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Title: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 14, 2017, 08:17:22 pm
https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/853052553654939653

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Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 08:21:57 pm
https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/853052553654939653

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Wish Macon nothing but the best. he needs to do what is best for him and his family. if he leaves,he leaves.the program will be just fine.C.J. Jones will step up. i am excited with or without Macon.this program is strong under Mike Anderson.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on April 14, 2017, 08:26:01 pm
Have expected Macon to leave. Glad he came for a year and wish him well. Just by watching how Mike has been recruiting I think he knew it was likely Macon would leave. I actually think he can play in the NBA. Not get drafted but he has the skill and is a good enough athlete to make it in the NBA.
Now hope Mike can close on some of these late recruits. I am not worried one bit. Sign Mike to an extension and lets get rolling.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PORKULATOR on April 14, 2017, 08:26:55 pm
Well, he gone.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mhuff on April 14, 2017, 08:27:57 pm
Where?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogimus Prime on April 14, 2017, 08:28:17 pm
Glad he got to live out his dream of being a Razorback. Wish him the best
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 08:36:48 pm
He needs to do what is best for he and his family.he may make it or not make it. but i am 100% pulling for him to make it in basketball by getting paid.i can not wait to see C.J.Jones play next year. i think he can match or put up better numbers than Macon. his offensive talent is off the charts.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 08:38:51 pm
We're cursed. That's all there is to it. So many players have gone pro early with little chance to be drafted.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 14, 2017, 08:40:46 pm
What is it about our program that makes so many non-NBA players leave early?

Mike has to figure this out and make changes.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 14, 2017, 08:44:17 pm
Crap.  Does any program have more players with iffy NBA prospects leave eligibility on the table?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ADavisTheGOAT on April 14, 2017, 08:45:29 pm
You can kiss any shot at an NCAA tournament next year goodbye
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: McKdaddy on April 14, 2017, 08:48:16 pm
(sigh)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 14, 2017, 08:50:42 pm
So Anderson can get "one and done" recruits.
 :-\
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: pigroots on April 14, 2017, 08:52:07 pm
He cannot be replaced by a freshman. He was a warrior and he was clutch. Good luck to DM if he leaves but another year would give him a much better shot at the next level
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 08:53:53 pm
You can kiss any shot at an NCAA tournament next year goodbye
Hogs will be in the Dance again next year.we have a chance to add even more 4 stars to the 2017 class.this program has tured the corner and will be strong for years under Mike Anderson.remember what i told you guys after the losses to Mizzo and Vandy,when a lot of you wanted Mike fired?i was right then. and i will be right again.the Hogs will be fine next year.just sit back and enjoy.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 08:54:55 pm
You can kiss any shot at an NCAA tournament next year goodbye
Wrong.Stop,just stop.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ThisTeetsTaken on April 14, 2017, 08:55:36 pm
So Anderson can get "one and done" recruits.
 :-\
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 08:55:48 pm
Crap.  Does any program have more players with iffy NBA prospects leave eligibility on the table?

Seems like it happens to the Hogs A LOT.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: pigture perfect on April 14, 2017, 08:56:29 pm
I didn't see anything there but a grateful kid who wanted to say thanks. I will hold that opinion until I see that he has signed with an agent.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 08:57:56 pm
What is it about our program that makes so many non-NBA players leave early?

Mike has to figure this out and make changes.
Do you guys ever stop? Mike has nothing to do with this.there is nothing for him to stop.players come,and players go.PERIOD!you gloom and Doom folks were the same ones who said the program was dead after the Mizzo loss.you were wrong then.and you will be wrong again.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on April 14, 2017, 08:59:21 pm
Good luck young man
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 08:59:34 pm
I didn't see anything there but a grateful kid who wanted to say thanks. I will hold that opinion until I see that he has signed with an agent.

Reports indicate that to be a near-eventually, my friend. Wish him well but I'm honestly pretty ticked at this one. Just frustrating that this keeps happening when we're on the verge of something.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 08:59:51 pm
What is it about our program that makes so many non-NBA players leave early?

Mike has to figure this out and make changes.

What did you suggest?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: wavybone on April 14, 2017, 09:01:24 pm
So Markel Crawford anyone?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhog1 on April 14, 2017, 09:02:57 pm
says invalid tweet what did it say? I am assuming it said he's gone.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: poloprince on April 14, 2017, 09:03:45 pm
Well, he gone.

Not so fast my friend
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:03:54 pm
Reports indicate that to be a near-eventually, my friend. Wish him well but I'm honestly pretty ticked at this one. Just frustrating that this keeps happening when we're on the verge of something.
Why are you ticked? the program is in great shape.we have an outstanding coach who is recruiting better than he ever has. the program is strong and getting stronger.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TomasPistola on April 14, 2017, 09:03:56 pm
Tweet deleted. Interesting.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 14, 2017, 09:04:12 pm
Do you guys ever stop? Mike has nothing to do with this.there is nothing for him to stop.players come,and players go.PERIOD!you gloom and Doom folks were the same ones who said the program was dead after the Mizzo loss.you were wrong then.and you will be wrong again.

Been going on for years....well before Mike became head coach here.  Still, it is a problem.  It is fine for Portis types to leave early, but when you repeatedly have players that ultimately do not get drafted leave early it is only that much tougher to sustain any meaningful success.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 09:04:23 pm
Meanwhile Kevaughn Allen at Florida a all SEC first teamer is getting ready for his junior season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: tophawg19 on April 14, 2017, 09:05:04 pm
may be reading too much into it . Lets wait and see what the NBA report says when he gets it back
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogimus Prime on April 14, 2017, 09:05:54 pm
This sucks but MA and the Higs will be alright.  MA and staff have been hitting the recruiting trail hard.  This would be a great spot for a Markel Crawford type, that can come in and be a key player for a year, grdduate and still have an open spot for 2017
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:06:02 pm
What is it about our program that makes so many non-NBA players leave early?

Mike has to figure this out and make changes.

Maybe MA just deleted the text, LOL.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hog Pharm on April 14, 2017, 09:06:51 pm
2 steps forward, 2 steps back. We really needed to continue the momentum forward and make the tournament again next year. Now it's going to be extremely difficult. Losing the majority of our scoring again. SMH
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:07:50 pm
Why are you ticked? the program is in great shape.we have an outstanding coach who is recruiting better than he ever has. the program is strong and getting stronger.

Because we could have been really special with him and Barford back. We're right that the program is getting stronger but that's why it's so frustrating. You cannot deny that this loss weakens for next season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Bacon_Bitz on April 14, 2017, 09:08:57 pm
Any doubt removed by the Razorback nation report
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:09:07 pm
Because we could have been really special with him and Barford back. We're right that the program is getting stronger but that's why it's so frustrating. You cannot deny that this loss weakens for next season.

Gigantic loss. That's the difference in really good teams besides UK - seniors coming back
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:09:27 pm
Been going on for years....well before Mike became head coach here.  Still, it is a problem.  It is fine for Portis types to leave early, but when you repeatedly have players that ultimately do not get drafted leave early it is only that much tougher to sustain any meaningful success.
That's on the player,and not the coach.nothing any coach can or should do about it.players should do what they say is best for them and their family.PERIOD!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 14, 2017, 09:09:28 pm
What did it say?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:10:02 pm
Because we could have been really special with him and Barford back. We're right that the program is getting stronger but that's why it's so frustrating. You cannot deny that this loss weakens for next season.

It certainly doesn't help, but I got the impression that Macon wasn't happy with his role most of the season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:10:14 pm
 :puke:
That's on the player,and not the coach.nothing any coach can or should do about it.players should do what they say is best for them and their family.PERIOD!

How, then, does it not happen to other schools like UNC? Gonzaga? South Carolina? etc.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhames on April 14, 2017, 09:10:34 pm
Any doubt removed by the Razorback nation report


They were just going off of his tweet.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:12:18 pm
It certainly doesn't help, but I got the impression that Macon wasn't happy with his role most of the season.

That crap is getting frustrating, too. Tired of hearing that.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:12:28 pm
Because we could have been really special with him and Barford back. We're right that the program is getting stronger but that's why it's so frustrating. You cannot deny that this loss weakens for next season.
Yes i can deny it. i love Macon. but i think C.J.Jones can be better than him.just remember i posted this.CJ is going to be really good next year.the program will be fine next year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:15:01 pm
:puke:
How, then, does it not happen to other schools like UNC? Gonzaga? South Carolina? etc.

Because different people make different decisions.simple as that.players leaving is nothing new.and nothing a coach can do about it.get excited about CJ Jones.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:15:33 pm
C.J. Jones can be but he isn't going to go from hardly playing meaningful action to being better than Macon immediately. That's just not going to happen. Macon was/is a big time player for the Hogs. We hope Jones will be. I'm hoping Macon might have come to his senses now that he deleted the tweet.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: poloprince on April 14, 2017, 09:16:25 pm
Tweet deleted. Interesting.

Daryl play too much lol
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:16:34 pm
That crap is getting frustrating, too. Tired of hearing that.

It is frustrating. I just felt like he was inconsistent and uncomfortable unless he had control of the ball. He was definitely the biggest ball stopper on the team which isn't unusual early on for a juco guard. He would have been better about it next season more than likely. Oh well, they all leave sometime.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 14, 2017, 09:16:36 pm
 
Do you guys ever stop? Mike has nothing to do with this.there is nothing for him to stop.players come,and players go.PERIOD!you gloom and Doom folks were the same ones who said the program was dead after the Mizzo loss.you were wrong then.and you will be wrong again.
Bud, you can kick rocks.  How is what I said "doom and gloom?"  I didn't blame Mike for anything.  I said our coach needs to figure out why this is happening and make changes. 

I feel sorry for you that you have to beat your chest over and over on a message board about how right you were in some argument from months ago.  Grow up troll.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:16:52 pm
Because different people make different decisions.simple as that.players leaving is nothing new.and nothing a coach can do about it.get excited about CJ Jones.

What will you check down to if C.J. Jones transfers?

You can't hide from losing Macon hurting the Hogs for next season. That's a fool's stance.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:17:48 pm
Because different people make different decisions.simple as that.players leaving is nothing new.and nothing a coach can do about it.get excited about CJ Jones.

FCJ, my man, our five (six if Barford leaves) biggest players we have had in the MA era have decided not to come back. That doesn't happen to other teams. That's on the coach.

BJ Young
Marshawn Powell
Mike Qualls
Bobby Portis
Daryl Macon
(Barford tbd)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 09:18:12 pm
It certainly doesn't help, but I got the impression that Macon wasn't happy with his role most of the season.

When you're not on the NBA radar you have to be coachable and a good teammate. I'm not saying that Macon wasn't but he did say things changed when he started listening to the coaches. I wish him well and hopes he succeed in the future. Barford will be back and some other perimeter guys have to step up.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 09:18:53 pm
FCJ, my man, our five (six if Barford leaves) biggest players we have had in the MA era have decided not to come back. That doesn't happen to other teams. That's on the coach.

Find something against MA. Nice try
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 14, 2017, 09:19:02 pm
I wish there was a screen cap of the tweet since it's gone now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hog Pharm on April 14, 2017, 09:19:05 pm

They were just going off of his tweet.

No, they said they confirmed with sources.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:21:13 pm
C.J. Jones can be but he isn't going to go from hardly playing meaningful action to being better than Macon immediately. That's just not going to happen. Macon was/is a big time player for the Hogs. We hope Jones will be. I'm hoping Macon might have come to his senses now that he deleted the tweet.
How do you know this? remember early last season some of you were saying the Juco guys were not that good.and the Hogs could not make the Dance with so many Jucos.CJ has been in the program a full year.and the talent is there for him to be an outstanding player.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:22:10 pm
I wish there was a screen cap of the tweet since it's gone now.

https://twitter.com/Mary_Dunleavy/status/853070563979522048/photo/1
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:22:18 pm
No, they said they confirmed with sources.

They've deleted their posting as well....
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhames on April 14, 2017, 09:22:47 pm
No, they said they confirmed with sources.


Link?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HawgnCorona on April 14, 2017, 09:23:04 pm
No, they said they confirmed with sources.

Which has been deleted/taken down too...Soooo.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:23:20 pm
How do you know this? remember early last season some of you were saying the Juco guys were not that good.and the Hogs could not make the Dance with so many Jucos.CJ has been in the program a full year.and the talent is there for him to be an outstanding player.

Wasn't me, bub. My post history shows that I expected Barford and Macon to be good from the get-go. Try that on someone else.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 09:23:50 pm
Find something against MA. Nice try
He keeps trying,and he keeps failing.remember these were the same folks who said Hogs would not make the Dance.and that Mike would be fired at the end of the year.how did that work out for them.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 14, 2017, 09:24:08 pm
They've deleted their posting as well....

Lol. This is getting funny.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 14, 2017, 09:24:28 pm
https://twitter.com/Mary_Dunleavy/status/853070563979522048/photo/1

That's hardly definitive.  Maybe Macon is just trolling? If so not a good look, but it certainly didn't say "I'm not coming back".
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Bacon_Bitz on April 14, 2017, 09:24:55 pm
Which has been deleted/taken down too...Soooo.

A retraction! There is hope
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:25:03 pm
FCJ, my man, our five (six if Barford leaves) biggest players we have had in the MA era have decided not to come back. That doesn't happen to other teams. That's on the coach.

BJ Young
Marshawn Powell
Mike Qualls
Bobby Portis
Daryl Macon
(Barford tbd)

Powell had graduated.

Qualls would have been drafted had he not blown his knee out in a pre draft workout.

Young was always a head case which is why he had very few big time offers despite his recruiting rankings.  MA didn't even recruit him at Mizzou.

Who knows with Macon.

But what you are not seeing is that each situation was different. There aren't any one size fits all solutions like you are implying.

By the way, Kingsley stayed just last season. Just sayin'

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:25:08 pm
He keeps trying,and he keeps failing.remember these were the same folks who said Hogs would not make the Dance.and that Mike would be fired at the end of the year.how did that work out for them.

I didn't say MA would be fired. If you want us to get to the next level, still think he should be. He won't get it done for this exact reason. Two weeks after the season he hadn't even met with these guys. Bielema has meetings set up before the games even happen. Attention to detail is not something MA possesses.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhames on April 14, 2017, 09:26:40 pm
That's hardly definitive.  Maybe Macon is just trolling? If so not a good look, but it certainly didn't say "I'm not coming back".


That's how I feel too. I don't think he meant it as a farewell but a "Just in case"
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HawgnCorona on April 14, 2017, 09:26:59 pm
I think I will just stick with the official report. He and Barford have entered their names but  have not select agent.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 14, 2017, 09:27:10 pm
I didn't say MA would be fired. If you want us to get to the next level, still think he should be. He won't get it done for this exact reason. Two weeks after the season he hadn't even met with these guys. Bielema has meetings set up before the games even happen. Attention to detail is not something MA possesses.

Wait. How are you privy to what and when coach Anderson meets with players?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 09:27:15 pm
He keeps trying,and he keeps failing.remember these were the same folks who said Hogs would not make the Dance.and that Mike would be fired at the end of the year.how did that work out for them.

Any sign of adversity in the program they show up. MA will shut them up again.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 14, 2017, 09:27:51 pm

That's how I feel too. I don't think he meant it as a farewell but a "Just in case"

Yep a "We will see what happens moving forward" kind of thing.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Bkhardicars on April 14, 2017, 09:28:46 pm
If he's gone, I wish him well.But man, I'm afraid he's making a major mistake..Hope Thurman can convince him it's not a good move...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhames on April 14, 2017, 09:28:48 pm
I think I will just stick with the official report. He and Barford have entered their names but  have not select agent.


Indeed

Why the news today if he just was going to say he wasn't coming back 8 hours later. Which he didn't do. I think this was meant as a "Just in case this is the end, thanks" type of deal.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:29:04 pm
As go the Hogs, so go the days of our lives....
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:29:16 pm
Powell had graduated.

Qualls would have been drafted had he not blown his knee out in a pretty draft workout.


Young was always a head case which is why he had very few big time offers despite his recruiting rankings.  MA didn't even recruit him at Mizzou.

Who knows with Macon.

But what you are not seeing is that each situation was different. There aren't any one size fits all solutions like you are implying.

By the way, Kingsley stayed just last season. Just sayin'

Powell was a junior, graduated or not.

I don't discount Qualls would have been drafted. A lot of guys that would be drafted in first round (much less second round like Qualls) still come back.

Agree, BJ isn't the biggest deal

All I am saying is look at UNC with Jackson and Berry, USCe with Thornwell, etc...you cannot refute that you need guys to come back to get to the next level
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:29:59 pm
That's hardly definitive.  Maybe Macon is just trolling? If so not a good look, but it certainly didn't say "I'm not coming back".

I picked up on that as well. He did not clearly state that he was leaving. We can cling to that and the deleted tweet for now. Maybe Twitter was hacked? We need him back and I feel like he will grow to regret if he leaves this last season on the table. He's not an NBA prospect right now and overseas will be there next year. Just have to hope it's not grades/unhappy with role/hates school/etc. He can have a special year next year and really raise his overall (not just NBA) profile.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:30:07 pm
Wait. How are you privy to what and when coach Anderson meets with players?

He was asked in a PC. He answered "I haven't even talked to those guys yet"
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 14, 2017, 09:30:13 pm
That doesn't happen to other teams.

It does happen to other teams. Billy D had similar issues of player going to Europe
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TeufelHog on April 14, 2017, 09:31:08 pm
If true, this is COMICAL, . . . only at Arkansas.  Who advises these athletes on their talent, physical attributes, maturity, and draft stock?  Wish him the best, but this has "MISTAKE" written all over it.  While "we" obviously do not have all the facts/considerations behind his decision "calculus," I think he will regret his decision to leave early.  Considering his competition on the court this year NCAA wide, put me in the "he definitely needs another year" to mature mentally/grow physically before entering the NBA . . . that is . . . -IF- he gets a shot to enter the NBA.  Best of luck young man.  Thanks for the effort and memories this past year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 14, 2017, 09:33:24 pm
That's hardly definitive.  Maybe Macon is just trolling? If so not a good look, but it certainly didn't say "I'm not coming back".

I don't think he was trolling. I think he feels the Tweet was twisted into something it wasn't meant be. So he took it down
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:34:17 pm
It does happen to other teams. Billy D had similar issues of player going to Europe

Sorry, other teams that win / are in the Final Four. When it happened to Billy D, they, too, struggled
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 09:34:44 pm
Regardless it's not a good look for Macon professionally or if he returns to the team. Some guys just don't like school. Macon did go Juco out of high school.
I watch every game and the biggest area of improvement that Daryl need on the court is body language and maturity.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 09:40:47 pm
Powell was a junior, graduated or not.

I don't discount Qualls would have been drafted. A lot of guys that would be drafted in first round (much less second round like Qualls) still come back.

Agree, BJ isn't the biggest deal

All I am saying is look at UNC with Jackson and Berry, USCe with Thornwell, etc...you cannot refute that you need guys to come back to get to the next level

Powell realized that he was not nba talent and was tired of school. Please tell me how you convince him to stay.

Qualls got hot late in the season. His decision actually made sense at the time.

I think Portis is the one who should have stayed and lost money going when he did even though he was a solid first rounder.

I have been around Justin Jackson since he was in 9th grade. He is an old soul. Basketball isn't his life. One of the few kids these days who understands he can be in the UNC hall of fame but not the NBA hof and values college life over a short stint in the league.

How come you didn't mention Moses?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 14, 2017, 09:42:47 pm
https://twitter.com/meangene413/status/853075457583046657
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: lynbug on April 14, 2017, 09:44:28 pm
What will you check down to if C.J. Jones transfers?

You can't hide from losing Macon hurting the Hogs for next season. That's a fool's stance.
Yeah, this is getting very old....someone mentioned "two steps forward, two steps back".....it feels like one step forward and two back.  It's always something.  I may be wrong but it seemed like Macon's  demeanor changed when he lost his starting role.  And, once again, we have a situation where several bench dwellers this year will need to spring to life next year with very little experience. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rhames on April 14, 2017, 09:47:17 pm
I'm just going to forget about this and get back to watching The Last Jedi trailer over and over.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hog Pharm on April 14, 2017, 09:51:15 pm
They've deleted their posting as well....

Fake news?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: BigoBoys on April 14, 2017, 09:54:15 pm
If he goes good for him, if he stays good for us!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 09:54:49 pm
Powell realized that he was not nba talent and was tired of school. Please tell me how you convince him to stay.

Qualls got hot late in the season. His decision actually made sense at the time.

I think Portis is the one who should have stayed and lost money going when he did even though he was a solid first rounder.

I have been around Justin Jackson since he was in 9th grade. He is an old soul. Basketball isn't his life. One of the few kids these days who understands he can be in the UNC hall of fame but not the NBA hof and values college life over a short stint in the league.

How come you didn't mention Moses?

The fact you said Qualls' decision made sense makes you lose just about all credibility. Go look at the board when he made that decision, it was pretty much consensus that it was not wise.

As for Moses, I think he is the 7th best player of that group. HOWEVER, I will 100% agree that if he doesn't come back, we win less than 20 games this year. So to that end, my point stands. To have good years, you have to have your good (but not lottery pick) players come back.

We will count Moses. Sadly, 1/7 isn't good enough. But the 1 did make for a great year. If we want consistency we need that every year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Bacon_Bitz on April 14, 2017, 09:55:21 pm
https://twitter.com/meangene413/status/853075457583046657

Is this source as good as the sources Gene cited in the now deleted article confirming Macon was gone?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 14, 2017, 10:01:47 pm
Holy Cow this will be devistating....Barford too?  That's what you get recruiting JC.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 14, 2017, 10:06:12 pm
Hogs will be in the Dance again next year.we have a chance to add even more 4 stars to the 2017 class.this program has tured the corner and will be strong for years under Mike Anderson.remember what i told you guys after the losses to Mizzo and Vandy,when a lot of you wanted Mike fired?i was right then. and i will be right again.the Hogs will be fine next year.just sit back and enjoy.
Sorry disagree this kills our chances.  Mike's style takes a while to get used to.  Next year will be hard to watch.  Who is gonna score?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 14, 2017, 10:06:47 pm
Holy Cow this will be devistating....Barford too?  That's what you get recruiting JC.

Welcome back
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 10:08:05 pm
I didn't say MA would be fired. If you want us to get to the next level, still think he should be. He won't get it done for this exact reason. Two weeks after the season he hadn't even met with these guys. Bielema has meetings set up before the games even happen. Attention to detail is not something MA possesses.
Different day,same crap from haters like you.nothing new to see here. you thought after Mizzo that it was over for Mike. and he made you look like a fool. you lost,so move on.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 10:09:54 pm
Yeah, this is getting very old....someone mentioned "two steps forward, two steps back".....it feels like one step forward and two back.  It's always something.  I may be wrong but it seemed like Macon's  demeanor changed when he lost his starting role.  And, once again, we have a situation where several bench dwellers this year will need to spring to life next year with very little experience. 
Mike Anderson is going to be the coach here a long time.you haters can reach for whatever you want.Mike is here to stay.so get use to it.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 14, 2017, 10:11:12 pm
Welcome back
ok put a positive spin on it? 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 14, 2017, 10:11:28 pm
The fact you said Qualls' decision made sense makes you lose just about all credibility. Go look at the board when he made that decision, it was pretty much consensus that it was not wise.

As for Moses, I think he is the 7th best player of that group. HOWEVER, I will 100% agree that if he doesn't come back, we win less than 20 games this year. So to that end, my point stands. To have good years, you have to have your good (but not lottery pick) players come back.

We will count Moses. Sadly, 1/7 isn't good enough. But the 1 did make for a great year. If we want consistency we need that every year.

LOL.

It says something about you that you take the uneducated opinions of people on this board instead of researching for yourself. Mock drafts are everywhere if you care to look.

If you and the geniuses on the board had looked at any when Qualls left you would have seen he was a solid second round pick who had moved from not even being on the board at the start of the season to being just outside the first round on some mock drafts with an outside chance of being late first round with some good team workouts.

I don't recall the posts about Qualls had better stay or he will blow his knee out. Kind of reminds me of the Christmas movie where they keep telling the kid he will shoot his eye out if he gets a bb gun.

I think the hater part of your handle fits you though. For a minute I thought I was going to have a genuine conversation.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rome26 on April 14, 2017, 10:13:38 pm
The fact you said Qualls' decision made sense makes you lose just about all credibility. Go look at the board when he made that decision, it was pretty much consensus that it was not wise.

As for Moses, I think he is the 7th best player of that group. HOWEVER, I will 100% agree that if he doesn't come back, we win less than 20 games this year. So to that end, my point stands. To have good years, you have to have your good (but not lottery pick) players come back.

We will count Moses. Sadly, 1/7 isn't good enough. But the 1 did make for a great year. If we want consistency we need that every year.

Qualls decision to leave early was really bad. He was a border line prospect who could have solidly positioned himself with another year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 14, 2017, 10:15:39 pm
http://arkansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Macon-Barford-announce-decision-regarding-2017-NBA-Draft-status-52307351?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170414_150256_Arkansas%20Razorbacks&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=D8-52-B7-BD-BF-A4-08-D7-F4-4C-B3-F8-96-6B-20-42170414_150256ArkansasRazorbacks
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: factchecker on April 14, 2017, 10:19:04 pm
Welcome back

It is crazy how so many "fans" only show up when they can take a dump on the team.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 10:27:34 pm
It is crazy how so many "fans" only show up when they can take a dump on the team.
They grasp at anything in hopes of getting Mike out of here. but nothing is working. he is going to be the coach here no matter if they like it or not.they may as well move on.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Ironhawg on April 14, 2017, 10:29:34 pm
So I am confused; is he staying or going?  I saw the tweet but it's gone now.  If he is back, GREAT!  If not, that makes getting a quality guard who can step into the rotation next year more important.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: factchecker on April 14, 2017, 10:30:15 pm
They grasp at anything in hopes of getting Mike out of here. but nothing is working. he is going to be the coach here no matter if they like it or not.they may as well move on.

I understand not liking the prospect of Macon and/or Barford leaving.  They were/are two key players on our team.  I want them to do whatever they feel is best for their family.

I don't understand the fans who ONLY show up to talk crap about their "favorite team".  There is a dedicated group of posters whose only purpose is to post when something is perceived as negative or to post "I know we won but......"  bullcrap.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: RaisinHog on April 14, 2017, 10:30:22 pm
O look a thread about CJ Jones being the next freaking MJ and Macon leaving ! Awsome
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 10:35:15 pm
I understand not liking the prospect of Macon and/or Barford leaving.  They were/are two key players on our team.  I want them to do whatever they feel is best for their family.

I don't understand the fans who ONLY show up to talk crap about their "favorite team".  There is a dedicated group of posters whose only purpose is to post when something is perceived as negative or to post "I know we won but......"  bullcrap.
I just posted why they do it. notice how most of them went away when the Hogs started winning all those games after Mizzo and Vandy?it's all about them not getting their way in getting Mike fired. they can't get over it. so a grasp at anything they think may help.but nothing is working for them.Mike is going to be the coach.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 10:40:00 pm
LOL.

It says something about you that you take the uneducated opinions of people on this board instead of researching for yourself. Mock drafts are everywhere if you care to look.

If you and the geniuses on the board had looked at any when Qualls left you would have seen he was a solid second round pick who had moved from not even being on the board at the start of the season to being just outside the first round on some mock drafts with an outside chance of being late first round with some good team workouts.

I don't recall the posts about Qualls had better stay or he will blow his knee out. Kind of reminds me of the Christmas movie where they keep telling the kid he will shoot his eye out if he gets a bb gun.

I think the hater part of your handle fits you though. For a minute I thought I was going to have a genuine conversation.

To be clear, I do not use the opinions of this board for my opinion; hence my stance here despite being in the minority. I used that as an example, as it seemed you were part of the board-group. I apologize if that is not true.

Qualls decision was not good. He would have been the star of the following year's team and would have been in the spotlight all season. His stock would have improved. Granted, I do agree losing BP could have hurt his production, but I think the spotlight / attention would have propelled him higher. Most do seem to agree.

I absolutely do NOT want Mike fired. ALL I want is the hogs to win. If this Macon thing is a fluke and he comes back, I will be ecstatic.  What I do think is that IF MA cannot retain talent, we will never get next-level good. If he can, then that's great, and no one will be more happy than me.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 14, 2017, 10:49:36 pm
To be clear, I do not use the opinions of this board for my opinion; hence my stance here despite being in the minority. I used that as an example, as it seemed you were part of the board-group. I apologize if that is not true.

Qualls decision was not good. He would have been the star of the following year's team and would have been in the spotlight all season. His stock would have improved. Granted, I do agree losing BP could have hurt his production, but I think the spotlight / attention would have propelled him higher. Most do seem to agree.

I absolutely do NOT want Mike fired. ALL I want is the hogs to win. If this Macon thing is a fluke and he comes back, I will be ecstatic.  What I do think is that IF MA cannot retain talent, we will never get next-level good. If he can, then that's great, and no one will be more happy than me.
What do you want him to do,put a Gun to their head and make them stay?recruit bad players so they will stay? Mike Anderson or any coach can't stop a player from leaving if they want to go.it's not that hard to understand.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hog Pharm on April 14, 2017, 10:52:25 pm
What do you want him to do,put a Gun to their head and make them stay?recruit bad players so they will stay? Mike Anderson or any coach can't stop a player from leaving if they want to go.it's not that hard to understand.

