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Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger.  I have played one at times, just keep the discussion going, but stopped posting regularly when the conversation got stale.  The following is in NO WAY an endorsement of Nutt, or an expression of a desire for him to stay.

HOWEVER, I have heard from alot of people that HDN has ruined Arkansas Football, that he has taken us down, etc...  I don't believe the facts back this up.  (I'm talking about on the field here, not the obvious mess he has made off the field).  I know it is time for a change, I know that HDN can not take us to the next level where we all want to be.  But, once the smoke has cleared, maybe we can see that he put us in position for the 'right guy' to come in and take us there. 

So, when someone asks, "what has he done wrong," anyone on Hogville has plenty of ammo.  Here are some potential answers to "What has he done to demonstrate he's a good (not great) coach"

Since this year is not over, we will stick to the facts through last season (source, 2006 media guide):

Through the End of Last Year:

The 8 years before HDN, 38-51, 2 bowl bids
HDN's first 9 years, 67-44, 7 bowl bids (get ready to make it 8 of 10)

Before HDN, 19 SEC wins in 6 years (3.2 per year)
HDN's 38 SEC wins in 9 years (4.3 per year)

SEC Record before HDN, 19-27-2 (.417)
HDN's SEC Record 38-34 (.528) (end of last year)

1997 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 42,340
1998 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 49,480
1999 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 51,948 (23% increase in 2 years, gift for expansion announced...)

Bowl Apperances 1934 - 1997 28 total (once every 2.25 years) Record of 9-16-3 (.375)
Bowl Apperances under HDN - 7 total (once every 1.29 years) Record of 2-5 (.286)
Last Bowl Win Before HDN - 1985 Holiday Bowl, Dec 22, v. Arizona State, Hogs won 18-17

Of 29 U of A Coaches, HDN is 7th in win percentage, 1st out of 3 since we joined the SEC.

U of A Records during his tenure:

*Rushing Yards Gained, Game - 1 of top 2 (techincally 2 of top 3 at end of this year...)
1) Dickey Morton v. Baylor, 271, 1973
2) Fred Talley v. Auburn, 241, 2002
(We all know DMac goes #1 w/ SC, 391, 2007)


*Rushing Yards Gained, Season - 2 of top 3
1) Darren McFadden, 1647, (284 rushes, 14 td), 2006
2) Madre Hill, 1387, (307 rushes, 15 td), 1995
3) Cedric Cobbs, 1320, (227 rushes, 10 td), 2003

*Yards per Rush, Career - Top 3
1) Felix Jones, 7.09 (253 rushes, 1794 yards, 2005-2006)
2) Matt Jones, 6.64 (382 rushes, 2535 yards, 2001-2004)
3) Darren McFadden, 6.00 (460 rushes, 2760 yards, 2005-2006)


*100 yard Rushing Games, Season  - top 2
1) Darren McFadden, 7, 2006
1) Cedric Cobbs, 7, 2003


*100 yard Rushing Games, Career - 3 of top 5
1) Ben Cowins, 16, 1975-78
2) Dickey Morton, 15, 1971-73
3) Darren McFadden, 12, 2005-2006 (soon to be #1)
4) Cedric Cobbs, 11, 1999-2003
4) Fred Talley, 11, 1999-2003


For the passing records, we'll count Clint Stoerner as 1/2 since he had 2 years with Nutt and 2 with Ford

*Pass attempts, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 3
1) Clint Stoerner, 1023, 1996-1999
2) Barry Lunney Jr, 856, 1992-1995
3) Matt Jones, 755, 2001-2004

*Pass Completions, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 3
1) Clint Stoerner, 528, 1996-1999
2) Barry Lunney Jr, 476, 1992-1995
3) Matt Jones, 417, 2001-2004

*Completion %, Career, (min 200 attempts) - 2 out of top 5
1) Bill Montgomery, .560 (337-602) 1968-70
2) Robby Hampton, .556 (170-306) 1999-2000
2) Barry Lunney Jr., .556 (476-856), 1992-95
4) Quinn Grovey, .555 (292-526), 1987-90
5) Matt Jones, .552 (417-755), 2001-2004

*Passing Yards, Game - 4 out of top 11

*Passing Yards, Season  - 3 out of top 7 (counting Clint's years as 1/2 each under HDN)
1) Clint Stoerner, 2629, 1998 (count as 1/2)
2) Clint Stoerner, 2347, 1997 (doesn't count for HDN, Danny's year)
3) Clint Stoerner, 2293, 1999 (count as 1/2)
4) Joe Ferguson, 2203, 1971
5) Barry Lunney Jr., 2181, 1995
6) Matt Jones, 2073, 2004
7) Matt Jones, 1917, 2003


*Passing Yards, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 2
1) Clint Stoerner, 7422, 1996-99
2) Matt Jones, 5857, 2001-04


*TD passes - Game
There are 6 games in which the QB threw 4 TD's, 2 are during HDN's time (Matt in 2004, Robby Hampton in 2000, both against ULM)
There are 28 games in which the QB threw 3 TD's, 15 are during HDN's time

