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Title: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JD Hogg on September 13, 2017, 04:43:52 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Seebs on September 13, 2017, 04:49:02 pm
Because we have never done it during the Saban/LSU stability era. Why would you expect otherwise? What changed
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Redhogs on September 13, 2017, 04:50:31 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.
Did you expect anything different from these hacks?  Continuing the party like for access to the program.."being Bret Bielema" ring a bell? 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 13, 2017, 04:52:10 pm
Did you expect anything different from these hacks?  Continuing the party like for access to the program.."being Bret Bielema" ring a bell?
If you've listened to Bo lately, he's actually been fairly critical of Bielema. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Bubba's Bruisers on September 13, 2017, 04:53:56 pm
Well, it's an interesting topic.  What HC should we hire to reverse the trend and get us an SECC?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Redhogs on September 13, 2017, 04:58:10 pm
Because we have never done it during the Saban/LSU stability era. Why would you expect otherwise? What changed
We did win 10 and 11 games in consecutive seasons...see that happening anytime soon under the Long CBB regime?  I'll hang up and listen. There is someone out there other than BP that can do that and stay off a motorcycle but it sure the hell ain't these guys....and excepting things as they are now is condoning failure.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: sickboy on September 13, 2017, 05:00:11 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him. 



We've never won an SEC championship in our existence. And we've won one national championship in 150 years of college football.

Not saying we can't get there, but expecting either, at this point is devoid of reason. Totally your prerogative though.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: cj_sez on September 13, 2017, 05:00:43 pm
Even in the Crowe years, I had hopes of a win before every game even when the likelihood was poor. It is disheartening now to realize I am hoping against an embarrassing loss. We've had the thrill of being in contention with Nolan Richardson and it was great. It's not wrong to ever hope to see similar with football, but it is difficult to imagine with CBB if not impossible. I want the aspirations back.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: phadedhawg on September 13, 2017, 05:04:20 pm

We've never won an SEC championship in our existence. And we've won one national championship in 150 years of college football.

Not saying we can't get there, but expecting either, at this point is devoid of reason. Totally your prerogative though.

pretty much this
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: lakecityhog on September 13, 2017, 05:07:41 pm
Why not us? Wasn't that the team's "mantra" last year?

Look at what Gundy is doing in STILLWATER Oklahoma! Look at what Cutcliffe is doing at freaking DUKE!!! Is Wisconsin in a recruiting hotbed? Colorado?

To label Arkansas as hard to recruit to is the biggest lie told in this state! It is hard for me to believe that any kid would rather go to Stillwater than Fayetteville.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: phadedhawg on September 13, 2017, 05:15:34 pm
Why not us? Wasn't that the team's "mantra" last year?

Look at what Gundy is doing in STILLWATER Oklahoma! Look at what Cutcliffe is doing at freaking DUKE!!! Is Wisconsin in a recruiting hotbed? Colorado?

To label Arkansas as hard to recruit to is the biggest lie told in this state! It is hard for me to believe that any kid would rather go to Stillwater than Fayetteville.

Both schools claim a national title from the segregation era of college football.  What do we have on Stillwater?  Just curious...I've never been there myself.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Michael_E_Davis on September 13, 2017, 05:17:14 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches?? Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.

We did hire one of those coaches,  but Jeff Long thought winning didn't matter.  It will probably take a while to find another one that will have us competing at a high level every Saturday in the SEC.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: phadedhawg on September 13, 2017, 05:19:43 pm
We did hire one of those coaches,  but Jeff Long thought winning didn't matter.  It will probably take a while to find another one that will have us competing at a high level every Saturday in the SEC.
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Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: PorkSoda on September 13, 2017, 05:22:08 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.
I don't expect to win the NC, but I do expect to beat the TCUs of the world.

fans aren't mad because we feel just short of winning a championship.  they are mad because we suck and can't even beat a mediocre TCU team.

and not just that we lost, but that we looked lost while we lost
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: rtr on September 13, 2017, 05:39:23 pm
Because we have never done it during the Saban/LSU stability era. Why would you expect otherwise? What changed
All good things come to an end.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 05:47:31 pm
Did he say "compete for" or "win" national and SEC championships every year?

Big difference.

IMO, we should expect to go to a mid range bowl game on a down year.  We should be in the running and talk for the SEC every year to every couple years.  National championships will come if we can compete for the SEC. 

We are not Bama or OU. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: ChitownHawg on September 13, 2017, 05:51:40 pm
We did win 10 and 11 games in consecutive seasons...see that happening anytime soon under the Long CBB regime?  I'll hang up and listen. There is someone out there other than BP that can do that and stay off a motorcycle but it sure the hell ain't these guys....and excepting things as they are now is condoning failure.

What championships did we win those years? As that is what the OP is talking about.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Bubba's Bruisers on September 13, 2017, 05:53:09 pm
What championships did we win those years? As that is what the OP is talking about.

Well, you have to start somewhere.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Bubba's Bruisers on September 13, 2017, 05:55:38 pm
Did he say "compete for" or "win" national and SEC championships every year?

Big difference.

IMO, we should expect to go to a mid range bowl game on a down year.  We should be in the running and talk for the SEC every year to every couple years.  National championships will come if we can compete for the SEC. 

We are not Bama or OU. 

So we should expect a down year to be 8-4?  Because 8-4 gets you a mid-range bowl. 

To be in the running for the SEC, then we're talking 10+ regular season wins (probably at least 7 SEC wins).  We should be expecting that at least every other year?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 13, 2017, 05:56:50 pm
All good things come to an end.

Right now I'd like to be on the level of Oklahoma St.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: PorkSoda on September 13, 2017, 06:27:20 pm
So we should expect a down year to be 8-4?  Because 8-4 gets you a mid-range bowl. 

To be in the running for the SEC, then we're talking 10+ regular season wins (probably at least 7 SEC wins).  We should be expecting that at least every other year?
obviously once you aquire more than 1-2 SEC losses  you fall out of the picture, but until that happens you are still "in the running" during the year. 

IOW, if the team is 5-1 in the SEC with 2 games left, they are still competing for an SEC championship spot.  but if they lose those last 2 games, then they are out of the picture.  That doesn't mean they were never in the picture.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: NorthDallas40 on September 13, 2017, 06:34:13 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.

I'm out of state so help me here. Is Bo the height and hair challenged guy that acted as BB's handler of sorts during a horribly self serving and embrassing and short lived tv show?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 06:42:01 pm
So we should expect a down year to be 8-4?  Because 8-4 gets you a mid-range bowl. 