Just like he can't get a player to come here that doesn't want to. Is it any different than recruiting?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 14, 2017, 10:58:41 pm
What do you want him to do,put a Gun to their head and make them stay?recruit bad players so they will stay? Mike Anderson or any coach can't stop a player from leaving if they want to go.it's not that hard to understand.

What do I want? To be good. What does that take? Securing good players. How he achieves that (short of NCAA violations), I don't care. Basically, I want a coach that players want to play for. These players are choosing to no longer play for MA; meanwhile, many players elsewhere are choosing to stay to play for their coach. Those coaches then win.

Just like he can't get a player to come here that doesn't want to. Is it any different than recruiting?

Nope no different at all; if anything, should be easier as your players should look up to you / you should be their mentor once in college whereas their HS/AAU/parents/etc. are the main mentors in HS. But exactly the issue. It's a chronic problem. To date, he hasn't been able to keep the best HS players in the state nor keep the best Razorbacks on the team. Keep BP and MQ, looking at an Elite 8 or F4 team that year. Get Kevaughn Allen and Monk, looking at a F4 or NC team this year. I am not saying it's easy, all I am saying is he has not been able to do these things, and if he had been able to, we would have been very good - it is doing these things that is requisite to being very good.

Those tides seem to be turning; if they are, that is huge - we should and will be good! If we lose our current players who have no hope of getting drafted this year, it appears MA really just does not have it in him. For one reason or another, players time and time again will have (again, IF they leave...if they stay, great - there is not an issue) demonstrated they do not want to play for him.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 14, 2017, 11:01:48 pm
Remember when I said he was enjoying the attention a few weeks ago? Remember when I said he was constantly tweeting suspicious stuff and then deleting it? This one tops it all.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: reddawg213 on April 14, 2017, 11:17:54 pm
What do I want? To be good. What does that take? Securing good players. How he achieves that (short of NCAA violations), I don't care. Basically, I want a coach that players want to play for. These players are choosing to no longer play for MA; meanwhile, many players elsewhere are choosing to stay to play for their coach. Those coaches then win.

Nope no different at all; if anything, should be easier as your players should look up to you / you should be their mentor once in college whereas their HS/AAU/parents/etc. are the main mentors in HS. But exactly the issue. It's a chronic problem. To date, he hasn't been able to keep the best HS players in the state nor keep the best Razorbacks on the team. Keep BP and MQ, looking at an Elite 8 or F4 team that year. Get Kevaughn Allen and Monk, looking at a F4 or NC team this year. I am not saying it's easy, all I am saying is he has not been able to do these things, and if he had been able to, we would have been very good - it is doing these things that is requisite to being very good.

Those tides seem to be turning; if they are, that is huge - we should and will be good! If we lose our current players who have no hope of getting drafted this year, it appears MA really just does not have it in him. For one reason or another, players time and time again will have (again, IF they leave - if they stay, great - there is not an issue) demonstrated they do not want to play for him.

(Please don't throw the one exception of BP who would have come here just about no matter what)

I've heard directly from a reliable source this exact feeling about CMA and staff.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 14, 2017, 11:48:02 pm
What do I want? To be good. What does that take? Securing good players. How he achieves that (short of NCAA violations), I don't care. Basically, I want a coach that players want to play for. These players are choosing to no longer play for MA; meanwhile, many players elsewhere are choosing to stay to play for their coach. Those coaches then win.

Nope no different at all; if anything, should be easier as your players should look up to you / you should be their mentor once in college whereas their HS/AAU/parents/etc. are the main mentors in HS. But exactly the issue. It's a chronic problem. To date, he hasn't been able to keep the best HS players in the state nor keep the best Razorbacks on the team. Keep BP and MQ, looking at an Elite 8 or F4 team that year. Get Kevaughn Allen and Monk, looking at a F4 or NC team this year. I am not saying it's easy, all I am saying is he has not been able to do these things, and if he had been able to, we would have been very good - it is doing these things that is requisite to being very good.

Those tides seem to be turning; if they are, that is huge - we should and will be good! If we lose our current players who have no hope of getting drafted this year, it appears MA really just does not have it in him. For one reason or another, players time and time again will have (again, IF they leave...if they stay, great - there is not an issue) demonstrated they do not want to play for him.

The pro-Mike guys just can't grasp that you can like Mike, and hope he succeeds...but yet still question what is going on inside our program.  How some of them can say that losing these players wouldn't mean a thing is just amazing.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: onebadrubi on April 14, 2017, 11:58:59 pm
The pro-Mike guys just can't grasp that you can like Mike, and hope he succeeds...but yet still question what is going on inside our program.  How some of them can say that losing these players wouldn't mean a thing is just amazing.

Head meets sand. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hampagne Life on April 15, 2017, 12:02:52 am
Stop hanging on these kids every word. It will be okay. #teamanderson
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on April 15, 2017, 12:15:23 am
Remember when I said he was enjoying the attention a few weeks ago? Remember when I said he was constantly tweeting suspicious stuff and then deleting it? This one tops it all.
Said the same thing.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: forrest city joe on April 15, 2017, 12:24:07 am
You haters can cry all you want.Mike is going to be coach here.and he is going to be no matter if you like it or not.carry on.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hoglady on April 15, 2017, 12:53:07 am
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rawker on April 15, 2017, 02:03:11 am
Yes i can deny it. i love Macon. but i think C.J.Jones can be better than him.just remember i posted this.CJ is going to be really good next year.the program will be fine next year.

I try to be with you when I can, and I don't target you when I'm pissed about losing one game like so many on here....but on this one, you've lost your mind.  CJ looks like he can shoot pretty well, but I've been watching Macon since HS and there are very few with his solid ability in the clutch, especially his free throws.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dwillhog66 on April 15, 2017, 02:05:05 am
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.

You're making way too much sense to be posting in this thread!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rawker on April 15, 2017, 02:21:32 am
The pro-Mike guys just can't grasp that you can like Mike, and hope he succeeds...but yet still question what is going on inside our program.  How some of them can say that losing these players wouldn't mean a thing is just amazing.

What amazes me is how seldom Hog fans look outside their tiny, little, nearly insignificant bubble.  Go out and offer to help coach an AAU team, for instance - yes, you can actually do that with a little bit of Bball knowledge - and you will find that EVERYWHERE....EVERYWHERE....this is a systemic issue in basketball, starting as soon as these kids are able to be in a program that feeds into the semi-ultimate goal of D1 basketball and the ultimate goal of pro ball.  I don't care if you're pro-this or pro-that, this is not a MA thing.  Have you not been paying attention?  Half the guys on the Hog's recruiting radar are kids that are leaving their previous program for reasons that are between half-legitimate to completely puzzling.  There are 500+(!!!) kids trying to transfer out of their program!  And once their transfer options have about ended, they're looking at professional options.  Like, all of them.  Yes, it REALLY REALLY sucks for Arkansas, because with Qualls more advisedly staying for his final year, for example, we would have gone to the tourney again and he might have even been a 1st round pick after that, which would have done so much to increase program visibility even more than a lot of these recent recruits have done.  I'll agree that it has been particularly unlucky for the Hogs because the guys that have departed could have helped bridge the program to higher places earlier in Mike's tenure here (Qualls was the biggest hit in my opinion), but Mike would have to change the landscape of the whole of CBB to keep this from happening.  It sucks, but this is not a Hog thing....it's all of CBB.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawg66 on April 15, 2017, 06:53:00 am
Looks like the title of this thread should have been "Read and jump off that ledge ".
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The OTR on April 15, 2017, 07:35:33 am
He's staying.  I read somewhere that there was a 99.9% chance he'd stay. That was good enough for me.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 15, 2017, 07:47:40 am
What did the tweet say?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on April 15, 2017, 08:36:35 am
Remember when I said he was enjoying the attention a few weeks ago? Remember when I said he was constantly tweeting suspicious stuff and then deleting it? This one tops it all.
This one does top them. It's a kid being a kid and not knowing how to deal with the biggest decision of his life. I would have been crazy if i had to do that at 20
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 15, 2017, 08:59:04 am
He's staying.  I read somewhere that there was a 99.9% chance he'd stay. That was good enough for me.

99.9% chance he goes.....

Oh crap now you read that somewhere! What do you believe?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 15, 2017, 09:09:06 am
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.

Yep. Nothing new.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 15, 2017, 09:23:57 am
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.

I felt the same way when I first saw it. I thought I saw a kid excited about.being able to test the NBA waters and being thankful to the program and fans who gave him a stage where he could possibly fulfill two of his biggest dreams.

Of course the haters jumped all over this as another chance to bash MA and proclaim next season as a disaster. When I read hater crap during something like this, I realize if we really are cursed as a program it's what  we deserve for not marginalizing such bitter negativity from within our own ranks.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: RedyorNot on April 15, 2017, 09:42:49 am
Article yesterday on SEC Country also cites Macon is open to playing overseas or in the D- League. So many sources, so little accuracy, so who knows.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: McKdaddy on April 15, 2017, 09:44:03 am
The pro-Mike guys just can't grasp that you can like Mike, and hope he succeeds...but yet still question what is going on inside our program.

Agreed. It's okay to question things and be a Mike supporter.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: RazorWest on April 15, 2017, 10:19:43 am
Love Macon and wish he would come back, but he wasn't even a starter towards the end when the hogs were heating up. I know everyone says starting doesn't matter for the hogs but I'm not so sure
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The_Iceman on April 15, 2017, 10:31:58 am
If he leaves, everyone will be thinking it:

(https://i.imgur.com/9ReRvb8.png)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PharmacistHog on April 15, 2017, 10:49:09 am
(http://i66.tinypic.com/34doh03.jpg)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: tusksincolorado on April 15, 2017, 10:49:46 am
If he leaves, everyone will be thinking it:

(https://i.imgur.com/9ReRvb8.png)

Welcome to Hogville....Home of the Hate.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on April 15, 2017, 10:54:49 am
He would be misinformed if he were to leave. I thought it was his dream to be a Hog and to only do it for 1 year while leaving an opportunity to come back, win more games and improve his stock on the table doesn't make much sense. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this kid just loves the drama and attention, and these kind of antics are only climaxing his announcement of a return.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PharmacistHog on April 15, 2017, 11:00:57 am
This has zero to do with Mike in my opinion, but anybody that thinks Macon will just easily be replaced is a loon.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hoglady on April 15, 2017, 11:07:12 am
This has zero to do with Mike in my opinion, but anybody that thinks Macon will just easily be replaced is a loon.

I agree with that.
That kid was the difference is so many games this year. Starting or coming off the bench.
Just his ability to make clutch free throws will be hard to reproduce. Not many can do it time after time like Macon did.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: McKdaddy on April 15, 2017, 11:12:25 am
This has zero to do with Mike in my opinion, but anybody that thinks Macon will just easily be replaced is a loon.

Agreed. Macon has a Mayberry steely-cool about him on the court.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HogHomer on April 15, 2017, 11:14:28 am
For the people saying players don't want to play for Mike. How about they would rather play for their family? Some players have kids others have brothers and sisters, moms and dads to take care of. But no, let's make this about Mike Anderson being bad at his job.

The players are real people who have their own problems and situations.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on April 15, 2017, 11:23:26 am
Macon is a fickle one.

He knows that he won't be drafted but seems to be trying to use that as a platform to gauge foreign interest.

He straight up balked at leaving about 10 days ago but recent actions show him behaving erratically.  This mirrors Qualls a bit except Mike decided he was going and never balked despite Anderson thinking he was staying.  I said it hear he was going early on and the denials and surprise when he left were unwarranted.  That was a done deal.

In just one week's time I'm dropping my 98% to a straight 50/50 prop.  He's going to need someone to talk him into "not going".  Agents and handlers have his ear and they are telling him what he wants to hear about playing some kind of pro ball.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HamSammich on April 15, 2017, 12:13:57 pm
It's the same two agents that talk these kids into mistakes. Mike needs to keep these guys away from our players. They are poison
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 15, 2017, 12:47:39 pm
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.
You could be right, but players typically do not write what he wrote unless they are saying goodbye. He mentioned he will always be a Razorback and enjoyed his time at the U of A, as if it were coming to an end. He had to know what people would think by posting that. You make an announcement you are coming back or you are leaving, but you don't just make a random thank you for my time here if you are still undecided unless you are seeking attention. I would be more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt of a simple misunderstanding if he had not spent the last 3-4 weeks tweeting at fans about how he could leave, etc.

I personally think him coming back will do him a lot of good, but I also understand that him leaving will allow him to have an extra year of getting paid to play basketball, wherever that may be. I will not blame him for doing what is best for him, but him appearing to constantly seek attention has been quite annoying.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on April 15, 2017, 12:48:01 pm
I am so confused!  It amazes me how people on these boards trash athletes who make decisions based on their own desires and needs.  It doesn't matter if either decide to stay or go, they are Hogs for life.  They provided us entertainment for a season but just as ALL of us do, they are evaluating their current situation and will take action based on their OWN needs.  Who are we to question another man's decision?  Oh yeah, they may choose not to entertain Hog Nation another season so it makes them uninformed, making bad choices, and MA is deficient because a man chooses what his best for his immediate family.  Some on these boards need to get a life!
Free country for sure.

But these agents are also culprits.  They are steering the kids in a way it benefits them(Agents).  I have issue with them as some kind of watchdog for the kids interest.  If a kid is not a sure fire NBA pick, the agent is particularly bothersome. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hoglady on April 15, 2017, 12:59:49 pm
You could be right, but players typically do not write what he wrote unless they are saying goodbye. He mentioned he will always be a Razorback and enjoyed his time at the U of A, as if it were coming to an end. He had to know what people would think by posting that. You make an announcement you are coming back or you are leaving, but you don't just make a random thank you for my time here if you are still undecided unless you are seeking attention. I would be more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt of a simple misunderstanding if he had not spent the last 3-4 weeks tweeting at fans about how he could leave, etc.

I personally think him coming back will do him a lot of good, but I also understand that him leaving will allow him to have an extra year of getting paid to play basketball, wherever that may be. I will not blame him for doing what is best for him, but him appearing to constantly seek attention has been quite annoying.

I still doubt much has changed in Macon's mind over the last few weeks.
Anderson said Macon and Barford were going to test the NBA water's just like Kingsley did last year.
At this point, I doubt either one knows for sure what the future holds.
Fans are too impatient - just going to have to wait, let both these players do their thing over the next couple of weeks and see what happens.
It's senseless to hang on a kid's every tweet.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawginbigd1 on April 15, 2017, 01:03:15 pm
I am so confused!  It amazes me how people on these boards trash athletes who make decisions based on their own desires and needs.  It doesn't matter if either decide to stay or go, they are Hogs for life.  They provided us entertainment for a season but just as ALL of us do, they are evaluating their current situation and will take action based on their OWN needs.  Who are we to question another man's decision?  Oh yeah, they may choose not to entertain Hog Nation another season so it makes them uninformed, making bad choices, and MA is deficient because a man chooses what his best for his immediate family.  Some on these boards need to get a life!
Yeah because nobody but the individual involved can tell a DA decision from a good one! C'mon man!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogberry Snortcake on April 15, 2017, 01:09:24 pm
Can CMA get Qualls to drop by and maybe talk a little sense? 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HogsonHicks on April 15, 2017, 01:34:29 pm
A 21 year-old young man is understandably unsure and undecided.  You can't blame him. 

Hinging your well-being (and for some, sanity) on haphazard tweets from this undecided 21 year-old seems like a bad idea.  Somehow blaming Anderson for the tweets and potential actions of this 21 year-old seems like an even worse idea.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on April 15, 2017, 02:27:58 pm
A 21 year-old young man is understandably unsure and undecided.  You can't blame him. 

Hinging your well-being (and for some, sanity) on haphazard tweets from this undecided 21 year-old seems like a bad idea.  Somehow blaming Anderson for the tweets and potential actions of this 21 year-old seems like an even worse idea.

The idiots here will blame anderson for everything.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on April 15, 2017, 02:34:21 pm
Macon is not going anywhere. He's a good player, but not NBA ready. If Kevaughn Allen isn't going, why would Macon even consider it? Ridiculous.
NBA isn't the only option. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on April 15, 2017, 02:45:56 pm
Macon is not going anywhere. He's a good player, but not NBA ready. If Kevaughn Allen isn't going, why would Macon even consider it? Ridiculous.

Crazy thing is, Barford is the one with a child and looks to be a better prospect, and seems pretty intent on coming back, just getting feedback. Macon can shoot better, but not as athletic. I seriously think it's all a ploy for more attention. I'd be shocked if he left, but we've seen it before... If he does, it won't be in the NBA. Yes, he'd get paid to go play somewhere and he might never make the NBA. But having the spotlight for next year is sure better than playing overseas for a few years and never getting more of a shot than that at the big time. Not many guys make it out of D-League...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Birminghog on April 15, 2017, 04:08:03 pm
Can CMA get Qualls to drop by and maybe talk a little sense?

I'm hoping that they talk to Moses, someone they know and trust, and that he tells them that returning was the right idea.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on April 15, 2017, 04:17:19 pm
The idiots here will blame anderson for everything.
Its truly amazing.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 15, 2017, 05:45:59 pm
I still doubt much has changed in Macon's mind over the last few weeks.
Anderson said Macon and Barford were going to test the NBA water's just like Kingsley did last year.
At this point, I doubt either one knows for sure what the future holds.
Fans are too impatient - just going to have to wait, let both these players do their thing over the next couple of weeks and see what happens.
It's senseless to hang on a kid's every tweet.
I am not disagreeing with you, but you are talking about something completely different. He should declare and get feedback. Any junior with dreams of playing in the NBA would be stupid not to. That isn't the point, though. He knew his message was going to cause a stir. It implied he was leaving. There really is no other logical way to interpret his tweet. He has been doing it for weeks, too. That is my point. Whether he returns or not, he seems to love the attention his decision brings.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HamSammich on April 15, 2017, 06:44:25 pm
Its truly amazing.

you realize its the same two agents in NW Ar that are getting in our players ears and giving them bad advice.... yes some of this falls on Anderson. He knows these guys well. They need to be banned from our program. They are farming our players messing up their lives so they can make their paltry sum each year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on April 15, 2017, 07:10:03 pm
you realize its the same two agents in NW Ar that are getting in our players ears and giving them bad advice.... yes some of this falls on Anderson. He knows these guys well. They need to be banned from our program. They are farming our players messing up their lives so they can make their paltry sum each year.
Sure. But you also can't fix stupid. I'm not saying Macon is stupid, I'm saying the situation of Arkansas players being less realistic of their abilities than most out there. Kids at UNC and even others actually projected understand why coming back is more important. This idea that you  have to leave now to get paid overseas is so dumb. Check with Marshall Henderson how the over seas thing works out. You are as lucky to actually get paid as you are to make six figures.

Also those agents don't have anything to do with the program.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PharmacistHog on April 15, 2017, 07:52:09 pm
Sure. But you also can't fix stupid. I'm not saying Macon is stupid, I'm saying the situation of Arkansas players being less realistic of their abilities than most out there. Kids at UNC and even others actually projected understand why coming back is more important. This idea that you  have to leave now to get paid overseas is so dumb. Check with Marshall Henderson how the over seas thing works out. You are as lucky to actually get paid as you are to make six figures.

Also those agents don't have anything to do with the program.

Probably happens as much elsewhere. We just tend to focus on us cuz its well............us.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 15, 2017, 08:01:25 pm
Probably happens as much elsewhere. We just tend to focus on us cuz its well............us.

That's the thing; it doesn't happen at other schools like it does here.  Guys leave here for the potential of $50k overseas and Miles Bridges is turning down guaranteed lottery pick to come back and it isn't like Mich St killed it last season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HossHog on April 15, 2017, 08:17:16 pm
What did the tweet say?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 15, 2017, 09:39:07 pm
That's the thing; it doesn't happen at other schools like it does here.  Guys leave here for the potential of $50k overseas and Miles Bridges is turning down guaranteed lottery pick to come back and it isn't like Mich St killed it last season.

It happened at Kansas, Texas, West Virginia,  Xavier, Indiana, USC, Maryland, NC State, and Rhode Island just last year..

Kansas and USC had 2 apiece.

I guess it does happen other places. Even good programs.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogz87 on April 16, 2017, 12:29:35 am
Before I react any kind of way to this, I need to know two things. 

Does Macon have a child?  Does he have a fiancee or wife?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dr. Starcs on April 16, 2017, 07:39:13 am
you realize its the same two agents in NW Ar that are getting in our players ears and giving them bad advice.... yes some of this falls on Anderson. He knows these guys well. They need to be banned from our program. They are farming our players messing up their lives so they can make their paltry sum each year.


Who are they?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on April 16, 2017, 09:29:41 am
I didn't think the tweet was that weird - everyone went too crazy over it.
He and Barford announced they were entering the NBA draft, not hiring an agent, going through the NBA combine, get feedback and see where they're at.
That Macon would send out a thank you tweet to the fans and University fits perfectly with what he's doing right now.
If they get good feedback - one or both may be gone.
If they don't -  my guess is both will be back.

Seems to me today is the same as yesterday and the day before regarding the status of Macon and Barford.

This. Unless he gets a solid 2nd round or so feedback why would he leave? He's arguably our best player coming back to a tournament team. Of course there is the money and I have no idea if there is somebody in his family that really needs help and you can't ever blame a guy using his talents that they work their tail off for to make money.

It sounded like he was just being grateful, they say being grateful and showing/telling how grateful you are is the #1 ingredient to happiness. Maybe we should all try it.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: MountieDawg on April 16, 2017, 04:10:32 pm
I'm hoping that they talk to Moses, someone they know and trust, and that he tells them that returning was the right idea.

Do you think Moses helped his stock coming back?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 16, 2017, 04:18:52 pm
Do you think Moses helped his stock coming back?

NBADRAFT.NET has him as a 2nd round pick right now. So maybe. It's really impossible to know. If it has improved it's minimal at best
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hobhog on April 16, 2017, 06:22:26 pm
you realize its the same two agents in NW Ar that are getting in our players ears and giving them bad advice.... yes some of this falls on Anderson. He knows these guys well. They need to be banned from our program. They are farming our players messing up their lives so they can make their paltry sum each year.

Huh? Do tell.....
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on April 16, 2017, 06:33:49 pm
BJ Young, Marshawn Powell, Michael Qualls, an now possibly daryl macon. All guys that couldve taken our program to the next level by returning
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on April 16, 2017, 06:43:15 pm
Macon isn't going anywhere unless he has a legitimate shot of being drafted in the NBA and I would say that's highly doubtful.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on April 16, 2017, 07:32:50 pm
Who are the two agents that have the ear of Hog Bball players?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 16, 2017, 08:26:47 pm
If there are two agents in Fayetteville trying to make a living on getting hog basketball players into the NBA...they are starving.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 17, 2017, 12:18:12 am
Yes i can deny it. i love Macon. but i think C.J.Jones can be better than him.just remember i posted this.CJ is going to be really good next year.the program will be fine next year.

I'll gladly change my username to What's Shakin' C.J. Jones if he plays anywhere near the level of Macon.....which he most assuredly will not (at least not this coming season).
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 17, 2017, 12:28:45 am
Crazy thing is, Barford is the one with a child and looks to be a better prospect, and seems pretty intent on coming back, just getting feedback. Macon can shoot better, but not as athletic. I seriously think it's all a ploy for more attention. I'd be shocked if he left, but we've seen it before... If he does, it won't be in the NBA. Yes, he'd get paid to go play somewhere and he might never make the NBA. But having the spotlight for next year is sure better than playing overseas for a few years and never getting more of a shot than that at the big time. Not many guys make it out of D-League...
Very true, Barford is the much better prospect. Though, I would argue that he would benefit more from coming back than Macon. Macon is much closer to his ceiling as a player than Barford, and I don't see Macon ever suiting up for an NBA team (not that I lack any love for him) no matter whether he comes back or not. Barford could greatly increase his stock with proper improvement over the next year.
Macon doesn't strike me as a "I hate class and need money right away...sure, Italy sounds great!" type of guy, but I could easily be wrong. Kikko had all he wanted of overseas ball after one season, maybe he can talk to Macon.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 17, 2017, 02:20:17 am
Macon remind me of CJ McCollum who's good in the NBA.   I think Macon can make it in the NBA if he comes back to Arkansas and keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 17, 2017, 07:55:37 am
When I think of Macon's NBA prospects, I see his ceiling as a guy who spends a lot of time in the D-League and makes it to a few training camps. I think he has the ability to be a nice minor league combo guard. Maybe he even gets a couple of late-season 10-day contracts here and there. But he has some stuff to really work on. I think a senior season in the SEC as a feature player on the Hogs would really, really serve him well for the next level (wherever that may be). I'd hate to see him give up all that potential improvement on a national stage (I'm figuring both the Hogs and SEC will see increased exposure this coming season) to play for 50-70k in Bosnia or somewhere and get lost in the overseas minor league shuffle. Coming back to Arkansas and killing it as a senior will do wonders for his professional outlook in every league.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The_Iceman on April 17, 2017, 08:31:44 am
South Carolina just got hit bad with it too:

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/853960605593726976
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: navyhog24 on April 17, 2017, 08:32:53 am
That's a big loss for USCe
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg4life33 on April 17, 2017, 09:01:02 am
Probably means they go from Final 4 to the NIT. Uninspiring recruiting class and the loss of Dozier, Thornwell and Notice will be hard to overcome.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 17, 2017, 09:32:18 am
Frank Martin better get that figured out.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 17, 2017, 09:38:46 am
Frank Martin better get that figured out.

Doesn't he know that doesn't happen to other programs?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 17, 2017, 09:47:19 am
Doesn't he know that doesn't happen to other programs?

He got Thornwell to come back and made the F4. He is losing Dozier, and now we are saying he will end up in NIT.

That is ALL that we have been saying. To win, you have to get your best players to come back. If you don't do that, you won't be next-level good. So far, MA has not been able to succeed in getting people to come back. We hope he does, so we can experience at least one run past the second round.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The_Iceman on April 17, 2017, 09:49:15 am
Probably means they go from Final 4 to the NIT. Uninspiring recruiting class and the loss of Dozier, Thornwell and Notice will be hard to overcome.

They will be lucky to be an NIT team.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Captain Morgan on April 17, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Do you think Moses helped his stock coming back?

Probably not because the 2016 draft was not as Good or as deep as this 2017 class.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 17, 2017, 10:03:50 am
Players leaving early to try to make it in pro ball somewhere ( nba, d league, over seas ) is not on Mike. What is on Mike is roster management and if there are younger players on the roster to pick up the slack. If Mike is recruiting guys who are at least talented enough to MAYBE make $$$ by leaving early, that is a good thing. Frustrating for fans, but not a bad thing from a program stand point.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Captain Morgan on April 17, 2017, 10:07:51 am
Players leaving early to try to make it in pro ball somewhere ( nba, d league, over seas ) is not on Mike. What is on Mike is roster management and if there are younger players on the roster to pick up the slack. If Mike is recruiting guys who are at least talented enough to MAYBE make $$$ by leaving early, that is a good thing. Frustrating for fans, but not a bad thing from a program stand point.

Yeah but you have to play defense in the NBA and Macon wasn't very good at that; in fact he was just slightly better than Dusty on defense.  I don't see him in any NBA draft top 100 prospects and only 60 guys get selected
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 17, 2017, 10:22:15 am
Yeah but you have to play defense in the NBA and Macon wasn't very good at that; in fact he was just slightly better than Dusty on defense.  I don't see him in any NBA draft top 100 prospects and only 60 guys get selected

Who knows what these guys are being told by agents, family, etc. Also, we do not know what there family situations TRULY are, so the lure of even a d-league or overseas salary may be to good to pass up.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 17, 2017, 10:31:49 am
He got Thornwell to come back and made the F4. He is losing Dozier, and now we are saying he will end up in NIT.

That is ALL that we have been saying. To win, you have to get your best players to come back. If you don't do that, you won't be next-level good. So far, MA has not been able to succeed in getting people to come back. We hope he does, so we can experience at least one run past the second round.

Moses came back.

Powell graduated and didn't want to go to graduate school.

In spite of your ignorance, Qualls was projected solidly to get drafted until he tore his acl and still signed a free agent contract with okc before he screwed up and got arrested on a drug related charge.

Really the only guy who left early was Bj and you can't fix +?:)&$.

You are just a hater.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 17, 2017, 11:52:23 am
Players leaving early to try to make it in pro ball somewhere ( nba, d league, over seas ) is not on Mike. What is on Mike is roster management and if there are younger players on the roster to pick up the slack. If Mike is recruiting guys who are at least talented enough to MAYBE make $$$ by leaving early, that is a good thing. Frustrating for fans, but not a bad thing from a program stand point.

