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Title: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Hawgphat on February 04, 2018, 10:16:29 pm
- - - is now added to the QB mix.  I would ASSUME (yes; I know the pertinent, associated moth eaten, age-old inanity) that the grandson of Grandpa Jones will very likely red-shirt, barring the development of unusually dire circumstances.  What say you?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: texas tush hog on February 04, 2018, 10:18:45 pm
I have watched him play a dozen times the last couple of years. He is pretty good, I think Hogville will be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by: Irontusk on February 04, 2018, 10:52:58 pm
It all makes sense now
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Post by: alohawg on February 05, 2018, 12:48:40 am
I have watched him play a dozen times the last couple of years. He is pretty good, I think Hogville will be pleasantly surprised.

Is there any recent qb you might compare him to?
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Post by: HogimusMaximus on February 05, 2018, 12:53:34 am
Is there any recent qb you might compare him to?


Mike Ditka.
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Post by: Mike_e on February 05, 2018, 05:37:30 am
In baseball I'd compare him to a closer.

The guy you call up to keep the lid on the other team.

It might not be a bad idea either.  It'd keep the wear and tear on your starter down and make the other team have to prepare for two different QBs.
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 05, 2018, 06:01:41 am

Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Mike Irwin on February 05, 2018, 07:32:30 am
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. This kid is pretty danged salty. He makes plays, especially under pressure. There is no way at this point to know exactly how well he will make the transition to the SEC but it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It would be  a hell of story if he ever wins the job.
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Post by: nchogg on February 05, 2018, 07:46:39 am
What impressed me was his vision of the field and quick thinking.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hawgon on February 05, 2018, 07:51:18 am
Everyone talks about what a gamer he is and how he makes plays, and he does, but that somewhat undersells his actual talent.  He has good arm strength and throws a nice tight spiral that gets where it is going and is catchable when it gets there.
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Post by: mizzouman on February 05, 2018, 08:00:58 am
Is there any recent qb you might compare him to?
Very Chase Daniel like. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 05, 2018, 08:22:37 am
Very Chase Daniel like. 
Another 5' 11" Dynamo...
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 05, 2018, 08:28:30 am
Is there any recent qb you might compare him to?

Clint Stoerner.  He won't wow you with a Mallett arm, but he's got a good arm.  He seems to have that intangible I've heard coaches talking about for years, he plays to win.  It is too bad he will always be referred to as Jerry Jones' grandson (we should all be plagued by that, lol), because he is a player and a winner.  He's better than Casey Dick, probably as tough as Tyler Wilson, but doesn't quite have the long ball Tyler had, but that doesn't mean his arm is weak by any stretch of the imagination. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Tarheelhawg on February 05, 2018, 08:29:20 am
Wow! Just watched the highlights of the state championship game, this young man has what it takes to win.  I may get knocked for this, but he reminds me of Doug Flutie.  It was no accident that Texas Tech and SMU wanted him.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hogsanity on February 05, 2018, 08:32:16 am
Let me ask this, if his name was Jim Bob Honeycutt, and no one is his family had any relationship to the UofA, would anyone care if he came here or not?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: oldhawg on February 05, 2018, 08:37:40 am
Let me ask this, if his name was Jim Bob Honeycutt, and no one is his family had any relationship to the UofA, would anyone care if he came here or not?

IMO, even without the pedigree, Jones would be as welcomed as any other out of state quarterback that Arkansas has signed.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 08:37:55 am
Let me ask this, if his name was Jim Bob Honeycutt, and no one is his family had any relationship to the UofA, would anyone care if he came here or not?
Did you watch his highlights? Kid can flat out play. Doesn't matter what his name is or who is family is
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 08:41:48 am
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. This kid is pretty danged salty. He makes plays, especially under pressure. There is no way at this point to know exactly how well he will make the transition to the SEC but it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It would be  a hell of story if he ever wins the job.

Football is not all about measurables.  JSJ has the physical tools to play in the SEC and beyond.  54 of the 106 players on rosters in the Super Bowl were undrafted free-agents.

The NFL is full of Blaine Bishops.  Blaine was a 5'9" All-Pro safety for the Titans.  He was an eighth round pick out of Ball State.  He and many like him say that everyone in the NFL has the skills, but passion and dedication are difference makers. 

JSJ has shown the skills, but he has also shown the head and the heart to be a successful SEC quarterback.  Kliff Kingsbury knows QBs.  So does Chad Morris.  Frank Broyles loved QBs.  He signed 'em in bunches.  Steve Little was an All-State QB and DB from Kansas who Broyles recruited as a QB.  He came in with Ron Calcagni.  Bill Montgomery and Chuck Dicus were both highly recruited QBs from Texas.  All of those guys were similar in size to JSJ, and they were all great football players.  They played for Arkansas teams with a combined record of 53-9-2. 

Connor Noland and John Stephen Jones are a solid foundation for their class.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hogsanity on February 05, 2018, 08:44:49 am
IMO, even without the pedigree, Jones would be as welcomed as any other out of state quarterback that Arkansas has signed.

Not what I asked. Of course he would be welcomed, just like any other signee. I asked would fans be clamoring for him to be a signee if his name was not Jones?

Did you watch his highlights? Kid can flat out play. Doesn't matter what his name is or who is family is

I watched it, I watched his playoff game too. Lots of kids can " flat out play ". I do not follow recruiting like some of you, what is his offer sheet like? Who are the Hogs trying to get him to pass up to sign here?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: AugustaHog on February 05, 2018, 08:47:01 am
I don't know if this kid will pan out as our QB here, but I'm not going to knock him because he lacks height to be a NFL QB.  Lots of guys had success in college and were never NFL stars.  If he is a legit 5'10.5" then he is tall enough to be successful as a college QB.  Morris has looked at him for awhile and still offered.  I hope he comes in and kills it.  This would be an amazing story that would get a ton of play PR-wise with the association of his family, lightly recruited, small in stature, etc. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 08:53:55 am
Not what I asked. Of course he would be welcomed, just like any other signee. I asked would fans be clamoring for him to be a signee if his name was not Jones?

I watched it, I watched his playoff game too. Lots of kids can " flat out play ". I do not follow recruiting like some of you, what is his offer sheet like? Who are the Hogs trying to get him to pass up to sign here?

Kliff Kingsbury is enough for me.  He also had offers from SMU and Kansas.

A lot of kids can "flat out play".  Not a lot of QBs have led their teams to back-to-back 5A Texas championships. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hawg1221 on February 05, 2018, 08:57:50 am
Never seen him play. Is he similar to Johnny Manziel?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Cotton on February 05, 2018, 09:00:23 am
Football is not all about measurables.  JSJ has the physical tools to play in the SEC and beyond.  54 of the 106 players on rosters in the Super Bowl were undrafted free-agents.

The NFL is full of Blaine Bishops.  Blaine was a 5'9" All-Pro safety for the Titans. He was an eighth round pick out of Ball State.  He and many like him say that everyone in the NFL has the skills, but passion and dedication are difference makers. 

How was he picked in the 8th round of a 7 round draft?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: younghog on February 05, 2018, 09:07:36 am
Living here in DFW.. College friends and I have watched him for a few years now.. He is good for Highland Park.. and has been trained by Tony Romo.. Which you can see several of the polished areas. SEC ready not yet and may not get there with who is on the roster beside him. His height may be an issue..  However he is a baller and it should be a fun ride.

GO HOGS
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 09:11:03 am
How was he picked in the 8th round of a 7 round draft?

The NFL draft hasn't always been seven rounds.  Bishop was drafted in 1993 when there were eight rounds.  There were ten rounds in 1980. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: liljo on February 05, 2018, 09:28:38 am
That game against Manvel was something to see. What a great highlight video!

I think this kid is just a good old fashioned winner with a lot of football savvy, very high IQ, and competitive spirit. I think he'll push hard for the starting job before his days at Arkansas are over.

The best thing about this QB competition is that it ensures that whoever gets the job will have certainly earned it.

Go Hogs!
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: EastexHawg on February 05, 2018, 09:28:43 am
Morris has looked at him for awhile and still offered.

It's shocking that Morris would give a scholarship to the grandson of the man who basically "hired" him for the position.  Almost hard to comprehend.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: The NewEra on February 05, 2018, 10:02:56 am
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. This kid is pretty danged salty. He makes plays, especially under pressure. There is no way at this point to know exactly how well he will make the transition to the SEC but it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It would be  a hell of story if he ever wins the job.

Another comment from Mike that is spot on.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: The NewEra on February 05, 2018, 10:10:16 am
That game against Manvel was something to see. What a great highlight video!

I think this kid is just a good old fashioned winner with a lot of football savvy, very high IQ, and competitive spirit. I think he'll push hard for the starting job before his days at Arkansas are over.

The best thing about this QB competition is that it ensures that whoever gets the job will have certainly earned it.

Go Hogs!

I like this post.  It's critical that this team brings in young men who are winners with a don't die mentality.  JSJ is a leader and winner and regardless of whether he makes it as the starter he brings great value to the football team. 
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Post by: HogimusMaximus on February 05, 2018, 10:23:19 am
Another comment from Mike that is spot on.

THey are pretty rare, usually he just babbles.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 10:24:58 am
It's shocking that Morris would give a scholarship to the grandson of the man who basically "hired" him for the position.  Almost hard to comprehend.

Then why did other schools offer him as well? Did Jerry have a hand in hiring those coaches, too?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 05, 2018, 10:33:28 am
Then why did other schools offer him as well? Did Jerry have a hand in hiring those coaches, too?

Yes
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: kaki on February 05, 2018, 10:38:19 am
Let's see some of the possible outcomes: the young man comes and contributes, good for him and good for the Hogs; he comes, does not play but the buzz helps in recruiting down the line, good for him and good for the Hogs; and finally, he comes, does not play and it has no positive effect for the Hogs, good for him and not such a big deal for the Hogs.  Like he would be the first scholarship athlete not to work out?  He is seemingly a good kid, appears pretty grounded and humble, so the worse case I see is we have a good team player on the sidelines and in the locker room who plays very little, if any.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 05, 2018, 10:38:38 am
It's shocking that Morris would give a scholarship to the grandson of the man who basically "hired" him for the position.  Almost hard to comprehend.

Unless something has changed, Jones will be a preferred walk on here.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Hog Fan...DOH! on February 05, 2018, 10:40:21 am
I hope the kid has the time of his life in Fayetteville. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 10:47:36 am
Unless something has changed, Jones will be a preferred walk on here.
It changed. He is on scholarship
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: jkstock04 on February 05, 2018, 10:52:41 am
Kliff Kingsbury is enough for me.  He also had offers from SMU and Kansas.

A lot of kids can "flat out play".  Not a lot of QBs have led their teams to back-to-back 5A Texas championships. 
Had Morris offered/recruited him at SMU?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 10:59:31 am
Had Morris offered/recruited him at SMU?

Not sure.  He said yesterday interest picked up late in his senior year.  He had video game numbers.  61 TDs and 4 INTs his senior year.  Raleigh Williams had video game numbers, too.  When a player puts up numbers like JSJ and RWIII did against big Texas high schools, there's something there. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Jim Harris on February 05, 2018, 11:00:56 am
Football is not all about measurables.  JSJ has the physical tools to play in the SEC and beyond.  54 of the 106 players on rosters in the Super Bowl were undrafted free-agents.