To be in the running for the SEC, then we're talking 10+ regular season wins (probably at least 7 SEC wins).  We should be expecting that at least every other year?
Yes.  That doesnt mean we are winning everything every year, but that at the beginning of the year we have a team that has a shot.  We could be what LSU & Auburn are potentially.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: WilsonHog on September 13, 2017, 06:42:30 pm
It's a false equivalency; if you aren't happy with our record under Bielema, you must expect us to win a SEC or national title every year.

Or, maybe we could start with just a second place finish in the SEC West?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: fakenews on September 13, 2017, 06:48:38 pm
Id take third right now
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 13, 2017, 06:50:18 pm
It's a false equivalency; if you aren't happy with our record under Bielema, you must expect us to win a SEC or national title every year.

Or, maybe we could start with just a second place finish in the SEC West?

+1000

Count me in for 2nd place.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 06:54:21 pm
It's a false equivalency; if you aren't happy with our record under Bielema, you must expect us to win a SEC or national title every year.

Or, maybe we could start with just a second place finish in the SEC West?
In my case, I still hope CBB is the one to get us there.  I still support him, but am not happy with the W/L.  But since I support him, the haters around here label that as accepting mediocrity.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 06:55:52 pm
Did he say "compete for" or "win" national and SEC championships every year?

Big difference.

IMO, we should expect to go to a mid range bowl game on a down year.  We should be in the running and talk for the SEC every year to every couple years.  National championships will come if we can compete for the SEC. 

We are not Bama or OU. 

" I came to win the SEC"
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: bvillepig on September 13, 2017, 07:12:25 pm
The key is to be competitive enough to have a chance to win every game the opponents  are ranked and blow out the ones that are not.
That's what I expect.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Swestwill66 on September 13, 2017, 07:13:27 pm
In 2010 and 2011 I felt like we could compete with any team in the country. We had an offense that could score from anywhere on the field in one play against anyone! What was Bobby's recruit ranking at that time?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 13, 2017, 07:18:34 pm
Other sports at UA have had tremendous success.  It isn't "Arkansas."
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Bubba's Bruisers on September 13, 2017, 07:21:17 pm
Yes.  That doesnt mean we are winning everything every year, but that at the beginning of the year we have a team that has a shot.  We could be what LSU & Auburn are potentially.

So where BP had us for a couple years.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: bphi11ips on September 13, 2017, 07:25:36 pm
I don't expect to win the NC, but I do expect to beat the TCUs of the world.

fans aren't mad because we feel just short of winning a championship.  they are mad because we suck and can't even beat a mediocre TCU team.

and not just that we lost, but that we looked lost while we lost

TCU looked better than mediocre to me.  They have a bunch of seniors and came out and hit us in the mouth.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Al Boarland on September 13, 2017, 07:25:42 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.

Iím all for having big dreams and saying why not, but there are very real factors that prevent the U of A from being that kind of program. Itís kind of silly not to understand that.

People always like to compare CFB programs to a business and in many aspects it is. Business know markets they work well in. They know they when canít compete with the big boys and thatís what works for them. Are there breakthrough stories? Sure. However, the world is littered with those that tried and failed.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Al Boarland on September 13, 2017, 07:30:52 pm
Why not us? Wasn't that the team's "mantra" last year?

Look at what Gundy is doing in STILLWATER Oklahoma! Look at what Cutcliffe is doing at freaking DUKE!!! Is Wisconsin in a recruiting hotbed? Colorado?

To label Arkansas as hard to recruit to is the biggest lie told in this state! It is hard for me to believe that any kid would rather go to Stillwater than Fayetteville.

Iíll break it down for you. With all the resources the program has it canít buy tradition. The stone cold facts are talented players have to drive by programs with more tradition and similar resources on the long haul to Fayetteville. So, what is our differentiator? We donít have one.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: 12247 on September 13, 2017, 07:35:33 pm
Gentlemen, just for starters, I would settle for a group of players who appeared to know what to do on the field, try really hard to go do that, on occasion, actually have success doing that, give great effort on every play, be excited to actually be there.

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: PorkSoda on September 13, 2017, 07:35:53 pm
Iíll break it down for you. With all the resources the program has it canít buy tradition. The stone cold facts are talented players have to drive by programs with more tradition and similar resources on the long haul to Fayetteville. So, what is our differentiator? We donít have one.
surely you aren't insinuating that our players aren't good. 

I find that hard to believe considering we are in the top 25% of teams in recruiting ranking pretty consistently.  Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed. 

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Hollywood870 on September 13, 2017, 07:39:36 pm

We've never won an SEC championship in our existence. And we've won one national championship in 150 years of college football.

Not saying we can't get there, but expecting either, at this point is devoid of reason. Totally your prerogative though.
Sooo we settle for what we have now instead of striving for what we had under Petrino. That's what we really want. Maybe slip up and win the SEC once every several years while knocking out 9-11 wins the rest of the time. This is what we want.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: 12247 on September 13, 2017, 07:42:36 pm
And I would expect no less from the coaches.  Present a team that seems excited to be there, each of them appear excited to be there, have a HC who didn't appear to have consumed a handful of downers just before he he showed up on the field and who looks as if he is proud of his team and doesn't stand aloof and away from the fray and appears to be coaching, offering advice and taking an interest n the game.  Hell, after that, I would maybe start expecting to win a few and then a few more.  But I don't expect a complete turnaround overnight.

The horse hockey about winning SEC championships and National Titles is an avenue to distract from the crud this HC offers up.  His cult followers are taught to try and throw off and distract anyone who might offer a sane judgement on their Lord of Lords.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 07:43:24 pm
So where BP had us for a couple years.
Yes, minus dirtbag
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: PossumFan on September 13, 2017, 07:44:30 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.

Great post until the last sentence. Once again: The only person responsible for Bobby Petrino being fired is Bobby Petrino.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Al Boarland on September 13, 2017, 07:50:06 pm
surely you aren't insinuating that our players aren't good. 

I find that hard to believe considering we are in the top 25% of teams in recruiting ranking pretty consistently.  Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed.

Yeah, they are pretty good. We donít get the kind of quality talent and depth of about 1/3 of the teams we play, so that leaves 0 margin for error with the toss up teams. The biggest part of coaching in college, especially the SEC, is getting talent. Do you want to be an upset program or a favored program?

It doesnít really matter what you or I want because we are an upset program for the reason I stated in my other post.

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 07:52:49 pm
There's an ocean between where we are and SEC/National title talk.