*TD passes, Season - 5 of the top 7 (counting Clint's years as 1/2 each)
1) Clint Stoerner, 26, 1998
2) Clint Stoernet, 19, 1999
3) Matt Jones, 18, 2003

3) Quinn Grovey, 18, 1990
5) Matt Jones, 16, 2002
6) Matt Jones, 15, 2004
7) Robby Hampton, 13, 2000


*TD passes, Career - 1 1/2 of the top 2
1) Clint Stoerner, 57, 1996-99
2) Matt Jones, 53, 2001-04

3) Barry Lunney Jr., 33, 1992-95

*Ints - Game
There is one game with 6 int's, one with 5, and three with 4.  None are during HDN's time.
There are 14 games with 3 int's.  3 are during HDN's time.

*Repceptions, Game - 1 of top 7 (George Wilson had 9 v. Kentucky in 2003)

*Receptions, Season - 4 of the top 9 (1 of top 3, Boo Williams had 52 in 2000)

*Receptions, Career - 3 1/2 of the top 6 (counting Anthony Lucas as 1/2)
1) Anthony Eubanks, 153, 1994-97
2) George Wilson, 144, 2000-03
3) Anthony Lucas, 137, 1995-99
4) Richard Smith, 135, 2000-03

5) J.J. Measors, 134, 1992-95
6) Marcus Monk, 122, 2004-06

*Recieving yards, Game - 6 of top 12, highest rank - 3rd

*Recieving yards, Season - 7 of the top 14, highest rank - 1st

*Recieving yards, Career - 2 1/2 of top 4
1) Anthony Lucas, 2879, 1995-99
2) Anthony Eubanks, 2440, 1994-97
3) George Wilson, 2151, 2000-03
4) Marcus Monk, 2007, 2004-2006


*TD Receptions, Season - 1 1/2 of top 2 (7 1/2 of top 13)
1) Marcus Monk, 11, 2006
2) Anthony Lucas, 10, 1998
(this is Lucas's only spot on the list, HDN's first year)

*TD Receptions, Career  - 2 1/2 of top 3 (4 1/2 of top 7)
1) Marcus Monk, 24, 2004-06
2) Anthony Lucas, 23, 1995-99
3) Richard Smith, 17, 2000-03
(George Wilson is one of 4 razorbacks with 16)

*Individual Total Yards, Game
1) Matt Jones, 372 v. Kentucky (112 rush, 260 pass, 4 TD), 2003
(get ready to put DMac up there...)

*Individual Total Yards, Season, top 2 1/2 of 3
1) Matt Jones, 2695 (662 rush, 2073 pass), 2004
2) Matt Jones, 2624 (707 rush, 1917 pass), 2003
3) Clint Stoerner, 2572 (-57 rush, 2629 pass), 1998


*Individual Yards, Career
1) Matt Jones, 8392 (2535 rush, 5947 pass, 77 TD)
(Clint is second with 7049 + 62 TD)

VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667

So, in conclusion, just because it is obviously time for the man to go, it doesn't mean that we can't admit he did some things right.  I didn't include the defensive records b/c, 1) most people critize the Offense, 2) I'm tired, and 3) can you imagine how long the post would have been then??? 

Yes, the game has changed, yes, we play more games and there are more bowls now, but if you can make yourself look at these numbers and facts objectively, you should see that while HDN isn't the best we've had, he is far from the worst. 
Can we do better?  Yes.
Is Arkansas Football better now than it was when HDN came?  Yes.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 11:10:41 pm »

Last Bowl Win Before HDN - 1985 Holiday Bowl, Dec 22, v. Arizona State, Hogs won 18-17

Woo Hoo I was there. 

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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 11:12:45 pm »

Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger. 

BULLCRAP.

This is all you need to know, Hogvillians.

Carry on, and please move this to the trash where it belongs.

Thanks.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 11:13:39 pm »

Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger. 

BULLCRAP.

This is all you need to know, Hogvillians.

Carry on, and please move this to the trash where it belongs.

Thanks.
So, did you actually read it, or is it too many words...
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 11:14:56 pm »

FIRE NUTT
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 11:15:20 pm »

Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger. 

BULLCRAP.

This is all you need to know, Hogvillians.

Carry on, and please move this to the trash where it belongs.

Thanks.
So, did you actually read it, or is it too many words...

I read it.  After 10 years, WE ARE MUCH WORSE OFF THAN WE SHOULD BE because of Dale.

Yes Dale made things worse and YES you are still a hugger.

Please leave with him.  Thanks.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 11:23:28 pm »

Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger. 

BULLCRAP.

This is all you need to know, Hogvillians.

Carry on, and please move this to the trash where it belongs.

Thanks.
So, did you actually read it, or is it too many words...

I read it.  After 10 years, WE ARE MUCH WORSE OFF THAN WE SHOULD BE because of Dale.

Yes Dale made things worse and YES you are still a hugger.

Please leave with him.  Thanks.

