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Title: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
CFB Data Lab released this today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd_Q8WWV4AIN38t.jpg)

So, in 2017 the median distance from home to college was 192 miles.

Here's a map of a 192-mile radius from Fayetteville:

(https://i.imgur.com/HWDjS99.png)



This. Is. Not. A. Poor. Little. Arkiesaw. Post. I hate that crap.

I just found it interesting as it pertains to Arkansas and recruiting and distance from extremely fertile recruiting grounds. That's all.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on May 24, 2018, 04:48:56 pm
good info. look at what happens if we can cast that net from 192 to 280 tho. For the Hogs, that 280-mile radius is the key. Then we get St Louis, Dallas, Memphis, KC, OKC, Tulsa, LR , witchita, and shreveport .
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hog_Swanson on May 24, 2018, 04:49:44 pm
I see 8 major cities close to that radius.  Not bad if you ask me.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 04:52:01 pm
I see 8 major cities close to that radius.  Not bad if you ask me.

It's not bad, I agree. The problem is that our competitors are much closer to most of those major cities.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: sowmonella on May 24, 2018, 05:44:12 pm
Good find Ego. Just means we have to work a little harder.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 24, 2018, 05:53:34 pm
It's not bad, I agree. The problem is that our competitors are much closer to most of those major cities.

Good info and illustration. 

Remember that median is the middle value separating the upper half from the lower half.

It would be interesting to see the same illustration for each SEC school.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 24, 2018, 05:54:26 pm
CFB Data Lab released this today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd_Q8WWV4AIN38t.jpg)

So, in 2017 the median distance from home to college was 192 miles.

Here's a map of a 192-mile radius from Fayetteville:

(https://i.imgur.com/HWDjS99.png)



This. Is. Not. A. Poor. Little. Arkiesaw. Post. I hate that crap.

I just found it interesting as it pertains to Arkansas and recruiting and distance from extremely fertile recruiting grounds. That's all.

Did I miss the link to this? I'd like to see how it relates to other SEC schools.

Here's a link to the site that produced this information.

https://www.cfbdatalab.com/
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 05:56:45 pm
Good info and illustration. 

Remember that median is the middle value separating the upper half from the lower half.

It would be interesting to see the same illustration for each SEC school.

I definitely would've preferred the mean to the median. I know next to nothing about statistics and won't pretend like I do, but I wonder how different the average distance would be from the median distance.

And I did try to do the same for each school because I was interested in that as well. I just couldn't figure out how to change the color of each different circle, so it was a bunch of overlapping green circles lol.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: hawginbigd1 on May 24, 2018, 05:57:58 pm
It's not bad, I agree. The problem is that our competitors are much closer to most of those major cities.
I disagree which is why 18-35 is our recruiting ability unless we have a huge crop of in-state studs like 08, even then it took until 2012 for the ranking people to come back and say that was a top 10 class.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 05:58:49 pm
Did I miss the link to this? I'd like to see how it relates to other SEC schools.

https://twitter.com/redmondlonghorn/status/999747459936018432
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 24, 2018, 06:11:25 pm
https://twitter.com/redmondlonghorn/status/999747459936018432

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 06:15:23 pm
Thank you sir!

No problem. Also, this isn't the prettiest, but here are the radii for the 7 SEC West schools. Clicking the image zooms in a little bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/nEZYHu6.png)

Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 24, 2018, 06:18:29 pm
I definitely would've preferred the mean to the median. I know next to nothing about statistics and won't pretend like I do, but I wonder how different the average distance would be from the median distance.

And I did try to do the same for each school because I was interested in that as well. I just couldn't figure out how to change the color of each different circle, so it was a bunch of overlapping green circles lol.

My only point on median is that, on average, half of SEC recruits come from outside the 192 mile radius, which means we are in good shape in the major metro areas just outside of it. The best years are when the half inside are best - like 2008 and 2005.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 24, 2018, 06:19:46 pm
No problem. Also, this isn't the prettiest, but here are the radii for the 7 SEC West schools. Clicking the image zooms in a little bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/nEZYHu6.png)



+1 for Latin skills.