The NFL is full of Blaine Bishops.  Blaine was a 5'9" All-Pro safety for the Titans.  He was an eighth round pick out of Ball State.  He and many like him say that everyone in the NFL has the skills, but passion and dedication are difference makers. 

JSJ has shown the skills, but he has also shown the head and the heart to be a successful SEC quarterback.  Kliff Kingsbury knows QBs.  So does Chad Morris.  Frank Broyles loved QBs.  He signed 'em in bunches.  Steve Little was an All-State QB and DB from Kansas who Broyles recruited as a QB.  He came in with Ron Calcagni.  Bill Montgomery and Chuck Dicus were both highly recruited QBs from Texas.  All of those guys were similar in size to JSJ, and they were all great football players.  They played for Arkansas teams with a combined record of 53-9-2. 

Connor Noland and John Stephen Jones are a solid foundation for their class.

Nice post, but I feel I should point out that Chuck Dicus was not highly recruited, he'll tell you that. He'll also tell you he was likely the last guy Broyles signed in a 50-man class in 1967. In the Metroplex his senior year, he was probably the third best QB in that area behind Bill Montgomery and Eddie Phillips (who would go to UT and be part of the 30-game win streak), both definitely highly recruited. However, a asst. coach for Broyles named Jack Davis had a fantastic eye for talent. And while Chuck at was not going to be a quarterback on the next level, Jack Davis knew he brought much more in terms of quickness, speed and mind, all at 6-feet tall, and as we know he is in the College Football Hall of Fame as a receiver.

Lots of Broyles QB signees went to the defensive side of the ball. Jerry Moore may have been the best of them all as far as college career at safety and what he did at the NFL level with da Bears.

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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 05, 2018, 11:01:51 am
Had Morris offered/recruited him at SMU?

Looks like he received an official offer from SMU on December 18, after Morris was gone.

Also looks like Morris offered him almost right away when we hired him.

I'm not sure how to find out if Morris was actively recruiting him while at SMU and just hadn't offered.

https://247sports.com/Player/John-Stephen-Jones-46039810/TimelineEvents
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Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 05, 2018, 11:05:55 am
It changed. He is on scholarship

This article says it isn't clear.  Is there an official announcement that he was offered a scholarship?

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-offers-qb-john-stephen-jones-grandson-jerry-jones
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Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 11:07:35 am
Had Morris offered/recruited him at SMU?
SMU offered him after CCM left. But he may have had interest in him while he was SMU
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Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 11:10:01 am
This article says it isn't clear.  Is there an official announcement that he was offered a scholarship?

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-offers-qb-john-stephen-jones-grandson-jerry-jones
That was written right after we offered. He was on OV this past weekend. PWO cant go on official visits
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: DeltaBoy on February 05, 2018, 11:14:51 am
- - - is now added to the QB mix.  I would ASSUME (yes; I know the pertinent, associated moth eaten, age-old inanity) that the grandson of Grandpa Jones will very likely red-shirt, barring the development of unusually dire circumstances.  What say you?

Woo Pig Sooie! He is a gamer.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 05, 2018, 11:29:22 am
That was written right after we offered. He was on OV this past weekend. PWO cant go on official visits

Thanks
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Post by: hoggusamoungus on February 05, 2018, 11:31:48 am
Kliff Kingsbury is enough for me.  He also had offers from SMU and Kansas.

A lot of kids can "flat out play".  Not a lot of QBs have led their teams to back-to-back 5A Texas championships.

Would you be happy if we had hired Kingsbury?
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Post by: TexHog188 on February 05, 2018, 11:32:56 am
Would you be happy if we had hired Kingsbury?

Yes, as an OC.
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 11:35:40 am
Nice post, but I feel I should point out that Chuck Dicus was not highly recruited, he'll tell you that. He'll also tell you he was likely the last guy Broyles signed in a 50-man class in 1967. In the Metroplex his senior year, he was probably the third best QB in that area behind Bill Montgomery and Eddie Phillips (who would go to UT and be part of the 30-game win streak), both definitely highly recruited. However, a asst. coach for Broyles named Jack Davis had a fantastic eye for talent. And while Chuck at was not going to be a quarterback on the next level, Jack Davis knew he brought much more in terms of quickness, speed and mind, all at 6-feet tall, and as we know he is in the College Football Hall of Fame as a receiver.

Lots of Broyles QB signees went to the defensive side of the ball. Jerry Moore may have been the best of them all as far as college career at safety and what he did at the NFL level with da Bears.



You’d know better than I about Dicus and recruiting. I was 7 in 1969, but I’ll never forget Dicus in The Big Shootout.  I just knew Montgomery and Dicus were both high school QBs.
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Post by: Bacons Rebellion on February 05, 2018, 11:37:23 am
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. ...

Here are the NFL quarterback heights. I hope he's Russell Wilson or Drew Brees, but his height is in the bottom tail of the curve.

https://gooddeedseats.com/all-starting-nfl-quarterback-heights/
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 11:37:25 am
Would you be happy if we had hired Kingsbury?

Huh?  Never gave it a thought. No.  But he’s coached some great QBs.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hoggusamoungus on February 05, 2018, 11:44:45 am
Huh?  Never gave it a thought. No.  But he’s coached some great QBs.

Everyone says Jerry hired Morris.  If he had wanted KK on the hill to coach his grandson, guess you wouldn't have been on board.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: LZH on February 05, 2018, 12:14:11 pm
Would you be happy if we had hired Kingsbury?

Didn't he wash out with the Bengals?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 12:19:09 pm
Everyone says Jerry hired Morris.  If he had wanted KK on the hill to coach his grandson, guess you wouldn't have been on board.

I disagree with you about what everyone says. 

I think Chad Morris was hired because he was the best candidate for the job after Gus Malzahn turned it down. I think Malzahn endorsed him.  Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?

I think Chad Morris was hired because he has been successful everywhere he's been.

I think he was hired because he is very impressive and humble in person. 

I think he was hired because he is the best person to recruit in Arkansas's footprint. 

I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury for the same reason I didn't want Leach.  You have to run the football to win in the SEC.  CCM runs a balanced two-back, play-action attack that will take vertical shots downfield.  He plays with tempo but doesn't play dink-and-dunk.  I've personally never liked the Air Raid offense.

So no, I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury.  Morris was the consensus pick of a bunch of people who know what they're doing.  I would think someone asked Jerry Jones for his opinion.  If they didn't they should have.
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Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 12:36:05 pm
I disagree with you about what everyone says. 

I think Chad Morris was hired because he was the best candidate for the job after Gus Malzahn turned it down. I think Malzahn endorsed him.  Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?

I think Chad Morris was hired because he has been successful everywhere he's been.

I think he was hired because he is very impressive and humble in person. 

I think he was hired because he is the best person to recruit in Arkansas's footprint. 

I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury for the same reason I didn't want Leach.  You have to run the football to win in the SEC.  CCM runs a balanced two-back, play-action attack that will take vertical shots downfield.  He plays with tempo but doesn't play dink-and-dunk.  I've personally never liked the Air Raid offense.

So no, I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury.  Morris was the consensus pick of a bunch of people who know what they're doing.  I would think someone asked Jerry Jones for his opinion.  If they didn't they should have.
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Post by: Hog Pharm on February 05, 2018, 12:53:32 pm
Here are the NFL quarterback heights. I hope he's Russell Wilson or Drew Brees, but his height is in the bottom tail of the curve.

https://gooddeedseats.com/all-starting-nfl-quarterback-heights/

I’d say that’s a 100% success rate.
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Post by: liljo on February 05, 2018, 12:56:01 pm
I disagree with you about what everyone says. 

I think Chad Morris was hired because he was the best candidate for the job after Gus Malzahn turned it down. I think Malzahn endorsed him.  Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?

I think Chad Morris was hired because he has been successful everywhere he's been.

I think he was hired because he is very impressive and humble in person. 

I think he was hired because he is the best person to recruit in Arkansas's footprint. 

I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury for the same reason I didn't want Leach.  You have to run the football to win in the SEC.  CCM runs a balanced two-back, play-action attack that will take vertical shots downfield.  He plays with tempo but doesn't play dink-and-dunk.  I've personally never liked the Air Raid offense.

So no, I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury.  Morris was the consensus pick of a bunch of people who know what they're doing.  I would think someone asked Jerry Jones for his opinion.  If they didn't they should have.

I too am very supportive of the decision to hire Coach Morris. And I appreciate your take on things. Being new to Hogville, you have rapidly become one of my favorites!

And yes, last night was the first I knew of the Eagles' coach being a high school coach just 9 years ago. I like what Morris said about high school coaches. They are some of the most innovative coaches in the country. They have very little control over the personnel they have to work with, therefore they have to be very creative and build schemes to maximize the players they have. The NFL has drafts, and trades. NCAA has recruiting. HS coaches have the kids they have. I think Morris will be very creative in using the players he has at Arkansas to the best of their abilities, as well.

By the way, wasn't that some call by the Eagles to end the first half? Guts, meet intelligence. Loved that game!

Go Hogs. I am very hopeful about the Razorbacks future.
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Post by: whatsshakinbacon on February 05, 2018, 01:03:51 pm
Wow guys, not saying he's a talent or not, but how remarkable is it to have the owner of the Dallas Cowboys grandson on campus.  A kid with Tony Romo's cell phone number, with access to the NFL like no one else in Fayetteville.

Despite the fact he may be a real talent, this can be a recruiting coup.  I'd have him partnered up with the best official visitors for the entirety of his career.

Bacon out...
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 01:05:27 pm
I too am very supportive of the decision to hire Coach Morris. And I appreciate your take on things. Being new to Hogville, you have rapidly become one of my favorites!

And yes, last night was the first I knew of the Eagles' coach being a high school coach just 9 years ago. I like what Morris said about high school coaches. They are some of the most innovative coaches in the country. They have very little control over the personnel they have to work with, therefore they have to be very creative and build schemes to maximize the players they have. The NFL has drafts, and trades. NCAA has recruiting. HS coaches have the kids they have. I think Morris will be very creative in using the players he has at Arkansas to the best of their abilities, as well.

By the way, wasn't that some call by the Eagles to end the first half? Guts, meet intelligence. Loved that game!

Go Hogs. I am very hopeful about the Razorbacks future.

Thanks.  We need more positive people around here who know something about football. 

I didn't know a thing about Pederson until last night.  He started with the Eagles as a quality control coach.  What a trajectory!  I've always thought read-option football would work in the pros.  I don't think Pederson has figured out yet it won't.  We're seeing the game change before our eyes.  And it started with guys Reggie Herring would call "high school".
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Jimbob111 on February 05, 2018, 01:27:20 pm
Football is not all about measurables.  JSJ has the physical tools to play in the SEC and beyond.  54 of the 106 players on rosters in the Super Bowl were undrafted free-agents.

The NFL is full of Blaine Bishops.  Blaine was a 5'9" All-Pro safety for the Titans.  He was an eighth round pick out of Ball State.  He and many like him say that everyone in the NFL has the skills, but passion and dedication are difference makers. 

JSJ has shown the skills, but he has also shown the head and the heart to be a successful SEC quarterback.  Kliff Kingsbury knows QBs.  So does Chad Morris.  Frank Broyles loved QBs.  He signed 'em in bunches.  Steve Little was an All-State QB and DB from Kansas who Broyles recruited as a QB.  He came in with Ron Calcagni.  Bill Montgomery and Chuck Dicus were both highly recruited QBs from Texas.  All of those guys were similar in size to JSJ, and they were all great football players.  They played for Arkansas teams with a combined record of 53-9-2. 