The "we're better off now than we were 10 years ago" BS is getting old.  I promise that over the next 2 seasons, maybe 3, we will be sub .500.  We were sub .500 2 years in a row just recently.  This year will barely break the .500 mark. 

Nutt has clearly returned us to 10 years ago. 
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 11:24:28 pm »

1. 
"The 8 years before HDN, 38-51, 2 bowl bids
HDN's first 9 years, 67-44, 7 bowl bids (get ready to make it 8 of 10)"

---Here's a list of some of our non conference opponents under Nutt.
Louisiana-Lafayette, Southern Methodist, Louisiana-Monroe, Middle Tennessee State, Missouri State, Boise State (the Boise State of old), North Texas, Weber State, Central Florida, South Florida (the South Florida of old), Troy, Tulsa, New Mexico State, etc.  Your stats are a little bit padded.  Needless to say, some of those teams were played twice since Nutt has been head coach. 
Oh, and in those bowls, we are what, 2-5?

2.
"Before HDN, 19 SEC wins in 6 years (3.2 per year)
HDN's 38 SEC wins in 9 years (4.3 per year)"

---Nutt certainly improved the team from being horrible, but he basically stopped improving the team and accepted mediocrity as his standard.  Why don't you do his SEC record without 2006, when he had Malzahn as OC?  In fact, show Nutt's SEC record with AND without Gus.


3.
"SEC Record before HDN, 19-27-2 (.417)
HDN's SEC Record 38-34 (.528) (end of last year)"

See point #2, and then also do his SEC record without the Mississippi schools, which we accept as being not any good over his tenure.


4.
"VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667"

We broke even against VANDY? We have a losing record against KENTUCKY now?!  He hasn't even beaten a certain two of the SEC teams in his tenure.  Congrats, Coach Nutt!




Is Arkansas football better post-Nutt than it was pre-Nutt?  Yes. 
That's like asking this:
Is it better to drink out of a toilet pre-crap than post-crap?  Yes.
Does it still make it okay to drink out of the toilet? NO.  It's still A TOILET!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2007, 11:30:35 pm by BradyHolzhauer »
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 11:38:31 pm »

in 1934 there was 1 the Rose Bowl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_bowl_games

in 1997 there were 20 bowl games
http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0301895.html

in 2007 there are 32 bowl games
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2836420

You can't compare bowl appearances like a stat when comparing to previous coaches. If you think you can then, I would say... he dang well better be going to bowl games when 64 team now go to bowls. So you are saying in 8 of 10 years we have been in the top 64. Big whoop. It should have been 10 of 10, but he can't recruit anybody that was not born a razorback or hasn't been ticked off by some other school.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 11:45:09 pm »

I respect the research you have done in this post.  +1 for effort. 
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2007, 12:12:35 am »


One thing that gets lost in the Danny Ford era since everyone wants to use those stats to compare Nutt wonder.

Danny inherited a team that was in shambles and that was competing in the SWC.
Danny inherited the smallest stadium and worst facilities of any SEC school
No other coach at Arkansas has had to switch to a superior conference.

Now I am not a Danny Ford fan but lets give him some credit for at least laying the foundation under some pretty adverse conditions.

Problem is HDN was handed a pretty good foundation and a hungry group of kids who finaly got a taste of success.  I am pretty sure the foundation is not quite as good as what he inherited.  Time will tell on that one.

The other problem I have with the Nutt, assistant coaches.

Pete Carrol, Hayden Fry,  Joe Gibbs, Wilson Matthews, Monte Kiffen , Jackie Sherrill , Barry Switzer.  I am sure I left some out but all were pretty good assitants.

 It just does't quite seem the same as Burns, Thompson, and Hill.  Those are the only ones I can remember who left for head jobs under Nutt.

 



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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2007, 12:20:26 am »


4.
"VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667"

We broke even against VANDY? We have a losing record against KENTUCKY now?!  He hasn't even beaten a certain two of the SEC teams in his tenure.  Congrats, Coach Nutt!


That's why those stats are in red...  However, you have to admit that he is better than our tradition would indicate against Auburn, Alabama, and Tenn. 

But, you can't admit it, b/c that would mean admitting he has done something right...  Once again, this isn't a "nutt is great" post, just facts and seeing who can see the whole picture and who can't.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 01:00:36 am »

try this on for size....hogs average ranking
60's   4
70's   10
80's   16
9o's   46
20     38

so was nutt better than crow and ford, yes but that isn't saying much.....compare him to Hatfield, Holtz, or Broyles and he stinks....
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 07:25:11 am »

I agree that he has done some things good but just as Nolan, HDN's ego ruined it all.  He is not as good as he thinks he is.  Are the records better than before he came?  Yes, but it is still not on a level that I want our program to be on.  As you stated he is 500 in the SEC after 10 years.  This is not acceptable.  Time to move on.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 07:30:32 am »

He brought us back to respectability, yes, but he's now beyond his level of competence having actual expectations to win something.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2007, 07:36:42 am »

He brought us back to respectability, yes, but he's now beyond his level of competence having actual expectations to win something.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 07:39:32 am »

Nice of you to add in TX since it furthers your HUGGER point of view.  Why didn't you add in all of the BCS non-conference games under Nutt's tenure.  I guess those USC blowouts would not support your Nutthuggin'.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 07:42:48 am »

In ten seasons, he took us from well below average to only moderately below average...  If you want more, its time to find a guy that can get it done.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2007, 07:48:57 am »

Compare the talent pre Nutt to what the Hogs have/had, then compare how he wasted it due to incompetence.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2007, 08:07:58 am »

"Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger.  I have played one at times, just keep the discussion going, but stopped posting regularly when the conversation got stale.  The following is in NO WAY an endorsement of Nutt, or an expression of a desire for him to stay.

