program so they may not necessarily be the fit but if it was the right fit I think we would take a kid [who might be one-and-done] if he fit a need of ours."

A year ago, Duke won the national championship with three eventual one-and-dones in Jahlil Okafor, Justise Winslow and Tyus Jones.

But that's not how Villanova rolls, not at all.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #154 on: April 07, 2016, 06:26:34 am »

https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/717471798300917760

And only three NC's to show for it not including 2010. That 15 for UK and only one NC is very telling.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #155 on: June 19, 2016, 08:29:29 am »

https://twitter.com/wildcatnews/status/744169307643482113

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In the 2005 NBA labor negotiations, former commissioner David Stern won a key provision. The new collective bargaining agreement mandated that draft prospects be at least 19 years old and a year removed from high school.

Now a decade old, the one-and-done rule is no less controversial. Here are three perspectives on its impact:

A glossary of key one-and-done terms

NCAA -- The good shepherd. Billion-dollar "non-profit organization." Steward of "amateurism."


NBA: A rule designed to protect owners from themselves

Yes, a 19-year-old Kevin Garnett had skipped college, warranting a lottery pick in 1995, opening the gates for Kobe Bryant the next year and Tracy McGrady the year after that. But with a growing gallery of perceived busts -- from Korleone Young (1998) to Jonathan Bender (1999) to Darius Miles (2000) -- Stern and the owners, Jordan included, advocated for a rule change to stem the tide.

Never mind that the pipeline from high school to the NBA would soon deliver LeBron James. In the ballroom, Jordan lamented what he saw as the league's sinking standard of professionalism. Fellow attendees recall him explaining that these high schoolers were too unpredictable to scout, badly needed to learn fundamentals, even that they threatened disaster, both on and off the court.

Of course, less than five months later, Washington found itself in possession of the No. 1 pick in the 2001 NBA draft. And Jordan could not help but select ... out of Glynn Academy in Brunswick, Georgia ... Kwame Brown.


College basketball: Duke, Kentucky's disparate approaches converge

By Eamonn Brennan

A DECADE ON, the one-and-done-era has now had a profound impact on the NCAA, which was a mere bystander to its inception.

The same authority that once prevented Lew Alcindor from playing on the varsity as a freshman has now crowned two of its past five national champions (Kentucky in 2012 and Duke in 2015) led primarily by one-and-dones. Kevin Durant, Greg Oden, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, John Wall, and DeMarcus Cousins ruled upon arrival. In 2010, the media made Harrison Barnes the first freshman preseason Associated Press All-American in college basketball history. Three more (Andrew Wiggins, Jahlil Okafor and Ben Simmons) have since joined. And only once in the decade since -- in 2009, when Oklahoma sophomore Blake Griffin went to the Clippers -- has a one-and-done freshman not been the No. 1 overall pick.

John Calipari...
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jbcarol

Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2016, 09:17:45 am »

 SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 14h14 hours ago

This is the 5th time in the Common Draft era that each of the top 3 picks has been a freshman.

All of those years have come since 2008.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #157 on: June 26, 2016, 10:04:39 am »

Chad Ford, ESPN’s analyst of NBA drafts: “What players do at 19 is actually a very strong indicator of what they’re going to do at the NBA (level). Guys that don’t figure it out until they’re 20, 21, 22 can struggle more in the NBA. … They end up topping out in college basketball.”

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Ford said he liked Jamal Murray more than Buddy Hield as a prospect. One reason is age: At 19, Murray is perceived as having a greater “upside” than Hield, who is 22.

What players do at 19 is actually a very strong indicator of what they’re going to do at the NBA (level),” Ford said on a teleconference earlier this month. “Guys that don’t figure it out until they’re 20, 21, 22 can struggle more in the NBA. … They end up topping out in college basketball.”

At 19, Murray averaged 20.0 points, the highest average for any player in John Calipari’s seven seasons as UK coach. Hield averaged 7.8 points as a freshman.

Former UK star Rex Chapman wondered if Ford’s rating of Hield contradicted this general assessment. Was Hield much better positioned in the mock draft this year than last year?

He was. In his 2016 mock draft updated early last week, Ford had Hield being taken with the No. 8 pick. Hield was not among Ford’s top 30 prospects going into the 2015 NBA Draft.

Then in the draft, New Orleans took Hield with the sixth pick, while Murray went seventh to Denver.

Youth-is-served has not always been the NBA philosophy. Chapman recalled feeling like he was at a disadvantage as the youngest player in the 1988 draft and in the first few seasons of his pro career.

“I can remember trying to grow facial hair, thinking it will help me get calls from the referees,” he said.

It was a different time.

It was a better time.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #159 on: October 24, 2016, 08:24:12 am »

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA Oct 20

Among items that will be in final CBA agreement: NBA's "one-and-done" college draft rule will remain in place, sources tell @TheVertical.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #160 on: June 03, 2017, 07:49:14 am »

Could the one-and-done era in college basketball finally be nearing an end? If so, SEC commissioner Greg Sankey thinks he and his conference would be happy.

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“My sense is it’s not working for anyone,” Silver said Thursday before Game 1 of the NBA Finals. “It’s not working for the college coaches and athletic directors I hear from. They’re not happy with the current system. And I know our teams aren’t happy either, in part because they don’t necessarily think the players who are coming into the league are getting the kind of training that they would expect to see.”

Silver didn’t propose a solution, whether it be allowing high school players in the draft, or extending the rule to having players spend two or more years in college.

Sankey, speaking at the end of SEC meetings in Destin, said he hadn’t seen Silver’s statement but based on what he was told he liked it.

“I think we would welcome longer stays,” Sankey said. “In fact, I know we’d welcome longer stays. If there’s a change to the one-and-done rule, that has to be made between the NBA and the NBA players association, and we understand and respect that.”

Sankey hearkened back to his college days in upstate New York, when he would watch star upperclassmen competing in the Big East.

“You’d see Patrick Ewing and Rony Seikaly in that setting. And we had it here [in the SEC] for two to three to four years. That created some pretty special moments,” Sankey said. “We’re going to deal with the system we have. It’s almost like football recruiting: You have a system, you learn it and you make decisions on how you operate and proceed. So, we’ll do that for now and see what might develop at the NBA level.”

The 2017 NBA Draft is June 22. In its latest mock draft, SEC Country projects two Kentucky players among the top 5 picks. Both Malik Monk and De’Aaron Fox spent one season with the Wildcats. Nine of the top 10 players in the mock draft were college freshman last season; the other played in France.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #161 on: March 31, 2018, 01:56:14 pm »

ESPN Stats & Info
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Only two National Champions in the "one-and-done era" (since 2006) started a one-and-done player.
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Re: How To Fix The One And Done Rule
« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2018, 12:13:20 pm »

ESPN Stats & Info
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Only two National Champions in the "one-and-done era" (since 2006) started a one-and-done player.


One of the most interesting posts on the subject.
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