Connor Noland and John Stephen Jones are a solid foundation for their class.

I've felt this way for a long time. I always hated Nutt for looking for diamonds in the rough but sometimes, guys are just ballers and win games simply from "want to". I've only watched JSJ's highlights and not full games but he has the it factor.

I was a huge Doug Flutie fan because he kind of always had the same ability to play. Some guys just have it.

I'm thought-blocking but it's like the smallish linebacker who got locked up with the Auburn fullback and laid him out. Jericho Nelson maybe?
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Post by: The_Iceman on February 05, 2018, 01:36:22 pm
How important is height in a QB in a spread offense? I would think mobility can offset being shorter.

I wonder if we are going to see quite a few of our QBs transfer out.

http://www.hudl.com/v/291nqf
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 01:53:36 pm
How important is height in a QB in a spread offense? I would think mobility can offset being shorter.

I wonder if we are going to see quite a few of our QBs transfer out.

http://www.hudl.com/v/291nqf

We’ll have a lot of talent competing for the job in the Fall.

That’s the first highlights I’ve watched. Mechanically he’s ready to start. When he has time in the pocket his footwork is great. When he extends the play, he keeps his eyes downfield and squares his shoulders to his target.

You can’t watch that and not be excited.
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Post by: Mike Irwin on February 05, 2018, 01:59:52 pm
It's shocking that Morris would give a scholarship to the grandson of the man who basically "hired" him for the position.  Almost hard to comprehend.
Not what I've heard. His dad is closer to Morris than Jerry and it was the dad, not the granddad who was high on him in the hiring process. But no one person hired Morris. Several were involved and in the end it came down to his strong recruiting ties in Texas. As for the kid, he's a legit QB recruit. No one can predict how well he will do at the SEC level but he did not get a scholarship because his last name was Jones.
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 02:01:04 pm
Not what I've heard. His dad is closer to Morris than Jerry and it was the dad, not the granddad who was high on him in the hiring process. But no one person hired Morris. Several were involved and in the end it came down to his strong recruiting ties in Texas. As for the kid, he's a legit QB recruit. No one can predict how well he will do at the SEC level but he did not get a scholarship because his last name was Jones.

Precisely.
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Post by: onebadrubi on February 05, 2018, 02:03:33 pm
It doesn't matter if the kid can or will cut it here.  The fanbase has the idiots just like any other that his first interception, his first game he loses, or his first missed throw, they will be here and on radio calling for his head because he is only playing because of who his grandfather is.  He will have to worry about the similar things the Allen boys did with this type of stuff.  It's unfortunate that we have some people in this fanbase who aren't intelligent enough to see through these type of things in this world, but we do so does most other fan bases.  That being said, we all hope we land the Gunnell kid next year...
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Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 02:06:43 pm
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 02:07:23 pm
It doesn't matter if the kid can or will cut it here.  The fanbase has the idiots just like any other that his first interception, his first game he loses, or his first missed throw, they will be here and on radio calling for his head because he is only playing because of who his grandfather is.  He will have to worry about the similar things the Allen boys did with this type of stuff.  It's unfortunate that we have some people in this fanbase who aren't intelligent enough to see through these type of things in this world, but we do so does most other fan bases.  That being said, we all hope we land the Gunnell kid next year...

No position is safe in college football. Coaches try to recruit someone to take your place every year.
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Post by: WOOPIGDOOIE on February 05, 2018, 02:10:57 pm
I too am very supportive of the decision to hire Coach Morris. And I appreciate your take on things. Being new to Hogville, you have rapidly become one of my favorites!

And yes, last night was the first I knew of the Eagles' coach being a high school coach just 9 years ago. I like what Morris said about high school coaches. They are some of the most innovative coaches in the country. They have very little control over the personnel they have to work with, therefore they have to be very creative and build schemes to maximize the players they have. The NFL has drafts, and trades. NCAA has recruiting. HS coaches have the kids they have. I think Morris will be very creative in using the players he has at Arkansas to the best of their abilities, as well.

By the way, wasn't that some call by the Eagles to end the first half? Guts, meet intelligence. Loved that game!

Go Hogs. I am very hopeful about the Razorbacks future.
CCM was the creator of that play the Eagles ran. He ran it while at Clemson when he was the OC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJqaqFiwds
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 05, 2018, 02:15:45 pm
Never seen him play. Is he similar to Johnny Manziel?
Arm: Better
Legs: Not as awesome as Manzel but close
Will To Win: Equal if not better...
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Post by: Porcius Magnus on February 05, 2018, 02:19:15 pm
And in 30 or 40 years, as a UA alum, he may be running the Jones Empire.
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 02:23:17 pm
Not what I've heard. His dad is closer to Morris than Jerry and it was the dad, not the granddad who was high on him in the hiring process.

That makes sense. Steve Jones and CCM had sons on Highland Park. Both played QB. Dads talk at football games everywhere.
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Post by: DeltaBoy on February 05, 2018, 02:23:40 pm
He's a great player and he lead Highland Park to 2 5A Texas HS state Football Titles.
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Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 05, 2018, 02:39:52 pm
And in 30 or 40 years, as a UA alum, he may be running the Jones Empire.

He's got an older brother who is also at the U of A.  He works in the Athletic Dept.  Maybe co-runners of the Jones Empire. 
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Post by: Justifiable Hogicide on February 05, 2018, 02:50:42 pm
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. This kid is pretty danged salty. He makes plays, especially under pressure. There is no way at this point to know exactly how well he will make the transition to the SEC but it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It would be  a hell of story if he ever wins the job.
Yes. And a story I am looking forward to following. Thrilled he’s coming to Arkansas.
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Post by: Cotton on February 05, 2018, 04:11:48 pm
The NFL draft hasn't always been seven rounds.  Bishop was drafted in 1993 when there were eight rounds.  There were ten rounds in 1980.
Ahhh read your quote wrong as him being a current Titan.
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Post by: SoonerBaHog on February 05, 2018, 04:15:15 pm
And in 30 or 40 years, as a UA alum, he may be running the Jones Empire.

Stands to reason doesn't it?
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Post by: EastexHawg on February 05, 2018, 04:28:03 pm
Not what I've heard. His dad is closer to Morris than Jerry and it was the dad, not the granddad who was high on him in the hiring process. But no one person hired Morris. Several were involved and in the end it came down to his strong recruiting ties in Texas. As for the kid, he's a legit QB recruit. No one can predict how well he will do at the SEC level but he did not get a scholarship because his last name was Jones.

You keep believing whatever you want.
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 04:29:02 pm
Ahhh read your quote wrong as him being a current Titan.

Should have said that. Blaine has a son who had half a dozen TD catches last year for Brentwood High School. He is a rising star. 
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Post by: Hogarusa on February 05, 2018, 04:53:10 pm
Arm: Better
Legs: Not as awesome as Manzel but close
Will To Win: Equal if not better...

The will to win measurement.
I’m rooting for him to succeed but you are saying he is a near equal to a Heisman winning QB
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Post by: 870hogfan on February 05, 2018, 05:19:05 pm
You keep believing whatever you want.




If Bobby would have offered him you be all over it....
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Post by: EastexHawg on February 05, 2018, 06:21:24 pm
If Bobby would have offered him you be all over it....

If we could get into a DeLorean time machine and go back to Jerry Jones' high school days, when linemen weighed 205 pounds, it might be less obvious for an SEC team to offer a 5'10", 175 pound quarterback.

Highland Park's record in the eleven years before young Jones' two state championships was 130-16.  They have played in eight state championship games and made a Texas record 49 playoff appearances.  HP has been a dominant program since the days of having Bobby Layne and Doak Walker in the same backfield.   
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Post by: oldfart on February 05, 2018, 08:36:31 pm
lets remember that we are looking for a good if not great COLLEGE QB.   whether he had the measureables for an NFL QB is insignificant
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Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on February 05, 2018, 09:00:11 pm


Wow. This was the first time I’ve watched this. What a crazy game!
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Post by: Swestwill66 on February 05, 2018, 09:39:21 pm
Let me ask this, if his name was Jim Bob Honeycutt, and no one is his family had any relationship to the UofA, would anyone care if he came here or not?

What if Jim Bob had the same numbers as the Jones kid? How many yards did Jones throw for last year ? Touchdowns? Interceptions?
Jim Bob would be getting serious attention.
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Post by: liljo on February 05, 2018, 09:40:39 pm
What if Jim Bob had the same numbers as the Jones kid? How many yards did Jones throw for last year ? Touchdowns? Interceptions?
Jim Bob would be getting serious attention.

You bet'cha he would.
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Post by: HogNTX on February 05, 2018, 09:43:19 pm
Not what I've heard. His dad is closer to Morris than Jerry and it was the dad, not the granddad who was high on him in the hiring process. But no one person hired Morris. Several were involved and in the end it came down to his strong recruiting ties in Texas. As for the kid, he's a legit QB recruit. No one can predict how well he will do at the SEC level but he did not get a scholarship because his last name was Jones.

Absolutely. +1
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 05, 2018, 10:12:30 pm
You bet'cha he would.

4,911 yards
61 Touchdowns
4 interceptions
One Season
Texas 5A

‘Nuff said.
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Post by: Yosemite Ham on February 05, 2018, 10:26:51 pm
Great player from a great Razorback family,  who is a hell of a leader. Please bring us a championship to the hill.
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 05, 2018, 10:38:53 pm
How important is height in a QB in a spread offense? I would think mobility can offset being shorter.

I wonder if we are going to see quite a few of our QBs transfer out.

http://www.hudl.com/v/291nqf
This cat is SMART... How do I know? 61 TD's to 4 int's in his Sr season. Other than his QB IQ his biggest and most glaring asset is his peripheral vision. He is able to evade defenders while keeping his eyes downfield for an outlet receiver. It's just disgusting how many times he looked stuck only to slip and throw in one motion. Damn.!
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Post by: Tusker4life on February 05, 2018, 11:44:22 pm
I like the fact he can run and isn’t scared to run.

This cat is SMART... How do I know? 61 TD's to 4 int's in his Sr season. Other than his QB IQ his biggest and most glaring asset is his peripheral vision. He is able to evade defenders while keeping his eyes downfield for an outlet receiver. It's just disgusting how many times he looked stuck only to slip and throw in one motion. Damn.!
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Post by: Sivad on February 06, 2018, 12:12:40 am
Glad we offered and glad JSJ accepted.
He will be a great addition to any team and especially this one.
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 06, 2018, 12:36:25 am
The will to win measurement.
I’m rooting for him to succeed but you are saying he is a near equal to a Heisman winning QB
Back to back state titles in Texas 5A... The kid is no slouch. Whose to say which one is better. I'm just saying he is a better passer. The stats don't lie. He doesn't have Manzell's wheels, but again he's no slouch. Que up film on both of them
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Post by: flagstaffhog on February 06, 2018, 12:55:10 am
I disagree with you about what everyone says. 

I think Chad Morris was hired because he was the best candidate for the job after Gus Malzahn turned it down. I think Malzahn endorsed him.  Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?

I think Chad Morris was hired because he has been successful everywhere he's been.

I think he was hired because he is very impressive and humble in person. 