HOWEVER, I have heard from alot of people that HDN has ruined Arkansas Football, that he has taken us down, etc...  I don't believe the facts back this up.  (I'm talking about on the field here, not the obvious mess he has made off the field).  I know it is time for a change, I know that HDN can not take us to the next level where we all want to be.  But, once the smoke has cleared, maybe we can see that he put us in position for the 'right guy' to come in and take us there. 

So, when someone asks, "what has he done wrong," anyone on Hogville has plenty of ammo.  Here are some potential answers to "What has he done to demonstrate he's a good (not great) coach"

Since this year is not over, we will stick to the facts through last season (source, 2006 media guide):"



I find it incredibly interesting how you have to change the facts in order to form the topic of your debate. 

1)  Fact one:  The off the field situation is just as important, if not more, than his W/L percentage.  Character and credibility are everything in coaching.
2)  Fact two:  Let's don't look at this years performance to date.  Why not?  Does it hurt your numbers?
3)  Fact three:  Let's compare him to the past instead of comparing him with winners in the coaching ranks who emulate where we want to be. 
4)  Fact four:  You admit that he has created a mess here and can't take us to the next level, so let's forget that too.
5)  Fact five:  Your point is that Nutt has positioned us to go to the next level.  My assertion is we should have been there five years ago when he promised and everything he has done since his second year has been a move in the opposite direction.

Rick Schaeffer does that quite a bit.  Manipulate the facts, omit character flaws, and use low/low standards to win a point.

My point....He sucks, his record sucks, he has stood in the way of progress for this program and no lame attempt to skew the facts are going to change that.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2007, 08:14:48 am »

I am so glad you broke the records down vs other sec schools. By my calculations he has had us about the middle of the sec, right with kentucky and the mississippi schools. And this is a good thing??? Do you not feel that with Arkansas' prestige that we shoulda had better records vs these teams, and competed for a chance at atlanta EVERY year?

FIRE NUTT! :razorback:
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2007, 08:16:55 am »

With Nutt's recruiting failures he has left us far worse off than the team he received from Danny Ford.

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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2007, 08:17:21 am »

Houston Nutt ran off the most promising recruiting class in Arkansas football history and one of the most promising young coachs to hit college football.

We had all of the ingredients to be great, but now it just leaves a bad taste in our mouths. Happy Turkey Day Houston Nutt.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2007, 08:20:52 am »

"Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger.  I have played one at times, just keep the discussion going, but stopped posting regularly when the conversation got stale.  The following is in NO WAY an endorsement of Nutt, or an expression of a desire for him to stay.

HOWEVER, I have heard from alot of people that HDN has ruined Arkansas Football, that he has taken us down, etc...  I don't believe the facts back this up.  (I'm talking about on the field here, not the obvious mess he has made off the field).  I know it is time for a change, I know that HDN can not take us to the next level where we all want to be.  But, once the smoke has cleared, maybe we can see that he put us in position for the 'right guy' to come in and take us there. 

So, when someone asks, "what has he done wrong," anyone on Hogville has plenty of ammo.  Here are some potential answers to "What has he done to demonstrate he's a good (not great) coach"

Since this year is not over, we will stick to the facts through last season (source, 2006 media guide):"



I find it incredibly interesting how you have to change the facts in order to form the topic of your debate. 

1)  Fact one:  The off the field situation is just as important, if not more, than his W/L percentage.  Character and credibility are everything in coaching.
2)  Fact two:  Let's don't look at this years performance to date.  Why not?  Does it hurt your numbers?
3)  Fact three:  Let's compare him to the past instead of comparing him with winners in the coaching ranks who emulate where we want to be. 
4)  Fact four:  You admit that he has created a mess here and can't take us to the next level, so let's forget that too.
5)  Fact five:  Your point is that Nutt has positioned us to go to the next level.  My assertion is we should have been there five years ago when he promised and everything he has done since his second year has been a move in the opposite direction.

Rick Schaeffer does that quite a bit.  Manipulate the facts, omit character flaws, and use low/low standards to win a point.

My point....He sucks, his record sucks, he has stood in the way of progress for this program and no lame attempt to skew the facts are going to change that.

I'll be Devil's Advocate here:

Point 1-   No one really gives a damn about ethics, until they're ready to can someone.    People would give a rat's behind less if we won a National Title, but lost 3 scholarships a year for the next 3 years.      Ask Tom Osborn if he regrets recruiting thugs and winning two titles to cement his legacy as a Nebraska legend.