Dang. Check out A&M. How have they always screwed that up?
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on May 24, 2018, 07:55:42 pm
It would make so much difference if Little Rock and Fort Smith were producing but alas thatís a broken record.

Also I donít think the 192 mile radius means much in terms of NE Texas going forward under Morris...at least thatís a hope.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: HiggiePiggy on May 24, 2018, 08:29:56 pm
+1 for Latin skills.

Dang. Check out A&M. How have they always screwed that up?

All around poor management.  I think they made another mistake in getting Fisher also.  They are a dumb program.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on May 24, 2018, 08:51:50 pm
I see 8 major cities close to that radius.  Not bad if you ask me.
I guess that would depend on your definition of major city.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: sowmonella on May 24, 2018, 09:06:24 pm
Only A&M is closer to DFW and not really by that much. Well 150 miles.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Tejano Jawg on May 24, 2018, 09:10:05 pm
Nice work in this thread RME. We will have to stretch the almost-200 miles to almost-300 milesópicking up Dallas, Shreveport, KC, St. Louis, Memphis. And we really need to find a way to get into Houston. So our circle needs to be more like an ellipse.

But look at the top schools, they'll always have some key guys from way out. Bama's reach is from New Jersey to Hawaii. If we can be solid in our 300 mile radius, then get a few outsiders (someone from Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida like Alex Collins) we'll be okay.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: sowmonella on May 24, 2018, 09:11:21 pm
Nice work in this thread RME. We will have to stretch the almost-200 miles to almost-300 miles—picking up Dallas, Shreveport, KC, St. Louis, Memphis. And we really need to find a way to get into Houston. So our circle needs to be more like an ellipse.

But look at the top schools, they'll always have some key guys from way out. Bama's reach is from New Jersey to Hawaii. If we can be solid in our 300 mile radius, then get a few outsiders (someone from Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida like Alex Collins) we'll be okay.

300 miles puts DFW (322 Miles) right in the ballpark.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Tejano Jawg on May 24, 2018, 09:28:04 pm
300 miles puts DFW (322 Miles) right in the ballpark.

We've always had some success here. There's no reason Morris can't step that up.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: PonderinHog on May 24, 2018, 09:36:14 pm
Only A&M is closer to DFW and not really by that much. Well 150 miles.
Not that far in a Trans Am.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/a9/15/c7a915778f59407cbb4d9abfa65f806b.jpg)
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 24, 2018, 10:59:57 pm
Thank you all to the guys who like this stuff.

I wanted to find a cleaner way to show each other school's radius but the other software I was finding looked really messy with the overlapping circles.

But I do think this is interesting as it pertains to our location to major cities/fertile recruiting ground compared to that of our competitors. It's always discussed ad nauseam on this board, but now we can actually see it laid out in front of us.

There's no doubt that we need the state of Arkansas to produce good recruits.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Gonzo on May 25, 2018, 01:24:55 am
I disagree which is why 18-35 is our recruiting ability unless we have a huge crop of in-state studs like 08, even then it took until 2012 for the ranking people to come back and say that was a top 10 class.

Or maybe that's what happens when a pretty normal Arkansas class plays for a coach who can maximize their abilities. Hopefully the Hogs have another one, I look forward to finding out.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: King Kong on May 25, 2018, 06:39:19 am
I actually see this as a positive as the areas Chad Morris is focusing on are inside or just right outside the radius
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 25, 2018, 08:07:16 am
Thank you all to the guys who like this stuff.

I wanted to find a cleaner way to show each other school's radius but the other software I was finding looked really messy with the overlapping circles.

But I do think this is interesting as it pertains to our location to major cities/fertile recruiting ground compared to that of our competitors. It's always discussed ad nauseam on this board, but now we can actually see it laid out in front of us.

There's no doubt that we need the state of Arkansas to produce good recruits.