I think he was hired because he is the best person to recruit in Arkansas's footprint. 

I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury for the same reason I didn't want Leach.  You have to run the football to win in the SEC.  CCM runs a balanced two-back, play-action attack that will take vertical shots downfield.  He plays with tempo but doesn't play dink-and-dunk.  I've personally never liked the Air Raid offense.

So no, I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury.  Morris was the consensus pick of a bunch of people who know what they're doing.  I would think someone asked Jerry Jones for his opinion.  If they didn't they should have.

Damn Good Post....
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Post by: HouSwine on February 06, 2018, 01:03:50 am
Did you see him LEAD his team to an unbelievable comeback while winning his 2nd Championship?
He has "IT"!


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Post by: HogimusMaximus on February 06, 2018, 01:37:11 am
Would you be happy if we had hired Kingsbury?

YEs.
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Post by: BigE_23 on February 06, 2018, 08:27:37 am
If we could get into a DeLorean time machine and go back to Jerry Jones' high school days, when linemen weighed 205 pounds, it might be less obvious for an SEC team to offer a 5'10", 175 pound quarterback.

Highland Park's record in the eleven years before young Jones' two state championships was 130-16.  They have played in eight state championship games and made a Texas record 49 playoff appearances.  HP has been a dominant program since the days of having Bobby Layne and Doak Walker in the same backfield.   

And for all that dominance, they have a total of 5 state championships in 1948, 1957, and then 3 in the last 12 seasons.

For two of those state titles, JSJ was the QB. Regardless of how you, or anyone else wants to spin it, that says something.

2005 was their first state title in 48 years, and they didn't win another one until JSJ lead them to a championship in 2016 and repeated in 2017. (Fun fact for ya, the QB for that 2005 team was Matthew Stafford)
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Post by: Soooie21 on February 06, 2018, 08:56:01 am
Is there any recent qb you might compare him to?
His style is like Tony Romo..
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 08:58:53 am
So we've got a Chase Daniel/Clint Stoerner/Doug Flutie/Johnny Manziel/Drew Brees/Tony Romo hybrid QB that we can pair with a running back that resembles Darren McFadden.

I'm expecting 14-1 this year and anything less is a disappointment.
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Post by: Cotton on February 06, 2018, 09:12:20 am
I disagree with you about what everyone says. 

I think Chad Morris was hired because he was the best candidate for the job after Gus Malzahn turned it down. I think Malzahn endorsed him.  Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?

I think Chad Morris was hired because he has been successful everywhere he's been.

I think he was hired because he is very impressive and humble in person. 

I think he was hired because he is the best person to recruit in Arkansas's footprint. 

I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury for the same reason I didn't want Leach.  You have to run the football to win in the SEC.  CCM runs a balanced two-back, play-action attack that will take vertical shots downfield.  He plays with tempo but doesn't play dink-and-dunk.  I've personally never liked the Air Raid offense.

So no, I wouldn't have been happy with Kingsbury.  Morris was the consensus pick of a bunch of people who know what they're doing.  I would think someone asked Jerry Jones for his opinion.  If they didn't they should have.
Best post you've ever had IMO.
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 09:17:03 am
So we've got a Chase Daniel/Clint Stoerner/Doug Flutie/Johnny Manziel/Drew Brees/Tony Romo hybrid QB that we can pair with a running back that resembles Darren McFadden.

I'm expecting 14-1 this year and anything less is a disappointment.

The delusion is real.
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Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 06, 2018, 09:33:07 am
4,911 yards
61 Touchdowns
4 interceptions
One Season
Texas 5A

‘Nuff said.
Then I have to ask.  Where were the offers from Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Alabama?  Hell, even Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss?  Why do you suppose his offers were from SMU, Kansas and Texas Tech?
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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 09:38:31 am
Then I have to ask.  Where were the offers from Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Alabama?  Hell, even Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss?  Why do you suppose his offers were from SMU, Kansas and Texas Tech?

Then I have to wonder, maybe everyone pretty well knew this kid was going to Arkansas and just didn't want to spend a lot of time going after a player they had precious little chance of getting. For SMU, he was local. Didn't cost much to reach out. Kansas and Texas Tech? I don't know what the connections there may be, but it is highly possible his choosing Arkansas was based only on receiving an offer from them.

I suspect there are kids all over the country like this. Just a thought.
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 09:40:33 am
Then I have to wonder, maybe everyone pretty well knew this kid was going to Arkansas and just didn't want to spend a lot of time going after a player they had precious little chance of getting. For SMU, he was local. Didn't cost much to reach out. Kansas and Texas Tech? I don't know what the connections there may be, but it is highly possible his choosing Arkansas was based only on receiving an offer from them.

I suspect there are kids all over the country like this. Just a thought.

Hudson Henry has offers from all over the country.  If you're talented enough you get offers.
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Post by: EastexHawg on February 06, 2018, 09:44:21 am
And for all that dominance, they have a total of 5 state championships in 1948, 1957, and then 3 in the last 12 seasons.

For two of those state titles, JSJ was the QB. Regardless of how you, or anyone else wants to spin it, that says something.

2005 was their first state title in 48 years, and they didn't win another one until JSJ lead them to a championship in 2016 and repeated in 2017. (Fun fact for ya, the QB for that 2005 team was Matthew Stafford)

They lost an average of 1.45 games per year in the eleven years before their two state championships, with one state championship during that span and another loss in the championship game.  They lost an average of 1.5 games the last two years. 

I would say their success rate has been fairly uniform over that period.  The lost a fraction more than average overall the last couple of years, but they did win more championships.

The point is that no one changed Highland Park into a football power the last couple of years.  They already were one.  Patrick Mahomes took a historically mediocre Whitehouse High School program to something like 12-0 before losing a shootout in the third round in which he passed for over 600 yards.  Whitehouse was something like 21-2 with him at QB.  The year before he became the QB they were 5-6 and in the four years since they are a combined 19-23.  That's an example of a player who transformed a program.
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Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 06, 2018, 09:44:26 am
Then I have to wonder, maybe everyone pretty well knew this kid was going to Arkansas and just didn't want to spend a lot of time going after a player they had precious little chance of getting. For SMU, he was local. Didn't cost much to reach out. Kansas and Texas Tech? I don't know what the connections there may be, but it is highly possible his choosing Arkansas was based only on receiving an offer from them.

I suspect there are kids all over the country like this. Just a thought.
There are not kids all over the country with eye-popping stats in the largest classification in one of the top 3 high school football states in the country who's grandpa is Jerry Jones.

And you might be right about everyone staying away because they assumed he was a lock for Arkansas. 
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Post by: AugustaHog on February 06, 2018, 10:05:22 am
Ok, I feel a little more comfortable giving an opinion on JSJ now that I've watched his highlight video. 
Positives:
-Playmaker
-Cool under pressure
-Good decision maker, even when running for his life
-Better than average wheels and elusive at that
-Accurate

Negatives:
-Small.  Not just height-wise, but weight as well.  I don't know how much more mass he can add and still be effective.  Taking shots from SEC LBs and DEs is no joke and that would be a concern moreso than the height for me. 
-Arm is only solid.  He floats it a bit which would be a Safety's dream.  The ball comes out of his hand differently.  It gets there and is ahead of those HS kids, but that will change against better comp.

He's very talented and has so many gifts that can't be taught.  I think he has the chops to do very well, but the arm strength gives me a bit of pause.  If he had some extra zip on the ball, I'd feel very confident that he'd win us quite a few games. 
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Post by: Jim Harris on February 06, 2018, 11:04:22 am
And for all that dominance, they have a total of 5 state championships in 1948, 1957, and then 3 in the last 12 seasons.

For two of those state titles, JSJ was the QB. Regardless of how you, or anyone else wants to spin it, that says something.

2005 was their first state title in 48 years, and they didn't win another one until JSJ lead them to a championship in 2016 and repeated in 2017. (Fun fact for ya, the QB for that 2005 team was Matthew Stafford)

It's hard as heck to win a state championship in Texas HS football these days. After playing a 10-game season to make the playoffs, where every game will then be on as neutral a site as they can find, you have to win 6 more games in a row, more than half a season AFTER you've played a full regular season. John Stephen Jones accomplished nothing short of a miracle as far as a Texas HS quarterback and HP quarterback. The one break for Highland Park compared to, say, a few of the teams before his, is that they were able to reclassify to 5A from 6A, but 5A is loaded with powerhouses as well. Those are still schools with 2,000 kids or more.
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Post by: DLUXHOG on February 06, 2018, 11:12:26 am
JSJ is a gamer and... he has Razorback ancestry....   winning a Texas state HS 5A or 6A football championship just once, not twice, is a tremendous feat...   that high school has more student population than most Arkansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma average town size..  Please, let's all get on board and welcome him.......
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Post by: Pig in the Pokey on February 06, 2018, 11:14:37 am
They lost an average of 1.45 games per year in the eleven years before their two state championships, with one state championship during that span and another loss in the championship game.  They lost an average of 1.5 games the last two years. 

I would say their success rate has been fairly uniform over that period.  The lost a fraction more than average overall the last couple of years, but they did win more championships.

The point is that no one changed Highland Park into a football power the last couple of years.  They already were one.  Patrick Mahomes took a historically mediocre Whitehouse High School program to something like 12-0 before losing a shootout in the third round in which he passed for over 600 yards.  Whitehouse was something like 21-2 with him at QB.  The year before he became the QB they were 5-6 and in the four years since they are a combined 19-23.  That's an example of a player who transformed a program.
ok. so, he won at a rate equal to 5* after 5* QB, whilest besting them all #s wise. Got it.
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Post by: hawg1221 on February 06, 2018, 11:16:57 am
Then I have to ask.  Where were the offers from Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Alabama?  Hell, even Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss?  Why do you suppose his offers were from SMU, Kansas and Texas Tech?

Baker Mayfield says hi.
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Post by: arthurhawgerelli on February 06, 2018, 11:17:07 am
I'm not quite sure everybody is on the same page here.

Jones will not be ready to start for the Hogs as a freshman.  I'll go ahead and bet my life on that.  Down the road? Who knows. 

The question seems to be did we only show interest in him because of his grandpa?  I think we still recruit him no matter what his last name is.
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 06, 2018, 11:45:00 am
Baker Mayfield says hi.

Good analogy.  Mayfield's best offer was Rice:

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Baker-Mayfield-21632/RecruitInterests (https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Baker-Mayfield-21632/RecruitInterests)

Texas Tech seems to have an eye for under appreciated talent.  The Red Raiders were Wes Welker's only offer:

https://247sports.com/Player/Wes-Welker-75912/high-school-130319 (https://247sports.com/Player/Wes-Welker-75912/high-school-130319)

Recruiting services are all about measurables and being recognized early.  There is no great trick in spotting size, body-type, speed and athleticism.  Football after high school is that, but it's more than that, too.



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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 11:53:08 am
Baker Mayfield says hi.

Exception to the rule.
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Post by: Wildhog on February 06, 2018, 11:54:47 am
Exception to the rule.

It should also be noted that Baker Mayfield is like three inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than JSJ.
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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 11:58:34 am
Hudson Henry has offers from all over the country.  If you're talented enough you get offers.
Two completely different stories. And no, you don't always.
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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 11:59:28 am
Exception to the rule.