Dude. I have agreed with you twice this month. Now I am going outside to see lightning strike twice in the same place. Could happen.  ;D
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 17, 2017, 11:54:18 am
Crazy thing is, Barford is the one with a child and looks to be a better prospect, and seems pretty intent on coming back, just getting feedback. Macon can shoot better, but not as athletic. I seriously think it's all a ploy for more attention. I'd be shocked if he left, but we've seen it before... If he does, it won't be in the NBA. Yes, he'd get paid to go play somewhere and he might never make the NBA. But having the spotlight for next year is sure better than playing overseas for a few years and never getting more of a shot than that at the big time. Not many guys make it out of D-League...
I know nothing about how Macon and Barford will approach this.  But. You have to consider.  That they may be thinking...."if we are going to play we might as well get paid."  Its a different world we live in these days.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: code red on April 17, 2017, 11:56:13 am
Who knows what these guys are being told by agents, family, etc. Also, we do not know what there family situations TRULY are, so the lure of even a d-league or overseas salary may be to good to pass up.
Can they talk to agents and come back?  Or does money have to exchange hands?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on April 17, 2017, 12:06:13 pm
Who are the two agents that have the ear of Hog Bball players?

Michael Conley is an agent in Fayetteville. Whether he's in the ear of anyone, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Grizzlyfan on April 17, 2017, 12:30:23 pm
It seems to me that if you are going to declare for the draft, and you have no intention of coming back, you sign an agent.  They can definitely help you through the process.  If you are just testing the waters, you don't hire an agent.  At this point, it sounds like neither intend to hire an agent.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: J-Five on April 17, 2017, 12:40:05 pm
What is it about our program that makes so many non-NBA players leave early?

Mike has to figure this out and make changes.

What do you want him to do?  He can't MAKE a player stay...not sure how this is Mike's fault or how he's supposed to "make changes".  He can only continue to recruit well, like he has been...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 17, 2017, 01:59:48 pm
Can they talk to agents and come back?  Or does money have to exchange hands?

All we ever hear is they can not sign with an agent, but I assume money changing hands would suffice to end their ability to come back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TebowHater on April 17, 2017, 02:26:14 pm
What do you want him to do?  He can't MAKE a player stay...not sure how this is Mike's fault or how he's supposed to "make changes".  He can only continue to recruit well, like he has been...

How do you guys think people deciding they no longer want to play for their coach is not the fault of the coach? Winning programs have players return, period.

Look, I like Mike and want him to succeed and if Macon and Barford come back he gets all the credit for their success. Hopefully they come back and then we, too, will have a great shot at being a true winning program. But to accept mediocrity and say it's 100% out of the coach's control when some coaches have a much higher rate of getting their guys to return (indicating it is not, in fact, random) is crazy.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 17, 2017, 02:57:13 pm
How do you guys think people deciding they no longer want to play for their coach is not the fault of the coach? Winning programs have players return, period.

Look, I like Mike and want him to succeed and if Macon and Barford come back he gets all the credit for their success. Hopefully they come back and then we, too, will have a great shot at being a true winning program. But to accept mediocrity and say it's 100% out of the coach's control when some coaches have a much higher rate of getting their guys to return (indicating it is not, in fact, random) is crazy.

Are you just trying to be daft? Winning programs have players return, period? I am not a big Anderson fan, but even I would not try to pin this on him. They no longer want to play in college because they think they can go get paid somewhere to play.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogcard1964 on April 17, 2017, 03:18:48 pm
I don't think he was trolling. I think he feels the Tweet was twisted into something it wasn't meant be. So he took it down
x

Not to mention, he's already stated that he's coming back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on April 17, 2017, 03:30:36 pm
How do you guys think people deciding they no longer want to play for their coach is not the fault of the coach? Winning programs have players return, period.

Look, I like Mike and want him to succeed and if Macon and Barford come back he gets all the credit for their success. Hopefully they come back and then we, too, will have a great shot at being a true winning program. But to accept mediocrity and say it's 100% out of the coach's control when some coaches have a much higher rate of getting their guys to return (indicating it is not, in fact, random) is crazy.

It's up to the coach to do everything he can to talk them into coming back, but some of these kids aren't going to listen no matter what coach is trying to convince them, it is a problem for all coaches.  It's getting worse too, some of these kids get the wild hair its time to get paid, regardless if it's millions in the NBA, or $50k overseas, and nothing anyone can do is going to change their minds.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: snoblind on April 17, 2017, 03:38:28 pm
This has zero to do with Mike in my opinion, but anybody that thinks Macon will just easily be replaced is a loon.

Well, no shortage of loons around here.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: EastexHawg on April 17, 2017, 04:38:31 pm
Are you just trying to be daft? Winning programs have players return, period? I am not a big Anderson fan, but even I would not try to pin this on him. They no longer want to play in college because they think they can go get paid somewhere to play.

The key is to recruit and coach up quality players every year.  Yes, other programs lose players, too.  The ones that are successful year after year don't have to discuss for three years how much better they would have been if a player or two had stayed around.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: sowmonella on April 17, 2017, 04:54:46 pm
I believe they both just want to go though the evaluation process. Why not be graded by the NBA and confirm where improvements are needed. Both Macon and Barford are smart guys.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HoopS on April 17, 2017, 04:57:26 pm
The key is to recruit and coach up quality players every year.  Yes, other programs lose players, too.  The ones that are successful year after year don't have to discuss for three years how much better they would have been if a player or two had stayed around.
we didn't have to either. One down year off of losing two leaving early. Pretty quick recovery.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 17, 2017, 05:04:48 pm
The key is to recruit and coach up quality players every year.  Yes, other programs lose players, too.  The ones that are successful year after year don't have to discuss for three years how much better they would have been if a player or two had stayed around.

You mean like Kansas who had 2 guys declare and go undrafted?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 17, 2017, 07:19:33 pm
For those who are certain this means Macon is leaving, the question of why he hasn't hired an agent is unavoidable. I would like to hear an explanation.

I know things usually don't swing this way in Hogs' basketball, but I'm gonna predict both come back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TexArkHogFan on April 17, 2017, 07:20:38 pm
If they stick around and have even a remote possibility of being drafted in the NBA next year, a signing bonus even in the late second round will more than make up for a lost 50,000 for playing overseas for one year - and many more. Unless somebody is telling them a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. then let's hope they both can see further down the road than the next stop light. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 17, 2017, 08:04:39 pm
For those who are certain this means Macon is leaving, the question of why he hasn't hired an agent is unavoidable. I would like to hear an explanation.

I know things usually don't swing this way in Hogs' basketball, but I'm gonna predict both come back.

There is no certainty at this point.  Initially it was reasonably interpreted as Macon looking back at his time as a Hog fondly...but also in the past tense.  Given that the tweet has been deleted and he hasn't clarified anything, we are back in wait and see mode.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 17, 2017, 08:06:38 pm
The key is to recruit and coach up quality players every year.  Yes, other programs lose players, too.  The ones that are successful year after year don't have to discuss for three years how much better they would have been if a player or two had stayed around.

true, but that is a different conversation. A conversation that was had after Portis and Qualls left.
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Post by: HoopS on April 17, 2017, 09:06:29 pm
true, but that is a different conversation. A conversation that was had after Portis and Qualls left.
and lasted one season not three.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: factchecker on April 18, 2017, 12:45:04 am
South Carolina just got hit bad with it too:

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/853960605593726976

Crazy..... seems like we aren't the only one's who has this issue.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 18, 2017, 01:57:31 am
Dozier is a second rounder at least
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on April 18, 2017, 08:45:53 am
It surprises me that we're having these conversations about Macon and not Barford. Jaylen has a son to provide for, while I thought Macon's Arkansas' pride and drive to bring us back to greatness would leave him hungry for a senior season. Hoping they both make the right decision and return to the Hill. But, it is Arkansas hoops so not getting my hopes up lol.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 18, 2017, 10:32:04 am
Hoping they both make the right decision and return to the Hill.


I keep seeing this, but how do any of us KNOW that is the right decision FOR THEM? We want them back because we think it will help the team win, I get that, but lets not act like it is because we think it is best for them, it is best for us, as fans.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HogBeliever625 on April 18, 2017, 10:53:24 am
I keep seeing this, but how do any of us KNOW that is the right decision FOR THEM? We want them back because we think it will help the team win, I get that, but lets not act like it is because we think it is best for them, it is best for us, as fans.
Because there goal is to make as much money as they can and they will get more of it by returning.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 18, 2017, 11:19:17 am
Because there goal is to make as much money as they can and they will get more of it by returning.

Again, there is no way to prove that. We, as fans, want them back to win games. I am fine admitting that, but I do not presume to know what is the best decision for them.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hvsupastar on April 18, 2017, 11:22:38 am
Olu Famutimi.... lets hold off on that sequel
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on April 18, 2017, 11:32:49 am
I keep seeing this, but how do any of us KNOW that is the right decision FOR THEM? We want them back because we think it will help the team win, I get that, but lets not act like it is because we think it is best for them, it is best for us, as fans.

I mean if it was all about money, they could've gone overseas right after JUCO ball I'm sure. If it's about making it to the NBA, then they need to come back and continue improving on fine tuning their games.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 18, 2017, 12:32:48 pm
I mean if it was all about money, they could've gone overseas right after JUCO ball I'm sure. If it's about making it to the NBA, then they need to come back and continue improving on fine tuning their games.

I am not arguing that is a wrong view. I just find it funny how many here, never having met them think they KNOW what is best for these two guys. I want them to come back because it makes the team better, that part I do know.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: niels_boar on April 18, 2017, 01:26:13 pm
Dozier shot 45% from the field, 30% from the arc, 60% from the line, and had a sub-100 ORtg.  Otherwise, a can't-miss NBA prospect.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 18, 2017, 01:59:51 pm
Again, there is no way to prove that. We, as fans, want them back to win games. I am fine admitting that, but I do not presume to know what is the best decision for them.

I love guys like you who say things like, "only they know what is best for them and their family", etc., like kids their age don't get caught up in visions of grandeur and f up their lives all the time by making the "right decision for their family".  Just because they make a decision doesn't mean it is the BEST decision.  Many times for kids this age, it is NOT.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 18, 2017, 02:23:48 pm
Crazy..... seems like we aren't the only one's who has this issue.

Signing with a agent! Big difference
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 19, 2017, 08:49:53 am
I love guys like you who say things like, "only they know what is best for them and their family", etc., like kids their age don't get caught up in visions of grandeur and f up their lives all the time by making the "right decision for their family".  Just because they make a decision doesn't mean it is the BEST decision.  Many times for kids this age, it is NOT.

Never said they will make the best decision, I said none of us knows what the best decision is for the players, we know what is best for us as fans.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Corkscrew Johnson on April 19, 2017, 08:59:26 am
I mean if it was all about money, they could've gone overseas right after JUCO ball I'm sure. If it's about making it to the NBA, then they need to come back and continue improving on fine tuning their games.

Very true.  There is more to this equation than up front money.  Playing as a junior got them (1) exposure, (2) development (both physical and of their skillset), and (3) maturity.  And truthfully, if your primary concern is leveraging your professional basketball window for maximization of career money, #3 on that list is probably most important of all....who cares how much money you make at age 20 if it's all gone by age 25. 

Who knows how much each of those three factors will be further enhanced by playing as a senior as well.  Definitely helped them as a junior.  Like I said, it is a complex equation.  Hard to do a discounted cash flow model on maturity.   
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on April 19, 2017, 09:08:32 am
Never said they will make the best decision, I said none of us knows what the best decision is for the players, we know what is best for us as fans.

You're right, none of us are God no need to act like we are. It sure would be nice to have them back though!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 19, 2017, 09:16:21 am
Never said they will make the best decision, I said none of us knows what the best decision is for the players, we know what is best for us as fans.

We're on a message board.  I think a decision to leave school at this point would be terrible.  Could they end up doing well?  Sure.  I think they lower their odds of being successful in the future by leaving before finishing at the U of A (basketball/degree).  I would say the same thing if they were players at any other school.  This isn't me saying this from the perspective of what is best for Arkansas basketball.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 19, 2017, 09:32:11 am
Because there goal is to make as much money as they can and they will get more of it by returning.
Not necessarily. Macon likely has no chance to go to the NBA out of college. He is going to go overseas or the d-league whenever he is done regardless of coming back another year, in my opinion. If he leaves now, he has an extra year added to his career of being paid to play basketball. Let's say he will make $100k next year in a foreign country playing basketball. Will him returning allow him to make so much more money that it will make up for leaving 6 figures on the table this year? You also have to keep in mind that the second contract is where you see a big boost in money. Let's say Macon plans on playing 10 more years in his career. He leaves this year, so he has 10 years as a pro. His first 4 years he is on contract for $100k/yr. That totals $400k in 4 years plus has an opportunity to get to the second contract by 2021, where he may make $500k/yr for his last 6 years as a pro. That would mean in his 10 years as a pro he totals $3.4 million in his 10 year career. Under the same scenario, he goes back to school for 1 of his 10 years. Now he is not getting his 2nd contract until 2022, and has just 5 years of pro basketball left before he plans on retiring. He came back to school and made himself more money at $150k/yr for 4 years totaling $600k on his first contract, but his $500k/yr for 5 years on his second contract only nets him $3.1 million in his career. So his maximum potential earnings may actually be less for his career despite being more on his first contract if he returns to college for 1 more year just because he will play less years on a larger contract due to playing an extra year in college.

FYI, this is all speculation because I have no clue what the market for him would be overseas. I am just using it as an example of how it could be beneficial for him to leave. People think coming back to school and making a few thousand or hundred thousand more makes you more money, but in the life of a career if you have a contract you should take it because you only have so many years to play. Portis may see a few million dollar boost when he signs a new deal in a couple of years. Had he returned to Arkansas, he may have made himself a few hundred thousand in his first few years on his rookie contract, but it would have taken him longer to get that second contract that will pay him millions more, so he actually made the right decision for his career.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 19, 2017, 10:19:15 am
Not necessarily. Macon likely has no chance to go to the NBA out of college. He is going to go overseas or the d-league whenever he is done regardless of coming back another year, in my opinion. If he leaves now, he has an extra year added to his career of being paid to play basketball. Let's say he will make $100k next year in a foreign country playing basketball. Will him returning allow him to make so much more money that it will make up for leaving 6 figures on the table this year? You also have to keep in mind that the second contract is where you see a big boost in money. Let's say Macon plans on playing 10 more years in his career. He leaves this year, so he has 10 years as a pro. His first 4 years he is on contract for $100k/yr. That totals $400k in 4 years plus has an opportunity to get to the second contract by 2021, where he may make $500k/yr for his last 6 years as a pro. That would mean in his 10 years as a pro he totals $3.4 million in his 10 year career. Under the same scenario, he goes back to school for 1 of his 10 years. Now he is not getting his 2nd contract until 2022, and has just 5 years of pro basketball left before he plans on retiring. He came back to school and made himself more money at $150k/yr for 4 years totaling $600k on his first contract, but his $500k/yr for 5 years on his second contract only nets him $3.1 million in his career. So his maximum potential earnings may actually be less for his career despite being more on his first contract if he returns to college for 1 more year just because he will play less years on a larger contract due to playing an extra year in college.

FYI, this is all speculation because I have no clue what the market for him would be overseas. I am just using it as an example of how it could be beneficial for him to leave. People think coming back to school and making a few thousand or hundred thousand more makes you more money, but in the life of a career if you have a contract you should take it because you only have so many years to play. Portis may see a few million dollar boost when he signs a new deal in a couple of years. Had he returned to Arkansas, he may have made himself a few hundred thousand in his first few years on his rookie contract, but it would have taken him longer to get that second contract that will pay him millions more, so he actually made the right decision for his career.

1st, I think $100k would be pretty high for a player like him in his 1st year.  2nd, your scenario assumes he gets a baller 2nd contract.  Whether he wants to or not, he should be planning for a scenario in which he doesn't even make it through his 1st contract.

Your logic is correct for guys who are basically locks to be drafted and make it to that 2nd contract in a position to get a baller contract.  Macon/Barford definitely aren't in that category, although they could still possibly make it there.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 19, 2017, 10:31:46 am
My assumption based on the fragmented knowledge I have on the subject is that, in Year 1, Macon would likely fetch something like 60-70k overseas. Would be in a lesser league in Serbia, Poland or the Czech Republic similar to where Marshawn Powell and Rashad Madden ended up. It's okay money, really. But I'm not sure how strong those leagues are in terms of making payments on time or perks (like taxes paid, living arrangements paid for, etc.). You get those perks on Euroleague teams, but I don't think people understand how few teams are actually "Euroleague" teams. There are teams and leagues of all sizes all over the globe. Not all of those leagues/teams are paying six figures. So for Macon to come out now as a non-NBA prospect really puts him at risk to end up in one of these potentially nebulous leagues. He has no name right now. He's not going to be highly-sought after on the international market. Also, we have to keep in mind that many leagues place a restriction on the number of foreign players a team is allowed to have, so he'd have that working against him. There is no doubt he can make money as professional basketball, but there is a great, great amount of doubt as to whether or not it'd be a good decision to do that right now. The best players that don't get drafted or sign with NBA teams as undrafted free agents or as D-League placements (meaning a team signs them to a partially guaranteed contract with the full intent to cut them and retain their D-League rights, allowing the player to pull in close or just over six figures between that guaranteed money and D-League pay) are the ones who are going to get those six figure paydays as rookies overseas. There's a pecking order over there, too, and outside the NBA, teams value experience. Macon has a lot to work on. His best shot, undoubtedly, is to come back to school even if he's never going to play in the NBA. Needs to have a strong senior season if he wants to walk into an overseas league command a contract at or more than 100k annually.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: navyhog24 on April 19, 2017, 10:43:53 am
Then take into account how much the Euro is to the dollar. $70k in the US isn't that much in Europe
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: niels_boar on April 19, 2017, 11:26:58 am
If the salary scale comments are accurate, getting a degree in an employable field is worth a lot more over a lifetime than a European career.  It's certainly worth a lot more than one extra year in Europe.  Total cost of attendance at U of A is supposedly about  $24,000 per year.  Subtract that from your first-year salary if you ultimately want to come back and finish your degree.

In the last five years only 12 of a possible 50 slots for All-Euroleague were filled by Americans.  Of those Americans the only one who went undrafted and has ever signed an NBA contract to this point is Malcolm Delaney, who became the backup PG for Atlanta this season.  The odds aren't great of making it back to the NBA if you get drafted in the second round and get stashed in Europe for seasoning, but they are a lot better than going over there undrafted.  Even Beverley was initially drafted in the second round.

I just don't see where it makes a lot of financial sense in the long term to leave one year early for Europe.  If Europe is your primary option, the books on the desk are more of a golden ticket.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: colbs on April 19, 2017, 12:17:46 pm
Also, it was pointed out on Bo's show he would have a lot more NBA scouts watching him in the SEC vs overseas.  Especially if he ended up in a lesser league overseas.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Bob Slydell on April 19, 2017, 12:26:35 pm
Then take into account how much the Euro is to the dollar. $70k in the US isn't that much in Europe

$70K would be €65,352.  It's actually pretty close to 1 to 1 rate now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: VirginiaHog on April 19, 2017, 12:31:49 pm
Until he signs with an agent, I will continue to believe that he is coming back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 19, 2017, 12:46:04 pm
Are either of them likely draft picks after the 17/18 season?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The_Iceman on April 19, 2017, 01:07:19 pm
Are either of them likely draft picks after the 17/18 season?

If they both come back and work on their game and become All-SEC guards on a potential Sweet 16 team....yeah, I think they could get selected.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 19, 2017, 01:45:21 pm
1st, I think $100k would be pretty high for a player like him in his 1st year.  2nd, your scenario assumes he gets a baller 2nd contract.  Whether he wants to or not, he should be planning for a scenario in which he doesn't even make it through his 1st contract.

Your logic is correct for guys who are basically locks to be drafted and make it to that 2nd contract in a position to get a baller contract.  Macon/Barford definitely aren't in that category, although they could still possibly make it there.
100k is an example, not me saying they will. It was an easy number to use. That is why I said I do not know what he would get.

Also, for those saying they could make the NBA if they come back, I just do not see it for Macon. Barford definitely could with improvement, but Macon is D-league or over seas regardless in my opinion, so I would not blame him to just head there now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on April 19, 2017, 02:02:53 pm
100k is an example, not me saying they will. It was an easy number to use. That is why I said I do not know what he would get.

Also, for those saying they could make the NBA if they come back, I just do not see it for Macon. Barford definitely could with improvement, but Macon is D-league or over seas regardless in my opinion, so I would not blame him to just head there now.

That makes no sense.  Even more reason for him to stay and get a degree.  Also, I think Macon could play his way into being drafted.  He has a lot of work to do in the offseason, but if he puts on a few pounds and works on his defense, I think he could be drafted or at least get a look from some teams.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 19, 2017, 03:28:34 pm
If they both come back and work on their game and become All-SEC guards on a potential Sweet 16 team....yeah, I think they could get selected.

Now we are getting to the heart of the issue for both. They are borderline NBA draft prospects, at best, even with another really good year. So, is the risk of coming back for no $$$ worth it when they could go somewhere and get paid ( maybe not great pay, but pay none the less ).
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 19, 2017, 03:43:28 pm
Now we are getting to the heart of the issue for both. They are borderline NBA draft prospects, at best, even with another really good year. So, is the risk of coming back for no $$$ worth it when they could go somewhere and get paid ( maybe not great pay, but pay none the less ).
Exactly. You can make a case for both to stay or go. If they truly want to give the NBA every shot they can until their exhaust all eligibility, then fine. I think Barford has much more potential to get drafted than Macon, but it is just my opinion. Regardless, they can play for free another year and probably go overseas, or they can go overseas and start making money now.


That makes no sense.  Even more reason for him to stay and get a degree.  Also, I think Macon could play his way into being drafted.  He has a lot of work to do in the offseason, but if he puts on a few pounds and works on his defense, I think he could be drafted or at least get a look from some teams.
How does it make not make sense? People keep saying "if he comes back to school he could be drafted, but if he leaves now he has no chance." In my opinion, he has no chance either way. There isn't a huge market for a 6'2" 180lb SG who is an average defender. He would have to play PG, and I am not sure he can play PG at the NBA level. If you are going overseas now or in a year to make money playing basketball, why not just go now and make your money? You only have so long to play basketball, but you can come back and finish your last year or two of school anytime. I personally think Macon is good enough to show out for 3-4 years and get a really good second contract in a foreign league.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgfan4life on April 19, 2017, 04:03:28 pm
Now we are getting to the heart of the issue for both. They are borderline NBA draft prospects, at best, even with another really good year. So, is the risk of coming back for no $$$ worth it when they could go somewhere and get paid ( maybe not great pay, but pay none the less ).

Staying and helping AR Basketball raise its level of performance by advancing, while deepening their endearment to AR fans could mean far greater long term value and money than simply going overseas one year early for a modest income.  Stay, get a degree, prove your ability to stick things through, and etc can possibly mean far more over time through job opportunities with corporations and boosters that are "friends" to the program.  Leave early, and that lifetime opportunity goes with you out the door.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 19, 2017, 04:18:27 pm
Staying and helping AR Basketball raise its level of performance by advancing, while deepening their endearment to AR fans could mean far greater long term value and money than simply going overseas one year early for a modest income.  Stay, get a degree, prove your ability to stick things through, and etc can possibly mean far more over time through job opportunities with corporations and boosters that are "friends" to the program.  Leave early, and that lifetime opportunity goes with you out the door.

I wont argue the value of a degree, but the rest is romanticized thoughts on how beloved Razorback ( and the same with other schools in their own states ) athletes are. Not saying boosters do not hire ex-players, but it is not as often as people think.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: EastexHawg on April 19, 2017, 04:43:36 pm
What are their majors and what are the average salaries for the first five years out of college for graduates with their degrees?  That's assuming that a player who stays for his senior year of eligibility actually gets a degree.
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Post by: Hawg Red on April 19, 2017, 04:48:59 pm
Now we are getting to the heart of the issue for both. They are borderline NBA draft prospects, at best, even with another really good year. So, is the risk of coming back for no $$$ worth it when they could go somewhere and get paid ( maybe not great pay, but pay none the less ).

Their international stock is more important, IMO. Coming back makes the most sense no matter how you slice it. I don't think either are in a position to command a six-figure salary right now overseas. I wouldn't give up the stage and opportunity their senior season offers for anything less than that. The NBA is unlikely for either, but they could both make some good money overseas. Just not next season. If they feel like their best move to go to how-knows-where and make 50/60/70k (maybe, and if the game checks don't bounce, and if they even get paid when they're supposed and for the full amount), they are really selling themselves short.

B.J. Young has played in two different countries (Georgia and Slovakia) in two different seasons since leaving the D-League (can't find any info on where he played this season). Marshawn Powell has played in Italy, Germany, and I'm pretty sure at least two other countries. Rashad Madden's gone from Poland to Greece to Israel. Courtney Fortson has played China, Turkey, Russia, Venezuela, and Romania. There's a reason why it seems like these players are playing for a different team in a different country every year. It's not a stable situation most of the time. People act like these guys can just go overseas and rake in six figures and it's not always like that. You come back to school and you can at least give yourself another shot at the NBA and you can improve your international profile and hopefully get on with a good, stable club over there. I guarantee you between the former Hogs I just mentioned that there are more than a couple missed paychecks.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 19, 2017, 06:26:46 pm
Their international stock is more important, IMO. Coming back makes the most sense no matter how you slice it. I don't think either are in a position to command a six-figure salary right now overseas. I wouldn't give up the stage and opportunity their senior season offers for anything less than that. The NBA is unlikely for either, but they could both make some good money overseas. Just not next season. If they feel like their best move to go to how-knows-where and make 50/60/70k (maybe, and if the game checks don't bounce, and if they even get paid when they're supposed and for the full amount), they are really selling themselves short.

B.J. Young has played in two different countries (Georgia and Slovakia) in two different seasons since leaving the D-League (can't find any info on where he played this season). Marshawn Powell has played in Italy, Germany, and I'm pretty sure at least two other countries. Rashad Madden's gone from Poland to Greece to Israel. Courtney Fortson has played China, Turkey, Russia, Venezuela, and Romania. There's a reason why it seems like these players are playing for a different team in a different country every year. It's not a stable situation most of the time. People act like these guys can just go overseas and rake in six figures and it's not always like that. You come back to school and you can at least give yourself another shot at the NBA and you can improve your international profile and hopefully get on with a good, stable club over there. I guarantee you between the former Hogs I just mentioned that there are more than a couple missed paychecks.
I'd be interested in what the average salary is for players of Macon/Barford skill level overseas. I'd guess it's no less than 50k and no more than 100k, but you raise a good point when asking if it is worth it. I watched a documentary a few years ago, and it followed two guys playing overseas and the ups and downs of that. They missed getting their regular paycheck on multiple occasions and had more headaches with the team owner than they could ultimately tolerate. Including randomly not having a coach for a game or two stretch, a multitude of times.
Additionally, one has to ask if moving is worth it for that level of salary. If I received an offer from a company in Greece for twice my current yearly salary, and it promised to be a more fulfilling/easier position, I'm still not sure it would be worth it. To leave one's family, live where you don't speak the language, and just deal with the adjustment of living in a foreign country, is it possibly worth it?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on April 19, 2017, 07:26:45 pm
I wont argue the value of a degree, but the rest is romanticized thoughts on how beloved Razorback ( and the same with other schools in their own states ) athletes are. Not saying boosters do not hire ex-players, but it is not as often as people think.

You are wrong! Just dead wrong I know this for a fact. Play for the Hogs and you will have all kinds of opportunity it's there. Up to you how you handle yourself but you get taken care of to speak as long as you are a decent human .
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Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 19, 2017, 11:22:04 pm
Their international stock is more important, IMO. Coming back makes the most sense no matter how you slice it. I don't think either are in a position to command a six-figure salary right now overseas. I wouldn't give up the stage and opportunity their senior season offers for anything less than that. The NBA is unlikely for either, but they could both make some good money overseas. Just not next season. If they feel like their best move to go to how-knows-where and make 50/60/70k (maybe, and if the game checks don't bounce, and if they even get paid when they're supposed and for the full amount), they are really selling themselves short.

B.J. Young has played in two different countries (Georgia and Slovakia) in two different seasons since leaving the D-League (can't find any info on where he played this season). Marshawn Powell has played in Italy, Germany, and I'm pretty sure at least two other countries. Rashad Madden's gone from Poland to Greece to Israel. Courtney Fortson has played China, Turkey, Russia, Venezuela, and Romania. There's a reason why it seems like these players are playing for a different team in a different country every year. It's not a stable situation most of the time. People act like these guys can just go overseas and rake in six figures and it's not always like that. You come back to school and you can at least give yourself another shot at the NBA and you can improve your international profile and hopefully get on with a good, stable club over there. I guarantee you between the former Hogs I just mentioned that there are more than a couple missed paychecks.