I just want to be at sea, somewhere.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: HardCore on September 13, 2017, 07:54:30 pm
Did he say "compete for" or "win" national and SEC championships every year?

Big difference.

IMO, we should expect to go to a mid range bowl game on a down year.  We should be in the running and talk for the SEC every year to every couple years.  National championships will come if we can compete for the SEC. 

We are not Bama or OU. 

Just summed up why Bama and OU compete for it every year and we don't.........in a single paragraph
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: EastexHawg on September 13, 2017, 07:54:59 pm
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: WilsonHog on September 13, 2017, 07:57:30 pm
surely you aren't insinuating that our players aren't good. 

I find that hard to believe considering we are in the top 25% of teams in recruiting ranking pretty consistently.  Its the coaches job to put the players in a position to succeed.

Yes, we do have good players, especially when compared to other teams around the country. Compared to our conference opponents, we're usually no better than 4th or 5th in our division.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 07:58:34 pm
Just summed up why Bama and OU compete for it every year and we don't.........in a single paragraph
Yep, bc if we dont win a Natty every year then we need to fire a coach. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JD Hogg on September 13, 2017, 08:51:02 pm
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.

As always, succinct and to the point. Thanks Eastexhawg
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Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 09:11:25 pm
As always, succinct and to the point. Thanks Eastexhawg
Suck what?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 13, 2017, 09:13:20 pm

We've never won an SEC championship in our existence. And we've won one national championship in 150 years of college footbal
l.

Not saying we can't get there, but expecting either, at this point is devoid of reason. Totally your prerogative though.
So you could say we are due.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: swineology on September 13, 2017, 09:19:29 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.

Shame on you
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: HardCore on September 13, 2017, 09:20:54 pm
Yep, bc if we dont win a Natty every year then we need to fire a coach. 

Believe I referenced competing for one, not winning one ever year....even Bama doesn't pull it out every year.  Forget that with this coach and AD
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 13, 2017, 09:22:28 pm
Believe I referenced competing for one, not winning one ever year....even Bama doesn't pull it out every year.  Forget that with this coach and AD
And when Bama doesn't win, what do their fans do?  Call into Ol Finebaum and call for Saban's head.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JD Hogg on September 13, 2017, 09:46:54 pm
Shame on you


Sorry
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 13, 2017, 10:04:38 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him.
go no further than recruiting.  It will tell the tale.  In the past several years, the average recruiting class ranking for Arkansas is something like 10th in the SEC and in the 25th to 27th nationally. 

Now look at the programs who "expect" to contend for an NC each year.  I bet their recruiting is way way better than Ark's.

Have we EVER had the problem of a coach at Arkansas being criticized for having so much talent and not being successful?   I cant remember it.  You never hear people say boy that ARK is loaded with talent but their coach has just squandered it.  Nope, its ALWAYS that when compared to the SEC, the Hogs are just about short on talent.   Now I'm not saying there isn't any talent at Arkansas, but when compared to other SEC programs not named Vandy or Kentucky, there simply isn't enough.  Here and there some talent comes to Ark but its not consistent and its not in big enough numbers. 

This lack of talent is highlighted even more because of the division in which Ark plays--SEC West.   Ark could probably compete fairly well in many conferences, but when compared to SEC West teams like Bama, Auburn, A$M, and LSU, its just not even close. 

IMHO, until Ark gets someone who can get more and better talent to come to Fayetteville, what we have now is what we are going to have--a team that will be around .500.  Sometimes over, a few times under (like this season most likely) and that is about it.  All you have to do is look at the players next time we play Bama, Auburn, LSU or even A$M.  They are most likely bigger.  They are almost surely faster and stronger than Arkansas players.  Its obvious to the naked eye. Hogs don't have the hosses.  And when you couple that with questionable coaching,  well that's when you get 28-7 losses at home to TCU and being outscored in the 2nd half of your last 3 games vs Power 5 teams 70-0. 

That's why we might ought to look at a coach like Memphis's Mike Norvell.  If he can get 3 & 4 stars to come to play football at Memphis, he might be the kind of recruiter we need in Fayetteville.


Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: cj_sez on September 13, 2017, 10:25:21 pm


Have we EVER had the problem of a coach at Arkansas being criticized for having so much talent and not being successful?   





Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, Jonathan Luigs, Marcus Monk, Nate Garner, Mitch Petrus, and others come to mind. Nutt had a very good roster, but was the talent fully utilized? Nope.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: bondhue on September 13, 2017, 10:49:14 pm
And I would expect no less from the coaches.  Present a team that seems excited to be there, each of them appear excited to be there, have a HC who didn't appear to have consumed a handful of downers just before he he showed up on the field and who looks as if he is proud of his team and doesn't stand aloof and away from the fray and appears to be coaching, offering advice and taking an interest n the game.  Hell, after that, I would maybe start expecting to win a few and then a few more.  But I don't expect a complete turnaround overnight.

The horse hockey about winning SEC championships and National Titles is an avenue to distract from the crud this HC offers up.  His cult followers are taught to try and throw off and distract anyone who might offer a sane judgement on their Lord of Lords.
What he said.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: BroyledNutts on September 14, 2017, 01:02:23 am
Right now I'd like to be on the level of Oklahoma St.

Right now I'd like to be on the level of TCU ...
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on September 14, 2017, 07:30:27 am
Great post until the last sentence. Once again: The only person responsible for Bobby Petrino being fired is Bobby Petrino.
I don't recall Petrino writing his own pink slip, however, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: lahawg1 on September 14, 2017, 07:52:49 am
Should we expect to win the SEC every year? I don't think so, but I would like to be in a position to where when Bama, LSU, AU, or any others come to town they are very concerned about coming out with a W. Right now and in the foreseeable future we are considered a "cupcake" and the only teams concerned about us are the Mississippi schools and maybe Mizzu. We are the laughing stock of the West and that is where I have the problem.

It all starts with recruiting and how the coaches sell the program/school to recruits and right now we don't have anything much to sell.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Redhogs on September 14, 2017, 07:54:02 am
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.....
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: jgphillips3 on September 14, 2017, 08:08:12 am
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.

Hammer meet nail.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: hoglady on September 14, 2017, 08:19:05 am
I haven't seen much complaining around here lately about not winning SEC Championships or contending for NC.
There's been plenty of valid complaints about putting a non-competitive team on the field - that doesn't appear ready or motivated to play for 4 quarters and has trouble blocking, running, passing and kicking.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: jcharkansas on September 14, 2017, 08:45:22 am
Well, it's an interesting topic.  What HC should we hire to reverse the trend and get us an SECC?
Listen, I know no one thinks Petrino is a good guy or anything but he had us going the right way in terms of winning. He can't be the only guy that could do that here, there has to be other coaches that can come in and win 10 games the majority of the time and then be around 8 and 4 during down times.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 14, 2017, 08:57:52 am
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.