It would be interesting if population density and demographics could be added to the chart, e.g., via shading.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: GoHogzzGo on May 25, 2018, 08:14:27 am
No problem. Also, this isn't the prettiest, but here are the radii for the 7 SEC West schools. Clicking the image zooms in a little bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/nEZYHu6.png)

Well done. This has been a wondeful logical post to follow.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: hogginbama on May 25, 2018, 12:16:09 pm
Good find Ego. Just means we have to work a little harder.

Either work harder or move the campus to Texarkana...then we will be all over Texas and Louisiana.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: DLUXHOG on May 25, 2018, 12:18:36 pm
I see 8 major cities close to that radius.  Not bad if you ask me.

And.... 1 of them is the 4th largest MSA in the US.....
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Inhogswetrust on May 25, 2018, 12:31:03 pm
I guess that would depend on your definition of major city.

Mena?
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Inhogswetrust on May 25, 2018, 12:35:01 pm
+1 for Latin skills.

Dang. Check out A&M. How have they always screwed that up?

Aggies gonna ag. That being said they have to compete with Texas and OU and now others in the little 12. Now however they have the SEC and facilities just as good as Texas to try to attract those recruits that went primarily to Texas before.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: hogsanity on May 25, 2018, 12:38:57 pm
Now can anyone tell us how many "blue chip" recruits came out of each SECW teams circle of 192 miles? There is going to be the answer to the question. It is not just the distance, but DIFFERENCE MAKER type recruits within that circle.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 25, 2018, 01:12:25 pm
Now can anyone tell us how many "blue chip" recruits came out of each SECW teams circle of 192 miles? There is going to be the answer to the question. It is not just the distance, but DIFFERENCE MAKER type recruits within that circle.

Isn't that pretty obvious and the inferred point?

I think it's common knowledge that there are a lot more difference makers in the circles of A&M, LSU, Auburn, etc. than there are in the state of Arkansas over to OKC and up to KC.

The circles just physically show it for the first time that I've seen on this board.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: DeltaBoy on May 25, 2018, 01:14:39 pm
So once again the Hog Farmer failed to recruit well enough regardless of the talent available.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Jek Tono Porkins on May 25, 2018, 05:27:23 pm
Problem with DFW is that yeah, we're the second-closest SEC school, but it's also in UT, OU, and OSU's radius and it's the center of TCU's radius.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Dark Helmet Hog on May 25, 2018, 06:44:47 pm
Nice thread and a lot of good information. I think you can safely extend the circle to a 500 mile radius.



http://dataomaha.com/documents/husker-recruiting-changes-shrink-nus-sphere-of-influence

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/recruiting--mile-radius-will-be-nebraska-s-first-focus/article_95076ec4-a194-11e4-802b-273d4a515242.html

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/10/25/16534506/coaching-changes-2017-nebraska-Tennessee


Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bennyl08 on May 25, 2018, 07:32:07 pm
It's not bad, I agree. The problem is that our competitors are much closer to most of those major cities.

The biggest thing that I see in that data is that top recruits are becoming increasingly willing to travel further away and are less and less likely to stay close.

Meaning, proximity is becoming less and less of a factor. With technology and video calls and os on, it's easier on people to be farther away from their family is something I'd guess plays a role in that.

The good news for us is that it means that top recruits are going to be increasingly more likely to come here rather than go to their local school. However, as we've seen with some of our top players, they are less likely to go to the UA simply because it's the premier local school.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hugo Bezdek on May 26, 2018, 03:33:09 pm
I think this says a lot about the density of recruits in the southeast. Here's a post from December with a link in it which shows that nationally the average distance is a lot higher (512 mi.). http://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=653673.msg11278169#msg11278169 (http://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=653673.msg11278169#msg11278169)

One thing that was really interesting to me looking at the 500 mi. radius was the number of P5 programs within 500 mi. of the hotbed recruiting areas. Atlanta, for instance, has 21 P5 schools within 500 mi., but Dallas has 10, and Houston 7. That says a lot about the change in emphasis in our recruiting focus.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 26, 2018, 03:37:22 pm
I think this says a lot about the density of recruits in the southeast. Here's a post from December with a link in it which shows that nationally the average distance is a lot higher (512 mi.). http://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=653673.msg11278169#msg11278169 (http://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=653673.msg11278169#msg11278169)

One thing that was really interesting to me looking at the 500 mi. radius was the number of P5 programs within 500 mi. of the hotbed recruiting areas. Atlanta, for instance, has 21 P5 schools within 500 mi., but Dallas has 10, and Houston 7. That says a lot about the change in emphasis in our recruiting focus.