There are exceptions to the rule very often.
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Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2018, 12:18:18 pm
It should also be noted that Baker Mayfield is like three inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than JSJ.

As a high school Sr?
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:20:08 pm
As a high school Sr?

https://247sports.com/Player/Baker-Mayfield-20771/high-school-33131

https://247sports.com/Player/John-Stephen-Jones-46039810

3 inches looks right, but 15 lbs.
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Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2018, 12:21:32 pm
https://247sports.com/Player/Baker-Mayfield-20771/high-school-33131

https://247sports.com/Player/John-Stephen-Jones-46039810

3 inches looks right, but 15 lbs.

Mayfield was 6' 3/8" at the Sr Bowl.
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Post by: Wildhog on February 06, 2018, 12:26:03 pm
https://247sports.com/Player/Baker-Mayfield-20771/high-school-33131

https://247sports.com/Player/John-Stephen-Jones-46039810

3 inches looks right, but 15 lbs.

Sorry, I was looking at a different high school profile that had him at 205.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2013/baker-mayfield-19025


Regardless, I just don't think Mayfield is a good comp. 
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 12:31:09 pm
Mayfield was 6' 3/8" at the Sr Bowl.

Maybe that hit against the concrete retaining wall took out 5/8 of an inch
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 12:36:32 pm
There are exceptions to the rule very often.

Of raw numbers? Yea, sure. Relative to their population? No. There are 1,300 or so 3 stars a year. There are usually 30 or so 5 stars.  From 2002-2008 17% of 5 stars were drafted in the first round of the draft; 53% drafted in any round. 17% of 1,300 is 228; in other words, more players than are drafted period. 

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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 12:52:46 pm
I think the point is that kids are often overlooked for any number of reasons. I don't think anyone is comparing Mayfield and Jones physically, just that both are/were lightly recruited. Mayfield turned out to be a GREAT player for OU. It is possible Jones will do the same at Arkansas.

I think the kid has a lot of upside, and while I don't expect him to start as a freshman, who really knows? With the new offense, new coaches, who really knows? I think he will be a benefit to the University of Arkansas in time. And if he DOES flourish, I'd hate to be one of the doubters here that wrote him off before he took his first snap. Or wrote him off just because of who he is. That's really unfair.

Here's one Hog fan rooting for all the players we DO get. I'll leave it up to the coaches to do what Coach Morris says: "You keep giving us the 'want to' and we'll keep giving you the 'how to.'"

WPS!

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Post by: bphi11ips on February 06, 2018, 01:07:40 pm
Recruiting evaluations are pretty good when it comes to predicting success, especially at the 4 and 5 star level. But ranking services miss a lot, too:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2017-pro-bowl-rosters-do-recruiting-star-ratings-actually-predict-nfl-success/amp/  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2017-pro-bowl-rosters-do-recruiting-star-ratings-actually-predict-nfl-success/amp/)
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Post by: GoHogs1091 on February 06, 2018, 01:13:44 pm
John Stephen Jones actually fits Morris' offensive system better than Cole Kelley.

John Stephen Jones has the intangibles and the talent that we have been missing at the QB position since Matt Jones was our QB.
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 06, 2018, 01:28:35 pm
John Stephen Jones actually fits Morris' offensive system better than Cole Kelley.

John Stephen Jones has the intangibles and the talent that we have been missing at the QB position since Matt Jones was our QB.

Holy. This board is on FIRE today.
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 06, 2018, 01:32:38 pm
John Stephen Jones actually fits Morris' offensive system better than Cole Kelley.

John Stephen Jones has the intangibles and the talent that we have been missing at the QB position since Matt Jones was our QB.

Matt Jones was 6'6", 245 and ran a 4.38 forty. He wasn't good because of his intangibles; he was good because he was a freak of nature.
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Post by: Grizzlyfan on February 06, 2018, 01:39:28 pm
Baker Mayfield says hi.
Once in a lifetime kind of player.  I hope the comparison turns out to be accurate.  I just wouldn't bet the house on it.
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Post by: EastexHawg on February 06, 2018, 03:44:06 pm
ok. so, he won at a rate equal to 5* after 5* QB, whilest besting them all #s wise. Got it.

Mahomes is 6'3" and weighs 230 pounds.  He also has the strongest arm in...well, anywhere.  That's one difference. The other is that he played for a high school that has completed one decade in its history...the 1970s...with a winning record.
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Post by: War Boar on February 06, 2018, 03:57:18 pm
When I saw that he completed 70% of his passes, I assumed I would see a ton of high percentage throws on hudl. What I saw were a lot of deep balls that hit the receiver in stride. The throws to the back corner of the end zone were impressive as well.  But the play that stuck out the most was the offsides play. The way he immediately went deep and took a shot on a free play was something you don’t often see in high school football. I’ll take a kid with a high football IQ and a ton of heart any day of the week. His ability to extend the play and make something happen is pretty nice too. It doesn’t hurt that he actually wants to be a Hog.


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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 04:27:00 pm
When I saw that he completed 70% of his passes, I assumed I would see a ton of high percentage throws on hudl. What I saw were a lot of deep balls that hit the receiver in stride. The throws to the back corner of the end zone were impressive as well.  But the play that stuck out the most was the offsides play. The way he immediately went deep and took a shot on a free play was something you don’t often see in high school football. I’ll take a kid with a high football IQ and a ton of heart any day of the week. His ability to extend the play and make something happen is pretty nice too. It doesn’t hurt that he actually wants to be a Hog.


No sir, it does not! ! ! ! I hope he does well and can't wait to see the competition at QB develop.

WPS!
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Post by: Hawgphat on February 06, 2018, 04:50:16 pm
Does anyone have any data concerning his foot speed?  Not just his timed sprints, but his HS history - if any - of designed QB runs and/or scrambling success statistics.  With his current relatively diminutive size, how important a factor could his speed and elusiveness elements play in determining whether or when - or under what conditions or circumstances - Jones might most likely see on-field playing time?
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Post by: Wildhog on February 06, 2018, 05:33:40 pm
I'm excited about Connor Noland.  That kid's an elite talent.
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Post by: hogcrazy2206 on February 06, 2018, 05:41:57 pm
For all you offers matter.  Guess how many offers Darren McFadden had??????
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Post by: 12247 on February 06, 2018, 05:42:17 pm
This local weather needs to improve fast.  We got folks on here about to call up the NFL Eagles and tell those sumbitches to get off their asses and bring it on, we's ready cause we gots the purse-e-nell, the Koachin, and the want to, to up and kick their asses.  Yep, need folks to just get away from the computer, cell phone and such and let Hogville breathe a bit.  This keeps up much longer and we gonna be a team of 5 stars with nothin but the best coaching ever, even better than Bret's best staff ever and maybe even the best ever in football.  Break out the Rainbow Stew.
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Post by: Soooie21 on February 06, 2018, 05:55:00 pm
I'm not quite sure everybody is on the same page here.

Jones will not be ready to start for the Hogs as a freshman.  I'll go ahead and bet my life on that.  Down the road? Who knows. 

The question seems to be did we only show interest in him because of his grandpa?  I think we still recruit him no matter what his last name is.
When was the last time a freshman started from day 1 at Ark...can't think of one..
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Post by: Wildhog on February 06, 2018, 05:56:20 pm
For all you offers matter.  Guess how many offers Darren McFadden had??????

McFadden committed pretty early and didn't report most of his offers.  He could have gone anywhere.
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Post by: Rudy Baylor on February 06, 2018, 06:11:34 pm
Did you know Doug Pederson was coaching high school 9 years ago?



yeah, after a 12 year career as an NFL QB under people like Andy Reid and etc
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Post by: redneckfriend on February 06, 2018, 06:25:16 pm
Hell's bells- he's Jerry Jones' grandkid- you offer a scholarship and you give him every chance to make it. This isn't rocket science and he will probably never start a game for Arkansas. For all anybody knows all of his other offers were cynical attempts to get Jones to donate to the school. I mean it is just a little suspicious that the big boys in the Texas/Oklahoma area didn't offer but then every now and then, not very often so then odds are against it, some kid like this surprises everybody and things click. Hope springs eternal.
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Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on February 06, 2018, 06:46:51 pm
John Stephen Jones actually fits Morris' offensive system better than Cole Kelley.

John Stephen Jones has the intangibles and the talent that we have been missing at the QB position since Matt Jones was our QB.

It's funny how many seem to feel the need to take one side or the other here. The kid is a winner and a competitor, in HS anyway. He may never amount to more than being a scout team QB here. On the other hand, who knows what he might accomplish? Jerry Jones being who he is in football and to the University of Arkansas no doubt helped him get a shot at Arkansas. He is a "legacy" player and that is just fine. It would be wrong if he weren't.

That doesn't mean that he will emerge as a starter eventually, but it also doesn't mean that he won't. I'm glad he is on the team and I am sure he will have every opportunity to compete for playing time just like everyone else. There isn't anything wrong with being given a "hand up" and an "opportunity", but it is up to him to make the most of that chance. It will be more difficult for him because he has to be so substantially better than anyone else to play simply because of his family connections. There will be enormous pressure on the kid. More than others who are competing for playing time.

If he never becomes a starter or even a back-up it isn't going to hurt the program either way. It's all up to him now. How he turns out is all up to him.

As the Zen Master said, "we'll see".
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 06, 2018, 06:56:56 pm
This local weather needs to improve fast.  We got folks on here about to call up the NFL Eagles and tell those sumbitches to get off their asses and bring it on, we's ready cause we gots the purse-e-nell, the Koachin, and the want to, to up and kick their asses.  Yep, need folks to just get away from the computer, cell phone and such and let Hogville breathe a bit.  This keeps up much longer and we gonna be a team of 5 stars with nothin but the best coaching ever, even better than Bret's best staff ever and maybe even the best ever in football.  Break out the Rainbow Stew.

 We also have a bunch of baby wipes ready to pull the plug on the program because some folks think we may have a coach who knows what he's doing.

[sarc]The audacity.!? Why would anyone ever think Jerry Jones' grandson would be anything other than a "clipboard holding, thank you, legacy scholly" thrown out to one of the greatest Razorbacks of all time..? [/sarcasm]
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Post by: BigE_23 on February 06, 2018, 07:37:43 pm
For all you offers matter.  Guess how many offers Darren McFadden had??????

Because he told a lot of coaches they were wasting their time by recruiting him. He was all Hog, no questions asked.
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Post by: Hogfan46 on February 06, 2018, 09:00:49 pm
JSJ will blossom the longer he is here. I think we will all be very happy he is on the roster as a redshirt Junior. 
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Post by: liljo on February 06, 2018, 09:14:08 pm
JSJ will blossom the longer he is here. I think we will all be very happy he is on the roster as a redshirt Junior.

That's about what I'm expecting as well. In the meantime he will compete. And compete hard. And competition makes everyone better.
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 06, 2018, 10:28:41 pm
When was the last time a freshman started from day 1 at Ark...can't think of one..
Mitch Mustain should have...
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Post by: bennyl08 on February 07, 2018, 12:03:44 am
Watching his highlights, he has good accuracy. Seems to always hit his receiver in stride and when he doesn't, he's placing the ball away from the defender with purpose.

His arm strength isn't great, but it isn't bad either. He can make all the throws he'll need to make. Especially in an offense like Morris's where he could go an entire game without a pass ever going more than 5 yards downfield (though hopefully Morris adds some more downfield throws to the playbook).