When we settle for less than we deserve, we get even less than we settled for.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 14, 2017, 09:01:06 am
I want us to win 7-9 most years  2 times every 10 win 10+ a SEC title and get into a NC game.  Win bowl games 95% of the time.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: jkstock04 on September 14, 2017, 09:04:28 am
What would a Razorback football discussion be without half our fans explaining to the other half why we shouldn't really expect to succeed and that any perceived success we may have experienced wasn't really all that good...and was an outlier not likely to be repeated anyway.

The indoctrination is making excellent progress.
Bolded is my favorite. "Flash in a pan" is how ive heard it described many times. My understanding is that what we are doing now is actually sustainable unlike before. Lol

Also, we "almost" lost some of those games...you gotta keep that in mind. Pretty much  the same as a loss since it's not the current coach. You know...cause conference games should never be close. You should always win those by large margins like Bielema does...oh wait.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Etowah on September 14, 2017, 09:04:45 am
Is Oklahoma a large state?

Oh...they border Texas...that is their advantage?

Or could it be they expect to challenge year in and year out for championships?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: GroŖer Kriegschwein on September 14, 2017, 09:07:14 am
How about simply be what he said we would be.

Power running team, strong play action game, controlling the clock, stingy defense. Run for 200 and pass for 200.

That's not what I came up with, that's what he came up with and what the AD though he would come up with when hired.

He has failed to achieve that in a good majority of the games he has been here.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: HoginMemphis on September 14, 2017, 09:07:49 am
What fan expects to win the SEC every year? If a fan expects that, he is one stupid mofo. We have not won the SEC in the entire 25 years we have been in it.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Hogusta National on September 14, 2017, 09:32:50 am
Did you expect anything different from these hacks?  Continuing the party like for access to the program.."being Bret Bielema" ring a bell? 

This kind of drivel cracks me up.  Like another poster said, Bo has been pretty critical this week against Bielema.  I think he is fairly objective.  Alright HV - go ahead and bash me now.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: HawgHawk on September 14, 2017, 09:34:43 am
I don't recall Petrino writing his own pink slip, however, I could be wrong.

Don't know about the slip part, but pink is definitely what brought him down. That and the innate ability to lie about it.


Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 10:00:05 am
I don't recall Petrino writing his own pink slip, however, I could be wrong.
What usually happens when an employee will not do what the employer asks?

But I know youve been beating this drum for several years and nothing will help you see the truth of the matter.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: The_Iceman on September 14, 2017, 10:04:12 am
Smallest state in the SEC with no national relevance and no built in recruiting base. We can compete, but not every year, and likely not for championship regularly
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 10:37:29 am
Smallest state in the SEC with no national relevance and no built in recruiting base. We can compete, but not every year, and likely not for championship regularly
Agreed.  That seems logical, but if that is said then the haters scream that our expectations are too low and we will never be Bama that way. 

Our successful years have always been built around a solid in-state class!  2010-11 was built around Mallet, Childs, Gragg, etc.

2006 was McFadden, Hillis, Anderson, Monk, Luigs, etc.

We always mix in a few out of state gems, but the meat is always home grown.

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: 1highhog on September 14, 2017, 10:43:25 am
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him. 


When in the last 20 years have we won big?  People like to point at the time Petrino was here but seem to forget that he couldn't get past Bama and was for the most part humiliated by Saban while here, and Petrino lost to Ole Miss twice and came close to losing to Western Illinois and ULM his 1st year and had scares his last year even against Vanderbilt, Troy, and Ole Miss again.  Sure, Nutt at Ole Miss this game was his Super Bowl of games but that shouldn't have mattered, we had by far the best Coach and very good players and should have won easily but didn't.  IMO, we haven't won big in 40 years now.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: razoredge178 on September 14, 2017, 10:45:01 am
Right now I'd like to be on the level of Oklahoma St.

Me too. To compare ARK to OKSt means you have to compare the SEC to the Big12. I think OKSt has an easier path to success than we do, from recruiting all the way to their week to week schedule.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Porkette on September 14, 2017, 11:36:52 am
Why on earth would Arkansas fans "expect" to win an SEC championship every 2 or 3 years when we haven't won 1 in our 25 years in the league with 6 different head coaches, and 2006 is the only year we ever really came close? That doesn't make sense. That's not expecting in any kind of rational way, it's just blind hope (which is fine for a fan to have, but not the same thing).  I personally HOPE to see the Razorbacks win one in my lifetime, and believe it is possible, and it would be amazing to see.

Now, I guess it's always POSSIBLE that one person could come along and build a powerhouse here the way John McDonnell did with track, but it would probably mean getting really, really, really  lucky with someone unknown, like track did with him. For the most part, the rich get richer in college football, and it's hard to catch up.

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Kevin on September 14, 2017, 11:40:15 am
win the championship, probably not. in a 5 year period I would like to be in the running for it at least 2 years
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Porkette on September 14, 2017, 11:51:44 am
One more thing to add to my comment, what I most hope for Arkansas in the short term is to get some stability and sustained success with a head coach, like Okie State has with Mike Gundy or TCU has with Gary Patterson. That's the first step, and then you can hope for the year when it all comes together. Of course, lots of schools want that.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on September 14, 2017, 11:52:22 am
Agreed.  That seems logical, but if that is said then the haters scream that our expectations are too low and we will never be Bama that way. 

Our successful years have always been built around a solid in-state class!  2010-11 was built around Mallet, Childs, Gragg, etc.

2006 was McFadden, Hillis, Anderson, Monk, Luigs, etc.

We always mix in a few out of state gems, but the meat is always home grown.
Mallett played football for Texas High in Texarkana, Texas. Sorry to break that to you. The only time Ryan played against a team from Arkansas, it was the annual beginning of the year Texas High v Arkansas High and to say Ryan lit them up would be a huge understatement. Texas plays better football than Arkansas in high school. And it's not even close, ask Shiloh Christian who hung 80 on them when they were 'top dogs' in Arkansas.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Rudy Baylor on September 14, 2017, 12:01:12 pm
Is Oklahoma a large state?

Oh...they border Texas...that is their advantage?