Holy ish.  We gotta get this message to Macon and Barford. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on April 20, 2017, 12:07:22 am
Not necessarily. Macon likely has no chance to go to the NBA out of college. He is going to go overseas or the d-league whenever he is done regardless of coming back another year, in my opinion. If he leaves now, he has an extra year added to his career of being paid to play basketball. Let's say he will make $100k next year in a foreign country playing basketball. Will him returning allow him to make so much more money that it will make up for leaving 6 figures on the table this year? You also have to keep in mind that the second contract is where you see a big boost in money. Let's say Macon plans on playing 10 more years in his career. He leaves this year, so he has 10 years as a pro. His first 4 years he is on contract for $100k/yr. That totals $400k in 4 years plus has an opportunity to get to the second contract by 2021, where he may make $500k/yr for his last 6 years as a pro. That would mean in his 10 years as a pro he totals $3.4 million in his 10 year career. Under the same scenario, he goes back to school for 1 of his 10 years. Now he is not getting his 2nd contract until 2022, and has just 5 years of pro basketball left before he plans on retiring. He came back to school and made himself more money at $150k/yr for 4 years totaling $600k on his first contract, but his $500k/yr for 5 years on his second contract only nets him $3.1 million in his career. So his maximum potential earnings may actually be less for his career despite being more on his first contract if he returns to college for 1 more year just because he will play less years on a larger contract due to playing an extra year in college.

FYI, this is all speculation because I have no clue what the market for him would be overseas. I am just using it as an example of how it could be beneficial for him to leave. People think coming back to school and making a few thousand or hundred thousand more makes you more money, but in the life of a career if you have a contract you should take it because you only have so many years to play. Portis may see a few million dollar boost when he signs a new deal in a couple of years. Had he returned to Arkansas, he may have made himself a few hundred thousand in his first few years on his rookie contract, but it would have taken him longer to get that second contract that will pay him millions more, so he actually made the right decision for his career.
he ain't making 100k his first year if he goes out.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 20, 2017, 06:16:18 am
Their international stock is more important, IMO. Coming back makes the most sense no matter how you slice it. I don't think either are in a position to command a six-figure salary right now overseas. I wouldn't give up the stage and opportunity their senior season offers for anything less than that. The NBA is unlikely for either, but they could both make some good money overseas. Just not next season. If they feel like their best move to go to how-knows-where and make 50/60/70k (maybe, and if the game checks don't bounce, and if they even get paid when they're supposed and for the full amount), they are really selling themselves short.

B.J. Young has played in two different countries (Georgia and Slovakia) in two different seasons since leaving the D-League (can't find any info on where he played this season). Marshawn Powell has played in Italy, Germany, and I'm pretty sure at least two other countries. Rashad Madden's gone from Poland to Greece to Israel. Courtney Fortson has played China, Turkey, Russia, Venezuela, and Romania. There's a reason why it seems like these players are playing for a different team in a different country every year. It's not a stable situation most of the time. People act like these guys can just go overseas and rake in six figures and it's not always like that. You come back to school and you can at least give yourself another shot at the NBA and you can improve your international profile and hopefully get on with a good, stable club over there. I guarantee you between the former Hogs I just mentioned that there are more than a couple missed paychecks.

One thing I would add is those teams have a limit to # of Foreign players they can have on their roster. Which adds to the constant changing of teams.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 20, 2017, 08:13:21 am
One thing I would add is those teams have a limit to # of Foreign players they can have on their roster. Which adds to the constant changing of teams.

Yes, I mentioned the limit on foreign players in post #229 but not in the one you quoted. It limits the spots available in good leagues and causes players to just from team/country to team/country. Makes it all that more important to be able to sign a stable contract (I need to look into how feasible this statement is).

There's also the intangible at play here. The sentimental. No amount of money in the world can buy back that senior year playing for the Hogs. That might not mean as much to Barford (who, by all accounts, seems intent on returning after getting feedback), but we know it was a dream for Macon. It'd be understandable to end that dream for millions of dollars or for entry-level spot in the NBA. But is it really worth it for 50-70k in a foreign country? I don't know his financial situation, but I do know that the school is paying for him to sleep and eat, and he's getting stipend. He really doesn't have "bills" like us adults in the real world. I realize he might want to help his family, but the kind of pay we're talking about (if he even gets all of it) isn't going to go very far trying to support multiple people. It's very much short-term money. Is that worth ending your dream when you could come back, get better, improve your standing, and possibly get the Hogs into that Sweet 16-Elite 8 territory? What price do you put on being a central figure in getting the Hogs back into the second weekend of the tournament? He was just months old the last time we were in the Sweet 16. I'd put a much greater value on that than 70k. That's something that will last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: navyhog24 on April 20, 2017, 09:08:03 am
Supposedly, Macon hasn't been attending classes. I don't know if this means anything or how true/false it may be. Just passing it along.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 20, 2017, 09:10:28 am
Supposedly, Macon hasn't been attending classes. I don't know if this means anything or how true/false it may be. Just passing it along.

If it's true, we all know what it means.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 20, 2017, 09:30:28 am

There's also the intangible at play here. The sentimental. No amount of money in the world can buy back that senior year playing for the Hogs.


Could we romanticize this a little more. Most players are in it to better themselves, where they do that is just a matter of personal choice most of the time. Yes, to a in state player there may be some level of sentimentality. but not to the point that would be the deciding factor on coming back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Youngsta71701 on April 20, 2017, 09:47:57 am
If it's true, we all know what it means.
He's sick ;). :razorback:
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: EastexHawg on April 20, 2017, 09:52:08 am
Does anyone know were to find recent graduation rates for Razorback men's basketball?  The latest numbers I can find are from 2009.

When I read comments that players need to come back and get their degrees I always wonder how many of them are on track to graduate in another year...or two...or ever.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 20, 2017, 10:13:19 am
Could we romanticize this a little more. Most players are in it to better themselves, where they do that is just a matter of personal choice most of the time. Yes, to a in state player there may be some level of sentimentality. but not to the point that would be the deciding factor on coming back.

I just simply don't agree with you. Again, we're not talking about a kidding making the decision to pass on millions of dollars to return to school for one last season. We're talking about a kid making the decision to pass on tens of thousands of dollars in a foreign country to return for his senior season (and he's only played one season at his dream school).
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawg66 on April 20, 2017, 10:49:31 am
Lots of kids quit college to take a job. Not usually the best decision but not an unusual one.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: niels_boar on April 20, 2017, 12:46:08 pm
Lots of kids quit college to take a job. Not usually the best decision but not an unusual one.

Lots of kids are also paying their own way or accumulating debt to go to college.  College is expensive. One problem with the "they can always finish school later" argument is that they now have to pay their own way.  That's a big hit to the money that you earn for just one extra year in Europe.  Also, there are horror stories about not getting paid at all overseas.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/9/20/2436043/nba-overseas-payment-dan-grunfeld (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/9/20/2436043/nba-overseas-payment-dan-grunfeld)


It's far from a certainty, but both Barford and Macon have skills that translate to the NBA.  If I were a scout, I would be intrigued by Barford's ability to finish in traffic, and he looks capable of significantly improving his accuracy on jump shots. 

Likewise, Macon can make treys off the bounce.  A lot of guys can down about 40% from the arc after a pass from penetration, but the skill to create and make a shot from range is a lot less common.  He needs to improve his ballhandling to make himself a viable point guard at the next level. His template ought to be Malcolm Delaney, who is the same size and was a very similar player in college, i.e. a 6-3 combo guard who was more a scorer than a distributor.  Macon is probably a better athlete than Delaney.  Delaney was able to convince the NBA that he could play PG after five years in Europe.  Macon could accelerate that process and draw a lot more attention by schooling opponents like UK on national TV next season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on April 20, 2017, 02:20:03 pm
If he's not attending classes it would be pretty easy for the staff to know they have two scholarships to fill instead of just one. So if we get two commits in the coming weeks we know exactly where we are at. I really like Macon, I think he could have a heck of a season next year. But the drama with the tweets, and deleting them, has gotten old. There is little to no excuse to leaving. I have a number of former teammates of mine that are playing over seas that worked out with NBA teams and have played in some of the top leagues over seas. Not a single one sniffed six figures in their first two or three seasons. None of them played on the same team from one year to the next. Getting his degree will be more beneficial to him than the 6-10 seasons he may get over seas. Get that paid for now and then make your money and get out.

IF not, then just go, let the staff find your replacement and let us all move on.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on April 20, 2017, 08:08:44 pm
Supposedly, Macon hasn't been attending classes. I don't know if this means anything or how true/false it may be. Just passing it along.
Where did you get this info? I mean from somebody that would know? I haven't read that anywhere but from you that he isn't going to class?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 21, 2017, 04:49:53 pm
FWIW Dudley just said on the radio that from what he's hearing he expects Macon to leave and play overseas.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on April 21, 2017, 05:09:33 pm
FWIW Dudley just said on the radio that from what he's hearing he expects Macon to leave and play overseas.

I remember Dudley saying several times that he believed Portis and Qualls were both coming back.  Let's hope his accuracy here is the same.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on April 21, 2017, 05:35:54 pm
FWIW Dudley just said on the radio that from what he's hearing he expects Macon to leave and play overseas.

What show?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 21, 2017, 06:24:50 pm
What show?
Bo's.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 21, 2017, 06:33:00 pm
FWIW Dudley just said on the radio that from what he's hearing he expects Macon to leave and play overseas.

Did he say anything on Barford?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Karma on April 21, 2017, 06:59:42 pm
If he's not attending classes it would be pretty easy for the staff to know they have two scholarships to fill instead of just one. So if we get two commits in the coming weeks we know exactly where we are at. I really like Macon, I think he could have a heck of a season next year. But the drama with the tweets, and deleting them, has gotten old. There is little to no excuse to leaving. I have a number of former teammates of mine that are playing over seas that worked out with NBA teams and have played in some of the top leagues over seas. Not a single one sniffed six figures in their first two or three seasons. None of them played on the same team from one year to the next. Getting his degree will be more beneficial to him than the 6-10 seasons he may get over seas. Get that paid for now and then make your money and get out.

IF not, then just go, let the staff find your replacement and let us all move on.
True. Also takes away the excuse "we were stunned he left so we didn't fill the spot."
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 21, 2017, 07:04:12 pm
Has Crawford committed?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 21, 2017, 07:04:43 pm
Has Crawford committed?

To Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 21, 2017, 07:06:40 pm
I hope Daryl sees a greater value in playing in the SEC next year rather than a lower-level foreign league where he may not get the money agreed to.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 21, 2017, 07:07:02 pm
Did he say anything on Barford?

He said he expects barford back and Macon to leave.  Basically said Macon realizes he may not be an NBA prospect so why not go now? At least that was my impression of what he said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 21, 2017, 07:08:02 pm
Wish he would make his decision official so the coaches can get his spot filled.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 21, 2017, 07:09:17 pm
He said he expects barford back and Macon to leave.  Basically said Macon realizes he may not be an NBA prospect so why not go now? At least that was my impression of what he said.

Very pragmatic, if true.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 21, 2017, 07:46:36 pm
It sure seems like Macon is leaning that way,which means this staff needs to really get on it and find a grad transfer or a juco guard to help soften the blow. I'm not expecting that however.....
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 21, 2017, 07:48:15 pm
I just simply don't agree with you. Again, we're not talking about a kidding making the decision to pass on millions of dollars to return to school for one last season. We're talking about a kid making the decision to pass on tens of thousands of dollars in a foreign country to return for his senior season (and he's only played one season at his dream school).

This times a thousand.

Yes, good college players can make a decent living playing overseas.  The more lucrative deals that would compel someone to leave school early, however, aren't automatic.     

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 21, 2017, 07:53:23 pm
He said he expects barford back and Macon to leave.  Basically said Macon realizes he may not be an NBA prospect so why not go now? At least that was my impression of what he said.

Wow I guess he was probably in a juco in the first place cause he hates school.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 21, 2017, 07:53:54 pm
It sure seems like Macon is leaning that way,which means this staff needs to really get on it and find a grad transfer or a juco guard to help soften the blow. I'm not expecting that however.....

Juco market is weak this year. Quality grad transfers are hard to get.

Our hope will probably have to be that one of Garland or Hall is ready right away. And of course that assuming CJ is the impact player we all think he can be.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 21, 2017, 08:14:18 pm
Juco market is weak this year. Quality grad transfers are hard to get.

Our hope will probably have to be that one of Garland or Hall is ready right away. And of course that assuming CJ is the impact player we all think he can be.

Yet Florida, Okie St., Ole Miss are all getting quality grad transfers. Our best shot was likely Crawford but it sure did seem like we took our sweet little ole time contacting him. Not alot of effort there it seemed.

Darrington, a scoring guard from the Juco ranks would also be a good option. But that might make to much sense as well.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on April 21, 2017, 08:16:32 pm
If Macon goes, it probably makes Hardy a more realistic possibility since playing time would be more readily available.  Hope it gets sorted soon, glad the coaches seem to be working hard to cover the possibility.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 21, 2017, 08:31:00 pm
Yet Florida, Okie St., Ole Miss are all getting quality grad transfers. Our best shot was likely Crawford but it sure did seem like we took our sweet little ole time contacting him. Not alot of effort there it seemed.

Darrington, a scoring guard from the Juco ranks would also be a good option. But that might make to much sense as well.

Okay, you want a cookie? Would that help you act like you aren't on your period?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 21, 2017, 08:34:21 pm
Hey, just calling it like I see it. Right now it looks like another Spring whiff fest that we are all use 2 at this point. Let's hope it gets turned around.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on April 21, 2017, 08:53:14 pm
Hey, just calling it like I see it. Right now it looks like another Spring whiff fest that we are all use 2 at this point. Let's hope it gets turned around.

I agree just the truth. We seem at this time to be lagging.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: reddawg213 on April 21, 2017, 08:56:09 pm
I agree just the truth. We seem at this time to be lagging.

Not good when you have 3 guards thinking of walking. . . . .
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: batmanfan on April 21, 2017, 09:44:42 pm
3?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 21, 2017, 10:35:31 pm
Yet Florida, Okie St., Ole Miss are all getting quality grad transfers. Our best shot was likely Crawford but it sure did seem like we took our sweet little ole time contacting him. Not alot of effort there it seemed.

Darrington, a scoring guard from the Juco ranks would also be a good option. But that might make to much sense as well.

We keep getting shot down because of playing time and location have hurt us.

Crawford went to Ole Miss because it's practically the next thing to Memphis.

Smith went to Tech onerous playing time. Hardy has stalled because of playing time.

Macon announcing either way would help a ton.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on April 21, 2017, 11:09:35 pm
3?

I would guess Glasper is the 3rd he is referring to.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 21, 2017, 11:58:12 pm
We shouldn't be surprised.  Macon and Barford said they planned on leaving after 1 year here when they signed. 

Coaches should have been prepared for this.  Hopefully there were.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 22, 2017, 12:14:11 am
We shouldn't be surprised.  Macon and Barford said they planned on leaving after 1 year here when they signed. 

Coaches should have been prepared for this.  Hopefully there were.

Not exactly what they said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 22, 2017, 12:23:21 am
Not exactly what they said.
Ummm, yes.  They have been talking about being one and done since before the 16-17 season.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 22, 2017, 12:25:35 am
Ummm, yes.  They have been talking about being one and done since before the 16-17 season.

They said if they come in we do want they are capable of they could possibly be one and done.

They never said we will only play one year. That would not be correct
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 22, 2017, 12:29:35 am
They said if they come in we do want they are capable of they could possibly be one and done.

They never said we will only play one year. That would not be correct
You guys can argue semantics all you want.  The point of the post is that these 2 have been saying their goals are to be at Arkansas for 1 year as far back as when they signed. 

This shouldn't be shocking to the coaches.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 22, 2017, 12:36:35 am
Ummm, yes.  They have been talking about being one and done since before the 16-17 season.

Ummm....No it wasn't. You are  exaggerating what was actually said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 22, 2017, 12:36:49 am
You guys can argue semantics all you want.  The point of the post is that these 2 have been saying their goals are to be at Arkansas for 1 year as far back as when they signed. 

This shouldn't be shocking to the coaches.

I'm sure it's every top prospects goal to be a one and done. Doesn't make it a reality. My Madden told ppl he would be here 2 years tops. Played all 4
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 22, 2017, 12:43:24 am
I'm sure it's every top prospects goal to be a one and done. Doesn't make it a reality. My Madden told ppl he would be here 2 years tops. Played all 4
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=612246.0

I'm not sure what you're arguing.  They brought up the possibility of leaving after one year.  The coaches knew this.  Gotta have a plan in place just in case.  I'm not saying they failed to do so...just saying I hope they have a card up their sleeves in case they do opt to leave.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 22, 2017, 01:32:33 am
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=612246.0

I'm not sure what you're arguing.  They brought up the possibility of leaving after one year.  The coaches knew this.  Gotta have a plan in place just in case.  I'm not saying they failed to do so...just saying I hope they have a card up their sleeves in case they do opt to leave.

I listened to the interview. I know what was said. Apparently you haven't.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on April 22, 2017, 09:02:15 am
He said he expects barford back and Macon to leave.  Basically said Macon realizes he may not be an NBA prospect so why not go now? At least that was my impression of what he said.
So there's no chance with a great senior season he could be an NBA signee?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 22, 2017, 09:03:46 am
So there's no chance with a great senior season he could be an NBA signee?

Yep. A great Senior year won't make him 6'5
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 22, 2017, 09:11:55 am
I listened to the interview. I know what was said. Apparently you haven't.
So signed recruits go on statewide radio and mention the possibility of leaving after one year.  What am I missing?

They gave the coaching staff a full year's warning that this could happen.  Surely they are prepared?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 22, 2017, 09:26:34 am
So there's no chance with a great senior season he could be an NBA signee?

Not my contention. Just what impression I got from DD.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 22, 2017, 10:48:12 am
Yep. A great Senior year won't make him 6'5

There are plent of people in the NBA not 6'5
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HiggiePiggy on April 22, 2017, 11:06:47 am
There are plent of people in the NBA not 6'5

There is 2 players currently that are both 5'9".
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 22, 2017, 11:39:33 am
I just don't understand all the hand wringing about whether one or both of these young men stay or go.  Does anyone on this board really think a coach who has been in the business as long as CMA not understand some young men will leave early, not transition to college life and not meet academic standards, or even get injured?  I keep seeing some posters suggesting losing players is a shock to the coaching staff.  None of us on HV has a clue concerning his strategy on building HIS program.  For all we know, CJ was the better shooter of he and Macon but could have been in CMA's dog house.  His intent may be to turn over PG duties to Beard.  Who knows his plans and I find it quit entertaining reading all the posts by all these premier D1 coaches on HV.  Lol!  That's why I have to read more and more.  It just crack me up so much!  LOL!

Yeah, it's like open mike night at the local comedy club. Maybe should change the name to Comedy Central cause that what it seems like sometimes.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 22, 2017, 11:43:22 am
There are plent of people in the NBA not 6'5

Yep, and the majority aren't playing off guard
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 22, 2017, 11:44:30 am
There is 2 players currently that are both 5'9".

Not playing shooting guard or small forward.

Listen the NBA has prototype sizes they want from certain positions Macon doesn't fit that. Now of course there are exceptions Malik Monk will be one.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 22, 2017, 11:56:04 am
So much noise around this situation.

I hope Daryl stays because it'd be what's best for everyone (him, us, program), but if he has made his mind up to leave, he needs to announce that publicly so we can move on hopefully seal the deal with Amauri Hardy.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 22, 2017, 12:00:55 pm
So much noise around this situation.

I hope Daryl stays because it'd be what's best for everyone (him, us, program), but if he has made his mind up to leave, he needs to announce that publicly so we can move on hopefully seal the deal with Amauri Hardy.

I think he has one foot out the door. Maybe he has a last minute change of heart though. Would be nice for the teams prospects next year.

Still, if ya gonna go, now would be a good time to go ahead and sign with an agent and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TexArkHogFan on April 22, 2017, 12:06:52 pm
As I understand it, both Macon and Barford have declared for the NBA draft without signing an agent.  Now supposedly Macon already knows he ain't gonna be drafted so his only option if playing overseas.  If that be the case, my question is why the delay.  If he knows he's going overseas why hasn't he already done so?  That's why I believe their intentions is to get a feel for what they need to improve on and come back for another year just as Moses did.  Now, they may have said they wanted to be one and done before the season started but since found out it ain't all that easy.  As my old granny used to say "don't develop champagne taste on a beer pocketbook".
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 22, 2017, 12:26:32 pm
Is it possible that Macon is firm on his belief that he's leaving because he firmly believes he's going to blow away scouts at the combine? Perhaps luke warm responses could change his potential firm stance on leaving?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 22, 2017, 01:22:19 pm
I just don't understand all the hand wringing about whether one or both of these young men stay or go.  Does anyone on this board really think a coach who has been in the business as long as CMA not understand some young men will leave early, not transition to college life and not meet academic standards, or even get injured? 
You don't understand that these guys leaving would make our team worse?

I keep seeing some posters suggesting losing players is a shock to the coaching staff. 
Why did you quote my post then?  I said...Surely they are are prepared?  But to answer your question, people wonder if the staff is prepared because of what happened when Portis and Qualls left.

For all we know, CJ was the better shooter of he and Macon but could have been in CMA's dog house.  His intent may be to turn over PG duties to Beard. 
Surely you don't really believe this.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 22, 2017, 01:26:32 pm
Chicken Littles getting a jump on the 2017 season. Never too early I guess.  >:(
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 22, 2017, 01:51:51 pm
So does anybody have a timeline on all of this?  When will Macon get feedback? Does he have to be invited to a workout? Will he be forced to make a decision at some point and when is that?

My take on all of this:  Macon doesn't really like to work hard or at least work hard on the things that matter.  II could be wrong but, I base this off of 1. He couldn't qualify and went to Juco.  And 2. In a press conference around Christmas time he said a short turn around between games was good because they didn't have to practice and Barford was like "You're saying you don't like to practice, get out of here with that."

I have a feeling CMA pushed Macon hard just like he does with all his players.  Macon is thinking man, that basketball plus school grind was HARD. Which, i bet it was! He can probably go make some money off his current skills.

But what I would tell Macon is that "you got so much better from the beginning to the end of the year, to the end.  That's what mike Anderson and staff do.  What he teaches you will stick for life.  You'll have a shot at the NBA, make more money overseas, have a degree for after basketball, more great memories, and a better work ethic and confidence that you can clear obstacles, which is priceless.  One more year, you're tough, you can do it."

I've seen so many people with all the opportunities in the world not capitalize in the worst fashion, and while this would be up there in terms of the worst, I wouldn't be surprised because I've seen it happen so many times.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 22, 2017, 04:34:01 pm
Is it possible that Macon is firm on his belief that he's leaving because he firmly believes he's going to blow away scouts at the combine? Perhaps luke warm responses could change his potential firm stance on leaving?

His bubble is about to be burst, then. He's probably not even in the top 100 of players to be invited to the combine and they only bring in about 60.
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Post by: Inhogswetrust on April 23, 2017, 09:40:19 am
So much noise around this situation.

I hope Daryl stays because it'd be what's best for everyone (him, us, program), but if he has made his mind up to leave, he needs to announce that publicly so we can move on hopefully seal the deal with Amauri Hardy.

WHY do some people think they always know what is best for other people. Only he and his family knows what is best for him. The criteria for what is best is not always the same as what random fans think is best for any one player. Unless you are his parent, coach, mentor, close advisor OR someone that knows what is important to him in his mind then neither you, I nor anyone else knows what is "best" for him.
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Post by: onebadrubi on April 23, 2017, 09:57:28 am
I just don't understand all the hand wringing about whether one or both of these young men stay or go.  Does anyone on this board really think a coach who has been in the business as long as CMA not understand some young men will leave early, not transition to college life and not meet academic standards, or even get injured?  I keep seeing some posters suggesting losing players is a shock to the coaching staff.  None of us on HV has a clue concerning his strategy on building HIS program.  For all we know, CJ was the better shooter of he and Macon but could have been in CMA's dog house.  His intent may be to turn over PG duties to Beard.  Who knows his plans and I find it quit entertaining reading all the posts by all these premier D1 coaches on HV.  Lol!  That's why I have to read more and more.  It just crack me up so much!  LOL!

By all accounts Qualls was a complete shock to Anderson.  So you never know.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: onebadrubi on April 23, 2017, 10:01:39 am
WHY do some people think they always know what is best for other people. Only he and his family knows what is best for him. The criteria for what is best is not always the same as what random fans think is best for any one player. Unless you are his parent, coach, mentor, close advisor OR someone that knows what is important to him in his mind then you and I nor anyone else knows what is "best" for him.

You think ANY late teen or early 20's young male actually knows what's best for him?   I'm not saying a poster on hogville does, but at that age, very few actually do.
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Post by: k.c.hawg on April 23, 2017, 10:44:42 am
You think ANY late teen or early 20's young male actually knows what's best for him?   I'm not saying a poster on hogville does, but at that age, very few actually do.

Short of criminal activity what is usually best for someone in their early 20's is to live their life as they choose, learn what works and what doesn't, learn from your mistakes and commit yourself to becoming a wiser, stronger, better person every day. Bad decisions we make in our early 20's are just as valuable as the good decisions we make, in the big picture of life.
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Post by: FineAsSwine on April 23, 2017, 11:15:15 am
I am no longer waiting in anticipation. Love to have him back though.
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Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 23, 2017, 11:19:50 am
You think ANY late teen or early 20's young male actually knows what's best for him?   I'm not saying a poster on hogville does, but at that age, very few actually do.

Probably most don't. However, here in America we thankfully have the right to make decisions and deal with the postives and negatives of those choices.

We also have the right to question the choices of others.
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Post by: East TN HAWG on April 23, 2017, 11:57:27 am
If Macon is not going to class as reported on this board, will he be academically eligible to play next year?  Can he get enough hours in during the summer?

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Post by: k.c.hawg on April 23, 2017, 12:00:05 pm
Probably most don't. However, here in America we thankfully have the right to make decisions and deal with the postives and negatives of those choices.

We also have the right to question the choices of others.

Right and in turn we have a right to tell those that question our decisions about our life, GFY and live your own pathetic life. Especially when those questioning it, have a vested interest in the person doing what they they think is best for them. Vested in the since of sitting their fat ass on the couch, guzzling beer and watching their favorite college basketball team.
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Post by: reddawg213 on April 23, 2017, 12:12:11 pm
If Macon is not going to class as reported on this board, will he be academically eligible to play next year?  Can he get enough hours in during the summer?

Most likely not if he has miss a lot of time. He was never a strong student like Moses or Watkins which is why he went JUCO in the first place . . . . . . all the more reason he might be leaving. On a positive note, we'd have a extra scholarship to give so . . . . . yeah . . . . . . . it's something . . . . .
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Post by: dsgreen on April 23, 2017, 12:27:19 pm
So does anybody have a timeline on all of this?  When will Macon get feedback? Does he have to be invited to a workout? Will he be forced to make a decision at some point and when is that?

My take on all of this:  Macon doesn't really like to work hard or at least work hard on the things that matter.  II could be wrong but, I base this off of 1. He couldn't qualify and went to Juco.  And 2. In a press conference around Christmas time he said a short turn around between games was good because they didn't have to practice and Barford was like "You're saying you don't like to practice, get out of here with that."

I have a feeling CMA pushed Macon hard just like he does with all his players.  Macon is thinking man, that basketball plus school grind was HARD. Which, i bet it was! He can probably go make some money off his current skills.

But what I would tell Macon is that "you got so much better from the beginning to the end of the year, to the end.  That's what mike Anderson and staff do.  What he teaches you will stick for life.  You'll have a shot at the NBA, make more money overseas, have a degree for after basketball, more great memories, and a better work ethic and confidence that you can clear obstacles, which is priceless.  One more year, you're tough, you can do it."

I've seen so many people with all the opportunities in the world not capitalize in the worst fashion, and while this would be up there in terms of the worst, I wouldn't be surprised because I've seen it happen so many times.

U.S. college players have until 10 days after the final day of the combine to remove their name from the draft and return to school.   The NBA combine this year is May 9-14th, so they have until the 24th of May to withdraw from the draft and maintain NCAA eligibility.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 23, 2017, 01:41:54 pm
He said he expects barford back and Macon to leave.  Basically said Macon realizes he may not be an NBA prospect so why not go now? At least that was my impression of what he said.
Weird, I have been saying the same thing and have been getting laughed at. It works for a lot more players than most on here want to believe. Powell did it, and encourages others to do it, too. I personally know a former player who played about 6 years overseas, saved up enough money in his time doing it, and then came back to the states to get a graduate degree. He was given a one bedroom apartment, transportation, plus about $55,000 to play in Poland. I think after his 3rd or 4th year he got a salary increase. He came back to the USA with a couple hundred thousand saved up at the age of 30 with zero debt. He averaged about 3-4 ppg playing in college. Poland is one of the least competitive leagues. Americans typically get paid more, but I do not have a clue what league pays what, or what type of league Macon would even have a shot to make. I do know Macon is more talented than this player was out of college, so I imagine he would get a similar deal with a better salary.

I know that doesn't sound like much, but when you are already having most of your bills and transportation paid for you are able to save $30-40,000 per year. I know most don't agree, but he has zero shot at being drafted after next year. Coming back would be only to try and increase his value to international teams. I just hope Macon is prepared to live in another country considering it is drastically different from Little Rock.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: daprospecta on April 23, 2017, 01:56:42 pm
Weird, I have been saying the same thing and have been getting laughed at. It works for a lot more players than most on here want to believe. Powell did it, and encourages others to do it, too. I personally know a former player who played about 6 years overseas, saved up enough money in his time doing it, and then came back to the states to get a graduate degree. He was given a one bedroom apartment, transportation, plus about $55,000 to play in Poland. I think after his 3rd or 4th year he got a salary increase. He came back to the USA with a couple hundred thousand saved up at the age of 30 with zero debt. He averaged about 3-4 ppg playing in college. Poland is one of the least competitive leagues. Americans typically get paid more, but I do not have a clue what league pays what, or what type of league Macon would even have a shot to make. I do know Macon is more talented than this player was out of college, so I imagine he would get a similar deal with a better salary.