Check this out to find the high schools that produce the most talent.

https://www.cfbdatalab.com/blog/cfb-recruiting-atlas-the-top-high-schools-for-fbs-talent
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RazorPiggie on May 26, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
How many 4 and 5 star guys are in our radius for the 2019 class? Iíd venture to guess that most of the others if not all have more.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hugo Bezdek on May 26, 2018, 03:54:15 pm
Check this out to find the high schools that produce the most talent.

https://www.cfbdatalab.com/blog/cfb-recruiting-atlas-the-top-high-schools-for-fbs-talent

Yeah, I'd say that's not shocking at all. There's a lot of talent in FL/GA for sure, but there's also a lot of quality options for those kids to pick a college from. Distance is definitely a factor. The plus side for us is that west of the Mississippi everything is more spread out anyway. There is plenty of talent in Texas and not a whole lot of quality colleges that are within a 192 miles (or 500 for that matter) of where the talent is. I think we can get the recruits we need if we stay in our lane. Recruiting the southeast is an uphill slog for us though.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 26, 2018, 04:16:50 pm
Yeah, I'd say that's not shocking at all. There's a lot of talent in FL/GA for sure, but there's also a lot of quality options for those kids to pick a college from. Distance is definitely a factor. The plus side for us is that west of the Mississippi everything is more spread out anyway. There is plenty of talent in Texas and not a whole lot of quality colleges that are within a 192 miles (or 500 for that matter) of where the talent is. I think we can get the recruits we need if we stay in our lane. Recruiting the southeast is an uphill slog for us though.

Well yeah I agree, but even though Texas has more HS players than any state in the country, it seems like Florida produces more FBS players. Still, we don't need them all, we just need a few and while our better battle is in Texas, we would be remiss to not spend time in Florida/the southeast as well.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 26, 2018, 04:25:37 pm
How many 4 and 5 star guys are in our radius for the 2019 class? Iíd venture to guess that most of the others if not all have more.

How many 4 and 5 guys in our radius do the recruiting services know about?
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: GoHogs1091 on May 26, 2018, 06:33:25 pm
good info. look at what happens if we can cast that net from 192 to 280 tho. For the Hogs, that 280-mile radius is the key. Then we get St Louis, Dallas, Memphis, KC, OKC, Tulsa, LR , witchita, and shreveport .

Kansas City and St. Louis are not that much of a necessity for us.

I have often maintained the following is all we really have to do.

State of Arkansas
Tulsa, Muskogee, and Lawton
DFW (including Allen and McKinney)
Tyler TX and Longview, TX
Wichita Falls, TX
Lufkin, TX
Monroe, LA, Ruston, LA, Bastrop, LA and Shreveport, LA
Memphis, TN
Olive Branch, MS
Greenville, MS
Specific Junior Colleges in Kansas (Hutchinson C.C. and Garden City C.C.)
Specific Junior Colleges in Texas (Blinn College and Navarro College)
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 26, 2018, 06:47:02 pm
Kansas City and St. Louis are not that much of a necessity for us.

I have often maintained the following is all we really have to do.

State of Arkansas
Tulsa, Muskogee, and Lawton
DFW (including Allen and McKinney)
Tyler TX and Longview, TX
Wichita Falls, TX
Lufkin, TX
Monroe, LA, Ruston, LA, Bastrop, LA and Shreveport, LA
Memphis, TN
Olive Branch, MS
Greenville, MS
Specific Junior Colleges in Kansas (Hutchinson C.C. and Garden City C.C.)
Specific Junior Colleges in Texas (Blinn College and Navarro College)

You missed a JC in northeastern Oklahoma that is closer than all the rest and produces just as many P-5 players, Northeastern A&M Jr. College in Miami, Ok.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hawghiggs on May 26, 2018, 09:07:14 pm
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MO

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=KS


How much talent  could the UofA pull from these states.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RazorPiggie on May 26, 2018, 10:06:55 pm
How many 4 and 5 guys in our radius do the recruiting services know about?