Or could it be they expect to challenge year in and year out for championships?

amen
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: bondhue on September 14, 2017, 01:14:33 pm
Forget Nutt, forget Petrino, forget won loss records, forget everything about the past.  Those are all distractions.

Focus on what Hoglady said above. 

Are you satisfied with what you see on the field.  Does it give you hope for next week?  If we see the same next week, does it give you hope for the rest of the season?

I think the defense will be fine, if the offense and special teams can make progress.  We will see next week if our offense and special teams make any progress.  If they do not make any progress, we are in for a bad meat of schedule run.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Rudy Baylor on September 14, 2017, 01:19:08 pm
Iíll break it down for you. With all the resources the program has it canít buy tradition. The stone cold facts are talented players have to drive by programs with more tradition and similar resources on the long haul to Fayetteville. So, what is our differentiator? We donít have one.

our tradition is mountains above Okie State, Colorado and the other programs he mentioned
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 01:33:19 pm
Mallett played football for Texas High in Texarkana, Texas. Sorry to break that to you. The only time Ryan played against a team from Arkansas, it was the annual beginning of the year Texas High v Arkansas High and to say Ryan lit them up would be a huge understatement. Texas plays better football than Arkansas in high school. And it's not even close, ask Shiloh Christian who hung 80 on them when they were 'top dogs' in Arkansas.
Ryan Mallet was born in Batesville, went to school a few years in Lincoln as well.  He was also a Razoraback fan growing up.  You can have the technicality that he graduated from Texarkana, TX, a whopping mile from the state line, but he was an in-state prospect. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 01:34:24 pm
our tradition is mountains above Okie State, Colorado and the other programs he mentioned
Traditions mean jack crap in modern football.  Notre Dame sucks
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: idochog on September 14, 2017, 03:27:11 pm
Don't expect anything from kiss A$$ from BO on Bielema.  He makes bank off his access by producing Being Brett Bielema.  Dont look for him to mess that up.  You are gonna get fluff and BS mostly from Bo instead of hard hitting commentary.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: BigBrandonAllenFan on September 14, 2017, 03:30:26 pm
We did win 10 and 11 games in consecutive seasons...see that happening anytime soon under the Long CBB regime?  I'll hang up and listen. There is someone out there other than BP that can do that and stay off a motorcycle but it sure the hell ain't these guys....and excepting things as they are now is condoning failure.

Any chance we can get Bobby back?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JD Hogg on September 14, 2017, 03:40:54 pm
Traditions mean jack crap in modern football.  Notre Dame sucks

Thank you for making that point.  Alabama sucked when they had bad coaches.  Same for Oklahoma, USC and Ohio State.  Coaching makes a huge difference.  We need a great coach!!  Can JL find another Petrino w/o the baggage?  I hope so.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: twistitup on September 14, 2017, 03:42:48 pm
Traditions mean jack crap in modern football.  Notre Dame sucks

They were in the top 25
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 03:48:14 pm
They were in the top 25
They almost always start out in the top 15, but as their schedule plays out they lose to mediocre teams and good teams and drop out.  They have not been relevant in years. 

Same for Nebraska. 

Minnesota has more tradition (or at least all-time wins) than Ole Miss. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Hog N Bama on September 14, 2017, 06:10:55 pm
Why not us? Wasn't that the team's "mantra" last year?

Look at what Gundy is doing in STILLWATER Oklahoma! Look at what Cutcliffe is doing at freaking DUKE!!! Is Wisconsin in a recruiting hotbed? Colorado?

To label Arkansas as hard to recruit to is the biggest lie told in this state! It is hard for me to believe that any kid would rather go to Stillwater than Fayetteville.
This guy gets it
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on September 14, 2017, 06:51:24 pm
Mallett played football for Texas High in Texarkana, Texas. Sorry to break that to you. The only time Ryan played against a team from Arkansas, it was the annual beginning of the year Texas High v Arkansas High and to say Ryan lit them up would be a huge understatement. Texas plays better football than Arkansas in high school. And it's not even close, ask Shiloh Christian who hung 80 on them when they were 'top dogs' in Arkansas.

Misleading.  Top dogs in their classification for sure, but Shiloh wouldn't have beaten BV or even FV that season, and certainly didn't have their overall size.  They had no business playing against TX's highest classification.  That was a joke. 

Also...Texarkana AR came up and played Bentonville several years back and got wrecked.  I get what you're saying, but that's stretching it a little to act like we've never had teams that could compete with anyone in TX.   
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 14, 2017, 07:58:16 pm
Misleading.  Top dogs in their classification for sure, but Shiloh wouldn't have beaten BV or even FV that season, and certainly didn't have their overall size.  They had no business playing against TX's highest classification.  That was a joke. 

Also...Texarkana AR came up and played Bentonville several years back and got wrecked.  I get what you're saying, but that's stretching it a little to act like we've never had teams that could compete with anyone in TX.   
And generally, Arkansas High is competitive with Texas High. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: moses_007 on September 15, 2017, 03:11:45 am
Any chance we can get Bobby back?
Hell would freeze over before Long would hire Bobby back. 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Al Boarland on September 15, 2017, 04:08:55 am
Bolded is my favorite. "Flash in a pan" is how ive heard it described many times. My understanding is that what we are doing now is actually sustainable unlike before. Lol

Also, we "almost" lost some of those games...you gotta keep that in mind. Pretty much  the same as a loss since it's not the current coach. You know...cause conference games should never be close. You should always win those by large margins like Bielema does...oh wait.

My favorite part is we ďshould haveĒ won x number of games.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Al Boarland on September 15, 2017, 04:10:42 am
our tradition is mountains above Okie State, Colorado and the other programs he mentioned

We arenít typically competing for those players. If you look at their roster they would not be anything close to the top programs in the SEC.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: ComeonHogs!!! on September 15, 2017, 05:19:29 am
recruiting!!!  We need better players just like every other program. But do we handcuff ourselves with the numbers? we only got what 15 to 18 spots this year? how many 4Th and 5Th year guys are on the 2 deep? I think Bret needs to make a gentlemans agreement with recruits, be on the 2 deep by years 4 and 5, we will give you every chance to play, but you need to get your degree in 4 years. this will allow you to grad transfer. its a ugly side but seem it could be managed. We will never have enough talent by only signing 16, 17 players.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 15, 2017, 07:43:07 am
Any chance we can get Bobby back?

Gonna go out on a limb and say it's more likely that Long hires Gruden before Petrino.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Redhogs on September 15, 2017, 08:06:19 am
This guy gets it
Yes he does. And list is allot longer than that.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: woodrow hog call on September 15, 2017, 09:15:55 am
This kind of drivel cracks me up.  Like another poster said, Bo has been pretty critical this week against Bielema.  I think he is fairly objective.  Alright HV - go ahead and bash me now.