I know that doesn't sound like much, but when you are already having most of your bills and transportation paid for you are able to save $30-40,000 per year. I know most don't agree, but he has zero shot at being drafted after next year. Coming back would be only to try and increase his value to international teams. I just hope Macon is prepared to live in another country considering it is drastically different from Little Rock.

I wouldn't say zero shot.  If he improves his handles a bit and becomes a better passer, I would say it's possible. Yogi Ferrell is in the NBA.  I dare someone say Yogi is that much better than Macon and I believe Macon is taller.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 23, 2017, 02:07:45 pm
I wouldn't say zero shot.  If he improves his handles a bit and becomes a better passer, I would say it's possible. Yogi Ferrell is in the NBA.  I dare someone say Yogi is that much better than Macon and I believe Macon is taller.
You mean the Yogi Ferrell that was a top 25, McDonald's AA high school recruit? The same one that averaged 17 ppg and over 40% shooting from 3pt at Indiana, in arguably the best conference in the country at the time? Ferrell was an All-American in college.


By the way, I said zero shot at being drafted. Yogi wasn't drafted, either. Macon may make the NBA at some point in his career, but Macon will not be drafted if he comes back. I think his only chance of making the NBA is getting on a d-league team and injuries allowing him to get called up for a few games.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 23, 2017, 02:12:19 pm
U.S. college players have until 10 days after the final day of the combine to remove their name from the draft and return to school.   The NBA combine this year is May 9-14th, so they have until the 24th of May to withdraw from the draft and maintain NCAA eligibility.

Thank you very much.  The draft is in late June so they have till late may. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 23, 2017, 02:16:54 pm
You mean the Yogi Ferrell that was a top 25, McDonald's AA high school recruit? The same one that averaged 17 ppg and over 40% shooting from 3pt at Indiana, in arguably the best conference in the country at the time? Ferrell was an All-American in college.


By the way, I said zero shot at being drafted. Yogi wasn't drafted, either. Macon may make the NBA at some point in his career, but Macon will not be drafted if he comes back. I think his only chance of making the NBA is getting on a d-league team and injuries allowing him to get called up for a few games.

Cj McCollum comes off the top of my head as a 6'3" guard that is ballin in the nba.  Macon has a shot at the NBA.  And McCollum went 10th overall. He's a shooting guard.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 23, 2017, 02:23:44 pm

Macon has half of this guys game down as far as the no look passes in traffic and shooting threes off the bounce and off balance.  If he can just get some of the step back game and better handles he's there...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Inhogswetrust on April 23, 2017, 05:40:46 pm
You think ANY late teen or early 20's young male actually knows what's best for him?   I'm not saying a poster on hogville does, but at that age, very few actually do.

You might be surprised what a 20 year old can do. You might not remember when you were 20 but I remember when Was. When I was 20 and I made both good and bad decisions. I'm almost 60 now and that hasn't changed and it doesn't for a lot of people. The problem is you or I don't know specifically him, his situation or anyone he speaks with about advice. The bigger issue is you thinking you can give him advice over the internet and think what is best for him and only because of his age and where he is at you know what's best for him. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HawgnCorona on April 23, 2017, 07:53:40 pm
Probably most don't. However, here in America we thankfully have the right to make decisions and deal with the postives and negatives of those choices.

We also have the right to question the choices of others.

You are outside "others" sphere of influence, so what right have you? However, you are entitled to your opinion. Have at it...
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Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 23, 2017, 08:00:30 pm
You are outside "others" sphere of influence, so what right have you? However, you are entitled to your opinion. Have at it...

I am talking in general not specific to Macon. But you want continue to be an ass, have at it.. It is also your right. However, you probably won't have a lot of friends
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HawgnCorona on April 23, 2017, 08:32:05 pm
I am talking in general not specific to Macon. But you want continue to be an ass, have at it.. It is also your right. However, you probably won't have a lot of friends

Relax tough guy...You dont have a right question anybodies choices. However school me. Otherwise you are entitled to believe what you will. That is all Im saying...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 23, 2017, 08:37:55 pm
Relax tough guy...You dont have a right question anybodies choices. However school me. Otherwise you are entitled to believe what you will. That is all Im saying...

I have the right to question anyone's choices. If not arrest me

Now that doesn't mean I have the right to prevent them from making there choice. But I can question anything I want
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HawgnCorona on April 23, 2017, 08:49:41 pm
I have the right to question anyone's choices. If not arrest me

Now that doesn't mean I have the right to prevent them from making there choice. But I can question anything I want

Ok. So why are you having issues with me "questioning" what you claim is your right? No doubt one can question what they want , but it isnt a right...My challenge to you is show proof.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 23, 2017, 09:36:22 pm
Ok. So why are you having issues with me "questioning" what you claim is your right? No doubt one can question what they want , but it isnt a right...My challenge to you is show proof.



Proof of what?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 23, 2017, 09:44:44 pm
WHY do some people think they always know what is best for other people. Only he and his family knows what is best for him. The criteria for what is best is not always the same as what random fans think is best for any one player. Unless you are his parent, coach, mentor, close advisor OR someone that knows what is important to him in his mind then you and I nor anyone else knows what is "best" for him.

They don't really care about whats best for him, they care about it because they think his staying means more wins for the Hogs, which benefits the posters. Did they care when the transfer from Kennesaw St left early, or Dee Wagner? Nope, because they were not going to help the Hogs win games.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 23, 2017, 11:56:38 pm
They don't really care about whats best for him, they care about it because they think his staying means more wins for the Hogs, which benefits the posters. Did they care when the transfer from Kennesaw St left early, or Dee Wagner? Nope, because they were not going to help the Hogs win games.

In our defense,  Dee leaving was best for him.  The kennessaw st guy, kouassi? He transferred here and graduated. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 24, 2017, 08:08:13 am
In our defense,  Dee leaving was best for him. 


Maybe, maybe not. The point is no one was on here saying he should not leave. Why? Because no one thought he was going to help the Hogs win games. Maybe leaving would be best for Macon &/or Barford, but people here want them to stay, not for the players but for themselves because they think those two will mean more wins next year. I agree, the Hogs will be much better with one or both than without, so for that reason I hope they stay. I am not going to say I know what is best for the players though, because I do not.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 24, 2017, 10:55:18 am
BRAVO!  Well said and about time someone on here said it!  It's a shame grown arsp men are sitting around googling draft status and European League basketball to make a point about a decision a young man make because they want to live vicariously through said young man.  It's their life and their decision.  Let it go!
While you mean well with this post, this is a pretty stupid comment. You think it is sad that sports fans on a message board of their favorite team are discussing the decision a top 3 player on their favorite team is making? I received two degrees from the UA and have season tickets to every major sport at the UA, so forgive me for having a vested interest in what a kid decides that will impact the investment I have in the UA. Nobody on here is providing Macon advice on what he should or shouldn't do, they are just giving their opinion on the situation. At the end of the day we are all selfish when it comes to being fans. We hate when kids transfer, but love when they transfer to us. We want our players to get drafted high, but hate when they leave early to do it. We want a kid to make a decision that benefits our team rather than themselves. That is what fans do, and I feel if you have a problem with that it is fine, but it is really sad that a "grown arsp man" is on a message board to complain about people who do something he thinks is sad on the same message board. This message board is for discussions on topics just like this. I will never hate on a kid for doing what is best for him, but at the end of the day I personally want what is best for my team. Mike is getting paid millions to help kids make the best decision for their lives, not me. I am just a fan wanting to win a National Championship.


And if you read my posts, I have said multiple times I can see why Macon would want to leave so I am not even the ones trying to explain why it is a bad choice for him to leave. I don't think it is a bad choice.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: riccoar on April 24, 2017, 11:01:10 am
BRAVO!  Well said and about time someone on here said it!  It's a shame grown arsp men are sitting around googling draft status and European League basketball to make a point about a decision a young man make because they want to live vicariously through said young man.  It's their life and their decision.  Let it go!
Your comment is stupid.  Every fan on here would have ZERO issue with either leaving if the cards show it to be a sure bet at jumping.  History with these scenarios prove the jump has, more times than not, come up less than what was promised.  That's the crux of what fan's don't want to see happen to any kid at the UofA with next level potential.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 24, 2017, 11:43:55 am
Yea not to mention, Bobby Portis coming back for the team would have been great for the team.  People here understood, it was a good decision for him.  If Macon played for Lehigh University and I was looking at it, I'd say it's a dumb decision for him to go pro.
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Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on April 24, 2017, 11:47:40 am
Can someone sissy fight with me on the interwebZ? I am feeling left out.
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Post by: The Hogfather on April 24, 2017, 11:52:32 am
Yea not to mention, Bobby Portis coming back for the team would have been great for the team.  People here understood, it was a good decision for him.  If Macon played for Lehigh University and I was looking at it, I'd say it's a dumb decision for him to go pro.

Your comment is stupid.  Every fan on here would have ZERO issue with either leaving if the cards show it to be a sure bet at jumping.  History with these scenarios prove the jump has, more times than not, come up less than what was promised.  That's the crux of what fan's don't want to see happen to any kid at the UofA with next level potential.

Exactly.  I want Macon and Barford back because the Hogs would be a much better team next season.  I also think it would not be smart of them to leave.

I wanted Portis back because the Hogs would've been much better the next season with him there.  I thought it was the right decision for him to leave.

Qualls was iffy because he was, at best, projected to be a 2nd rounder, but at least he was projected to possibly get drafted.  I could at least understand somewhat.  I think, even before his injury, he should've come back, worked on his game, and possibly improved his draft stock.  However, I couldn't fault him completely for leaving.

If your best scenario includes making under $100k in another country, I think you'd be well served to come back, get your degree, possibly improve your options of playing professionally, hopefully play for a team that makes some noise, and enjoy your last year of college.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HoopS on April 24, 2017, 12:18:16 pm
Can someone sissy fight with me on the interwebZ? I am feeling left out.
stop complaining. You don't know what a real sissy fight looks like. And believe me, son, you don't want to know.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on April 24, 2017, 12:51:43 pm
stop complaining. You don't know what a real sissy fight looks like. And believe me, son, you don't want to know.
I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY SISSY FIGHT OPINIONS!

Rabble
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Post by: HoopS on April 24, 2017, 03:14:46 pm
I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY SISSY FIGHT OPINIONS!

Rabble
no you don't.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on April 24, 2017, 03:17:08 pm
WHY do some people think they always know what is best for other people. Only he and his family knows what is best for him. The criteria for what is best is not always the same as what random fans think is best for any one player. Unless you are his parent, coach, mentor, close advisor OR someone that knows what is important to him in his mind then you and I nor anyone else knows what is "best" for him.
spoken like a man who doesn't understand what it's like in "europe". Go watch the youtube about Marshall Henderson in Iraq. That's Marshall Henderson, too. Somebody who stayed for his senior year and was Player of the Year in the SEC and averaged like 24 ppg. He aint making diddly squat and can't leave his darn hotel because: IRAQ, and has to endure a lot of crap besides that. Do you realise a bunch of these guys even get stiffed out of their salary? They just close the team and say "sorry", then they just go and open a new club. It's crazy over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eXN3TLVzm8
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on April 24, 2017, 04:01:12 pm
spoken like a man who doesn't understand what it's like in "europe". Go watch the youtube about Marshall Henderson in Iraq. That's Marshall Henderson, too. Somebody who stayed for his senior year and was Player of the Year in the SEC and averaged like 24 ppg. He aint making diddly squat and can't leave his darn hotel because: IRAQ, and has to endure a lot of crap besides that. Do you realise a bunch of these guys even get stiffed out of their salary? They just close the team and say "sorry", then they just go and open a new club. It's crazy over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eXN3TLVzm8

That is still not the point. None of us know what is BEST for these guys. We may know the POTENTIAL drawbacks of leaving early, the pitfalls of playing in some foreign places, the grind on the road etc, but that does not mean we know what is best for them.

But lets cut to the chase, if the players maybe leaving had averaged 4 ppg and 6 minutes, no one here would be having their guts churned up over the possibility they may not come back, not would they be proclaiming how bad it will be for the players if they leave. People want them to stay because they are going to help the Hogs win games, PERIOD. I have no problem with people who feel that way, the problem is in trying to hide behind trying to act like they care for the players long term.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jabberjawls on April 24, 2017, 04:28:05 pm
While you mean well with this post, this is a pretty stupid comment. You think it is sad that sports fans on a message board of their favorite team are discussing the decision a top 3 player on their favorite team is making? I received two degrees from the UA and have season tickets to every major sport at the UA, so forgive me for having a vested interest in what a kid decides that will impact the investment I have in the UA. Nobody on here is providing Macon advice on what he should or shouldn't do, they are just giving their opinion on the situation. At the end of the day we are all selfish when it comes to being fans. We hate when kids transfer, but love when they transfer to us. We want our players to get drafted high, but hate when they leave early to do it. We want a kid to make a decision that benefits our team rather than themselves. That is what fans do, and I feel if you have a problem with that it is fine, but it is really sad that a "grown arsp man" is on a message board to complain about people who do something he thinks is sad on the same message board. This message board is for discussions on topics just like this. I will never hate on a kid for doing what is best for him, but at the end of the day I personally want what is best for my team. Mike is getting paid millions to help kids make the best decision for their lives, not me. I am just a fan wanting to win a National Championship.


And if you read my posts, I have said multiple times I can see why Macon would want to leave so I am not even the ones trying to explain why it is a bad choice for him to leave. I don't think it is a bad choice.
Sounds like you need a life.  All of you do.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Inhogswetrust on April 24, 2017, 05:12:39 pm
I have the right to question anyone's choices. If not arrest me

Now that doesn't mean I have the right to prevent them from making there choice. But I can question anything I want

It's always easy to question others when one hasn't walked in their shoes. That also makes it dumb to do so.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Inhogswetrust on April 24, 2017, 05:22:31 pm
spoken like a man who doesn't understand what it's like in "europe". Go watch the youtube about Marshall Henderson in Iraq. That's Marshall Henderson, too. Somebody who stayed for his senior year and was Player of the Year in the SEC and averaged like 24 ppg. He aint making diddly squat and can't leave his darn hotel because: IRAQ, and has to endure a lot of crap besides that. Do you realise a bunch of these guys even get stiffed out of their salary? They just close the team and say "sorry", then they just go and open a new club. It's crazy over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eXN3TLVzm8

You are focusing on basketball.................Not everyone does that. That being said SEVERAL former Hogs and others around the world go play elsewhere and do just fine. Besides IF Henderson didn't like playing so much and doing so somewhere you think is not "good" then he can go play elsewhere OR go out and get a different career. People right here in the good old USA have been known to get stiffed out of their pay as well. Not all pro athletes in the good oldUSA get paid big bucks either.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on April 24, 2017, 05:23:03 pm
It's always easy to question others when one hasn't walked in their shoes. That also makes it dumb to do so.

Yet, it's taught in Business school to measure the opportunity costs of situations. Stupid Professors
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Post by: Inhogswetrust on April 24, 2017, 05:25:06 pm
Yet, it's taught in Business school to measure the opportunity costs of situations. Stupid Professors

That's the one I graduated from. And yes some Professors are stupid.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on April 24, 2017, 06:53:35 pm
You are focusing on basketball.................Not everyone does that. That being said SEVERAL former Hogs and others around the world go play elsewhere and do just fine. Besides IF Henderson didn't like playing so much and doing so somewhere you think is not "good" then he can go play elsewhere OR go out and get a different career. People right here in the good old USA have been known to get stiffed out of their pay as well. Not all pro athletes in the good oldUSA get paid big bucks either.
True that Beverly did it. I actually had faith he'd make the league someday. He played defense and was a helluva rebounder for his size. Tenacious. And I like DM, too. I think if he worked really hard as a PG he'd have a chance. As a 2, not so much.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on April 24, 2017, 07:59:54 pm
:puke:
How, then, does it not happen to other schools like UNC? Gonzaga? South Carolina? etc.
Because ESPN hates us.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on April 25, 2017, 12:07:58 am
Has anyone mentioned Weems? If I remember correctly he did pretty well over in Russia. Made some good contracts was even in a commercial. I would play in Russia for 500$ a week just for the women.
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Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on April 25, 2017, 12:46:43 am
Has anyone mentioned Weems? If I remember correctly he did pretty well over in Russia. Made some good contracts was even in a commercial. I would play in Russia for 500$ a week just for the women.
They charge $500 an hour
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Post by: Hawg Red on April 25, 2017, 07:19:45 am
Has anyone mentioned Weems? If I remember correctly he did pretty well over in Russia. Made some good contracts was even in a commercial. I would play in Russia for 500$ a week just for the women.

Weems was drafted and played in the NBA before going overseas. That's a huge deal and afforded him the ability to play for the very top organizations in the Euroleague and be one of the top 5 paid players outside of the NBA. Macon could get there, but leaving now really does not help him do that. It just doesn't. Could still get there, of course, but if he wants to maximize his professional prospects going into the next level, a good senior season is what he needs. Leave now, and you don't get the opportunity to showcase not only to the NBA scouts, but mainly the international scouts, at the Portsmouth Invitational. Many assume that showcase for seniors is for players to lock down combine invites, but its biggest purpose is for international scouts to get a look at the top seniors. There are just so many more pros for a guy like Macon to come back. And I'm a guy that is pro-get-paid-when-you-can. I just like to see guys be smart about it. I don't care if he doesn't like school. He's put up with school + ball for years now. He can't do one more season, the most important season of his amateur career?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 25, 2017, 08:36:46 am
Sounds like you need a life.  All of you do.
Says the person who is on here, too. Yeah, I am such a loser because I am a fan of the Razorbacks.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on April 25, 2017, 10:32:02 am
They charge $500 an hour

So an hour a week huh? It's get pretty cold in Russia but I guess I could be homeless.
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Post by: hawginbigd1 on April 25, 2017, 10:57:48 am
Weems was drafted and played in the NBA before going overseas. That's a huge deal and afforded him the ability to play for the very top organizations in the Euroleague and be one of the top 5 paid players outside of the NBA. Macon could get there, but leaving now really does not help him do that. It just doesn't. Could still get there, of course, but if he wants to maximize his professional prospects going into the next level, a good senior season is what he needs. Leave now, and you don't get the opportunity to showcase not only to the NBA scouts, but mainly the international scouts, at the Portsmouth Invitational. Many assume that showcase for seniors is for players to lock down combine invites, but its biggest purpose is for international scouts to get a look at the top seniors. There are just so many more pros for a guy like Macon to come back. And I'm a guy that is pro-get-paid-when-you-can. I just like to see guys be smart about it. I don't care if he doesn't like school. He's put up with school + ball for years now. He can't do one more season, the most important season of his amateur career?
Nailed it!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 25, 2017, 11:00:46 am
No, the way you think is stupid!  I don't care how many degrees you have from UA, your degrees have nothing to do with athletes personal lives.  You are not invested in individual athletes lives.  You invested in your own life.  And yes, it is sad for a grown arsp man to be on a sports message board criticizing a young man for making a decision that in no way affect their life.  Maybe he wants to go to a European League.  Maybe he hates college.  We don't know as it doesn't matter because it's his choice and his alone and your opinion is meaningless to him.  So tell me again why a grown arsp man is criticizing a decision that in NO way affects him other than for entertainment purposes?  Get a life dude!
Where did I criticize anyone? I am one of the few who have said I think him leaving makes sense. However, you saying people looking up mock drafts makes them losers is as dumb as it gets. I AM A FAN SO THAT IS WHAT FANS DO. Get off your high horse. His decision doesn't have any impact on my personal life so I won't lose sleep over it, however I am not on here to talk about my personal life. I am on here to talk about my favorite sports team and how his decision impacts my team. I am sorry you don't understand that. Get off your soap box and go get on pinterest if you don't like what is talked about on here.

It blows my mind that people get on message boards to tell people to get a life when they are on the same message board as everyone else they are criticizing.
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Post by: riccoar on April 25, 2017, 11:47:58 am
Again, nobody is whining because a player leaves early and they want them on the squad next year.  Their life, their choice.  It's simple.  Both situations improve financially with returning.  The only thing people will be upset by is seeing another kid become a Thurman or Qualls and having a much harder struggle with their future.  I want to see every player that plays on the hardwoods for Arkansas, with next level talent, to end up like Joe Johnson, Bobby Portis making bank.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 25, 2017, 11:49:37 am
No high horses here my friend.  I'm on this message board because I find the content and opinions to be so hilarious.  I love sports and the Hogs specifically but I don't make suggestions concerning a decision a young makes unless it's a bad pass.  Whether Macon and/or Barford stay or leave will have zero effect on my viewing pleasure when watching the Hogs.  I mean really?  This board will absolutely explode after the 18 class arrive because most of those kids are going to leave early.  We complain about not getting top recruits and when we get them we complain because they leave early.  Ever heard of "darned if you do, darned if you don't?"  I guess some fans just can't be satisfied and prefer whining.  I'm pretty sure CMA isn't losing sleep over either or both of them leaving.  He is more than likely planning at this very moment how to fill the void left.  That's what professionals do, not sit around giving opinions about what's best for someone else.  I'm all about young men chasing dreams because I've chased mine.  Did it always work out?  No, but the experience benefited me.  At what point does the young man and HIS life trump an athletic team?  It's his life, let him live it because nobody on this board has a chrystal ball so nobody knows if his decision is good or bad.  Nobody knows if his decision is an uninformed one because none of us know what evaluation criteria he's using to make his decision.  I'm just shocked at all the hand wringing.  The Hogs will be ok, the future is bright with or without him.  The program is fine and is set for years to come.  Have you seen the 15U AAU team?  Wow!  Trust me, we are on the precipice of seeing a revolving door of players leaving early but help will be on the way from now to the foreseeable future!  It's all good my friend!  Leave or stay, the program is on an upward trajectory for the first time in 20 years and that is my focus and what excites me!
First off, we won't make the NCAAT next year if Macon leaves. May not even make it if he stays. You act like we are some juggernaut program that can afford to have 4-5 starters leave every year. Also, the bolded part I said in my first post addressing you. It is what fans do unfortunately.

Second off, you comparing what Mike does to what a fan does is ignorant. This is his job. Him losing sleep or not is irrelevant to this conversation.

Also, you act as if everything fans say on this board are going to directly influence Macon. I highly doubt he reads this, and if he does and let's any of it impact his decision than that is his own fault. This is a place for discussing Razorback topics, and that is exactly what has been done. How is any of what is being said on here preventing him from "living his life" as you say we should let him do? Nobody on here hopes Macon fails. I want all the best for him, and as I have explained 100 times I think him leaving makes sense. You say professionals don't sit around giving opinions on what others should do, so luckily nobody on here is a college basketball coach...

Lastly, if you think his decision will have zero impact on your "viewing pleasure" while watching the Hogs, then I am not sure what kind of fan you are. Me personally, I enjoy watching good teams, and do not enjoy watching bad teams. We would have a potential to win 22-24 games next year with Macon, that sounds fun. Without Macon, we probably win fewer than 20. I don't think that will be near as fun to watch as a 22-24 win season, but that is just me.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on April 25, 2017, 12:46:50 pm
All I can say is that you have been a very miserable fan the last few years if your criteria for viewing is to only enjoy "good" teams.  As far as the word "ignorant," maybe that best describes your school over athlete attitude.  Maybe you don't get out much or you haven't been paying attention but young men leave programs early across the country and not just elite programs.  Some struggle for a year and reload.  its the nature of CBB because it's not about school pride to young men any more.  It's about satisfying a requirement enacted by the NBA (1 year in college).  As far as what kind of fan I am, I will view 18-12.  I will enjoy the 18 wins while feeling kicked in the gut with the 12 loses.  With each lose I will recover, smile, and just bask in joy knowing that '18 class is on it's way and the coffers are loaded up for years to come.  AND what makes you think 18-12 or 18-13 won't get us in the tourney?  What was Vandy's record again?  Along with the performance of SEC schools in the Dance, I'd say it's a safe bet 18-12 WILL get in the tourney.  So, you can play chicken little all you want but the situation is no way as dire as you and others make it if the young man leaves.
Again, your comments directed towards me lecturing on why it is ok for a player to leave early is for nothing. I have stated numerous times I think it makes sense for him to leave. Literally the only comment of yours I took issue with was saying grown men looking up mock drafts was sad and that we wanted to live vicariously through these athletes.


This is my last post in this topic, so you can have the last word. The fact that you think it is a safe bet that 18-12 will get us in the NCAAT tells me all I need to know about how much you pay attention to college basketball. Nothing about 18-12 is safe. Lunardi isn't 100%, and it is too early to tell, but he has us as the play-in game WITH Macon. It really isn't unreasonable to think we completely miss it without him.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PorkRinds on April 25, 2017, 01:18:24 pm
First off, we won't make the NCAAT next year if Macon leaves. May not even make it if he stays. You act like we are some juggernaut program that can afford to have 4-5 starters leave every year. Also, the bolded part I said in my first post addressing you. It is what fans do unfortunately.

Second off, you comparing what Mike does to what a fan does is ignorant. This is his job. Him losing sleep or not is irrelevant to this conversation.

Also, you act as if everything fans say on this board are going to directly influence Macon. I highly doubt he reads this, and if he does and let's any of it impact his decision than that is his own fault. This is a place for discussing Razorback topics, and that is exactly what has been done. How is any of what is being said on here preventing him from "living his life" as you say we should let him do? Nobody on here hopes Macon fails. I want all the best for him, and as I have explained 100 times I think him leaving makes sense. You say professionals don't sit around giving opinions on what others should do, so luckily nobody on here is a college basketball coach...

Lastly, if you think his decision will have zero impact on your "viewing pleasure" while watching the Hogs, then I am not sure what kind of fan you are. Me personally, I enjoy watching good teams, and do not enjoy watching bad teams. We would have a potential to win 22-24 games next year with Macon, that sounds fun. Without Macon, we probably win fewer than 20. I don't think that will be near as fun to watch as a 22-24 win season, but that is just me.

IMO it's completely asinine to say losing Macon means no tournament. We may or may not make it, but you're JMSU when you say it hinges on Macon's decision.
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Post by: jry04 on April 25, 2017, 01:59:14 pm
IMO it's completely asinine to say losing Macon means no tournament. We may or may not make it, but you're JMSU when you say it hinges on Macon's decision.
It is my opinion. I don't think it necessarily hinges because I said we could miss it even with him. However, if we lose Macon I think it definitely means we miss the NCAAT.

Unless we have some instant impact recruit waiting in the wings to commit, or our current players exceed expectations in their development, it really isn't going out on a limb to say we won't make it without Macon.

We lose Hannahs, Watkins, and Moses already. Losing Macon means we lose 4 of our top 5 players. We can agree to disagree, but it is a very homer take to call someone asinine for saying no Macon=no NCAAT when we are already losing what we are losing. There are not too many teams who can record from losing 4 of their top 5 players with zero 5* currently on their roster, and 0 5* in their incoming recruiting class.

Good thing we play the games for a reason and not on paper, though. I guess I lied previously, this is my last post. No point in going round and round. We will see in a year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HogsonHicks on April 25, 2017, 04:57:19 pm
Macon got exactly what he wanted with the tweet that launched this thread...attention.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Possible Oatmeal on April 25, 2017, 05:06:25 pm
I could go the rest of my life without hearing the stupid phrase "grown *** man" again.  I cringe every time.
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Post by: PorkRinds on April 25, 2017, 05:13:47 pm
I could go the rest of my life without hearing the stupid phrase "grown *** man" again.  I cringe every time.

Same.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 25, 2017, 09:06:01 pm
Anyone have an ESPN insider account?

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/857040165168062465
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on April 26, 2017, 02:36:12 am
It is my opinion. I don't think it necessarily hinges because I said we could miss it even with him. However, if we lose Macon I think it definitely means we miss the NCAAT.

Unless we have some instant impact recruit waiting in the wings to commit, or our current players exceed expectations in their development, it really isn't going out on a limb to say we won't make it without Macon.

Your use of definitely is what is dumb.

We are not going to be anything like we were last season. We aren't replacing the guys who left. We are moving on from them.

If Macon comes back, he and Barford will no longer be our tallest perimeter players in the guard rotation.  We will have 2 guys who can legitimately play the 3 after not having ANYONE there this past season. The roster becomes much more athletic even at the 5 which is saying a lot given how athletic Mo was.

We have 5 guys coming back that started at least once not counting TT or Macon. Young guys will take steps forward over the summer just like they have the last 5 decades I have been watching basketball.

Next season was going to be a departure from this season's roster with or without Macon. We will be better if he comes back but we aren't falling off the edge if he doesn't.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on April 26, 2017, 10:08:40 am
Next season was going to be a departure from this season's roster with or without Macon. We will be better if he comes back but we aren't falling off the edge if he doesn't.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on April 26, 2017, 10:46:25 am
Macon got exactly what he wanted with the tweet that launched this thread...attention.