Point 2-  Not really.  It falls right on the average line of a Nutt season.   The SEC record is down slightly to date, but the overall W% is up slightly.

Point 3-  The past is the only semi-universal baseline;  it measures the program against itself, to measure relative performance.  When you measure by outside programs, to compare the coaches, you usually end up with the most positively optimistic aspirations rather than plausible aspirations. 

Point 4-  Given that this is a thread about  what he has done, there is no contention here.

Point 5-  The historical legacy of Arkansas football in the SEC says otherwise; the spending on the program itself has been substandard (though the facilities are done outside the budgetary process and have been well handled); the competition on the field has improved significantly during the Nutt era.


The point being that most people are ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because 12 win seasons are just a wish away, apparently.

I'm one of the skeptics who is preparing for a longer rebuilding process, not because of the talent on hand, but because there are -no- promises that the next coach will do better.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2007, 12:48:53 pm »

Unless you plan on bring jack crow back he would have a hard time doing worse....
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2007, 12:58:33 pm »

Unless you plan on bring jack crow back he would have a hard time doing worse....

You don't remember Danny Ford, either?
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2007, 12:59:18 pm »

Nutt made some improvements but he has went flat and is more of a hindrance than a Help.  Remember He is a liar, texter and a loser when it comes to Bowl games. Hooten did his best and it is not good enough.

FIRE NUTT~
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2007, 01:16:07 pm »

Yes I remember ford took over a program that was totaly in the dump....he built it back (not in the win column) but in personnel so that nutts first two years here was his easiest......look at the downfall in overall quality of the team position by positon compared to what ford left him...yes I was ready for ford to go but I did not want nutt have never wanted nutt and will never want nutt anything but gone....   
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2007, 01:19:27 pm »

Yes I remember ford took over a program that was totaly in the dump....he built it back (not in the win column) but in personnel so that nutts first two years here was his easiest......look at the downfall in overall quality of the team position by positon compared to what ford left him...yes I was ready for ford to go but I did not want nutt have never wanted nutt and will never want nutt anything but gone....   

That isn't borne out by the facts, though.

Nutt has recruited and sent on more players to the NFL than Ford did in his years here at Arkansas, even crediting Ford's last two classes, and not counting those towards Nutt.

Likewise, he's going to have 4-6 players who end up on NFL rosters at the conclusion of this year;  the claim that we're somehow less talented during the Nutt Era than we were during the Ford era simply  doesn't bear up to scrutiny.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2007, 02:37:24 pm »

How many of those players are still on roster....
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2007, 02:46:01 pm »

How many of those players are still on roster....

Far more than ever were on a Ford roster.

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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2007, 03:25:53 pm »

I can't believe anyone would take the time to try to list Houston's "accomplishments" and post them on this website. Supacrawf, I have one question:  Do you think arkansas football is headed in the right direction under Nutt's leadership? Do you think we're on a downward trend or upward trend?  Do you think if Houston's still here next year that we are actually going to have a top ten type of year?
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2007, 04:55:33 pm »

Here are some stats for you, Supa:

0 SEC Titles in 10 years
0 BCS bowls in 10 years
0 wins against Florida in 10 years
38-34 SEC record after 9 years
2-5 Bowl Record(29%) after 9 years
Nutt lost a HS Player of the Year
Nutt lost one of the best new offensive coaches in the Nation.
Refused to play a QB with a record of 8-0
Houston Nutt...the longest tenured Div 1 coach, at the same school, without a single BCS bowl appearance.
Houston Nutt...the most divisive figure in the history of Arkansas sports
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2007, 06:00:50 pm »

Let me preface this by saying, no, I'm not a Hugger.  I have played one at times, just keep the discussion going, but stopped posting regularly when the conversation got stale.  The following is in NO WAY an endorsement of Nutt, or an expression of a desire for him to stay.

HOWEVER, I have heard from alot of people that HDN has ruined Arkansas Football, that he has taken us down, etc...  I don't believe the facts back this up.  (I'm talking about on the field here, not the obvious mess he has made off the field).  I know it is time for a change, I know that HDN can not take us to the next level where we all want to be.  But, once the smoke has cleared, maybe we can see that he put us in position for the 'right guy' to come in and take us there. 

So, when someone asks, "what has he done wrong," anyone on Hogville has plenty of ammo.  Here are some potential answers to "What has he done to demonstrate he's a good (not great) coach"

Since this year is not over, we will stick to the facts through last season (source, 2006 media guide):

Through the End of Last Year:

The 8 years before HDN, 38-51, 2 bowl bids
HDN's first 9 years, 67-44, 7 bowl bids (get ready to make it 8 of 10)

Before HDN, 19 SEC wins in 6 years (3.2 per year)
HDN's 38 SEC wins in 9 years (4.3 per year)

SEC Record before HDN, 19-27-2 (.417)
HDN's SEC Record 38-34 (.528) (end of last year)

1997 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 42,340
1998 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 49,480
1999 Average Attendance @ Fayetteville - 51,948 (23% increase in 2 years, gift for expansion announced...)