These morons would rather remain ignorant than actually listen to somebody with actual facts about the program, and real insight as to what happens during the meetings and game prep.
But on second thought it was only  Clint Stoerner, he probably doesn't know near as much as all of these experts we have here.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on September 17, 2017, 12:08:59 pm
Ryan Mallet was born in Batesville, went to school a few years in Lincoln as well.  He was also a Razoraback fan growing up.  You can have the technicality that he graduated from Texarkana, TX, a whopping mile from the state line, but he was an in-state prospect.
you just can't grasp the concept...the kid played football in the state of Texas...just because the HS he played for is about 3 miles from the state line means squat because Mallett honed his abilities playing teams from Texas, not Shiloh Christian or Fayetteville High ...once again, the team that hung 80 (and could have been 120 if the Trinity High coach had not started playing freshmen) proves my point...oh, and Mallett had a shoot out as a 10th grade QB against senior Matthew Stafford (highest paid QB in the NFL) when Texas High played Highland Park at the Cowboys Stadium at Irving, TX...the score was 27-24, Highland    man, I could go on and on...I'm a huge Hog fan but we get the occasional great player out of Arkansas, but down through history, our best players have come from Texas
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: rickfahr on September 17, 2017, 12:34:13 pm
In 2010 and 2011 I felt like we could compete with any team in the country. We had an offense that could score from anywhere on the field in one play against anyone! What was Bobby's recruit ranking at that time?

Absolutely this. I felt like we had a chance against ANYBODY. Now? Good grief.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 17, 2017, 04:30:21 pm
you just can't grasp the concept...the kid played football in the state of Texas...just because the HS he played for is about 3 miles from the state line means squat because Mallett honed his abilities playing teams from Texas, not Shiloh Christian or Fayetteville High ...once again, the team that hung 80 (and could have been 120 if the Trinity High coach had not started playing freshmen) proves my point...oh, and Mallett had a shoot out as a 10th grade QB against senior Matthew Stafford (highest paid QB in the NFL) when Texas High played Highland Park at the Cowboys Stadium at Irving, TX...the score was 27-24, Highland    man, I could go on and on...I'm a huge Hog fan but we get the occasional great player out of Arkansas, but down through history, our best players have come from Texas
Oh I understand that he played and graduated in Texas.  That wasn't the issue in question.  We were talking about his recruiting, not his competition in high school.  The kid was a hog fan growing up and live a big chunk of his life in the state of Arkansas.  He's not some born and raised A&M fan that came here bc of our excellent recruiting tactics... he could have gone any place in the world and played football.  He chose Arkansas bc HE wanted to be a Hog. 

Continue your agenda tho.  I know Texas competition makes QBs grow to 6'7 and be able to drop passes into small windows at 60+ yards.  Thanks Texas High!  (http://)
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on September 17, 2017, 09:46:53 pm
Oh I understand that he played and graduated in Texas.  That wasn't the issue in question.  We were talking about his recruiting, not his competition in high school.  The kid was a hog fan growing up and live a big chunk of his life in the state of Arkansas.  He's not some born and raised A&M fan that came here bc of our excellent recruiting tactics... he could have gone any place in the world and played football.  He chose Arkansas bc HE wanted to be a Hog. 

Continue your agenda tho.  I know Texas competition makes QBs grow to 6'7 and be able to drop passes into small windows at 60+ yards.  Thanks Texas High!  (http://)
Actually he chose Michigan and transferred here when Lloyd Carr retired and Rich "run and shoot" Rodriguez was hired. I will say this much, he would have come to Arkansas if Mitch Mustain had went elsewhere other than Arkansas. And yes we were discussing recruiting and my point was and remains that when the UA recruits Texas well our football team is much better. That's why our program has run in cycles over the years, ie 4-7 to 5-6 and then we get an infusion of talent from out of state and bang the Hogs will go 9-2, 8-3 and so on. No need to tell me we play 12 games now I know this. I purposely used the 11 game season because those were the years we accomplished the most with out of state recruits. Chip Kelly, while at Oregon, used to raid northeast Texas' talent and did quite well.
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Post by: JaketheSnake on September 17, 2017, 09:54:36 pm
Actually he chose Michigan and transferred here when Lloyd Carr retired and Rich "run and shoot" Rodriguez was hired. I will say this much, he would have come to Arkansas if Mitch Mustain had went elsewhere other than Arkansas. And yes we were discussing recruiting and my point was and remains that when the UA recruits Texas well our football team is much better. That's why our program has run in cycles over the years, ie 4-7 to 5-6 and then we get an infusion of talent from out of state and bang the Hogs will go 9-2, 8-3 and so on. No need to tell me we play 12 games now I know this. I purposely used the 11 game season because those were the years we accomplished the most with out of state recruits. Chip Kelly, while at Oregon, used to raid northeast Texas' talent and did quite well.
Everyone knows Mallett went to Meechigan first, sat out a year, then lit it up. My point remains that the hogs' upward cycles always come 2-4 years after a good in-state class.  Our out of state recruiting doesn't really change.  We grab 1-3 4* prospects and a bunch of 3*s
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Jimbob111 on September 17, 2017, 10:03:40 pm
It's a false equivalency; if you aren't happy with our record under Bielema, you must expect us to win a SEC or national title every year.

Or, maybe we could start with just a second place finish in the SEC West?

I agree 100%. Just because I'm unhappy with Beliema's atrocious record doesn't mean I expect Arkansas to win the SEC. It means I expect Arkansas to beat Toledo. And Rutgers. And Ole Miss. And Mississippi state (although they look really good). And Auburn at least half the time. And Mizzou. And USC-E. And Florida half the time. And LSU 3/4 of the time. And Alabama once every 5 years or so.

Those wins are possible with a competent coaching staff, not guaranteed but possible. But not with this staff.

I'm unhappy with Beliema's record and inability to coach. His record is what it is. Look at Wisconsin since he left. Were those Rose Bowl games Beliema's or the system's? I think the system up in Madison has proven itself.  BB? Nope. Abject failure since leaving Wisconsin.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: LZH on September 17, 2017, 10:14:08 pm
I agree 100%. Just because I'm unhappy with Beliema's atrocious record doesn't mean I expect Arkansas to win the SEC. It means I expect Arkansas to beat Toledo. And Rutgers. And Ole Miss. And Mississippi state (although they look really good). And Auburn at least half the time. And Mizzou. And USC-E. And Florida half the time. And LSU 3/4 of the time. And Alabama once every 5 years or so.