This 100 times over!
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Youngsta71701 on April 26, 2017, 01:18:33 pm

Macon has half of this guys game down as far as the no look passes in traffic and shooting threes off the bounce and off balance.  If he can just get some of the step back game and better handles he's there...
There is only one problem with this. There is a big difference between 6'3 shooting guard and 6'5 shooting guard. Trust me those two inches make a big difference in the NBA.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Youngsta71701 on April 26, 2017, 01:41:42 pm
Anyone have an ESPN insider account?

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/857040165168062465
30 NBA teams, 2 rounds of drafting, and 137 underclassmen in the draft. I'm not the smartest man in the world but those numbers don't add up for at least 77 of those kids. Not to mention I'm pretty sure a few seniors and a few players from overseas will be drafted.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 26, 2017, 01:44:30 pm
30 NBA teams, 2 rounds of drafting, and 137 underclassmen in the draft. I'm not the smartest man in the world but those numbers don't add up for at least 77 of those kids. Not to mention I'm pretty sure a few seniors and a few players from overseas will be drafted.
agreed...was hoping someone with an insider account would fill us in on what was said about Macon and Barford.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on April 26, 2017, 02:21:28 pm
There is only one problem with this. There is a big difference between 6'3 shooting guard and 6'5 shooting guard. Trust me those two inches make a big difference.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on April 26, 2017, 02:23:46 pm
30 NBA teams, 2 rounds of drafting, and 137 underclassmen in the draft. I'm not the smartest man in the world but those numbers don't add up for at least 77 of those kids. Not to mention I'm pretty sure a few seniors and a few players from overseas will be drafted.

Not everyone on that list expects to get drafted.  With the rule change a few years back, a lot of kids put their name in knowing full well they won't get drafted, they do so to get feedback on what aspects of their game they need to work on.  But yes, the numbers are not in any of their favor.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on April 26, 2017, 02:33:43 pm
30 NBA teams, 2 rounds of drafting, and 137 underclassmen in the draft. I'm not the smartest man in the world but those numbers don't add up for at least 77 of those kids. Not to mention I'm pretty sure a few seniors and a few players from overseas will be drafted.

Hold off until the deadline has passed and everyone just looking for feedback has gotten out before we talk about there being a problem.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on April 26, 2017, 02:34:36 pm
Sounds like you need a life.  All of you do.
They should rename the thread to this ^
I'll be glad when he finally decides so hogville can stop definitively making the decision for him
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogdomer on April 26, 2017, 03:16:23 pm
agreed...was hoping someone with an insider account would fill us in on what was said about Macon and Barford.

Article says both will likely go undrafted.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Youngsta71701 on April 26, 2017, 03:18:39 pm
Hold off until the deadline has passed and everyone just looking for feedback has gotten out before we talk about there being a problem.
I didn't say there was a problem. I know exactly what's going on but the numbers are still crazy. The sad part is that some of these kids really do believe they will be drafted.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Youngsta71701 on April 26, 2017, 03:22:38 pm
Macon got exactly what he wanted with the tweet that launched this thread...attention.
We see ya Daryl Macon Buckets. We know you're a very important part to the success of this team. ;)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on April 26, 2017, 03:35:29 pm
Article says both will likely go undrafted.
Thank you.  I expected that but wanted a non-Razorback point of view.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: reddawg213 on April 26, 2017, 08:04:54 pm
Article says both will likely go undrafted.

Honestly, I think Macon is gone regardless. With people reporting he hasn't even been going to class, chances are he might not even be eligible next year. I hope that isn't true, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on April 26, 2017, 08:09:10 pm
Honestly, I think Macon is gone regardless. With people reporting he hasn't even been going to class, chances are he might not even be eligible next year. I hope that isn't true, but I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe, but then why not go ahead and sign with an agent?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on April 26, 2017, 08:26:37 pm
The not "going to class" isn't correct in sum total.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogz87 on April 26, 2017, 08:31:58 pm
There is only one problem with this. There is a big difference between 6'3 shooting guard and 6'5 shooting guard. Trust me those two inches make a big difference in the NBA.
C.J. McCollum is 6'3".

In fact, that's his in-shoes height.  At the 2013 combine, he was measured just a hair over 6'2" w/o shoes and a hair over 6'3" with shoes.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: latrops on April 26, 2017, 08:50:15 pm
Not everyone on that list expects to get drafted.  With the rule change a few years back, a lot of kids put their name in knowing full well they won't get drafted, they do so to get feedback on what aspects of their game they need to work on.  But yes, the numbers are not in any of their favor.

This is repeated often, and I suppose it is even mostly true.  That said, I don't think "what they need to work on" is a mystery that only NBA scouts can figure out.  Is the feedback they get really that useful?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on April 26, 2017, 09:14:02 pm
C.J. McCollum is 6'3".

In fact, that's his in-shoes height.  At the 2013 combine, he was measured just a hair over 6'2" w/o shoes and a hair over 6'3" with shoes.

Thank you
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on May 03, 2017, 03:46:20 pm
Is it just me, or do the Hogs have the worst luck/most drama regarding basketball prospect leaving early that end up not making it? Friggin ridiculous and agonizing. I wish they'd change the rule to 3 years like the rest of the sports already!  :puke:
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on May 03, 2017, 03:48:53 pm
Is it just me, or do the Hogs have the worst luck/most drama regarding basketball prospect leaving early that end up not making it? Friggin ridiculous and agonizing. I wish they'd change the rule to 3 years like the rest of the sports already!  :puke:

Talk to the NBA, it is their rule. Baseball is not auto 3 yrs, you can go pro right out of HS. IT is only 3 years if you choose to go college.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Rock City Razorback on May 03, 2017, 03:58:02 pm
Talk to the NBA, it is their rule. Baseball is not auto 3 yrs, you can go pro right out of HS. IT is only 3 years if you choose to go college.

It's such a stupid rule! It doesn't benefit anyone except for the NCAA making $$$ because there's high profile guys that are already good enough that get televised. And regarding baseball, I know, but obviously these guys already are in college. Still, between Qualls, the Monk situation and now Macon, just feels like we're cursed.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The_Iceman on May 03, 2017, 04:34:47 pm
It's such a stupid rule! It doesn't benefit anyone except for the NCAA making $$$ because there's high profile guys that are already good enough that get televised. And regarding baseball, I know, but obviously these guys already are in college. Still, between Qualls, the Monk situation and now Macon, just feels like we're cursed.

The NBA is the one that wanted the one and done rule. Too hard to evaluate players in high school. Would rather scout in college arenas and against college competition.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on May 03, 2017, 04:49:52 pm
It's such a stupid rule! It doesn't benefit anyone except for the NCAA making $$$ because there's high profile guys that are already good enough that get televised. And regarding baseball, I know, but obviously these guys already are in college. Still, between Qualls, the Monk situation and now Macon, just feels like we're cursed.

Again, the ncaa is going to make their $$$$ regardless. The NBAPA wanted the rule because for every HS kid that gets drafted it was knocking a veteran off the roster.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HamSammich on May 03, 2017, 07:31:37 pm
Not true.  One and done has nothing to do with where scouts go to evaluate talent.  The rule is a result of the NBA owners and Players Association declaring that players must be 19 and one year removed from HS.  The rule was challenged in court but upheld.

fake news post....  hogsanity and iceman are correct.... use google and see the quotes from the players association.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: reddawg213 on May 03, 2017, 08:49:10 pm
11 mins ago . . . . Hmmm . . . . . . is an announcement forthcoming???


https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/859944790439464963
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on May 03, 2017, 08:56:12 pm
11 mins ago . . . . Hmmm . . . . . . is an announcement forthcoming???


https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/859944790439464963

Either way an announcement is coming
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 03, 2017, 09:00:18 pm
11 mins ago . . . . Hmmm . . . . . . is an announcement forthcoming???


https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/859944790439464963

If leaving early is where his heart is at he should go pro. Having someone on the team that really doesn't want to be there will eventually hurt team chemistry. I think he should leave. Maybe he can play with BJ Young in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on May 03, 2017, 10:08:57 pm
If leaving early is where his heart is at he should go pro. Having someone on the team that really doesn't want to be there will eventually hurt team chemistry. I think he should leave. Maybe he can play with BJ Young in Hong Kong.

That's true, but honestly I would take a bad attitude guy that's our best shooter lol
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Birminghog on May 03, 2017, 10:32:56 pm
11 mins ago . . . . Hmmm . . . . . . is an announcement forthcoming???


https://twitter.com/YoD4__/status/859944790439464963

Maybe this should be his theme song. Note: "You have helped me to believe in myself".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdbPI2eHRc
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on May 03, 2017, 10:39:10 pm
Believing in himself could mean he's coming back to prove he deserves a shot in the NBA. I think leaving or coming back does not affect if he gets a chance overseas. Only changes the starting money.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: colbs on May 03, 2017, 10:48:46 pm
Was he at the Hogspys tonight?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HardingHog on May 03, 2017, 11:51:28 pm
Was he at the Hogspys tonight?

I'm not sure. I saw a photo posted by Manny and Macon wasn't in it. There's 9 guys in the picture
No Moses, Macon, Thomas, Dusty or Beard
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 04, 2017, 06:41:14 am
That's true, but honestly I would take a bad attitude guy that's our best shooter lol

I rather have a great chemistry on the team and no me guys I'm the locker room. If Daryl feels that strong about leaving he should. You can't be productive in a marriage with someone that wants a divorce. Moses Kingsley struggled early in the season partly because of the NBA talk. This team has a lot of time to adjust and form a identity without Macon.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 04, 2017, 07:11:39 am
Having one and dones that have zero chance of getting drafted is not a good way to build a solid core.
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Post by: Iwastherein1969 on May 04, 2017, 07:49:22 am
Having one and dones that have zero chance of getting drafted is not a good way to build a solid core.
I like Macon, but shooters in the NBA are a dime a dozen...if you are a shooter you almost can never miss....those 2 for 8 nights will get you cut quicker than a mongrel dog with his nuts who finds himself at the local dog shelter....Macon needs to come back one more year, raise his value, get drafted in the 2nd round and if that doesn't happen, believe me, all the foreign professional basketball leagues are going nowhere...Macon can ALWAYS go over there...the question is this, is Macon willing to wait a year at a legit shot to make the NBA or is he so ready for a paycheck that he's willing to play for the Tel Aviv Menschs for the rest of his basketball career ?
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Post by: riccoar on May 04, 2017, 08:00:00 am
If it's in his heart to go, then he needs to go.  I simply have zero clue what bargaining power a player has for an overseas squad when you are not even invited to the combine and not projected to be drafted by the NBA.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 08:16:39 am
Overseas players can make good money and have a great career.  If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative.  Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money.  More money than struggling in the D League.
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Post by: azhog10 on May 04, 2017, 08:23:23 am
Overseas players can make good money and have a great career.  If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative.  Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money.  More money than struggling in the D League.
Define good money. The average player salary overseas is not better than the D League salary.
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Post by: Hawg Red on May 04, 2017, 08:43:36 am
Overseas players can make good money and have a great career.  If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative.  Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money.  More money than struggling in the D League.

They can also make crappy money and have horrible careers.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 08:55:25 am
Overseas players can make good money and have a great career.  If a player knows that the NBA is not in the picture, then Europe is a good alternative.  Many players from the US go and have great careers, great lives and make great money.  More money than struggling in the D League.

Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable).  Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts.  It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.
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Post by: FineAsSwine on May 04, 2017, 09:00:08 am
They can also make crappy money and have horrible careers.

Mizzouman would love to see him go. Gives Missouri a better chance at getting a leg up on us.
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Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 04, 2017, 09:39:50 am
Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable).  Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts.  It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.

Or BJ Young posting on Instagram playing in Hong Kong.
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Post by: jry04 on May 04, 2017, 09:59:31 am
Was he at the Hogspys tonight?
He was not, but not all players were. I do not Macon is still practicing with the team and going to class, which is a good sign.


Barford said at the Hogspys last night with a big grin that he knows everyone is anxious to hear what he is going to do, and he will have an announcement real soon. He said he is just enjoying the process and learning everything he can. I am not worried about him leaving, though.
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Post by: Rock City Razorback on May 04, 2017, 10:08:34 am
Believing in himself could mean he's coming back to prove he deserves a shot in the NBA. I think leaving or coming back does not affect if he gets a chance overseas. Only changes the starting money.

But knowing how he acts (at least publicly), it likely means that he believes he can go pro, maybe get a look on a summer team (although doubtful) and maybe play in D League or play well enough to get noticed overseas. The thing is, you'll have more of a spotlight on you playing on TV every game in the NCAA, which can turn into a chance to actually workout for NBA teams, even if he doesn't get drafted. He just seems so intent on being a one and done...
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 10:12:22 am
Everyone assumes you just go straight to the high paying, guaranteed paycheck leagues over in some stable European country (side note---Europe has been becoming increasingly less stable).  Then, you see a video about Marshall Henderson playing in [CENSORED] IRAQ for peanuts.  It would not be smart for Macon and/or Barford to leave before their Senior year.
No one on this board knows their situation.

What I'm referring to is that if these two, again I don't know the situation, have no intentions on graduating in the near future and need some money, then Europe IS a good option.  They will get paid a lot more than any new college graduate would be getting paid.  Last figures I saw was that the bottom rung player would get about $70k per year.  But depending on where they would end up, could be over $100k.  Now, depending on their situation, that might be hard to pass up.

In general, yes, I would agree that kids should stay and get their degrees.  But, I'm not in their shoes.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 10:14:22 am
Define good money. The average player salary overseas is not better than the D League salary.
Much better.  D League gets nothing.  Maybe $30k or so.  Euro players, depending on the league, start between $70-$100k.  At least that's what some Mizzou players tell that are over there now.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 10:15:21 am
They can also make crappy money and have horrible careers.
Players who stay can encounter the same.  There's no guarantees in life.  You take what you can when you can.  Of course, depends on the individual situation.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 10:16:39 am
Mizzouman would love to see him go. Gives Missouri a better chance at getting a leg up on us.
Just the opposite.  Would love to see players stay.  But again, I'm not in their shoes.  Just spelling out the fact that players have options.  They need to make the best decision for them.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 10:17:58 am
No one on this board knows their situation.

I don't need to know his situation.  I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed.  He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team.  Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes.  Just don't quit now.  Would not be smart.
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Post by: FineAsSwine on May 04, 2017, 10:21:33 am
Just the opposite.  Would love to see players stay.  But again, I'm not in their shoes.  Just spelling out the fact that players have options.  They need to make the best decision for them.

Four consecutive posts. Is this the digital equivalent of a cluster bomb or a drive-by maybe? Not sure how to retaliate, I would go to the Mizzou board but there's no one there.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 10:22:54 am
I don't need to know his situation.  I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed.  He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team.  Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes.  Just don't quit now.  Would not be smart.
Good thing you're not living their lives for them.
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Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on May 04, 2017, 10:27:53 am
I don't need to know his situation.  I don't care if he has 4 kids he needs to feed.  He should stay and sacrifice for one more year for the chance to possibly get drafted and, at the very least, increase his value to an overseas team.  Use the grants, take a loan, whatever it takes.  Just don't quit now.  Would not be smart.

A lot of people say this is just selfish fan talk.  But unless he has a very good chance to go the the NBA it is in reality what is best for him in the long run.  If he can just get a degree, any degree he will be better off whenever his playing career is over.  And yes you can always go back, but that is easier said than done.  Many guys that plan to go back never do.  Some only much later in life after realizing they need it for better opportunities. 

If you are going to make high 6 or 7 figures future value says the smart move is to take it now, if you are going to make 5 figures, future value says you will be better off with a degree in hand.  Nothing is guaranteed.  A degree does not guarantee a better long term QOL but it greatly increases your chances.

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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 10:34:30 am
No one on this board knows their situation.

What I'm referring to is that if these two, again I don't know the situation, have no intentions on graduating in the near future and need some money, then Europe IS a good option.  They will get paid a lot more than any new college graduate would be getting paid.  Last figures I saw was that the bottom rung player would get about $70k per year.  But depending on where they would end up, could be over $100k.  Now, depending on their situation, that might be hard to pass up.

In general, yes, I would agree that kids should stay and get their degrees.  But, I'm not in their shoes.

Again, you're assuming that he'll be able to just go straight to a league where the minimum is $70k and he'll get paid every week.  That's just not the case in a lot of situations, as I pointed out with Marshall Henderson.  The MVP got a vacuum cleaner or some shiz as his prize.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 10:37:47 am
A lot of people say this is just selfish fan talk.  But unless he has a very good chance to go the the NBA it is in reality what is best for him in the long run.  If he can just get a degree, any degree he will be better off whenever his playing career is over.  And yes you can always go back, but that is easier said than done.  Many guys that plan to go back never do.  Some only much later in life after realizing they need it for better opportunities. 

If you are going to make high 6 or 7 figures future value says the smart move is to take it now, if you are going to make 5 figures, future value says you will be better off with a degree in hand.  Nothing is guaranteed.  A degree does not guarantee a better long term QOL but it greatly increases your chances.



I honestly am not thinking at all about Arkansas when I say it would be really dumb for Macon to leave before playing his senior year.  I'm talking about it from his perspective.

OF COURSE I want him back to help the team be better.  However, when I am discussing this situation, it has nothing to do with the team.
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Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 04, 2017, 10:41:43 am
Much better.  D League gets nothing.  Maybe $30k or so.  Euro players, depending on the league, start between $70-$100k.  At least that's what some Mizzou players tell that are over there now.

We are assuming that they make a high level Euro league roster. I follow former Razorbacks that are playing overseas and there are not many playing in the high level Euro league.

Sonny Weems was playing for Maccabi Tel Aviv
Coty Clarke is playing for a team in Russia in the best international league.

There is a opportunity to play overseas but to play at the highest level in Europe is still highly competitive.
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Post by: FineAsSwine on May 04, 2017, 10:51:15 am
We are assuming that they make a high level Euro league roster. I follow former Razorbacks that are playing overseas and there are not many playing in the high level Euro league.

Sonny Weems was playing for Maccabi Tel Aviv
Coty Clarke is playing for a team in Russia in the best international league.

There is a opportunity to play overseas but to play at the highest level in Europe is still highly competitive.

I think Macon can play at that level. If Macon thinks the same, he's probably gone.
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Post by: hogsanity on May 04, 2017, 10:54:45 am

I honestly am not thinking at all about Arkansas when I say it would be really dumb for Macon to leave before playing his senior year.  I'm talking about it from his perspective.



So you are saying he is dumb to be looking at leaving. Nice, real nice.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 11:02:13 am
Again, you're assuming that he'll be able to just go straight to a league where the minimum is $70k and he'll get paid every week.  That's just not the case in a lot of situations, as I pointed out with Marshall Henderson.  The MVP got a vacuum cleaner or some shiz as his prize.
Again, I don't know the situation.  But you're also assuming that he would get drafted or improve his euro situation. 

Nothing is guaranteed.  They need to take all this into consideration and decide for themselves.  Everyone has a different situation.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 11:05:58 am
We are assuming that they make a high level Euro league roster. I follow former Razorbacks that are playing overseas and there are not many playing in the high level Euro league.

Sonny Weems was playing for Maccabi Tel Aviv
Coty Clarke is playing for a team in Russia in the best international league.

There is a opportunity to play overseas but to play at the highest level in Europe is still highly competitive.
Again, depends on the player.  But, if they cannot secure something overseas, then they should come back.  But, I would have to think that they would all their ducks in a row before they make a decision.
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Post by: PonderinHog on May 04, 2017, 11:06:04 am
Again, I don't know the situation.  But you're also assuming that he would get drafted or improve his euro situation. 

Nothing is guaranteed.  They need to take all this into consideration and decide for themselves.  Everyone has a different situation.
Stop trying to undermine our basketball program, oh you of ulterior motives!   >:(
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Post by: Hawg Red on May 04, 2017, 11:08:23 am
Players who stay can encounter the same.  There's no guarantees in life.  You take what you can when you can.  Of course, depends on the individual situation.

Exactly. But you forfeit the ability to improve your standing for the pro ranks when you leave early. Macon can have a pretty good senior year. That's a big deal and you don't get that back when you leave. He still has another chance to get drafted by the NBA. Isaiah Cousins, Abdel Nader, Joel Bolomboy, Michael Gbinije, Anthony Brown, Josh Richardson, and Cady Lalanne are examples of players that many would have not considered possible draft picks that were selected after their senior seasons. Macon is not being presented with an opportunity that won't be there if he comes back for his senior season. You aren't really trying to insinuate that, are you? Surely not.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 11:18:59 am
So you are saying he is dumb to be looking at leaving. Nice, real nice.

I know you're just like to stir pots, but I'm going to answer anyway.  I'm saying it would be a dumb decision to leave.  Smart people make dumb decisions from time-to-time.  This one would just likely have a negative effect on his life for possibly years to come, if not for the rest of his life.
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Post by: hogsanity on May 04, 2017, 11:48:49 am
I know you're just like to stir pots, but I'm going to answer anyway.  I'm saying it would be a dumb decision to leave.  Smart people make dumb decisions from time-to-time.  This one would just likely have a negative effect on his life for possibly years to come, if not for the rest of his life.

This is the issue I have had this entire thread, YOU THINK it would be a dumb decision to leave, but there is no proof that will be the reality of it. I don't think it would be dumb, IF his goal is to play pro ball somewhere and he thinks going now is better for him than playing another year of college ball.

From a pro standpoint he is always going to be a bit of a tweener, not a true PG, not quite big enough to be a 2. Staying in school another year is not going to change that. Our system does not use a featured PG, and it is doubtful he grows 2 or 3 inches.  All another year in school, from a bball standpoint,does is have him play 30+ more games plus practice where he could be injured, and where another entire crop of players becomes eligible tog o play pro somewhere.

Now, from a education perspective, assuming he would finish his degree in another school year, yea coming back is probably the better idea. Although as Reid just showed, guys can come back an finish up later.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 11:57:30 am
This is the issue I have had this entire thread, YOU THINK it would be a dumb decision to leave, but there is no proof that will be the reality of it. I don't think it would be dumb, IF his goal is to play pro ball somewhere and he thinks going now is better for him than playing another year of college ball.

From a pro standpoint he is always going to be a bit of a tweener, not a true PG, not quite big enough to be a 2. Staying in school another year is not going to change that. Our system does not use a featured PG, and it is doubtful he grows 2 or 3 inches.  All another year in school, from a bball standpoint,does is have him play 30+ more games plus practice where he could be injured, and where another entire crop of players becomes eligible tog o play pro somewhere.

Now, from a education perspective, assuming he would finish his degree in another school year, yea coming back is probably the better idea. Although as Reid just showed, guys can come back an finish up later.

That's the whole point of message boards, dumbass.  To share information AND OPINIONS.  Of course someone else can have a differing opinion than mine and that's fine.  However, just saying that because a kid makes a decision, it is the best decision for him and his family is ignorant.  Kids at that age make dumb decisions all the time, regardless of how smart they may be.
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Post by: hogsanity on May 04, 2017, 12:19:40 pm
That's the whole point of message boards, dumbass.  To share information AND OPINIONS.  Of course someone else can have a differing opinion than mine and that's fine.  However, just saying that because a kid makes a decision, it is the best decision for him and his family is ignorant.  Kids at that age make dumb decisions all the time, regardless of how smart they may be.

Ah, yes, name calling.  I am not talking about differing opinions. I am talking people people flat out saying Macon is wrong, or dumb, or making a dumb decision.  I mean I can say it is probably not a good idea for people to spend too much time on message boards, but when I say " Hogfather is dumb for being on Hogville so much " that makes it personal.
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Post by: azhog10 on May 04, 2017, 12:28:08 pm
Much better.  D League gets nothing.  Maybe $30k or so.  Euro players, depending on the league, start between $70-$100k.  At least that's what some Mizzou players tell that are over there now.
LOL, that is for top division players in the top leagues (Spain, Greece, and China). Most guys start at around $2,000-$5,000 a month. Calistus Eziukwu who is a good friend of mine started at around $34-40K and after 4-5 seasons was finally able to crack close to six figures but only for one season. Then he was back down to around $70k. But his first couple years were grinds he told me. Went two weeks without being paid one season and had his agent find him another gig. It's not all roses and while you can eventually make more money, the D-League keeps you in front of the people that really matter as it's easy to get lost in the shuffle overseas. Definitely depends on if he wants to really make it in the NBA or if he is okay with just being paid decent money to play as long as possible.
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Post by: azhog10 on May 04, 2017, 12:32:14 pm
Exactly. But you forfeit the ability to improve your standing for the pro ranks when you leave early. Macon can have a pretty good senior year. That's a big deal and you don't get that back when you leave. He still has another chance to get drafted by the NBA. Isaiah Cousins, Abdel Nader, Joel Bolomboy, Michael Gbinije, Anthony Brown, Josh Richardson, and Cady Lalanne are examples of players that many would have not considered possible draft picks that were selected after their senior seasons. Macon is not being presented with an opportunity that won't be there if he comes back for his senior season. You aren't really trying to insinuate that, are you? Surely not.
Wesley Matthews didn't even get drafted, but did a whole lot for himself coming back a fourth year.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 12:32:59 pm
Ah, yes, name calling.  I am not talking about differing opinions. I am talking people people flat out saying Macon is wrong, or dumb, or making a dumb decision.  I mean I can say it is probably not a good idea for people to spend too much time on message boards, but when I say " Hogfather is dumb for being on Hogville so much " that makes it personal.

I don't really care if someone has a different opinion than me.  I think it would be a dumb decision.  He is free to make what I think is a dumb decision.  He is free to believe that it is best for him and his family.

I didn't say he was dumb.  I think it would be a dumb decision.  Could it work out for him?  Sure.  I just think he would be diminishing the chances of a positive outcome by leaving now.
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Post by: Razor girl on May 04, 2017, 12:48:04 pm
Can anyone give the salaries of former Razorbacks playing overseas ?
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 01:01:03 pm
Can anyone give the salaries of former Razorbacks playing overseas ?

I'm interested in that as well.  I've looked, but can't find much.  I'm sure a guy like Weems is making a pretty penny, since he actually got drafted and played in the NBA some.
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 04, 2017, 01:04:13 pm
I'm interested in that as well.  I've looked, but can't find much.  I'm sure a guy like Weems is making a pretty penny, since he actually got drafted and played in the NBA some.

Found this on Weems (from back in December of 2014):

Quote
Curious as to what a “great offer” means? Well, according to sources, Weems inked a long-term $10 million agreement with CSKA, cementing himself as the highest-paid player overseas.

That was after he had been drafted, averaged a good amount in the NBDL, and played in 140 NBA games over 3 seasons.
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Post by: Hawg Red on May 04, 2017, 01:13:46 pm
https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-overseas-basketball-players-average-salary-compared-to-the-US (https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-overseas-basketball-players-average-salary-compared-to-the-US)
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Post by: Big Nasty 34 on May 04, 2017, 03:20:24 pm
I'm interested in that as well.  I've looked, but can't find much.  I'm sure a guy like Weems is making a pretty penny, since he actually got drafted and played in the NBA some.

I feel like I heard/read weems was going to make more overseas than in the NBA so he stayed returned there.
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Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 04, 2017, 03:46:24 pm
I feel like I heard/read weems was going to make more overseas than in the NBA so he stayed returned there.

Sonny Weems signed with the NBA the Suns for two seasons in 2015. He was waived in 2016 and played with the 76ers before being waived. He eventually signed with Maccabi Tel Aviv but was also waived after he failed to complete an anti-doping test.
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Post by: whoopigLakeCity on May 04, 2017, 03:56:32 pm
Heard they paid enough for Qualls to go back so who knows.
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Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 04, 2017, 03:59:13 pm
Heard they paid enough for Qualls to go back so who knows.

Go back from where?
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Post by: Pork Twain on May 04, 2017, 04:18:48 pm
So you are saying he is dumb to be looking at leaving. Nice, real nice.
I would say that decision would be dumb.  Smart people can make dumb decisions, ya know...  My teenagers make dumb decisions and it is part of growing.  Does not make their choices any less dumb.
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Post by: factchecker on May 04, 2017, 05:14:23 pm
So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k?

A first year teacher makes $44,708 at Bentonville School District.  You add a couple of coaching stipends ($2,500 for assistant football and $2,500 for assistant basketball) and you will be close to that 50k mark.

If you have your masters you start off at $47,843.

http://bentonvillek12.org/edline_resource/departments/human_resources/salary/1617LicensedSalarySchedule.pdf

http://bentonvillek12.org/edline_resource/departments/human_resources/stipend/1617athleticstipends.pdf
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Post by: passinghog on May 04, 2017, 05:33:30 pm
He'd be making a big mistake if he left early. Nothing wrong with believing in yourself as an entrepreneur, etc., but with the Nba or elite European leagues, they have to believe in him. The game tape doesn't lie. It is what it is. You are what the film says you are.
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Post by: hogginbama on May 04, 2017, 06:40:03 pm
So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k?  My son has a pre med degree, and currently in med school, he's not working because I want him to focus solely on med school, but he wouldn't make 50k if he got a job somewhere tomorrow.  Let's say a law degree, 50k right out of college?  Not unless they are the #1 grad coming out and is sought by a prominent law firm.  Let's say accounting; not going to make 50k coming out of college.  Business?  Don't make me laugh.  Sports Medicine? No... Criminal Justice?  Most definitely not.  Get my point?  If the young man THINK, and I emphasis THINK, he can go to Europe and make 50k tax free, I'd be careful with stating "that's not smart."  What if he did come back and blow out a knee?  Would that be smart?  I don't think these young men go into this decision as blindly as we think.  No way he would NOT come back if he didn't have some indication from the BB community he can make a team in Europe because he and all of us know he won't sniff the NBA.  Just hasn't shown that skill set yet.  But I don't blame the young man for striking while the iron is hot.  He can get a degree anywhere, anytime, that's not going to yield what he could make overseas playing BB.   I'd take the shot if I had the opportunity.  If he doesn't make it, not the end of the world or his life.  He can get the 9-12 hours he has left and take the paltry salary college grads are receiving these days, that is, if he can find work in his grad field.  Not guaranteed, check out Fox Business and then tell me the sunny story of coming back, risking injury, and getting that degree.