Bowl Apperances 1934 - 1997 28 total (once every 2.25 years) Record of 9-16-3 (.375)
Bowl Apperances under HDN - 7 total (once every 1.29 years) Record of 2-5 (.286)
Last Bowl Win Before HDN - 1985 Holiday Bowl, Dec 22, v. Arizona State, Hogs won 18-17

Of 29 U of A Coaches, HDN is 7th in win percentage, 1st out of 3 since we joined the SEC.

U of A Records during his tenure:

*Rushing Yards Gained, Game - 1 of top 2 (techincally 2 of top 3 at end of this year...)
1) Dickey Morton v. Baylor, 271, 1973
2) Fred Talley v. Auburn, 241, 2002
(We all know DMac goes #1 w/ SC, 391, 2007)


*Rushing Yards Gained, Season - 2 of top 3
1) Darren McFadden, 1647, (284 rushes, 14 td), 2006
2) Madre Hill, 1387, (307 rushes, 15 td), 1995
3) Cedric Cobbs, 1320, (227 rushes, 10 td), 2003

*Yards per Rush, Career - Top 3
1) Felix Jones, 7.09 (253 rushes, 1794 yards, 2005-2006)
2) Matt Jones, 6.64 (382 rushes, 2535 yards, 2001-2004)
3) Darren McFadden, 6.00 (460 rushes, 2760 yards, 2005-2006)


*100 yard Rushing Games, Season  - top 2
1) Darren McFadden, 7, 2006
1) Cedric Cobbs, 7, 2003


*100 yard Rushing Games, Career - 3 of top 5
1) Ben Cowins, 16, 1975-78
2) Dickey Morton, 15, 1971-73
3) Darren McFadden, 12, 2005-2006 (soon to be #1)
4) Cedric Cobbs, 11, 1999-2003
4) Fred Talley, 11, 1999-2003


For the passing records, we'll count Clint Stoerner as 1/2 since he had 2 years with Nutt and 2 with Ford

*Pass attempts, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 3
1) Clint Stoerner, 1023, 1996-1999
2) Barry Lunney Jr, 856, 1992-1995
3) Matt Jones, 755, 2001-2004

*Pass Completions, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 3
1) Clint Stoerner, 528, 1996-1999
2) Barry Lunney Jr, 476, 1992-1995
3) Matt Jones, 417, 2001-2004

*Completion %, Career, (min 200 attempts) - 2 out of top 5
1) Bill Montgomery, .560 (337-602) 1968-70
2) Robby Hampton, .556 (170-306) 1999-2000
2) Barry Lunney Jr., .556 (476-856), 1992-95
4) Quinn Grovey, .555 (292-526), 1987-90
5) Matt Jones, .552 (417-755), 2001-2004

*Passing Yards, Game - 4 out of top 11

*Passing Yards, Season  - 3 out of top 7 (counting Clint's years as 1/2 each under HDN)
1) Clint Stoerner, 2629, 1998 (count as 1/2)
2) Clint Stoerner, 2347, 1997 (doesn't count for HDN, Danny's year)
3) Clint Stoerner, 2293, 1999 (count as 1/2)
4) Joe Ferguson, 2203, 1971
5) Barry Lunney Jr., 2181, 1995
6) Matt Jones, 2073, 2004
7) Matt Jones, 1917, 2003


*Passing Yards, Career - 1 1/2 out of top 2
1) Clint Stoerner, 7422, 1996-99
2) Matt Jones, 5857, 2001-04


*TD passes - Game
There are 6 games in which the QB threw 4 TD's, 2 are during HDN's time (Matt in 2004, Robby Hampton in 2000, both against ULM)
There are 28 games in which the QB threw 3 TD's, 15 are during HDN's time

*TD passes, Season - 5 of the top 7 (counting Clint's years as 1/2 each)
1) Clint Stoerner, 26, 1998
2) Clint Stoernet, 19, 1999
3) Matt Jones, 18, 2003

3) Quinn Grovey, 18, 1990
5) Matt Jones, 16, 2002
6) Matt Jones, 15, 2004
7) Robby Hampton, 13, 2000


*TD passes, Career - 1 1/2 of the top 2
1) Clint Stoerner, 57, 1996-99
2) Matt Jones, 53, 2001-04

3) Barry Lunney Jr., 33, 1992-95

*Ints - Game
There is one game with 6 int's, one with 5, and three with 4.  None are during HDN's time.
There are 14 games with 3 int's.  3 are during HDN's time.