Those wins are possible with a competent coaching staff, not guaranteed but possible. But not with this staff.

I'm unhappy with Beliema's record and inability to coach. His record is what it is. Look at Wisconsin since he left. Were those Rose Bowl games Beliema's or the system's? I think the system up in Madison has proven itself.  BB? Nope. Abject failure since leaving Wisconsin.

Isn't it odd that all the excuse makers are totally absent from any of these threads? Wonder why that is?
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: doc53 on September 17, 2017, 10:40:06 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him. 

Well said. I know several who feel the same way.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: doc53 on September 17, 2017, 10:42:04 pm
I know, that's my first mistake.  But I'm listening to him talk about how reasonable fans realize that we can't expect to win the national or SEC championship every year.  I'm so sick of hearing this.  Why can't we expect it?  What makes Alabama or Oklahoma the only programs that can expect to compete for championships?

I hate this type of thinking.  Granted, Long and Bielema have beat us down and it's hard to think we might win.  But, Alabama and Oklahoma are in the positions they're in because of things that they've done and coaches they've hired.  Why can't we do those same things.  Why can't we hire those type coaches??  Granted we are a small state, but we are united behind the Hogs.  We will spend money.  I don't think our facilities are second rate.  When we need something, we get or build it.  Plus, it's been proven that with the right type of coach, we can win and win big.  I'm so sick of the "l'il ole Arkysaw" "woe is me" crap that is spewed by the news media and broadcast media to enable and excuse the poor performances by coaches over the years.

BTW, what is win at all costs?  What does that mean exactly?  It's thrown out there I think to shut people down that want to have winning program, and by that I mean win lots of games, not just 7-5!!!  I want to win at all costs within the confines of fairness and rules of the game and recruiting, etc...  I also want the players to get educated and graduate.  But I also want them to win games.  I'm certain they want to win as well.  But I don't think we've ever had a coach that had a "win at all costs" mentality with the implication being that he would cheat etc.. to win.  Frank Broyles wasn't like that.  Lou Holtz wasn't.  Hatfield, Ford, Nutt, Petrino, none of those coaches were like that.  However, I think it is possible that when the news media uses that phrase they are pointing directly at Petrino, not because of how he coached or recruited, but because he wasn't nice to them and he didn't make their job easy.  It's obvious they hated him.  He might have deserved the hate, I don't know.  But, I do know he proved that with the right coach, Arkansas could be a program that could possibly win championships.

Arkansas needs a great coach to win, no big secret.  But here's the big secret about coaching in general.  Every program needs a great coach to win.  Alabama has struggled.  Remember Mike Shula?  They weren't world beaters when he was there along with some other coaches they had.  Same with Oklahoma, they are average when they have average coaches.  I'm not gonna say Bret Bielema is not going to be a great coach.  I'm not a fortune teller.  But I will say he has not been a great coach so far.  If he was, then the proof of that would be on the field and in the win/loss column.  Say what you will about Petrino, but he was a great coach here.  I hope the next time, if there is a next time, that we get a great coach that he won't be fired the first time the haters get their chance to fire him. 

Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 17, 2017, 10:44:06 pm
Isn't it odd that all the excuse makers are totally absent from any of these threads? Wonder why that is?
CBB had as many double digit win seasons as Alvarez, in half the time it took Alvarez.  But that was just bc of Alvarez right?  Enough excuse making for you?

I still hope CBB can get this turned around and quickly.  As stated in another thread, firing CBB isn't good for anyone.  It would be much better all around f he can get to 7-8 wins this year and 9-10 next year.

If wanting the hogs to do win and wanting the least amount of drama for the hogs to win is considered excuse making, then I'm an excuse maker.

It took Alvarez and Mullen several years to get their programs running.  I still have hope that CBB is almost there.  Im not afraid to can him if he cannt, but I want to be sure before we pull that trigger.  No one enjoys the losses or the decisions that make no sense right now.  I think most fans agree with that.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: Coondog Hog on September 17, 2017, 10:51:29 pm
TCU looked better than mediocre to me.  They have a bunch of seniors and came out and hit us in the mouth.
They tried all day to give us the game and we sucked so bad we couldn't accept a free gift
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Post by: LZH on September 17, 2017, 10:52:37 pm
CBB had as many double digit win seasons as Alvarez, in half the time it took Alvarez.  But that was just bc of Alvarez right?

Yes, I believe so. You don't think HDN was on the phone with Uncle Frank everyone other day asking for some help/advice?

How has Wisconsin done since Bielema left? And who is still there? Without Barry, Bielema is on his own. He just can't cut it.

Sugar coat it however you wish, but Bielema has failed miserably and sadly enough, this may be his worst year-to-date.
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Post by: JaketheSnake on September 17, 2017, 11:01:28 pm
Yes, I believe so. You don't think HDN was on the phone with Uncle Frank everyone other day asking for some help/advice?

How has Wisconsin done since Bielema left? And who is still there? Without Barry, Bielema is on his own. He just can't cut it.

Sugar coat it however you wish, but Bielema has failed miserably and sadly enough, this may be his worst year-to-date.
Failed miserably?  With the exception of 3 of the last 4 games we have shown improvement overall.  The losses to Mizzou and VT last year were pathetic.  We seemed helpless vs TCU.  We are also playing lots of younger kids that will improve as the year goes by.  We lost our best RB and best DB to injuries. 

We could still win 8 games by the end of the year.  That would still be a step in the right direction and show that CBB still has this team. 

If we fall flat, miss a bowl game, lose to Mizzou this year, then I'll join the dark side. 

Your basing "worst year yet" off two games, one blow out and one loss to a current top 25 team.  It's still premature to call this season the worst yet unless you are hoping he loses.

And Wiscy hasn't been back to the Rose Bowl.  BCS games are the main way success is defined here.
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Post by: Quickdraw on September 17, 2017, 11:13:22 pm
To win more than 6 games on average a season. The BOT, Chancellor, AD and the HC has to be on the same page. The head coach ask the players, how bad do you want it? We'll, the same question goes back to them. And history shows that the BOT, Chancellor, AD and the HC are not on the same page.
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Post by: LZH on September 17, 2017, 11:18:05 pm
Failed miserably?  With the exception of 3 of the last 4 games we have shown improvement overall.  The losses to Mizzou and VT last year were pathetic.  We seemed helpless vs TCU.  We are also playing lots of younger kids that will improve as the year goes by.  We lost our best RB and best DB to injuries. 