His speed looks similar to that of Noland's, though while Conner is pretty agile, Jones shows to be even more slippery.

JSJ's release as is is pretty moderate in speed. Not amazing, but not too bad either. He has a really weird hitch in his throwing motion which if you could get rid of that, he'd be well above average.

Of course, the biggest issue is size. Height is a small issue. Seeing over the OL will be tough and he'll be more dependent on windows. Balls being swatted at the line as well. Requires more play action bootlegs which can limit the playcalling. Especially if like many HS players, his numbers are exaggerated. Dennis Johnson magically shrank 2 inches from HS to the pros. If JSJ really is 5'11, it might not be too big a deal. If he's 5'9.5, then it does become a big issue at the college level.

His weight is a bigger issue though. 175 lbs? Manziel left college weight 30 pounds more. Brees was taller and his combine was 40 pounds more though he's dropped about 10 pounds now that he's older and wiser at avoiding hits.

Overall, he's a decent prospect that would be an afterthought among most fans if his last name wasn't Jones. However, his resume is good enough to be a bubble prospect worth taking a risk on regardless of his last name. The big controversy, IMO, is taking a bubble, project player in a tight class. Of course, with the coaching change limiting the amount of time in recruiting, he could be scrambling to fill out the small class in the first place.
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Post by: Soooie21 on February 07, 2018, 07:46:32 am
Mitch Mustain should have...
I agree......
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Post by: bphi11ips on February 07, 2018, 08:03:58 am
Watching his highlights, he has good accuracy. Seems to always hit his receiver in stride and when he doesn't, he's placing the ball away from the defender with purpose.

His arm strength isn't great, but it isn't bad either. He can make all the throws he'll need to make. Especially in an offense like Morris's where he could go an entire game without a pass ever going more than 5 yards downfield (though hopefully Morris adds some more downfield throws to the playbook).

His speed looks similar to that of Noland's, though while Conner is pretty agile, Jones shows to be even more slippery.

JSJ's release as is is pretty moderate in speed. Not amazing, but not too bad either. He has a really weird hitch in his throwing motion which if you could get rid of that, he'd be well above average.

Of course, the biggest issue is size. Height is a small issue. Seeing over the OL will be tough and he'll be more dependent on windows. Balls being swatted at the line as well. Requires more play action bootlegs which can limit the playcalling. Especially if like many HS players, his numbers are exaggerated. Dennis Johnson magically shrank 2 inches from HS to the pros. If JSJ really is 5'11, it might not be too big a deal. If he's 5'9.5, then it does become a big issue at the college level.

His weight is a bigger issue though. 175 lbs? Manziel left college weight 30 pounds more. Brees was taller and his combine was 40 pounds more though he's dropped about 10 pounds now that he's older and wiser at avoiding hits.

Overall, he's a decent prospect that would be an afterthought among most fans if his last name wasn't Jones. However, his resume is good enough to be a bubble prospect worth taking a risk on regardless of his last name. The big controversy, IMO, is taking a bubble, project player in a tight class. Of course, with the coaching change limiting the amount of time in recruiting, he could be scrambling to fill out the small class in the first place.

Sometimes I give you a hard time, but you do know what you're looking at.  If his name weren't Jones, everyone would be doing backflips over his numbers and championships and film.  I'm sure JSJ has had plenty of great development to this point.  About the only thing I see he needs to work on is his release point.  If he can release it more like Tom Brady, at the highest point of extension, he can be something special. 
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 07, 2018, 08:12:50 am
Sometimes I give you a hard time, but you do know what you're looking at.  If his name weren't Jones, everyone would be doing backflips over his numbers and championships and film.  I'm sure JSJ has had plenty of great development to this point.  About the only thing I see he needs to work on is his release point.  If he can release it more like Tom Brady, at the highest point of extension, he can be something special.

Now we've got something special akin to Tom Brady. Yesterday he was Matt Jones. Jesus.

Is it that hard to say he's got some good film and is a proven winner; we should be excited he chose the Hogs?
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Post by: Pork Twain on February 07, 2018, 08:23:58 am
Since when is signing a good player, that comes from a long line of hogs, anything but a great thing?
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Post by: DLUXHOG on February 07, 2018, 08:42:42 am
Since when is signing a good player, that comes from a long line of hogs, anything but a great thing?

Bingo! +1000
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Post by: Pigsknuckles on February 07, 2018, 09:03:19 am
It changed. He is on scholarship

Good. Maybe that will end the Baker Mayfield comparisons. It will be enough having to live up to being Jerry's grandson. Looking forward to seeing him.
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Post by: Cotton on February 07, 2018, 09:18:07 am
Since when is signing a good player, that comes from a long line of hogs, anything but a great thing?
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Post by: PorkSoda on February 08, 2018, 01:23:46 pm
Height in not everything in a quarterback. If it was nobody under 6-2 would have ever made it to the NFL. This kid is pretty danged salty. He makes plays, especially under pressure. There is no way at this point to know exactly how well he will make the transition to the SEC but it will be interesting to watch it unfold. It would be  a hell of story if he ever wins the job.
last I checked, a 6-2 guy can't see over a 6-7 tackle any better than a 5-10 guy.
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Post by: plumbhog on February 09, 2018, 11:45:11 am
last I checked, a 6-2 guy can't see over a 6-7 tackle any better than a 5-10 guy.
Maybe we just need to find one that see under them!
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 10, 2018, 07:31:20 pm
Maybe we just need to find one that see under them!
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Post by: HogimusMaximus on February 11, 2018, 12:01:53 pm
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Tiny diesel.
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Post by: Paul on February 11, 2018, 10:04:34 pm
Then I have to wonder, maybe everyone pretty well knew this kid was going to Arkansas and just didn't want to spend a lot of time going after a player they had precious little chance of getting. For SMU, he was local. Didn't cost much to reach out. Kansas and Texas Tech? I don't know what the connections there may be, but it is highly possible his choosing Arkansas was based only on receiving an offer from them.

I suspect there are kids all over the country like this. Just a thought.
what bugs some is that Morris didn't offer him while at SMU though he was the starter ahead of Morris's son. Also the other P5 offers came after ours.  Then it was announced 3-4 days after Morris got the job that he was offered a blueshirt only to find out later that, in a year with few scholarships to grant, he was given a full scholarship this year.  Now if, as some contend, he deserves a scholarship because of what his grandfather has done for the school then so be it.  But if, as others contend, he deserves a scholarship based on his athletic ability at this level then the debate is valid. 
 
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Post by: jgphillips3 on February 11, 2018, 11:21:43 pm
what bugs some is that Morris didn't offer him while at SMU though he was the starter ahead of Morris's son. Also the other P5 offers came after ours.  Then it was announced 3-4 days after Morris got the job that he was offered a blueshirt only to find out later that, in a year with few scholarships to grant, he was given a full scholarship this year.  Now if, as some contend, he deserves a scholarship because of what his grandfather has done for the school then so be it.  But if, as others contend, he deserves a scholarship based on his athletic ability at this level then the debate is valid. 
 

Well, it’s widely believed that Jerry supported and promoted Morris for our job. quid pro quo is what it sounds like to me.
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Post by: wildhogman on February 11, 2018, 11:28:27 pm
what bugs some is that Morris didn't offer him while at SMU though he was the starter ahead of Morris's son. Also the other P5 offers came after ours.  Then it was announced 3-4 days after Morris got the job that he was offered a blueshirt only to find out later that, in a year with few scholarships to grant, he was given a full scholarship this year.  Now if, as some contend, he deserves a scholarship because of what his grandfather has done for the school then so be it.  But if, as others contend, he deserves a scholarship based on his athletic ability at this level then the debate is valid. 
 

I have no facts to back this up. I am to lazy as well to go back through post history of so many people. But I bet the same ones whining about this kid getting a scholarship, were fine with Malazahn getting OC on the backs of 5 kids.  Who cares if he got it because of grandpa, or because he is a late bloomer, or because he is legit.  He is a hog now, for the rest of his life he will be a recruit, player, and finally former player.  If he never takes a snap, never gets on the field, Its doesn't matter, HE IS A HOG FOREVER. Like the rest of us
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Post by: bennyl08 on February 12, 2018, 12:45:35 am
Well, it’s widely believed that Jerry supported and promoted Morris for our job. quid pro quo is what it sounds like to me.

Same here.

I'm not Jerry Jones (thank goodness, would hate to lose over 40 years of my life), but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college. Especially in a year where scholarships are tight to begin with. I'd rather then be able to go out and sign an extra player and accept my grandson as a walk-on. Sure, I'd want him treated like a scholarship player, but that should be happening regardless.

But who knows, maybe this was the price to pay for being hired or maybe Morris thought JSJ was truly one of the best 15 or so players that he could sign and that any other player getting a scholly would be less of a player. Doubt we ever know and it wouldn't be very professional of anybody IMO to go out and say anything about it regardless.
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Post by: oldhawg on February 12, 2018, 07:48:04 am
Quid pro quo is a way of life in our society ---- congress, business, intelligence community, among friends and family, etc.  Social status is usually not an issue.  Also, it's not as if the young Jones has no abilities ---- perhaps a long shot, but worth a bet. 

Someone mentioned no P-5 offers for Jones until Arkansas offered.  The same could be said about Parker, but i've  seen no contentious remarks about his recruitment or signing. 
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Post by: ricepig on February 12, 2018, 08:34:02 am
what bugs some is that Morris didn't offer him while at SMU though he was the starter ahead of Morris's son. Also the other P5 offers came after ours.  Then it was announced 3-4 days after Morris got the job that he was offered a blueshirt only to find out later that, in a year with few scholarships to grant, he was given a full scholarship this year.  Now if, as some contend, he deserves a scholarship because of what his grandfather has done for the school then so be it.  But if, as others contend, he deserves a scholarship based on his athletic ability at this level then the debate is valid. 
 

Well, of course you would be wrong. Texas Tech offered Nov 30, before Morris was hired as our HC.

https://247sports.com/player/john-stephen-jones-46039810
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 12, 2018, 08:38:29 am
Same here.

I'm not Jerry Jones (thank goodness, would hate to lose over 40 years of my life), but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college. Especially in a year where scholarships are tight to begin with. I'd rather then be able to go out and sign an extra player and accept my grandson as a walk-on. Sure, I'd want him treated like a scholarship player, but that should be happening regardless.

But who knows, maybe this was the price to pay for being hired or maybe Morris thought JSJ was truly one of the best 15 or so players that he could sign and that any other player getting a scholly would be less of a player. Doubt we ever know and it wouldn't be very professional of anybody IMO to go out and say anything about it regardless.

Haha a billionaire who is in the pro football hall of fame with 3 super bowl rings. Yeah, what a loser.
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Post by: jkstock04 on February 12, 2018, 08:47:17 am
Quid pro quo is a way of life in our society ---- congress, business, intelligence community, among friends and family, etc.  Social status is usually not an issue.  Also, it's not as if the young Jones has no abilities ---- perhaps a long shot, but worth a bet. 

Someone mentioned no P-5 offers for Jones until Arkansas offered.  The same could be said about Parker, but i've  seen no contentious remarks about his recruitment or signing. 
To me it all boils down to had Morris offered him at SMU or was he at least recruiting him/talking to him? If the answer to this is no....it’s beyond obvious what this is all about.
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 12, 2018, 08:53:44 am
Same here.