Son has a business degree in finance, making that magical $50K a year here in Indianapolis. Up for a $7,500 raise when he hits his 1 year anniversary in June.
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Post by: jry04 on May 04, 2017, 06:42:34 pm
Education!  Facts are facts!  That is a profession on the rise again.  I didn't include RNs, Radiologist, mechanics, HVAC...  opportunities are there but the point is, if he can make 50k on the Euro circuit doing what he loves, seeing lands he could only dream of seeing, why not!  If he don't like it or fail, he can come back and coach in NW AR somewhere.  I don't think he will be in the NBA in the foreseeable future but I do think he will make a low tier Euro team and work his way up to better opportunities.  So it is not as cut and dried a dumb decision as some think.

Another thing to be considered is you typically have a car and apartment paid for. They aren't the most luxurious, but you are making 40-50k/yr without a car payment or rent.
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Post by: mizzouman on May 04, 2017, 07:45:53 pm
Four consecutive posts. Is this the digital equivalent of a cluster bomb or a drive-by maybe? Not sure how to retaliate, I would go to the Mizzou board but there's no one there.
No need to retaliate.
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Post by: rzrbackramsfan on May 04, 2017, 09:16:23 pm
I could have sworn Derozen went something like 2/15 the other night.  Shooters have bad games.  The NBA is big into analytics now and usage rate is a biggie and for the minutes Macon played, his and Dusty's was pretty high.  One more year isn't going to get him drafted unless he goes off in a way we haven't seen in a long time at UA.  Staying isn't going to help him one bit.  It will help the Hogs but not his ability to play at the next level including overseas.

So much wrong with this and your next two post.  As a recent business graduate and knowing what I made straight out and what some law friends make and will make I can tell you you're way off base there.

However, I'll just say this: Derozan isn't a shooter.  He's got a good mid range game but hardly even attempts any threes.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on May 04, 2017, 09:17:39 pm
No need to retaliate.

Is mizzou gonna have a top 5 recruiting class or not? They don't look like a threat as we speak.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on May 05, 2017, 12:02:52 am
So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k?  My son has a pre med degree, and currently in med school, he's not working because I want him to focus solely on med school, but he wouldn't make 50k if he got a job somewhere tomorrow.  Let's say a law degree, 50k right out of college?  Not unless they are the #1 grad coming out and is sought by a prominent law firm.  Let's say accounting; not going to make 50k coming out of college.  Business?  Don't make me laugh.  Sports Medicine? No... Criminal Justice?  Most definitely not.  Get my point?  If the young man THINK, and I emphasis THINK, he can go to Europe and make 50k tax free, I'd be careful with stating "that's not smart."  What if he did come back and blow out a knee?  Would that be smart?  I don't think these young men go into this decision as blindly as we think.  No way he would NOT come back if he didn't have some indication from the BB community he can make a team in Europe because he and all of us know he won't sniff the NBA.  Just hasn't shown that skill set yet.  But I don't blame the young man for striking while the iron is hot.  He can get a degree anywhere, anytime, that's not going to yield what he could make overseas playing BB.   I'd take the shot if I had the opportunity.  If he doesn't make it, not the end of the world or his life.  He can get the 9-12 hours he has left and take the paltry salary college grads are receiving these days, that is, if he can find work in his grad field.  Not guaranteed, check out Fox Business and then tell me the sunny story of coming back, risking injury, and getting that degree.
Im an engineer. Started at $60k with a $10k sign on bonus almost seven years ago. Today they are hiring engineers at $75k with the same sign on bonus. He won't make $60k tax free overseas. Guards are a dime a dozen, and he will be lucky to clear $30k in a season his first year.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 05, 2017, 06:12:51 am
I posted a response to "dumb" decisions one but I have to do it again.  These young men have more insight to the BB community than any of us.  How do we know he doesn't have a network of informed people who may have told him there's a possibility he will make a team in Europe paying let's say 40 or 50k tax free?  Why would he come back?  Risk injury and the income and dream is dead...  oh yeah, that coveted degree he can get no matter where he is in the world online of which will NOT produce 40 or 50k fresh out of school..  what degree is gonna produce that kind of immediate income for a new grad?  I don't think he think he has a chance of playing in the NBA immediately but I do think he think he can go overseas and make more money while improving his skill set than a new college grad.  And there sir, I'd say it's a very smart decision.  Look, he's not going to improve his draft stock or his earning potential by staying at UA another year.  He can improve his earning potential by spending that year working through the Euro leagues.  If his choice is get paid now more than my degree will yield while working to advance, I don't think that's dumb at all.  I think it's economically smart.  What's the worse than can happen?  Don't make a Euro team, finish his degree and end up like millions of new grads working jobs outside their field of study making a paltry salary working 8-12 hours a day focused on learning and getting promotions to make a better salary?  He's not getting drafted, he knows it, he can play in a Euro league now and make tax free money while improving his skills and move up in the circuit NOW.  How is that a dumb decision?
Man you are making a lot of assumptions here, the first and most significant, that these kids have any real insight to the NBA/European league just because they play college ball.  European leagues do not just take anyone that applies and the pay and consistency is not as grand as you make it out to be.  I have no real ties to their leagues, but I do have ties to Google and I know how to use it.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 05, 2017, 06:22:34 am
Education!  Facts are facts!  That is a profession on the rise again.  I didn't include RNs, Radiologist, mechanics, HVAC...  opportunities are there but the point is, if he can make 50k on the Euro circuit doing what he loves, seeing lands he could only dream of seeing, why not!  If he don't like it or fail, he can come back and coach in NW AR somewhere.  I don't think he will be in the NBA in the foreseeable future but I do think he will make a low tier Euro team and work his way up to better opportunities.  So it is not as cut and dried a dumb decision as some think.

Have you lived overseas for a long period of time?  I would assume with your screen name you had, unless you were NG.  I have and while this $50k number you throw out there is great, the cost of living and the fact that you are so far from home and everything that you love and the language barrier are significant.  Are we talking $50k US and then converting that to live off of the local market?  All of these little things add up.
 
Gas prices overseas: 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/221368/gas-prices-around-the-world/

US ~$2-3 a gallon and in Europe $6+ a gallon

Exchange rate:
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/

$1.00 US = $0.91 Euro
Just to start off, 50k US equals ~45k Euro

Utilities:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=18851

What you see might not be what you get when it comes to pay:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/10/19/playing-in-europe/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/03/17/why-these-pro-players-are-willing-to-play-basketball-in-iraq-for-20k-a-month/?utm_term=.08ab0f4e3bcf

They might not pay US taxes, but they still might get hit with huge European taxes:
http://www.hesslawgroup.com/services/overseas/general-discussion/
http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?page=euroamfactfiction
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on May 05, 2017, 07:25:07 am
Have you lived overseas for a long period of time?  I would assume with your screen name you had, unless you were NG.  I have and while this $50k number you throw out there is great, the cost of living and the fact that you are so far from home and everything that you love and the language barrier are significant.  Are we talking $50k US and then converting that to live off of the local market?  All of these little things add up.
 
Gas prices overseas: 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/221368/gas-prices-around-the-world/

US ~$2-3 a gallon and in Europe $6+ a gallon

Exchange rate:
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/

$1.00 US = $0.91 Euro
Just to start off, 50k US equals ~45k Euro

Utilities:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=18851

What you see might not be what you get when it comes to pay:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/10/19/playing-in-europe/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/03/17/why-these-pro-players-are-willing-to-play-basketball-in-iraq-for-20k-a-month/?utm_term=.08ab0f4e3bcf

They might not pay US taxes, but they still might get hit with huge European taxes:
http://www.hesslawgroup.com/services/overseas/general-discussion/
http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?page=euroamfactfiction

This, the stuff that the pro overseas crowd willfully ignores.  ColonelHog seems determined to undersell starting salaries in the US as well.  Sure, there are a lot of jobs with lower starting salaries, but there are a lot with really decent salaries as well.  There is a lot of opportunity in the state of Arkansas, and a kid that played for the Hogs would have an inside track at many of those opportunities.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 05, 2017, 07:33:52 am
This, the stuff that the pro overseas crowd willfully ignores.  ColonelHog seems determined to undersell starting salaries in the US as well.  Sure, there are a lot of jobs with lower starting salaries, but there are a lot with really decent salaries as well.  There is a lot of opportunity in the state of Arkansas, and a kid that played for the Hogs would have an inside track at many of those opportunities.
Having lived overseas for 8+ years, I can tell you that it is not as rosy as is being described here and the cost of everything over there makes living in the US seem like we are all rich
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 07:42:45 am
https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-overseas-basketball-players-average-salary-compared-to-the-US (https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-overseas-basketball-players-average-salary-compared-to-the-US)
This is completely wrong.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 07:47:48 am
So tell me, what type of degree is going to pay a kid straight out of college, let's say, 50k?  My son has a pre med degree, and currently in med school, he's not working because I want him to focus solely on med school, but he wouldn't make 50k if he got a job somewhere tomorrow.  Let's say a law degree, 50k right out of college?  Not unless they are the #1 grad coming out and is sought by a prominent law firm.  Let's say accounting; not going to make 50k coming out of college.  Business?  Don't make me laugh.  Sports Medicine? No... Criminal Justice?  Most definitely not.  Get my point?  If the young man THINK, and I emphasis THINK, he can go to Europe and make 50k tax free, I'd be careful with stating "that's not smart."  What if he did come back and blow out a knee?  Would that be smart?  I don't think these young men go into this decision as blindly as we think.  No way he would NOT come back if he didn't have some indication from the BB community he can make a team in Europe because he and all of us know he won't sniff the NBA.  Just hasn't shown that skill set yet.  But I don't blame the young man for striking while the iron is hot.  He can get a degree anywhere, anytime, that's not going to yield what he could make overseas playing BB.   I'd take the shot if I had the opportunity.  If he doesn't make it, not the end of the world or his life.  He can get the 9-12 hours he has left and take the paltry salary college grads are receiving these days, that is, if he can find work in his grad field.  Not guaranteed, check out Fox Business and then tell me the sunny story of coming back, risking injury, and getting that degree.
Damn good post.

Plus, we don't know their situation.  I keep saying that.  Also, Euro players make a lot more than we think and what's been posted here.  Mid tier players get about $100-$120k per year.  If you are a rookie, may be $70k per year.  That's some good money without a degree.  Not only that, what's not reported in their income is that many, just about all, get free rent and are giving cars plus a per diem on top of the salary.  So, they are doing quite well.

Now, for these two individuals, who knows?  In general, coming back to school would be a wise choice.  But, if they go, I for one would not say it's a terrible choice since I don't know their situation.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 07:53:19 am
He'd be making a big mistake if he left early. Nothing wrong with believing in yourself as an entrepreneur, etc., but with the Nba or elite European leagues, they have to believe in him. The game tape doesn't lie. It is what it is. You are what the film says you are.
Son has a business degree in finance, making that magical $50K a year here in Indianapolis. Up for a $7,500 raise when he hits his 1 year anniversary in June.
College grads in the company I work are starting at $50k.  That seems to be the magic mark.

But, these two could make up to 25% more just in salary, plus rent, plus cars, etc.  Total compensation, over $100k easy their first year.  Plus, can get their degrees.

It's not a black and white decision.  It's individual and what these kids need.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 07:55:17 am
Have you lived overseas for a long period of time?  I would assume with your screen name you had, unless you were NG.  I have and while this $50k number you throw out there is great, the cost of living and the fact that you are so far from home and everything that you love and the language barrier are significant.  Are we talking $50k US and then converting that to live off of the local market?  All of these little things add up.
 
Gas prices overseas: 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/221368/gas-prices-around-the-world/

US ~$2-3 a gallon and in Europe $6+ a gallon

Exchange rate:
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/

$1.00 US = $0.91 Euro
Just to start off, 50k US equals ~45k Euro

Utilities:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=18851

What you see might not be what you get when it comes to pay:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/10/19/playing-in-europe/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/03/17/why-these-pro-players-are-willing-to-play-basketball-in-iraq-for-20k-a-month/?utm_term=.08ab0f4e3bcf

They might not pay US taxes, but they still might get hit with huge European taxes:
http://www.hesslawgroup.com/services/overseas/general-discussion/
http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?page=euroamfactfiction
But these players won't pay this.  The teams take very good care of them.  They won't pay rent, utilities, gas or for even a car.  All that is part of the deal. 

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 07:59:04 am
Having lived overseas for 8+ years, I can tell you that it is not as rosy as is being described here and the cost of everything over there makes living in the US seem like we are all rich
I've lived in Europe as well.  It's not cheap for you or me.  But again, the expenses everyone is talking about will not be paid by the players.  The teams will take care of a lot of it.  It's not like they are going there to make $50k a year and living like you and I.  It's more like they are making $75k per year with NO expenses.  The only expense is what they want to buy and some food.  Rent, utilities, some food, cars, gas, transportation, health care, etc., etc., costs them nothing.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 08:06:19 am
I've lived in Europe as well.  It's not cheap for you or me.  But again, the expenses everyone is talking about will not be paid by the players.  The teams will take care of a lot of it.  It's not like they are going there to make $50k a year and living like you and I.  It's more like they are making $75k per year with NO expenses.  The only expense is what they want to buy and some food.  Rent, utilities, some food, cars, gas, transportation, health care, etc., etc., costs them nothing.


Exactly. You hear 50k and think that isn't much. Take out virtually all your expenses and you are able to save quite a bit of money for the few years you play over there. Like I said in a previous thread, I know a guy who came back with a couple hundred thousand saved up off a similar salary because just about everything was paid for. He played in Poland, and was not a very good college player. He played on one of our worse teams over here, and barely touched the floor. He came back and got his masters after retiring, but had quite the head start in life thanks to his few years overseas with little expenses and no debt out of college.

Americans make more playing overseas. Most leagues set a limit on the amount of Americans one team can have, and the first year American players get more than the first year European players.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Knot2brite on May 05, 2017, 08:20:18 am
Just to throw some devils advocate out here ...I have been teaching and coaching for 18 years and I barely making over $50 K.....not everyone gets to start at bentonville....I have worked at big districts and small ones ( like I work at now) ....sometimes you have to do what you have to do in life...I think Mr. Macon has to make a decision about HIS life that fits HIS situation. Having said all of that...as a educator, I hope that he returns and works toward finishing his degree because in the end they can never take that from you.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 08:22:52 am
This is completely wrong.

In what way and what supporting evidence do you have to debunk this?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 08:30:24 am
College grads in the company I work are starting at $50k.  That seems to be the magic mark.

But, these two could make up to 25% more just in salary, plus rent, plus cars, etc.  Total compensation, over $100k easy their first year.  Plus, can get their degrees.

It's not a black and white decision.  It's individual and what these kids need.



You're just wrong.  All the way around.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Boss Hog in the Arkansas on May 05, 2017, 08:31:54 am
Just to throw some devils advocate out here ...I have been teaching and coaching for 18 years and I barely making over $50 K.....not everyone gets to start at bentonville....I have worked at big districts and small ones ( like I work at now) ....sometimes you have to do what you have to do in life...I think Mr. Macon has to make a decision about HIS life that fits HIS situation. Having said all of that...as a educator, I hope that he returns and works toward finishing his degree because in the end they can never take that from you.
They have programs that allow you to finish your education. I know the NFL, NBA, and MLB have it so I wouldn't be surprised if Euro leagues have something similar
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on May 05, 2017, 08:37:04 am
Wonder how many undergrads at the Uof A will drop out after this semester ends so they can go to work? I bet it is more than just Macon/Barford ( assuming they both leave which is unlikely ) yet these guys are the only ones making a "dumb" decision if they do so.

If a 20-22 yr old can leave school and earn 50K or more doing anything legal, why not do it? And do not give me any stuff about pride, caring about teammates, having the " full Razorback experience " how much a degree is worth ( cause many degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on anymore ), or all the other bogus reasoning some of you are suing to try to justify the things being said about Macon.

The bottom line is that those of you who are so adamant that he is about to make a mistake want him back for selfish reasons, to win games so you can derive some pride from the basketball team. If he were a regular student, or a sub playing 4 mins a game, you would not care one bit if he stayed or left.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 08:38:38 am
But these players won't pay this.  The teams take very good care of them.  They won't pay rent, utilities, gas or for even a car.  All that is part of the deal. 



Not for guys like Macon and Barford, straight out of college, without any NBA interest.  They will not get "taken care of" like you are suggesting and they aren't going to make $100k+ in total compensation.  They would likely end up in some lower Euro league or some other country outside of Europe, where paychecks are not always guaranteed and the MVP of the league might get a vacuum.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on May 05, 2017, 08:46:22 am
They would likely end up in some lower Euro league or some other country outside of Europe, where paychecks are not always guaranteed and the MVP of the league might get a vacuum.


And where they can't help the Hogs win games, do not forget that part.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: husker71 on May 05, 2017, 08:47:18 am
your window to make money on your physical skills is very limited.  You can always (if you want to) go back and get your degree.  I just had a friend go back and get his at 66 or so.   The guy was a natural salesman and made lots of money BUT when he retired he decided to go back and resume his college work and in less than 2 years finished his up. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 08:47:36 am
Wonder how many undergrads at the Uof A will drop out after this semester ends so they can go to work? I bet it is more than just Macon/Barford ( assuming they both leave which is unlikely ) yet these guys are the only ones making a "dumb" decision if they do so.

Who said they are the only ones who might make a dumb decision?  Many of us have said smart people make dumb decisions from time-to-time, especially when they begin to get visions of grandeur, such as making $100k+, tax-free, with all expenses paid (apartment, car, food, etc.), in a very stable, beautiful country in Europe, etc.  They need to know it will likely be a less desirable situation than some will paint for them (mizzouman, hogsanity, ColonelSanders).
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 08:48:41 am
And where they can't help the Hogs win games, do not forget that part.

Zero to do with this.

You are such a pot stirrer.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 08:50:00 am
your window to make money on your physical skills is very limited.  You can always (if you want to) go back and get your degree.  I just had a friend go back and get his at 66 or so.   The guy was a natural salesman and made lots of money BUT when he retired he decided to go back and resume his college work and in less than 2 years finished his up. 

Good for him.  What you are talking about would be something a 1st round draft pick could/should say, not a guy who has no shot at getting drafted and would likely end up in a lower league overseas.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hogsanity on May 05, 2017, 08:53:04 am
Zero to do with this.

You are such a pot stirrer.

It has everything to do with this. If they could not help the hogs win games, not one of us would care of they stayed or left.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PonderinHog on May 05, 2017, 08:56:20 am
Wonder how many undergrads at the Uof A will drop out after this semester ends so they can go to work? I bet it is more than just Macon/Barford ( assuming they both leave which is unlikely ) yet these guys are the only ones making a "dumb" decision if they do so.

If a 20-22 yr old can leave school and earn 50K or more doing anything legal, why not do it? And do not give me any stuff about pride, caring about teammates, having the " full Razorback experience " how much a degree is worth ( cause many degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on anymore ), or all the other bogus reasoning some of you are suing to try to justify the things being said about Macon.

The bottom line is that those of you who are so adamant that he is about to make a mistake want him back for selfish reasons, to win games so you can derive some pride from the basketball team. If he were a regular student, or a sub playing 4 mins a game, you would not care one bit if he stayed or left.
I wonder how many of those undergrads have a full ride.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HogInThaGrove on May 05, 2017, 08:59:31 am
A first year teacher makes $44,708 at Bentonville School District.  You add a couple of coaching stipends ($2,500 for assistant football and $2,500 for assistant basketball) and you will be close to that 50k mark.

If you have your masters you start off at $47,843.

http://bentonvillek12.org/edline_resource/departments/human_resources/salary/1617LicensedSalarySchedule.pdf

http://bentonvillek12.org/edline_resource/departments/human_resources/stipend/1617athleticstipends.pdf

LOL.  Bentonville is LITERALLY the highest paying school district in Arkansas.  Many of the smaller schools start somewhere around 34k.  The difference in a small district and a large district will often be almost 10k. 

But I digress. 

I think he'd be an idiot to go now.  But as always, it's HIS call.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 08:59:52 am
These awesome 50k/year pro ball gigs where they everything is "free" will be there for Macon after his senior season, too. Only he'll have an opportunity to via for better options than he has right now by coming back. The bar can't get much lower than "just play pro ball" because the reality is that players much worse than Macon will have the opportunity to play pro ball. It's almost impossible for a player of Macon's caliber to not have the opportunity to play somewhere. So why give up now and resign yourself to something that will EASILY (yes, EASILY) be there again next year? Do we really think Macon is going to get WORSE by coming back for his senior season? Doubtful. Go for the REAL goal. Try for the NBA with this awesome platform of the SEC. Who do you think scouts are looking at more and closer, college players or undrafted players in small overseas leagues?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 09:01:43 am
LOL.  Bentonville is LITERALLY the highest paying school district in Arkansas.  Many of the smaller schools start somewhere around 34k.  The difference in a small district and a large district will often be almost 10k. 

But I digress. 

I think he'd be an idiot to go now.  But as always, it's HIS call.
I actually believe Springdale is the highest paying, but it may have changed. A girl I dated a few years in/after college became a teacher, and started in Springdale because it was the highest paying school district in Arkansas at the time. Very possible it has changed in the last few years. I do know Bentonville, Fayetteville, Rogers, and Springdale are all pretty similar in starting salary. The Farmington, Elkins, West Fork type school districts are where you see your big drop off like you said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 09:17:52 am
It has everything to do with this. If they could not help the hogs win games, not one of us would care of they stayed or left.

I'm talking about it without connection to the Hogs.  Period.  I would be saying the same thing if Macon was playing for Penn State.  The exact same thing.  It would be a dumb decision.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:19:10 am
Just to throw some devils advocate out here ...I have been teaching and coaching for 18 years and I barely making over $50 K.....not everyone gets to start at bentonville....I have worked at big districts and small ones ( like I work at now) ....sometimes you have to do what you have to do in life...I think Mr. Macon has to make a decision about HIS life that fits HIS situation. Having said all of that...as a educator, I hope that he returns and works toward finishing his degree because in the end they can never take that from you.
Bingo, well said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:20:00 am
In what way and what supporting evidence do you have to debunk this?
From former Mizzou players, 3 in fact, that I keep in touch with that play there. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:20:40 am
You're just wrong.  All the way around.
You only wish. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 09:20:52 am
From former Mizzou players, 3 in fact, that I keep in touch with that play there. 

Ha.  Ok.  Wingo to Missouri!  I heard it from an inside source.

Gotta love the ol' just trust me "proof".
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:24:37 am
Not for guys like Macon and Barford, straight out of college, without any NBA interest.  They will not get "taken care of" like you are suggesting and they aren't going to make $100k+ in total compensation.  They would likely end up in some lower Euro league or some other country outside of Europe, where paychecks are not always guaranteed and the MVP of the league might get a vacuum.
What I'm saying is that these two will need sort all that out. 

In other words, if they have NO possibility of making it in the NBA and NO possibility of making a decent living in Europe and their ONLY option is the D league....then yes, come back.

But, we just don't know what they are doing behind the scenes. 

It's very possible that they are working behind the scenes to get the best Euro contract possible.  If it's $75k, plus expenses AND they can still work toward their degree, then why not?

But, if not and the D League is the only option, then yes, by all means, come back.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:25:21 am
Ha.  Ok.  Wingo to Missouri!  I heard it from an inside source.

Gotta love the ol' just trust me "proof".
He did go to Mizzou.  Check for a Wingo on the roster.  You'll see one.   :)
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 09:53:15 am
He did go to Mizzou.  Check for a Wingo on the roster.  You'll see one.   :)

Not Ronnie.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 09:53:55 am
These awesome 50k/year pro ball gigs where they everything is "free" will be there for Macon after his senior season, too. Only he'll have an opportunity to via for better options than he has right now by coming back. The bar can't get much lower than "just play pro ball" because the reality is that players much worse than Macon will have the opportunity to play pro ball. It's almost impossible for a player of Macon's caliber to not have the opportunity to play somewhere. So why give up now and resign yourself to something that will EASILY (yes, EASILY) be there again next year? Do we really think Macon is going to get WORSE by coming back for his senior season? Doubtful. Go for the REAL goal. Try for the NBA with this awesome platform of the SEC. Who do you think scouts are looking at more and closer, college players or undrafted players in small overseas leagues?
According to the NCAA website, baseball and basketball athletes are allowed to hear out market value and negotiate professional league contracts without the presence of a lawyer or an agent. Only the school's compliance staff, legal guardian, and the player are allowed to be present or provide any advice. As long as he does not enter into an agreement with a professional team, he remains eligible. You just do not hear about it in basketball as much because we focus on the NBA, and they have to go through the draft so no contract negotiations with teams are going on while the player is eligible. With all that being said, he has some leverage when negotiating right now. He can say "I need this much or I am going back to school," and it may be more than what he could make after his senior year. He may be a better player, but has nowhere else to go. It is a take it or leave it situation at that point.

You see it all the time in baseball, too. A kid gets offered a $250,000 signing bonus after his junior year, goes back for his senior year to win a championship or improve as a player, then gets drafted in a similar spot and signs for $50,000-$100,000 despite being a better player because they lost all leverage. Obviously Macon's situation will be a little different because he isn't tied to one team and one league, but it still holds some truth to the negotiation power a player has now v as a senior.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:55:07 am
Not Ronnie.
Ronnie who?  Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 09:56:35 am
According to the NCAA website, baseball and basketball athletes are allowed to hear out market value and negotiate professional league contracts without the presence of a lawyer or an agent. Only the school's compliance staff, legal guardian, and the player are allowed to be present or provide any advice. As long as he does not enter into an agreement with a professional team, he remains eligible. You just do not hear about it in basketball as much because we focus on the NBA, and they have to go through the draft so no contract negotiations with teams are going on while the player is eligible. With all that being said, he has some leverage when negotiating right now. He can say "I need this much or I am going back to school," and it may be more than what he could make after his senior year. He may be a better player, but has nowhere else to go. It is a take it or leave it situation at that point.
I would agree with this. 

Bottom line, we just don't what they are doing behind the scenes. 

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: zebradynasty on May 05, 2017, 10:08:47 am
I think Macon should return. Not going to act like my reasons are purely for Macon's best interest either (I think some on here need to be more honest ). However, any kid dreaming of being a professional athlete has a very small window to pursue that dream. So I understand him exploring ALL options. That's the key he has options. He should explore each option as far he can and make a decision he feels is right for HIM. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on May 05, 2017, 10:13:00 am
Ronnie who?  Never heard of him.

Bama, UGA and SC fans know who. Wheel Route
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Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 10:18:57 am
I think Macon should return. Not going to act like my reasons are purely for Macon's best interest either (I think some on here need to be more honest ). However, any kid dreaming of being a professional athlete has a very small window to pursue that dream. So I understand him exploring ALL options. That's the key he has options. He should explore each option as far he can and make a decision he feels is right for HIM. 

If you are speaking about me, I am being 100% honest.  I honestly would be saying the same thing if we were discussing a player for Penn State.  It would be a dumb decision, but he has the right to make it.

I have also said that I obviously want him back because he would help the Hogs.  That is a separate matter.  If he had a chance at being drafted or I thought he could go make $100k+, I would be singing a different tune.  I would still want him back, but I would completely understand him making the decision to leave.  With his prospects currently, it would be a dumb decision for his future AND it would hurt the Hogs.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 10:33:24 am
From former Mizzou players, 3 in fact, that I keep in touch with that play there.

Where is "there?" Because there are leagues all over the world.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: The Hogfather on May 05, 2017, 10:36:39 am
Where is "there?" Because there are leagues all over the world.

He won't be able to give any verifiable specifics.  That's his M.O.  He talks to all of these people who know all of these things to prove you wrong.  Just trust him.
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Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 10:41:26 am
According to the NCAA website, baseball and basketball athletes are allowed to hear out market value and negotiate professional league contracts without the presence of a lawyer or an agent. Only the school's compliance staff, legal guardian, and the player are allowed to be present or provide any advice. As long as he does not enter into an agreement with a professional team, he remains eligible. You just do not hear about it in basketball as much because we focus on the NBA, and they have to go through the draft so no contract negotiations with teams are going on while the player is eligible. With all that being said, he has some leverage when negotiating right now. He can say "I need this much or I am going back to school," and it may be more than what he could make after his senior year. He may be a better player, but has nowhere else to go. It is a take it or leave it situation at that point.