We could still win 8 games by the end of the year.  That would still be a step in the right direction and show that CBB still has this team. 

If we fall flat, miss a bowl game, lose to Mizzou this year, then I'll join the dark side. 

Your basing "worst year yet" off two games, one blow out and one loss to a current top 25 team.  It's still premature to call this season the worst yet unless you are hoping he loses.

And Wiscy hasn't been back to the Rose Bowl.  BCS games are the main way success is defined here.

Compared to his predecessor, yes he has failed. Even compared with Nutt he has grossly underachieved. I honestly thought when we went to Baton Rouge and slapped LSU around a couple of years ago that we had turned the corner. That obviously was the highlight of BB's tenure here.

And yes, I am basing my worst year yet off of one game. But we have shown only regression, and I don't remember seeing a more pitiful performance in all phases of the game since he has been here. So yeah, if we win 5 games this year I will be shocked.
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Post by: snoblind on September 17, 2017, 11:30:43 pm
Thank you for making that point.  Alabama sucked when they had bad coaches.  Same for Oklahoma, USC and Ohio State.  Coaching makes a huge difference.  We need a great coach!!  Can JL find another Petrino w/o the baggage?  I hope so.

If you aren't capable of knowing/understanding the differences between Arkansas and the 4 schools you named that is a you problem.

Hiring a better coach starts with having an AD capable of making the hire.  Don't see that we have that now.  Who knows?  Funny how sometimes things work themselves out.  We will see.
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Post by: JaketheSnake on September 17, 2017, 11:30:51 pm
Compared to his predecessor, yes he has failed. Even compared with Nutt he has grossly underachieved. I honestly thought when we went to Baton Rouge and slapped LSU around a couple of years ago that we had turned the corner. That obviously was the highlight of BB's tenure here.

And yes, I am basing my worst year yet off of one game. But we have shown only regression, and I don't remember seeing a more pitiful performance in all phases of the game since he has been here. So yeah, if we win 5 games this year I will be shocked.
Lot of trophies from his predecessor too.  How many SECW championships did he win? 
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: micali on September 18, 2017, 06:30:52 pm
Did you expect anything different from these hacks?  Continuing the party like for access to the program.."being Bret Bielema" ring a bell?
Being BB was his first show. He has already done another one on someone else. It wasnt a BB reality show.
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Post by: LZH on September 18, 2017, 08:20:34 pm
Lot of trophies from his predecessor too.  How many SECW championships did he win? 

That is a way over used cut and paste answer whenever this issue comes up. I mean hell, no one could stop Cam Newton that year. And the next year we could not run the ball against Alabama or LSU and that caused us a lot of 3 & outs, hence the scores.

But it isn't like he wasn't the most likely guy to have put us in a position to win a championship in a long, long time. I don't know why some of you people get so defensive when that is spoken of. Wasn't he your coach too, as the head cat for the Razorbacks? I don't remember reading anyone on here while we were winning ballgames say "boy that Petrino sure is a mediocre ass coach."
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 18, 2017, 10:01:34 pm
That is a way over used cut and paste answer whenever this issue comes up. I mean hell, no one could stop Cam Newton that year. And the next year we could not run the ball against Alabama or LSU and that caused us a lot of 3 & outs, hence the scores.

But it isn't like he wasn't the most likely guy to have put us in a position to win a championship in a long, long time. I don't know why some of you people get so defensive when that is spoken of. Wasn't he your coach too, as the head cat for the Razorbacks? I don't remember reading anyone on here while we were winning ballgames say "boy that Petrino sure is a mediocre ass coach."
Selective memory.  Plenty of complaining about BP when he was here.  free willy, no defense, cannt win the big game, couldn't run when we needed to some years, etc.
He WAS our coach.  Now he isn't and he left us in a terrible spot. 

Move on.
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Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 18, 2017, 10:12:10 pm
Yep, bc if we dont win a Natty every year then we need to fire a coach.
Nonsense..bc if we have a coach who is 8-20 after 4 years of conference play, well .....bc that is just fine and dandy.
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Post by: JaketheSnake on September 18, 2017, 10:22:17 pm
Nonsense..bc if we have a coach who is 8-20 after 4 years of conference play, well .....bc that is just fine and dandy.
Every coach we have needed to fire at some point.  But apparently Mullen is killing it and we need him badly.  Don't get me wrong, is love to have him but he would never get the time here that he has at MSU to get the program right.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: PORKULATOR on September 18, 2017, 10:46:38 pm
you just can't grasp the concept...the kid played football in the state of Texas...just because the HS he played for is about 3 miles from the state line means squat because Mallett honed his abilities playing teams from Texas, not Shiloh Christian or Fayetteville High ...once again, the team that hung 80 (and could have been 120 if the Trinity High coach had not started playing freshmen) proves my point...oh, and Mallett had a shoot out as a 10th grade QB against senior Matthew Stafford (highest paid QB in the NFL) when Texas High played Highland Park at the Cowboys Stadium at Irving, TX...the score was 27-24, Highland    man, I could go on and on...I'm a huge Hog fan but we get the occasional great player out of Arkansas, but down through history, our best players have come from Texas
his uncle was an assistant (Dcoordinater) for my HS til Junior year. The whole family is from Arkansas. In state prospect....
It just turns the screw doesn't it.... Tightening'round the temple for others to disagree with you. Ha
Enjoy
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Post by: PonderinHog on September 18, 2017, 11:05:33 pm
That is a way over used cut and paste answer whenever this issue comes up. I mean hell, no one could stop Cam Newton that year. And the next year we could not run the ball against Alabama or LSU and that caused us a lot of 3 & outs, hence the scores.

But it isn't like he wasn't the most likely guy to have put us in a position to win a championship in a long, long time. I don't know why some of you people get so defensive when that is spoken of. Wasn't he your coach too, as the head cat for the Razorbacks? I don't remember reading anyone on here while we were winning ballgames say "boy that Petrino sure is a mediocre ass coach."
All I know is Nick Saban had a very worried, almost shocked, look on his face at halftime of the 2010 game.  It was a sight to behold.  I'd like to see that look again some day.
Title: Re: I'm sitting here listening to the Bo Mattingly show...
Post by: JaketheSnake on September 18, 2017, 11:17:13 pm
All I know is Nick Saban had a very worried, almost shocked, look on his face at halftime of the 2010 game.  It was a sight to behold.  I'd like to see that look again some day.
Saban only has one look... Blue Steel