I'm not Jerry Jones (thank goodness, would hate to lose over 40 years of my life), but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college. Especially in a year where scholarships are tight to begin with. I'd rather then be able to go out and sign an extra player and accept my grandson as a walk-on. Sure, I'd want him treated like a scholarship player, but that should be happening regardless.

But who knows, maybe this was the price to pay for being hired or maybe Morris thought JSJ was truly one of the best 15 or so players that he could sign and that any other player getting a scholly would be less of a player. Doubt we ever know and it wouldn't be very professional of anybody IMO to go out and say anything about it regardless.

Maybe this is about JSJ earning a scholarship himself and getting out from under Granddad's shadow?

No, that'll likely never happen. He'll always be Jerry Jones' grandson.

But he can tell himself, "I earned a football scholarship to play at the University of Arkansas." Not tell himself, "Well I had a scholarship offer that I myself earned, but my family made me turn it down so Granddad could pay for everything like he always has."

Good for JSJ. Kid got a scholarship to an SEC school.
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Post by: jkstock04 on February 12, 2018, 09:12:41 am
Maybe this is about JSJ earning a scholarship himself and getting out from under Granddad's shadow?

No, that'll likely never happen. He'll always be Jerry Jones' grandson.

But he can tell himself, "I earned a football scholarship to play at the University of Arkansas." Not tell himself, "Well I had a scholarship offer that I myself earned, but my family made me turn it down so Granddad could pay for everything like he always has."

Good for JSJ. Kid got a scholarship to an SEC school.
Is this really a thing in life? Relatives like grandparents, aunts, uncles...paying “everything” for other relatives because they are well off? I can see mommy and daddy spoiling their kids but otherwise? I must be in the wrong family because I’ve never seen anything like that.

Thing is, this can be spun til the cows come home...but Highland Park is basically just down the street from SMU. If Chad Morris didn’t offer this kid while coaching at SMU, why not and why now?

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Post by: wildhogman on February 12, 2018, 09:14:15 am
Haha a billionaire who is in the pro football hall of fame with 3 super bowl rings. Yeah, what a loser.
You missed the most important part of what you quoted. LOSING 40 years of life to be him.  Would YOU give up 40 years of your life to get his achievments?
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Post by: RyanMallettsEgo on February 12, 2018, 09:17:41 am
Is this really a thing in life? Relatives like grandparents, aunts, uncles...paying “everything” for other relatives because they are well off? I can see mommy and daddy spoiling their kids but otherwise? I must be in the wrong family because I’ve never seen anything like that.

Thing is, this can be spun til the cows come home...but Highland Park is basically just down the street from SMU. If Chad Morris didn’t offer this kid while coaching at SMU, why not and why now?

I have no idea. Not in my family. I was following along word-for-word with Benny's post that said, "I'm not Jerry Jones...but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college."

In that scenario, yes, Jerry is paying for things.
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Post by: steveaustin69 on February 12, 2018, 09:21:34 am
You missed the most important part of what you quoted. LOSING 40 years of life to be him.  Would YOU give up 40 years of your life to get his achievments?

Ha. My mistake. Misunderstood; thought he was saying he lost for 40 years.
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Post by: ricepig on February 12, 2018, 09:22:20 am
Ha. My mistake. Misunderstood; thought you were saying he lost for 40 years.

Cut that in half......
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Post by: wildhogman on February 12, 2018, 11:37:34 am
I have no idea. Not in my family. I was following along word-for-word with Benny's post that said, "I'm not Jerry Jones...but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college."

In that scenario, yes, Jerry is paying for things.

And "what if" in your scenario, the young man decided to go to aTm because they offered a scholarship? Then in year's 3 and 4 won "all sec" at QB leading them to an 11-2 record and New years day 6 bowl game, and follow that up with 12-1 and a playoff win and NC?   Imagine the uproar all across hog land wanting to know why CMM and his grand dad couldn't get one of the best QB's to come to Arkansas.  Ofcourse this is just a what if game. 
Personally I think it is a family decision, and if CCM gave the scholly from a perceived obligation to the Jones family for helping him, He will have to live with it. I doubt it wil hurt him any more then the "springdale 6" hurt Malazhan.
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Post by: DLUXHOG on February 12, 2018, 11:50:19 am
I personally wouldn’t care if Arkansas gave this young man two scholarships in light of the millions his grandfather has given to the Razorback program.....
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Post by: Davidr295 on February 12, 2018, 12:01:34 pm
If Jerry was the owner of any other NFL team nobody would be saying jack.
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Post by: HouSwine on February 12, 2018, 12:49:53 pm
Mr. Jones recognizes talent and opportunity.
The kid is a player, leader, and winner!
Thanks, Gramps! WPS!
For all you've given.
Congratulations to you and his dad, who was a solid player himself, as I recall.
This is going to be fun!
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Post by: Paul on February 12, 2018, 01:06:12 pm
Well, of course you would be wrong. Texas Tech offered Nov 30, before Morris was hired as our HC.

https://247sports.com/player/john-stephen-jones-46039810
my bad of that offer
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Post by: Vantage 8 dude on February 12, 2018, 01:08:56 pm
Frankly it's one scholarship. And while it's true we need all the high ranked players we can get, I honestly don't see his receiving financial assistance a problem. In the end he will either contribute to the team's success or he won't. The one thing we do know, however, is that in many ways legacies do positively contribute, whether that be immediately or down the road a ways. Have far bigger issues to debate IMO. 
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Post by: Pudgepork on February 12, 2018, 01:18:17 pm
Frankly it's one scholarship. And while it's true we need all the high ranked players we can get, I honestly don't see his receiving financial assistance a problem. In the end he will either contribute to the team's success or he won't. The one thing we do know, however, is that in many ways legacies do positively contribute, whether that be immediately or down the road a ways. Have far bigger issues to debate IMO.

Agree.     Let's hope to land another legacy qb named Grant Gunnel
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Post by: Hog Pharm on February 12, 2018, 01:24:20 pm
Well, it’s widely believed that Jerry supported and promoted Morris for our job. quid pro quo is what it sounds like to me.

Widely believed on what evidence? I’ve only read that on hogville.
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Post by: bennyl08 on February 12, 2018, 06:42:01 pm
Haha a billionaire who is in the pro football hall of fame with 3 super bowl rings. Yeah, what a loser.

Straw man much? Never said he didn't have a good life. I said I wouldn't trade my life right now to be in his life right now. I'd rather be a poor young man with generations of life left to live rather than lose over 40 years of my life just to say I'm rich and live with the accomplishments that somebody else achieved and be years, maybe a decade away from dying.
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Post by: bennyl08 on February 12, 2018, 06:43:42 pm
Ha. My mistake. Misunderstood; thought he was saying he lost for 40 years.

Haha, responding to your post before reading the rest of the thread.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bennyl08 on February 12, 2018, 06:55:10 pm
And "what if" in your scenario, the young man decided to go to aTm because they offered a scholarship? Then in year's 3 and 4 won "all sec" at QB leading them to an 11-2 record and New years day 6 bowl game, and follow that up with 12-1 and a playoff win and NC?   Imagine the uproar all across hog land wanting to know why CMM and his grand dad couldn't get one of the best QB's to come to Arkansas.  Ofcourse this is just a what if game. 
Personally I think it is a family decision, and if CCM gave the scholly from a perceived obligation to the Jones family for helping him, He will have to live with it. I doubt it wil hurt him any more then the "springdale 6" hurt Malazhan.

Well, technically, that was my "what if" scenario. In your what-if scenario, that would all be remedied by two people having open communication. If JSJ wanted to feel that he earned the scholarship in his own right and would go somewhere else if needed to, then sure, you would change the stance to let them go to arkansas. I think he'll be a quality depth player for us that could improve the quality of our scout team and take it to another level, but I doubt he does anything much more than that unless qb recruiting under Morris takes a nose dive compared to what we've seen over the past decade. That said, I do think he has a resume on par with many other players that have gotten scholarships here over the years.

My statement was more along the quid pro quo argument of how much Jerrah has given tot he program. Barring the son demanding he makes a name for himself and feeling like being a walk on paid for by granddad wouldn't allow him to do that, it would have been a greater benefit for the razorbacks to have Jerry pay for John and free up another scholarship for us to give. I don't think giving JSJ a scholly hurts the program at all, just that by having him walk on, we could have benefited even more. IF (and I'm not saying this is true, strictly hypothetical) Jerry needed to see the uni and Morris in particular scratch his back type of a deal, then that just becomes a function of ego. It's an ego that the university will feed regardless, but if it ever came out that it was true, then that would lower my opinion of Jerry Jones from where it currently stands.
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Post by: thebignasty on February 12, 2018, 07:00:39 pm
Let me ask this, if his name was Jim Bob Honeycutt, and no one is his family had any relationship to the UofA, would anyone care if he came here or not?

No, and we'd have a bunch of posts about how beating out SMU and Texas Tech for kids isn't going to cut it in the SEC.

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Post by: PigPusher on February 13, 2018, 12:18:57 am
Same here.

I'm not Jerry Jones (thank goodness, would hate to lose over 40 years of my life), but if I was a multi billionaire who supported the hogs, I'd refuse to let them give any family member of mine a scholarship when it would cost me less than a thousandth of one percent of my current wealth to pay for 4 years of his college. Especially in a year where scholarships are tight to begin with. I'd rather then be able to go out and sign an extra player and accept my grandson as a walk-on. Sure, I'd want him treated like a scholarship player, but that should be happening regardless.

But who knows, maybe this was the price to pay for being hired or maybe Morris thought JSJ was truly one of the best 15 or so players that he could sign and that any other player getting a scholly would be less of a player. Doubt we ever know and it wouldn't be very professional of anybody IMO to go out and say anything about it regardless.

My lad work hard at enjoying ever minute of your life. You will be very surprised just how quickly the ending years comes settling down upon your shoulders. All of a sudden, for example or so, one works the last eight hour day, buys the last car, adopts the last puppy and marries the last woman (heh). OH, and, enjoys man's great playground for the last time. Enjoy your years !!
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Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on February 13, 2018, 05:07:55 am
Well, technically, that was my "what if" scenario. In your what-if scenario, that would all be remedied by two people having open communication. If JSJ wanted to feel that he earned the scholarship in his own right and would go somewhere else if needed to, then sure, you would change the stance to let them go to arkansas. I think he'll be a quality depth player for us that could improve the quality of our scout team and take it to another level, but I doubt he does anything much more than that unless qb recruiting under Morris takes a nose dive compared to what we've seen over the past decade. That said, I do think he has a resume on par with many other players that have gotten scholarships here over the years.

My statement was more along the quid pro quo argument of how much Jerrah has given tot he program. Barring the son demanding he makes a name for himself and feeling like being a walk on paid for by granddad wouldn't allow him to do that, it would have been a greater benefit for the razorbacks to have Jerry pay for John and free up another scholarship for us to give. I don't think giving JSJ a scholly hurts the program at all, just that by having him walk on, we could have benefited even more. IF (and I'm not saying this is true, strictly hypothetical) Jerry needed to see the uni and Morris in particular scratch his back type of a deal, then that just becomes a function of ego. It's an ego that the university will feed regardless, but if it ever came out that it was true, then that would lower my opinion of Jerry Jones from where it currently stands.