*Repceptions, Game - 1 of top 7 (George Wilson had 9 v. Kentucky in 2003)

*Receptions, Season - 4 of the top 9 (1 of top 3, Boo Williams had 52 in 2000)

*Receptions, Career - 3 1/2 of the top 6 (counting Anthony Lucas as 1/2)
1) Anthony Eubanks, 153, 1994-97
2) George Wilson, 144, 2000-03
3) Anthony Lucas, 137, 1995-99
4) Richard Smith, 135, 2000-03

5) J.J. Measors, 134, 1992-95
6) Marcus Monk, 122, 2004-06

*Recieving yards, Game - 6 of top 12, highest rank - 3rd

*Recieving yards, Season - 7 of the top 14, highest rank - 1st

*Recieving yards, Career - 2 1/2 of top 4
1) Anthony Lucas, 2879, 1995-99
2) Anthony Eubanks, 2440, 1994-97
3) George Wilson, 2151, 2000-03
4) Marcus Monk, 2007, 2004-2006


*TD Receptions, Season - 1 1/2 of top 2 (7 1/2 of top 13)
1) Marcus Monk, 11, 2006
2) Anthony Lucas, 10, 1998
(this is Lucas's only spot on the list, HDN's first year)

*TD Receptions, Career  - 2 1/2 of top 3 (4 1/2 of top 7)
1) Marcus Monk, 24, 2004-06
2) Anthony Lucas, 23, 1995-99
3) Richard Smith, 17, 2000-03
(George Wilson is one of 4 razorbacks with 16)

*Individual Total Yards, Game
1) Matt Jones, 372 v. Kentucky (112 rush, 260 pass, 4 TD), 2003
(get ready to put DMac up there...)

*Individual Total Yards, Season, top 2 1/2 of 3
1) Matt Jones, 2695 (662 rush, 2073 pass), 2004
2) Matt Jones, 2624 (707 rush, 1917 pass), 2003
3) Clint Stoerner, 2572 (-57 rush, 2629 pass), 1998


*Individual Yards, Career
1) Matt Jones, 8392 (2535 rush, 5947 pass, 77 TD)
(Clint is second with 7049 + 62 TD)

VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667

So, in conclusion, just because it is obviously time for the man to go, it doesn't mean that we can't admit he did some things right.  I didn't include the defensive records b/c, 1) most people critize the Offense, 2) I'm tired, and 3) can you imagine how long the post would have been then??? 

Yes, the game has changed, yes, we play more games and there are more bowls now, but if you can make yourself look at these numbers and facts objectively, you should see that while HDN isn't the best we've had, he is far from the worst. 
Can we do better?  Yes.
Is Arkansas Football better now than it was when HDN came?  Yes.

D-Mac only got 321 Rushing Yards against SC, it was 323 at first, then they took 3 away that went to Jones and added 1 that they shorted him.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2007, 06:19:23 pm »


4.
"VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667"

We broke even against VANDY? We have a losing record against KENTUCKY now?!  He hasn't even beaten a certain two of the SEC teams in his tenure.  Congrats, Coach Nutt!


That's why those stats are in red...  However, you have to admit that he is better than our tradition would indicate against Auburn, Alabama, and Tenn. 

But, you can't admit it, b/c that would mean admitting he has done something right...  Once again, this isn't a "nutt is great" post, just facts and seeing who can see the whole picture and who can't.
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4.
"VS. SEC (Through end of last year....)
Alabama
All Time 8-9 .470
HDN 5-4 .556

Auburn
All Time 6-9-1 .406
HDN 5-4 .556

Florida
All Time 1-6 .143
HDN 0-3 .000

Georgia
All Time 3-8 .273
HDN 0-5 .000

Kentucky
All Time 2-2 .500
HDN 2-2 .500

LSU
All Time 17-33-2 .346
HDN 3-6 .333

Ole Miss
All Time 29-23-1 .557
HDN 6-3 .667

Miss St.
All Time 11-5-1 .676
HDN 8-1 .889

South Car.
All Time 9-6 .600
HDN 6-3 .667

Tennesse
All Time 3-12 .200
HDN 2-4 .333

Vandy
All Time 5-2 .714
HDN 1-1 .500

Texas (not SEC, but hey, why not...)
All Time 21-55 .276
HDN 2-1 .667"

We broke even against VANDY? We have a losing record against KENTUCKY now?!  He hasn't even beaten a certain two of the SEC teams in his tenure.  Congrats, Coach Nutt!


That's why those stats are in red...  However, you have to admit that he is better than our tradition would indicate against Auburn, Alabama, and Tenn. 

But, you can't admit it, b/c that would mean admitting he has done something right...  Once again, this isn't a "nutt is great" post, just facts and seeing who can see the whole picture and who can't.








The reason SupaCrawf didn't do the stats with out Mississippi Schools etc. is because everyone elses stats in the SEC West are padded with MS schools and we played the game.  Why don't we just pick the stats we like and we can come up with whatever we results we want.  I order to be fair and correct you have to count all the games.  We had patsy games before HDN and we will have them after.  That being said I would like to thank SupaCrawf for his time and effort.  Thanks for putting the "CORRECT" facts out there.  I agree that HDN has raised the bar from where we were, but he will never take us to the next level and his off field antics are grounds for firing!  That being said it's time for the Razorback Family to go forward, united, and without Houston and his cronies.  +1 SupaCrawf
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2007, 06:28:52 pm »

interesting numbers supacrawf.

good thing that stoerner & MJ learned how to audible.

btw, what was bo jackson's career yards per rushing attempt?
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2007, 06:34:08 pm »

from wickapedia on bo jackson:

"With 4,303 rushing yards on 650 rushing attempts, Jackson finished his career with an average of 6.6 yards per carry, which set the SEC record (minimum 400 rushes)."

it appears in the real world, both felix and MJ sur-passed bo's SEC record 6.6 ypc average.