Same could be said for every area.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RazorPiggie on May 26, 2018, 10:12:03 pm
Closest area that produces enough talent is Dallas, which is outside of that radius. Youíd think KC would be good but they havenít been. Tulsa is decent but youíre fighting OU and OSU. Same with OKC. St. Louis is decent but itís not like we are going to pull 5+ kids a year out of there. We should be doing a better job in Memphis.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: ChicoHog on May 26, 2018, 10:14:42 pm
Looking at that graph it's easy to see how Auburn is sitting on a goldmine covering practically the entire state of Georgia and into Florida. 
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: LZH on May 27, 2018, 05:08:30 am
 Good job RME. We all know this in our heads but it really comes to life when it is splayed out on the screen. Tip of the hat to you, cuz.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: oldhawg on May 27, 2018, 06:38:06 am
Then their is this (averages instead of median):

"The average FBS player is 446 miles away from his hometown. Six of the first eight College Football Playoff teams currently have players below the FBS average: Clemson (263 miles), Michigan State (283 miles), Ohio State (367 miles), Alabama (381 miles; two CFP trips) and Florida State (403 miles). The CFP outliers are Oklahoma (515 miles) and Oregon (1,047 miles)."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-this-is-how-fbs-college-football-players-breakdown-by-hometown/
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: oldhawg on May 27, 2018, 07:05:14 am

A bit dated (August 2014), but still an interesting compilation of facts and opinions about college football. Notably, on "The Champs" map (#6), Arkansas is credited with having won a national championship.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/8/20/6030683/25-maps-that-explain-college-football
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: oldhawg on May 27, 2018, 07:09:59 am

Here is the full breakdown of average miles traveled by current players from their hometown to the school (August 2016 article).

https://herosports.com/news/ncaa-fbs-mens-football/college-football-recruiting-south-florida-mississippi-state-hawaii
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bphi11ips on May 27, 2018, 08:56:37 am
Here is the full breakdown of average miles traveled by current players from their hometown to the school (August 2016 article).

https://herosports.com/news/ncaa-fbs-mens-football/college-football-recruiting-south-florida-mississippi-state-hawaii

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hugo Bezdek on May 28, 2018, 10:40:09 am
Well yeah I agree, but even though Texas has more HS players than any state in the country, it seems like Florida produces more FBS players. Still, we don't need them all, we just need a few and while our better battle is in Texas, we would be remiss to not spend time in Florida/the southeast as well.

Miami is pretty much no-man's land in that there are very few programs close by. Recruits are going to have to fly to go anywhere outside of Florida so proximity is less of a factor. The problem of course is that everyone is there recruiting. It's worth having a recruiter on staff with ties to the area so we can get a foot in the door, but a mistake I think to try and build our program on Florida recruits. Houston is very similar to Miami in that there's nothing south of them and only a handful of programs within driving distance.

Another thing to consider is that the focus of the OP was top producing High Schools. I think you can also consider that talent in Texas is more distributed due to the intense support for HS football in Texas. Florida and Texas both produce high numbers of bluechip talent overall, but we are closer to Texas, draw a large number of students from there in general, and send a lot of our alumni there.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 28, 2018, 10:53:43 am
Miami is pretty much no-man's land in that there are very few programs close by. Recruits are going to have to fly to go anywhere outside of Florida so proximity is less of a factor. The problem of course is that everyone is there recruiting. It's worth having a recruiter on staff with ties to the area so we can get a foot in the door, but a mistake I think to try and build our program on Florida recruits.