...and if it was an academic scholarship, nobody would say a word.
I love how people want to punish the grandson, because they don’t like the grandfather. Heaven help the kid if he ever tries to use his student discount at
Chick-Fil-a. Geez.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: Mike_e on February 13, 2018, 05:49:31 am
I know exactly how to be right about whether or not the kid deserves a scholly.

I'm going to wait four or five years and then see what happened.

Patience is a good thing.  ;)
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: oldhawg on February 13, 2018, 06:41:17 am
To me it all boils down to had Morris offered him at SMU or was he at least recruiting him/talking to him? If the answer to this is no....it’s beyond obvious what this is all about.

And what difference does it make?  Absolutely none, nothing illegal about the offer, not against NCAA rules, not immoral.   An offer to a three star athlete who happens to be the grandson of Arkansas's most prodigious supporter and happens to be ownerof the Cowboys.  The Jones family just does not have the connection to SMU that it does to Arkansas, and if that is the only reason that Morris offered young Mr. Jones, it is still worth the scholarship to him.
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Post by: GuvHog on February 13, 2018, 06:59:47 am
And "what if" in your scenario, the young man decided to go to aTm because they offered a scholarship? Then in year's 3 and 4 won "all sec" at QB leading them to an 11-2 record and New years day 6 bowl game, and follow that up with 12-1 and a playoff win and NC?   Imagine the uproar all across hog land wanting to know why CMM and his grand dad couldn't get one of the best QB's to come to Arkansas.  Ofcourse this is just a what if game. 
Personally I think it is a family decision, and if CCM gave the scholly from a perceived obligation to the Jones family for helping him, He will have to live with it. I doubt it wil hurt him any more then the "springdale 6" hurt Malazhan.

Actually in this case, the "what if" doesn't apply because it's pretty well known that JSJ was going to be a Hog even if he had to walk on to do it.
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Post by: nchogg on February 13, 2018, 07:00:48 am
I wish some would get off John Jones back. The kid has every right to a scolly just as the next player does. You have seen his films and he is a play maker. He will have to earn his place on the roster just like everyone else. It's part of HS for players to be offered a scolly and they are proud of it. Let the young Jones have his day without reading all this BS.
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Post by: GuvHog on February 13, 2018, 08:31:54 am
I wish some would get off John Jones back. The kid has every right to a scolly just as the next player does. You have seen his films and he is a play maker. He will have to earn his place on the roster just like everyone else. It's part of HS for players to be offered a scolly and they are proud of it. Let the young Jones have his day without reading all this BS.

He'll get his chance to show what he can do and I'm looking forward to it but this year, I believe he'll Red Shirt.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: steveaustin69 on February 13, 2018, 08:37:43 am
Actually in this case, the "what if" doesn't apply because it's pretty well known that JSJ was going to be a Hog even if he had to walk on to do it.

Is this another case of it was talked about on Hogville so it was a well known fact he was going to Arkansas?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: ricepig on February 13, 2018, 08:45:33 am
Is this another case of it was talked about on Hogville so it was a well known fact he was going to Arkansas?


https://dev.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-jerry-jones-john-stephen-jones
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Post by: GuvHog on February 13, 2018, 09:10:55 am

https://dev.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-jerry-jones-john-stephen-jones

Thanks for the link RicePig.
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Post by: ricepig on February 13, 2018, 09:12:08 am
That article backs up what I said. Your point is??

My point is, it wasn't addressed to you. Your point is?
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: GuvHog on February 13, 2018, 09:13:10 am
My point is, it wasn't addressed to you. Your point is?

I realized that after I posted and changed my reply.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: flippinhogmana on February 13, 2018, 09:18:39 am
Well, it’s widely believed that Jerry supported and promoted Morris for our job. quid pro quo is what it sounds like to me.

I have always been more concerned about what a person does with an opportunity than how he/she appeared to get the opportunity.  I have sometimes utilized people that I knew more than other people because I knew what they were capable of over others.  To some it might have appeared to be favoritism, but it really wasn't. 
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: hoglady on February 13, 2018, 09:37:58 am
If this kid ever sees the field he will have earned it.
Morris isn't going to blow his head coaching opportunity here and torpedo his career to play favorites at the QB position.
The man is not insane.
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Post by: GuvHog on February 13, 2018, 10:10:07 am
If this kid ever sees the field he will have earned it.
Morris isn't going to blow his head coaching opportunity here and torpedo his career to play favorites at the QB position.
The man is not insane.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: 12247 on February 13, 2018, 10:13:02 am
One thought I had was that high school, Highland Park, big bad football school. Suppose they had any other QB prospects that could play football at QB for 2016 and 2017.  Surely, they had a couple above 6 foot tall who could handle the position.  Anyone know? 

My point is this Jones Kid likely beat out a few others to get the QB job there at HP as the cool posters like to call the High School.  I guess it was just outhouse luck they won the state titles with this too small, no smarts, weakling for a QB.

This kid appears to have the very first thing you need to be a good football player and it ain't a very rich Grandpa.  He has refusing to be denied. 
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Post by: jkstock04 on February 13, 2018, 11:16:51 am
And what difference does it make?  Absolutely none, nothing illegal about the offer, not against NCAA rules, not immoral.   An offer to a three star athlete who happens to be the grandson of Arkansas's most prodigious supporter and happens to be ownerof the Cowboys.  The Jones family just does not have the connection to SMU that it does to Arkansas, and if that is the only reason that Morris offered young Mr. Jones, it is still worth the scholarship to him.
It’s for sure noteworthy if Chad Morris didn’t offer him when he was coach at SMU...at least by my viewpoint. Highland Park is basically right down the street from SMU. It wouldn’t make sense that Morris wasn’t all over the kid for a while now given the geography. Maybe he was? But I havent seen anything pointing that way.

The way the narrative on this deal has evolved has been non surprising. On a PR level, I get it. Jerry Jones given millions to the university and spearheaded or had a big hand in Chad Morris getting the job.
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Post by: thebignasty on February 13, 2018, 12:15:53 pm
If this kid ever sees the field he will have earned it.
Morris isn't going to blow his head coaching opportunity here and torpedo his career to play favorites at the QB position.
The man is not insane.

this is funny, half of hogville has accused Bielema of doing exactly that, on account of the pull that the director of high school relations had over the program


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Post by: OLDHOG on February 13, 2018, 12:50:45 pm
I have no facts to back this up. I am to lazy as well to go back through post history of so many people. But I bet the same ones whining about this kid getting a scholarship, were fine with Malazahn getting OC on the backs of 5 kids.  Who cares if he got it because of grandpa, or because he is a late bloomer, or because he is legit.  He is a hog now, for the rest of his life he will be a recruit, player, and finally former player.  If he never takes a snap, never gets on the field, Its doesn't matter, HE IS A HOG FOREVER. Like the rest of us
+1
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Post by: hoglady on February 13, 2018, 12:55:59 pm
this is funny, half of hogville has accused Bielema of doing exactly that, on account of the pull that the director of high school relations had over the program




Not me.
I thought Brandon and Austin were the best we had.
Title: Re: John Stephen Jones - - -
Post by: bennyl08 on February 13, 2018, 01:22:42 pm
...and if it was an academic scholarship, nobody would say a word.
I love how people want to punish the grandson, because they don’t like the grandfather. Heaven help the kid if he ever tries to use his student discount at
Chick-Fil-a. Geez.

I haven't heard anybody talking about punishing the grandson. If being a walk-on is considered punishment, then we didn't hire the right coach.

The major point is that if I was a booster and I could legally pay for a player worthy of scholarship within the rules, freeing up the program to get essentially a bonus scholarship, that could easily be worth millions of dollars in donation money. Maybe the grandson hated that idea or maybe even though it is his grandson, it would have still violated ncaa rules or been close enough to a grey area that Morris didn't want to risk any trouble and gave him a scholly just to be safe.

However, any tricks to get the equivalent of more than 85 scholarship players via having rich families pay their own way or what have you IMO is a good thing. So long as you don't treat your walk-ons any differently from the scholly players, that's a great way to legally bend the rules to give you an advantage.
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Post by: oldhawg on February 13, 2018, 03:59:54 pm

... freeing up the program to get essentially a bonus scholarship, that could easily be worth millions of dollars in donation money....
 


That seems a stretch of the imagination at best.

But to play the devil's advocate, perhaps the scholarship to the grandson of a Razorback donor who has already given millions to the program is an expression of gratitude for his support, and a tangible way to say that the Razorbacks would like to continue receiving millions of dollars from him.
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Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on February 13, 2018, 04:09:27 pm

That seems a stretch of the imagination at best.

But to play the devil's advocate, perhaps the scholarship to the grandson of a Razorback donor who has already given millions to the program is an expression of gratitude for his support, and a tangible way to say that the Razorbacks would like to continue receiving millions of dollars from him.

 Or out of necessity, either way I doubt anyone is going to explain it to us unless Bo reads this and gets his callers fired up over it. If there were any way possible my grandson would not have to be on scholarship, and since Jones is considered a booster it may very well be a violation not to give him a scholarship. Although, if I had to guess giving a scholarship would come closer to being a violation rather than having him pay his own way. Maybe CCM thought he was good enough for a scholarship and didn't want to lose him to SMU. IDK, either way it's offseason and this thread is likely to reach 226 pages and go through spurts of subject changes like Texas GSD, White Privilege, romance novels, food choices at Razorback games, food choices at Cowboy's games, what kind of car JSJ drives and would it be a beamer if he were at SMU...
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Post by: bennyl08 on February 13, 2018, 06:09:05 pm

That seems a stretch of the imagination at best.

But to play the devil's advocate, perhaps the scholarship to the grandson of a Razorback donor who has already given millions to the program is an expression of gratitude for his support, and a tangible way to say that the Razorbacks would like to continue receiving millions of dollars from him.

How is that a stretch of the imagination? Unless there is some hidden implication that you are making, what you literally just said is that if that scholarship did not go to JSJ, then it is a stretch of the imagination at best that Morris would have found/chosen to give that scholarship to anybody else in the country. You really think that there is no other player that would have committed here had another scholarship been available?

Eh, I suppose maybe you think the "worth millions of donations" aspects is a stretch. Considering that it was a hedged statement to begin with, not sure how it's a stretch. That "bonus" scholly player may not have amounted to anything, maybe they become such a terrible person that they lose the program money, but it is certainly possible that said extra player could have been a Knile Davis type (high risk high reward) or perhaps a transfer like a Mallett. We don't go to the BCS in 2010 without either of those players. It's a stretch to assume that any individual would have the sort of impact of either of those did, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that a single player could be the difference between a 10 win regular season and an 8-9 win season or that going to the BCS that year increased the uni's funds by at least a million compared to what a 9 win season would have netted us in money.

Your counter example is certainly possible as well. However, while possible, it isn't very logical. Hey, we'd like to save you 100k in paying for this kids college in order to bribe you into giving us millions more dollars yearly into the future! I'd think a way bigger and more meaningful expression of gratitude would be to say "Hey, we'd like to make the program so successful in the future that we'll get even more donations from people other than you, decreasing the need for you to continuously give us money. We'd ask that you pay up to 100k for your grandson to play here as a walk-on allowing us to sign an extra player to a scholarship in hopes that the 100k now could save you millions in the long run, rather than us using a scholarship in a class that's already limited risking depth issues in the future to show you up to a 100k in gratitude while perhaps becoming even more reliant on you donating millions per year on into the future".