SEC rushing records are based on 400 career rushes, however, and matt fell 18 carrys short.  unfortunately, felix wont' come close to 400 career rushes unless he gets > 147 this year

1) Felix Jones, 7.09 (253 rushes, 1794 yards, 2005-2006)
2) Matt Jones, 6.64 (382 rushes, 2535 yards, 2001-2004)

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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2007, 06:39:19 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2007, 06:46:57 pm »

add felix's year to date 2007: 114 1032 9.1

career to date:  367 carries 2781 yards 7.58 ypc

almost 1 full yard per carry over bo's SEC record.

felix will need to catch 33 carries friday to set an official SEC record, unless bowl games count???
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2007, 06:56:06 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.

To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2007, 07:00:43 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.


To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.

So is comparing medocrity to even worse mediocrity i.e HDN and Ford
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2007, 07:09:20 pm »

How many of those players are still on roster....

Far more than ever were on a Ford roster.

ford five years and nutt 10 years quite and advantage for nuttster....


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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2007, 07:11:18 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.


To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.

So is comparing medocrity to even worse mediocrity i.e HDN and Ford

No.   Ford wasn't even approaching mediocre-- and there is a very strong statistical argument to be made that Arkansas will gravitate back towards the Ford era of achievement, rather than progress ahead from the Nutt standard.

It is a distasteful idea, to believe we could do worse than Nutt, but doing better is not assured, in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2007, 07:17:06 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.


To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.

So is comparing medocrity to even worse mediocrity i.e HDN and Ford

No.   Ford wasn't even approaching mediocre-- and there is a very strong statistical argument to be made that Arkansas will gravitate back towards the Ford era of achievement, rather than progress ahead from the Nutt standard.

It is a distasteful idea, to believe we could do worse than Nutt, but doing better is not assured, in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
No, it is not assured Arkansas will do any better when Nutt is gone. What is assured is that Arkansas will still wallow around about a 4-4 conference mark with Nutt in charge.

Doing something to  improve past that pitiful average is worth the risk. There's really not much to lose...
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2007, 07:18:47 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.


To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.

So is comparing medocrity to even worse mediocrity i.e HDN and Ford

No.   Ford wasn't even approaching mediocre-- and there is a very strong statistical argument to be made that Arkansas will gravitate back towards the Ford era of achievement, rather than progress ahead from the Nutt standard.

It is a distasteful idea, to believe we could do worse than Nutt, but doing better is not assured, in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

this one you got right...with nutts recruiting we will go backwards for at least a couple of years......
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2007, 07:19:17 pm »

Comparing HDN to Danny Ford is ridiculous.

How about comparing HDN to Steve Spurrier at Florida.


To the contrary; to compare him to Spurrier is to compare things that are extremely dissimilar, and that have little commonality.

You compare apples to apples, not to grapefruit.

So is comparing medocrity to even worse mediocrity i.e HDN and Ford

No.   Ford wasn't even approaching mediocre-- and there is a very strong statistical argument to be made that Arkansas will gravitate back towards the Ford era of achievement, rather than progress ahead from the Nutt standard.

It is a distasteful idea, to believe we could do worse than Nutt, but doing better is not assured, in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
No, it is not assured Arkansas will do any better when Nutt is gone. What is assured is that Arkansas will still wallow around about a 4-4 conference mark with Nutt in charge.

Doing something to  improve past that pitiful average is worth the risk. There's really not much to lose...

That's easy to say when at 7-4.   Its a little less appealing after a pair of 4-7 seasons.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2007, 07:21:20 pm »

are you really happy with 7-4????
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2007, 07:23:16 pm »

are you really happy with 7-4????

Happy?  Heavens no.    I'm not a Nutt fan at all,  though I am painfully aware of where the historical trends say Arkansas finishes.  I want better-- but I will remain a committed skeptic of any coach who comes here, with the fan base expecting 10 win seasons every year, overnight.
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Re: The answer to "what has Houston Nutt done" as a head coach at Arkansas...
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2007, 07:27:18 pm »

I haven't seen anyone expecting 10 wins overnight.....I think most have said it will require rebuilding....Also I would say the time it would take will depend on the hire.....one thing is certain the a new coach will help unite the fan base....
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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2007, 07:29:18 pm »

I haven't seen anyone expecting 10 wins overnight.....I think most have said it will require rebuilding....Also I would say the time it would take will depend on the hire.....one thing is certain the a new coach will help unite the fan base....

Until his first loss to Ole Miss.  Or Vandy.  Or MSU.    Like it or not, the day a coach is hired is his high point in popularity, barring an unforseen championship run.      Every coach on their way out is the 'most hated ever';  whoever is next will have their day, too.
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