I agree, you can't build your program on Florida recruits. That just isn't realistic. What we need is for Morris to come in and find a way to "do more with less" initially and get us back to winning more than we lose. As that happens, continue recruiting Arkansas and the border states hard for the best that we can land to fill out 75% of our 25 man allotment (20 players) and then carefully use those other 5 scholarships to reach out to true top end difference makers from outside our bordering states, whether that is Georgia, Alabama, Florida, California or from other HS's and JC's outside our bordering states. The more we win, the more we will become a household name among HS and college football circles, the more interest we will gain from recruits outside our regional area. But make no mistake, Morris has to find a way to win more than he loses and in the process, should he lose, not get blown out. That's how you begin to change the existing paradigm.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: DLUXHOG on May 28, 2018, 02:29:47 pm
A bit dated (August 2014), but still an interesting compilation of facts and opinions about college football. Notably, on "The Champs" map (#6), Arkansas is credited with having won a national championship.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/8/20/6030683/25-maps-that-explain-college-football

Good, but...  gee... Princeton at 26, and Yale at 18?   On what planet has that happened?
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: oldhawg on May 28, 2018, 02:50:50 pm
Good, but...  gee... Princeton at 26, and Yale at 18?   On what planet has that happened?

A little trivia for the next HV tailgating event:

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-recognized-college-football-championships-2017-11
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Mkcmobile on May 28, 2018, 04:57:25 pm
CFB Data Lab posted more charts here:  https://mobile.twitter.com/redmondlonghorn

Although the median distance was 192 miles, it looks like 75% are from within 500 miles.  And for those in the Southeast, they stay a bit closer to home with about 80% within 500 miles.   Seems more reasonable to me to look at the 80% distance instead of the median (always have been an 80/20 guy).  The 80% radius looks much more appealing.  That brings in practically the whole states of: Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Iowa, Kansas, and Illinois.  Partial states include the northwest half of Alabama including Birmingham, the western two-thirds of Tennessee through Chattanooga, Louisville KY, Indianapolis IN, all major cities of Nebraska but one (at least on my map), and Texas including past Houston, Austin, Lubbock, and Amarillo.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on May 28, 2018, 05:14:35 pm
CFB Data Lab posted more charts here:  https://mobile.twitter.com/redmondlonghorn

Although the median distance was 192 miles, it looks like 75% are from within 500 miles.  And for those in the Southeast, they stay a bit closer to home with about 80% within 500 miles.   Seems more reasonable to me to look at the 80% distance instead of the median (always have been an 80/20 guy).  The 80% radius looks much more appealing.  That brings in practically the whole states of: Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Iowa, Kansas, and Illinois.  Partial states include the northwest half of Alabama including Birmingham, the western two-thirds of Tennessee through Chattanooga, Louisville KY, Indianapolis IN, all major cities of Nebraska but one (at least on my map), and Texas including past Houston, Austin, Lubbock, and Amarillo.

I think that if we drilled down into every recruiting class of every major P-5 school over the last 10 years we would find that some have one radius for recruiting and still others have a different radius because of their history in recruiting. Alabama doesn't have to go far to recruit most of their quality athletes because of their central location to where many of the top football athletes in the country are located. Still, they retain several scholarship offers to reach out to kids across the country that they want and these offers may extend as far as 500 to over 4000 miles. But these are the select few and the very exceptional athletes that they literally view as the "can't miss" recruits.

We are not on that level at this point so we need to make our hay within a 250-500 mile radius of our campus and make the most of those who we land. If we find success with that in terms of wins, we will be able to branch out and take greater risks with players from further away. Until then we need to make the most of the kids that we can land from bordering states (all the way to Corpus Christi if necessary) to win now and then build our recruiting program.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Hogindasticks on May 28, 2018, 09:50:23 pm
Good find Ego. Just means we have to work a little harder.
Which ia exactly what CCM and crew are doing.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Luke STYwalker on May 29, 2018, 08:54:45 am
I really like this thread, but I take the information with a grain of salt.  Truthfully look at it like this.   The Mississippi schools cast their net over much of the same recruiting radius that Bama does.  And their has been a clear difference in the talent level for decades upon decades.    Also one must point out that a large portion LSU's radius has it's recruiting talent coming from the ocean south of New Orleans.  And yet they still don't seem to be lacking much year in and year out.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: Inhogswetrust on May 29, 2018, 10:02:02 am
I really like this thread, but I take the information with a grain of salt.  Truthfully look at it like this.   The Mississippi schools cast their net over much of the same recruiting radius that Bama does.  And their has been a clear difference in the talent level for decades upon decades.    Also one must point out that a large portion LSU's radius has it's recruiting talent coming from the ocean south of New Orleans.  And yet they still don't seem to be lacking much year in and year out.

Bama historically cheats better than the Mississippi schools for recruits.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on May 31, 2018, 01:29:09 pm
Looking at that graph it's easy to see how Auburn is sitting on a goldmine covering practically the entire state of Georgia and into Florida.

Exactly right. Just scroll through this quickly and look at the amount of Ala./Ga./Fla. you see.

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/aub-m-footbl-mtt.html
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: HogPharmer on May 31, 2018, 01:32:42 pm
good info. look at what happens if we can cast that net from 192 to 280 tho. For the Hogs, that 280-mile radius is the key. Then we get St Louis, Dallas, Memphis, KC, OKC, Tulsa, LR , witchita, and shreveport .

Don't forget Ogemaw
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: DLUXHOG on June 01, 2018, 01:32:36 pm
FYI, if the Hogs wanted to absolutely own DFW (4th largest MDA in the US), they could (yes, even over UT & A&M)...
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on June 01, 2018, 09:08:53 pm
FYI, if the Hogs wanted to absolutely own DFW (4th largest MDA in the US), they could (yes, even over UT & A&M)...

Honestly, "owning DFW" is kind of a tall order. There are lots of well regarded teams that recruit that area heavily who have had a lot more success on a consistent basis in the Win column, than we have had over the last ten years.

Texas is likely on the rise again, though we will see. If they regain anything close to their previous stature in terms of wins, a lot of Texas kids are going to opt for them. Then there is Oklahoma and they are always going to do well in Texas and especially in Dallas. TCU isn't to be ignored, A&M is always going to get a lot of good, quality Texas kids and then Oklahoma State has built good recruiting classes out of Texas and have accomplished quite a lot with them.

Then there are the schools of greater notoriety from across the nation who come in and cherry pick highly rated athletes.

So to "own" the DFW area Arkansas is first going to have to win a lot more games and in the process, be a team that makes an impact in the highly regarded SEC West. Yes, do that and then the Hogs can start making greater inroads into the DFW recruiting base and with consistent winning at higher levels, they might come close to sharing a bigger piece of the DFW recruiting area. But "own it"? I doubt we ever see that day short of becoming the next Alabama.
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: j-mann on June 06, 2018, 09:36:36 pm
we need to hit memphis  harder  and north LA  Jackson MS  Tulsa OK  maybe even dipping our toe into Kansas JC or Wichita   
Title: Re: Top SEC Recruits and Distance from Home
Post by: bennyl08 on June 12, 2018, 07:59:24 pm
Then their is this (averages instead of median):

"The average FBS player is 446 miles away from his hometown. Six of the first eight College Football Playoff teams currently have players below the FBS average: Clemson (263 miles), Michigan State (283 miles), Ohio State (367 miles), Alabama (381 miles; two CFP trips) and Florida State (403 miles). The CFP outliers are Oklahoma (515 miles) and Oregon (1,047 miles)."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-this-is-how-fbs-college-football-players-breakdown-by-hometown/

Averages aren't very useful unless you have a pretty balanced distribution. Take somebody like Sam-Irwin Hill (hometown in Australia) or Hjalte Froholdt (Denmark iirc).

With a 100 person roster, you could have 80 people from within 200 miles, 10 within 500 miles, 8 within 1000 miles, and 2 outside of that range. That could give you a median value of say 185 miles, but perhaps an average value of 400 miles.

The median gives you a value much more representative of the data there than the average. I mean, you pick 10 names out of a hat, at least 8 will likely be less than the average, probably 9 and a decent odds of all 10.