You see it all the time in baseball, too. A kid gets offered a $250,000 signing bonus after his junior year, goes back for his senior year to win a championship or improve as a player, then gets drafted in a similar spot and signs for $50,000-$100,000 despite being a better player because they lost all leverage. Obviously Macon's situation will be a little different because he isn't tied to one team and one league, but it still holds some truth to the negotiation power a player has now v as a senior.

Safe to say, this is a reach. If it were a prevalent part of the process, we'd hear about it much, much more. My guess is that we don't hear about it because it rarely happens. So, this is why I consider your comeback a reach. Bottom line is, he's not likely to find himself in a worse situation with another year of development and a feature role for Arkansas. Anything's possible, but it's not likely that he does not improve in some areas. I'd hate to see him enter the market at this floor, and that's what I think he'd be doing. If Macon was even a borderline NBA draft prospect, I'd be completely fine with his decision to go pro (I didn't have too much issue with Qualls leaving) because I know he'd likely find a good situation. At current, I believe he can do better and I want better for him. Sure, I'd love to selfishly have him back as Hog can because the Hogs would have a good season. No denying that. But I really do want Macon to have a good career playing basketball. I think he'd be leaving a lot of upside on the table and that's just unfortunate, if he does go pro now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: zebradynasty on May 05, 2017, 10:56:03 am
If you are speaking about me, I am being 100% honest.  I honestly would be saying the same thing if we were discussing a player for Penn State.  It would be a dumb decision, but he has the right to make it.

I have also said that I obviously want him back because he would help the Hogs.  That is a separate matter.  If he had a chance at being drafted or I thought he could go make $100k+, I would be singing a different tune.  I would still want him back, but I would completely understand him making the decision to leave.  With his prospects currently, it would be a dumb decision for his future AND it would hurt the Hogs.

I believe he has more options than you think. I also believe that everything he's done so far was done with a lot of thought and input from people who know the business and know his situation. I truly believe he would not forego his senior year for a 50K/year offer. Doesn't seem like a kid that's going to do it his way and others be darned.   
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 11:18:15 am
Safe to say, this is a reach. If it were a prevalent part of the process, we'd hear about it much, much more. My guess is that we don't hear about it because it rarely happens. So, this is why I consider your comeback a reach. Bottom line is, he's not likely to find himself in a worse situation with another year of development and a feature role for Arkansas. Anything's possible, but it's not likely that he does not improve in some areas. I'd hate to see him enter the market at this floor, and that's what I think he'd be doing. If Macon was even a borderline NBA draft prospect, I'd be completely fine with his decision to go pro (I didn't have too much issue with Qualls leaving) because I know he'd likely find a good situation. At current, I believe he can do better and I want better for him. Sure, I'd love to selfishly have him back as Hog can because the Hogs would have a good season. No denying that. But I really do want Macon to have a good career playing basketball. I think he'd be leaving a lot of upside on the table and that's just unfortunate, if he does go pro now.
Not sure what you are saying is a reach, but neither are a reach. It happens all the time, especially in baseball. How many foreign contract negotiations do you follow? Hearing about it has nothing to do with how often it happens and everything to do with how much people care about hearing about it. Nobody follows an average junior's contract negotiations with a foreign team, and why would they? The former Hog I know personally did it. He had to negotiate with foreign teams two years in a row. Ended up going after his senior season. I know others athletes who have been through the process while working in the athletic department, but cannot say I know them personally, but I do know how they handled the process. Literally every baseball player drafted does it, too. They set a number that they want and say give me a contract guaranteeing it and I will sign, or I am going back to school. You do not have that option when you are a senior.

I couldn't begin to tell you what Macon has a chance of making or how big of a commodity he would be overseas, but as far as the process he is going through I know because of the people I know who have been through it. If not for them, I would be just like you not knowing and just assuming on how it works. He isn't jumping into this thing blindly. He isn't just stalling because he is on the fence. He is hearing every option and negotiating to see what his best offers are. The fact that he hasn't hired an agent to help him negotiate in these discussions tells me he is at least concerned about remaining eligible at the U of A.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 11:33:10 am
Not sure what you are saying is a reach, but neither are a reach. It happens all the time, especially in baseball. How many foreign contract negotiations do you follow? Hearing about it has nothing to do with how often it happens and everything to do with how much people care about hearing about it. Nobody follows an average junior's contract negotiations with a foreign team, and why would they? The former Hog I know personally did it. He had to negotiate with foreign teams two years in a row. Ended up going after his senior season. I know others athletes who have been through the process while working in the athletic department, but cannot say I know them personally, but I do know how they handled the process. Literally every baseball player drafted does it, too. They set a number that they want and say give me a contract guaranteeing it and I will sign, or I am going back to school. You do not have that option when you are a senior.

I couldn't begin to tell you what Macon has a chance of making or how big of a commodity he would be overseas, but as far as the process he is going through I know because of the people I know who have been through it. If not for them, I would be just like you not knowing and just assuming on how it works. He isn't jumping into this thing blindly. He isn't just stalling because he is on the fence. He is hearing every option and negotiating to see what his best offers are. The fact that he hasn't hired an agent to help him negotiate in these discussions tells me he is at least concerned about remaining eligible at the U of A.

Without an agent, it would seem to be that it would be pretty tough to gauge your value overseas. Who is doing the legwork on that and checking interest from all of these leagues overseas? Who, if not an agent, has those kind of contacts? My guess is that his options for negotiation are limited for this reason. I'm not really concerned with what goes on in baseball because so much about contracts and drafting is different in baseball and basketball. It's not apples to apples in many regards. I've never made anywhere near the claim that Macon is jumping into this blindly (at least I hope it hasn't come across that way). I'm saying he's selling himself short if he does go pro based on my assumption of what his value likely is right now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 11:43:27 am
Without an agent, it would seem to be that it would be pretty tough to gauge your value overseas. Who is doing the legwork on that and checking interest from all of these leagues overseas? Who, if not an agent, has those kind of contacts? My guess is that his options for negotiation are limited for this reason. I'm not really concerned with what goes on in baseball because so much about contracts and drafting is different in baseball and basketball. It's not apples to apples in many regards. I've never made anywhere near the claim that Macon is jumping into this blindly (at least I hope it hasn't come across that way). I'm saying he's selling himself short if he does go pro based on my assumption of what his value likely is right now.
University of Arkansas athletic employees are allowed to provide advice and be present during negotiations, just no lawyers or anyone acting as an agent. Mike's connections get his foot in the door with teams. Also, just by declaring your name is out there so any interested teams will contact the U of A to get in contact with Macon.  It isn't just him against everyone. I don't know what to tell you other than any player who leaves for overseas without discussing and negotiating with teams are complete idiots. Some probably do, but most don't. If he gets an offer he feels is reasonable and plans on leaving, then he has an agent/lawyer look over the contract and negotiate more on his behalf, thus forfeiting his eligibility. He has a good understanding of what he can and can't get well before he reaches that point, though. If he never declares and never puts his name out there he will not know what he can or can't do, though.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 05, 2017, 11:56:09 am
University of Arkansas athletic employees are allowed to provide advice and be present during negotiations, just no lawyers or anyone acting as an agent. Mike's connections get his foot in the door with teams. Also, just by declaring your name is out there so any interested teams will contact the U of A to get in contact with Macon.  It isn't just him against everyone. I don't know what to tell you other than any player who leaves for overseas without discussing and negotiating with teams are complete idiots. Some probably do, but most don't. If he gets an offer he feels is reasonable and plans on leaving, then he has an agent/lawyer look over the contract and negotiate more on his behalf, thus forfeiting his eligibility. He has a good understanding of what he can and can't get well before he reaches that point, though. If he never declares and never puts his name out there he will not know what he can or can't do, though.

I don't have an issue with any of this. Declaring, negotiating, etc. I don't really even have a problem, per se, with him going pro. I mean, I get it. I just think it can be so much better for him if he comes back. I don't know what his goal is, though. I assumed based on his own comments that he actually wants to be a relevant professional basketball player and play in the NBA. Giving up a chance to get drafted next year so he can just take any old pro contract right now (which is my perception of what he'd be doing based on his perceived "stock") is what I don't like. I don't like him selling himself short, and I think he'd be doing that by going pro right now, honestly. But, like you said, he hasn't hired an agent as far as anyone knows, so one would think he hasn't fully decided to go pro. I hope he elects not to. I think whatever the highest number he has been given from a team right now will be there again next summer. I don't see his stock being lower. Might not be higher but I think he's at his professional floor right now. The concerning part is all of the "sources close to Macon" talk that indicates he's set on going pro. If you believe what's been posted by some media members, he's been set on going pro for longer than he's had his name out there as an early entrant.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 05, 2017, 12:00:03 pm
I don't have an issue with any of this. Declaring, negotiating, etc. I don't really even have a problem, per se, with him going pro. I mean, I get it. I just think it can be so much better for him if he comes back. I don't know what his goal is, though. I assumed based on his own comments that he actually wants to be a relevant professional basketball player and play in the NBA. Giving up a chance to get drafted next year so he can just take any old pro contract right now (which is my perception of what he'd be doing based on his perceived "stock") is what I don't like. I don't like him selling himself short, and I think he'd be doing that by going pro right now, honestly. But, like you said, he hasn't hired an agent as far as anyone knows, so one would think he hasn't fully decided to go pro. I hope he elects not to. I think whatever the highest number he has been given from a team right now will be there again next summer. I don't see his stock being lower. Might not be higher but I think he's at his professional floor right now. The concerning part is all of the "sources close to Macon" talk that indicates he's set on going pro. If you believe what's been posted by some media members, he's been set on going pro for longer than he's had his name out there as an early entrant.
He may go pro, but the fact he doesn't have an agent proves to me that he is not dead set on it. If he were, like you said, it would be much easier with an agent negotiating on your behalf. The process would take less time, and he wouldn't be wasting his time going to class and working out with the team. He would be working on finding a team.

And I know what your stance is and see why you feel that way, but I was just explaining what I said wasn't a reach like you explicitly said.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on May 05, 2017, 12:24:14 pm
Macon coming back, y'all rest easy.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jjdlc on May 05, 2017, 12:43:25 pm
From former Mizzou players, 3 in fact, that I keep in touch with that play there.

3 is a very very small sample size.  The truth is, there are a lot more horror stories that says the opposite, very very few make great money, and only some make decent, some make peanutes, and aren't even guaranteed a check that wont bounce.  Not every team/league gives them free room and board and pays expenses either.  And I can almost guarantee that every single player is paying taxes to someone, Governments are funny that way, and don't tend to care about sports much.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 01:16:58 pm
Where is "there?" Because there are leagues all over the world.
Italy and Korea.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 01:19:49 pm
3 is a very very small sample size.  The truth is, there are a lot more horror stories that says the opposite, very very few make great money, and only some make decent, some make peanutes, and aren't even guaranteed a check that wont bounce.  Not every team/league gives them free room and board and pays expenses either.  And I can almost guarantee that every single player is paying taxes to someone, Governments are funny that way, and don't tend to care about sports much.
The 3 are whom I keep in direct contact with.  But, they say the same for others that they know.  So, I can only go by what these guys have said.  Are there horror stories?  I'm sure.  But are there great successes?  Absolutely. 

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 05, 2017, 01:23:18 pm
Italy and Korea.
And by the way, one will go to Germany next year to play his last of his 14 years.  He'll be 36, coming back to the US with a wife and 2 kids and will not have to work another day in his life. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on May 05, 2017, 01:28:36 pm
Macon coming back, y'all rest easy.

Whew, I'm so glad you posted this. I feel so much better
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: daprospecta on May 05, 2017, 01:33:30 pm
Macon should get his degree to have in his back pocket. I think he should come back because his game got better as the year progressed.  I honestly think he can work his way into a second round pick.  He has some things to work on that can be achieved over a summer of hard work and dedication.  I don't think it's a catastrophic decision if he were to leave but not the best.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on May 05, 2017, 02:08:31 pm
Whew, I'm so glad you posted this. I feel so much better

You should.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on May 05, 2017, 02:26:06 pm
You should.

Oh, I do
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Birminghog on May 05, 2017, 06:33:20 pm
And by the way, one will go to Germany next year to play his last of his 14 years.  He'll be 36, coming back to the US with a wife and 2 kids and will not have to work another day in his life.

If that is true, he invested well and resisted the spendthrift urge. Good for him. I hate it when athletes make a ton of money, then lose it because of poor choices, bad advice, leeches, etc.

Best of luck to him. Hopefully he can be a positive influence on other professional athletes, regardless of where they end up playing.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on May 05, 2017, 08:35:32 pm
Macon coming back, y'all rest easy.
Call me naive, but i believe this elaborate post
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on May 05, 2017, 08:42:32 pm
Call me naive, but i believe this elaborate post

Seems legit.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: azhog10 on May 05, 2017, 09:51:47 pm
Looking more and more promising. But these kids can be fickle.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on May 05, 2017, 10:26:36 pm
And by the way, one will go to Germany next year to play his last of his 14 years.  He'll be 36, coming back to the US with a wife and 2 kids and will not have to work another day in his life. 

That's awesome. Good for him. All to play a game. Would have loved to have that opportunity
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: East TN HAWG on May 06, 2017, 01:41:43 pm
Macon coming back, y'all rest easy.

How?  Considering that he is not attending classes.  I doubt he is academically eligible now.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: razorsharp94 on May 06, 2017, 02:13:23 pm
How?  Considering that he is not attending classes.  I doubt he is academically eligible now.

Who said he's not attending classes? Another board "reported" he was. Who has the concrete proof? I'm guessing neither board does.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on May 06, 2017, 07:10:40 pm
Who said he's not attending classes? Another board "reported" he was. Who has the concrete proof? I'm guessing neither board does.

The facts and first hand reports on these boards come At you so fast it just messes you up.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 06, 2017, 07:20:12 pm
FWIW.....

https://twitter.com/_arhoops/status/860989812899278849
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 06, 2017, 07:41:40 pm
If that is true, he invested well and resisted the spendthrift urge. Good for him. I hate it when athletes make a ton of money, then lose it because of poor choices, bad advice, leeches, etc.

Best of luck to him. Hopefully he can be a positive influence on other professional athletes, regardless of where they end up playing.
Made a lot if money with no expenses.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Razorod on May 06, 2017, 08:57:43 pm
FWIW.....

https://twitter.com/_arhoops/status/860989812899278849
Good news.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on May 06, 2017, 09:43:26 pm
Macon coming back, y'all rest easy.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Arthur pigby sellers. on May 06, 2017, 09:51:08 pm
And by the way, one will go to Germany next year to play his last of his 14 years.  He'll be 36, coming back to the US with a wife and 2 kids and will not have to work another day in his life.

How the hell can he do that?  I guarantee I make twice what the highest euro guys make.  I'm 42 and still having to work full time for the next 20 years.  He must have played in the NBA some to make that kind of money.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on May 06, 2017, 10:32:48 pm
FWIW

860989812899278849
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 06, 2017, 10:37:54 pm
How the hell can he do that?  I guarantee I make twice what the highest euro guys make.  I'm 42 and still having to work full time for the next 20 years.  He must have played in the NBA some to make that kind of money.
This is just an ignorant post. The highest paid euro players make over $1million. You make twice that?

If you truly get a good deal overseas like the ones I know did, then it does not take long to save up.  Even jusy $45-50K/yr with a car and apartment paid for nets you at least $25k/yr. If Mizzouman's player made at least that for 14 years he is coming back with $350k+. My guess is if you are in your 14th year overseas, you will probably make more if you are a halfway decent American player.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Birminghog on May 06, 2017, 10:59:34 pm
This is just an ignorant post. The highest paid euro players make over $1million. You make twice that?

If you truly get a good deal overseas like the ones I know did, then it does not take long to save up.  Even jusy $45-50K/yr with a car and apartment paid for nets you at least $25k/yr. If Mizzouman's player made at least that for 14 years he is coming back with $350k+. My guess is if you are in your 14th year overseas, you will probably make more if you are a halfway decent American player.

Returning to the subject of Macon, I see in another thread that Qualls is playing in Israel. Do we think Macon is better than Qualls? What is his likely destination if he goes overseas (which we are told a couple of posts ago won't happen anyway)?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: hawgmasta on May 07, 2017, 09:38:23 am
Returning to the subject of Macon, I see in another thread that Qualls is playing in Israel. Do we think Macon is better than Qualls? What is his likely destination if he goes overseas (which we are told a couple of posts ago won't happen anyway)?

That's a great question, Qualls definitely has better athleticism and defense. Qualls also is a better scorer when he's on and quite a bit longer.

Macon is a much better all around player though, and is a much more "pure" shooter.  If Macon was closer to Qualls size and hops, I have no doubt he would probably be drafted this year.

And there is a difference between a shooter and scorer, and you can be both if that makes sense.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: woodhog14 on May 07, 2017, 10:00:36 am
How the hell can he do that? I guarantee I make twice what the highest euro guys make.  I'm 42 and still having to work full time for the next 20 years.  He must have played in the NBA some to make that kind of money.


Seriously? There are over 35 players making over $1.2M a year in the European League, with the highest paid player making $3.4M.  Come on man.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HoopS on May 07, 2017, 10:05:42 am
FWIW.....

https://twitter.com/_arhoops/status/860989812899278849
the most important post in this thread. Hopefully it'll get its deserved play before long as others debate the salaries of those playing overseas. Meanwhile our team looks like it has a legit chance again now. But by all means, let's continue the European League talk.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: RebHog on May 07, 2017, 11:03:46 am
the most important post in this thread. Hopefully it'll get its deserved play before long as others debate the salaries of those playing overseas. Meanwhile our team looks like it has a legit chance again now. But by all means, let's continue the European League talk.

Hope this is true I don't see this post anymore on his twitter.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hawg Red on May 07, 2017, 11:24:47 am
Hope this is true I don't see this post anymore on his twitter.

It's still there.
Title: Uhhhh...Nicholas Mason tweet
Post by: Possible Oatmeal on May 07, 2017, 11:40:35 am
https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/860989812899278849

screenshot
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Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: sowmonella on May 07, 2017, 11:46:45 am
Umm who is Nicholas Mason?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Breems on May 07, 2017, 11:54:07 am
Umm who is Nicholas Mason?

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Nicholas Mason tweet
Post by: What's Shakin' Macon on May 07, 2017, 12:49:50 pm
He may end up being right, but I doubt he knows anything.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on May 07, 2017, 01:04:33 pm
More tweets from him...he doesn't know anything definitively.  Hope he is right tho.

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861013592241569792

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861003265537953793

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861001999676002304

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/860999738140884992

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858848525240741888

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858817308248199168

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858385769911787520
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on May 07, 2017, 01:23:41 pm
More tweets from him...he doesn't know anything definitively.  Hope he is right tho.

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861013592241569792

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861003265537953793

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861001999676002304

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/860999738140884992

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858848525240741888

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858817308248199168

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858385769911787520

The tweets from April 29 are irrelevant now. I'm curious why you didn't post anything of his tweets back and forth between him and Barford about 4 on 4 and 5 on 5 games to hundred?

Don't want to show that he is connected?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on May 07, 2017, 01:32:11 pm
The tweets from April 29 are irrelevant now. I'm curious why you didn't post anything of his tweets back and forth between him and Barford about 4 on 4 and 5 on 5 games to hundred?

Don't want to show that he is connected?
Hmmmm...you're clearly trying to pick a fight.

All I did was show more of his tweets.  As you can see from yesterday...even he said he doesn't know for sure.  People are acting like his tweet is official news.  I also said I hope he's right.

I'm aware he is a radio personality as well as a friend to many current and former Hogs. 

What's your issue?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on May 07, 2017, 02:15:39 pm
Mason's texts are encouraging but meaningless. Looking forward to Macon's texts so we can put this to bed
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on May 07, 2017, 02:34:48 pm
Hmmmm...you're clearly trying to pick a fight.

All I did was show more of his tweets.  As you can see from yesterday...even he said he doesn't know for sure.  People are acting like his tweet is official news.  I also said I hope he's right.

I'm aware he is a radio personality as well as a friend to many current and former Hogs. 

What's your issue?

To me it appeared you only picked the tweets that only supported the point you were trying to make. Especially going back to April 29th to disprove his tweet from yesterday. Instead of presenting all sides.

That I have a problem with.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on May 07, 2017, 03:13:51 pm
To me it appeared you only picked the tweets that only supported the point you were trying to make. Especially going back to April 29th to disprove his tweet from yesterday. Instead of presenting all sides.

That I have a problem with.
I posted all the tweets I could find where Nick Mason commented on the subject of Macon/Barford leaving.   

I don't know why anyone would not want Macon back.  I even said I hope Mason is correct in his tweet.  My point is that even Mason said yesterday he doesn't know what he will do...only that he thinks he knows what he will do.  So basically, we are still in the same boat we were before the tweet.

Hopefully Macon ends our suspense soon.  We need both he and Barford back if we want to dance again.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: East TN HAWG on May 07, 2017, 04:07:17 pm
Who said he's not attending classes? Another board "reported" he was. Who has the concrete proof? I'm guessing neither board does.

Its been posted on here that he was not attending class.  I hope its wrong.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on May 07, 2017, 04:59:45 pm
He was going to some classes. He's taking finals.

I posted that already umpteen pages back.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogberry Snortcake on May 07, 2017, 05:04:41 pm
He was going to some classes. He's taking finals.

I posted that already umpteen pages back.

Good to hear.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on May 07, 2017, 05:11:06 pm
It appears as though its you attempting to pick a fight.  All he did was provide information.  Some of which a lot of us have not seen.  I'm appreciative of it over all the life-coach advice I've seen on this thread!

What Nick Mason tweet on April 29 and 30 is irrelevant, considering Nick is in atleast weekly contact with Barford and Macon
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on May 07, 2017, 05:40:59 pm
What Nick Mason tweet on April 29 and 30 is irrelevant, considering Nick is in atleast weekly contact with Barford and Macon
Pretty much EVERY Nick Mason tweet is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: sowmonella on May 07, 2017, 06:36:33 pm
Oh.. Nick Mason. My bad.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Porked Tongue on May 07, 2017, 09:05:28 pm
He's a leech.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Letsroll1200 on May 07, 2017, 09:21:20 pm
Nick Mason's tweets mean more to me than the "dumb", "uninformed", "he's making a mistake", posts I've seen on this thread.  At least he has a finger on the pulse, unlike all the life coaches on here!

This
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: RazorPiggie on May 08, 2017, 06:45:36 am
Why did the Morning Rush bring Mason on as a regular?  Dude is TERRIBLE.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 08, 2017, 08:07:21 am
How the hell can he do that?  I guarantee I make twice what the highest euro guys make.  I'm 42 and still having to work full time for the next 20 years.  He must have played in the NBA some to make that kind of money.

If you make twice as much as the highest euro guy, then first, congrats, then second, if you still have to work full time for the next 20 years, you're not doing something correctly.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 08, 2017, 08:38:52 am
Returning to the subject of Macon, I see in another thread that Qualls is playing in Israel. Do we think Macon is better than Qualls? What is his likely destination if he goes overseas (which we are told a couple of posts ago won't happen anyway)?
I have no idea what Qualls makes, but I am sure him tearing his ACL and then getting arrested for marijuana probably hurt his stock in any league he was trying to get into. The ACL probably more than the other overseas, though.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 08, 2017, 09:14:57 am
But these players won't pay this.  The teams take very good care of them.  They won't pay rent, utilities, gas or for even a car.  All that is part of the deal. 


You again, are assuming that everything is ideal and that all teams follow through.  That all too often, is not the case.  You are making a HUGE leap by grouping all players and all contracts into the same bucket.  A guy that has played in the NBA and a guy that was not drafted or even considered for the draft, will be treated completely differently.  No offense but guys like these are a dime a dozen.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogimus Prime on May 08, 2017, 09:42:31 am
Why did the Morning Rush bring Mason on as a regular?  Dude is TERRIBLE.

Chris Broussard wanted too much
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 08, 2017, 10:53:07 am
You again, are assuming that everything is ideal and that all teams follow through.  That all too often, is not the case.  You are making a HUGE leap by grouping all players and all contracts into the same bucket.  A guy that has played in the NBA and a guy that was not drafted or even considered for the draft, will be treated completely differently.  No offense but guys like these are a dime a dozen.
You have not read ALL my post on this subject have you?  I said that I'm assuming these players have done their due diligence.  If they know they can secure a favorable contract in Europe, then go.  If they cannot, then stay.

Furthermore, in general, most posters think that Euro players are somehow living in poverty.  Maybe a small percentage are, but, again in general, they are well taken care of one way or another.

Now, if these two players have not done their homework and they sign a bad euro contract, that's on them.  If the best they can do is a bad euro contract, they should come back. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Razorbackers on May 08, 2017, 10:54:00 am
He's a leech.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: ShadowHawg on May 08, 2017, 11:28:57 am
Oversaes is a crap shoot unless you play in the biggest leagues. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 08, 2017, 12:30:25 pm
More tweets from him...he doesn't know anything definitively.  Hope he is right tho.

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861013592241569792

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861003265537953793

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/861001999676002304

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/860999738140884992

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858848525240741888

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858817308248199168

https://twitter.com/_ARHoops/status/858385769911787520
To be fair the "is macon coming back?" and "why didnt moses get invited to the combine" tweet was more of a joke to Nabors because that is what everyone asks.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: SONofHAM on May 08, 2017, 12:47:06 pm
To be fair the "is macon coming back?" and "why didnt moses get invited to the combine" tweet was more of a joke to Nabors because that is what everyone asks.
yes...I get that.

Again, I just posted Mason's tweets regarding the topic of the 2 players possibly leaving early over the last ~2 weeks.

Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: jry04 on May 08, 2017, 12:56:12 pm
yes...I get that.

Again, I just posted Mason's tweets regarding the topic of the 2 players possibly leaving early over the last ~2 weeks.


I know what you did. However, that tweet was a joke with Nabors, so was completely irrelevant because it doesn't prove he does or doesn't know anything. Someone who does not understand could read that tweet you posted and not know it was a joke, so I was pointing it out.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: widespreadsooie on May 08, 2017, 08:39:55 pm
Confused and Angry Panda not far from getting in this thread
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Pork Twain on May 09, 2017, 06:10:19 am
You have not read ALL my post on this subject have you?  I said that I'm assuming these players have done their due diligence.  If they know they can secure a favorable contract in Europe, then go.  If they cannot, then stay.

Furthermore, in general, most posters think that Euro players are somehow living in poverty.  Maybe a small percentage are, but, again in general, they are well taken care of one way or another.

Now, if these two players have not done their homework and they sign a bad euro contract, that's on them.  If the best they can do is a bad euro contract, they should come back. 
Who has time to read all of anyone's posts...  I would never assume an 18-23 year old has done their due diligence.  That is error #1. 

I doubt you actually know how most European players are taken care of.  It takes several players to make a team and you might have read or read about a few players.  That leaves the majority that you nor I have ever heard a peep about.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: mizzouman on May 09, 2017, 08:09:06 am
Who has time to read all of anyone's posts...  I would never assume an 18-23 year old has done their due diligence.  That is error #1. 

I doubt you actually know how most European players are taken care of.  It takes several players to make a team and you might have read or read about a few players.  That leaves the majority that you nor I have ever heard a peep about.
If you don't have the time to read what I say, then how can you judge what I wrote?

That's like reading one sentence in a chapter and thinking you know that entire book.

The bottom line is this:

These two, like every other player contemplating this, need to do their due diligence.  If they can sign a good contract, go.  If they cannot, then stay. 

If they don't do their research, that's on them.  Nothing you nor I can do about that.

Lastly, everyone thinks Euro guys are taking advantage off and live a destitute life.  Maybe a small handful, but most do not. 



Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on May 09, 2017, 08:42:57 am
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on May 09, 2017, 09:03:49 am
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Karma on May 09, 2017, 09:34:39 am
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Macon pass out at 31 Flavors last night.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: King Kong on May 09, 2017, 09:37:28 am
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.

We to start an argument and then
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on May 09, 2017, 10:08:59 am
We to start an argument and then

Macon needs to lobby NCAA for a 5th year of eligibility and stay 2 more years.  Statistics show people with a masters degree earn 20% more than people with a bachelor's degree. 
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hog-Corleone on May 09, 2017, 10:10:30 am
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.

I heard it was 10-12 pages.  So.... He's coming back for sure now...
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: bvillepig on May 09, 2017, 02:05:16 pm
I heard it was 10-12 pages.  So.... He's coming back for sure now...

I heard 14
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: Hogberry Snortcake on May 09, 2017, 04:29:55 pm
I heard 14

Naw. Needs to get even Biggers.
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: PintailKiller on May 09, 2017, 04:57:25 pm
How the hell can he do that?  I guarantee I make twice what the highest euro guys make.  I'm 42 and still having to work full time for the next 20 years.  He must have played in the NBA some to make that kind of money.


Great - you make over 3.$M euros/ year.  Why work another 20?
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: TNhawgfan on May 09, 2017, 05:08:56 pm
New Rumor I'm hearing is that Macon will come back if this thread makes it to 15 pages.
But only if it's 15 pages about him. Pages about former mizzou players in the euro league don't count
Title: Re: Uhhhh...Macon tweet
Post by: FineAsSwine on May 09, 2017, 05:28:00 pm
But only if it's 15 pages about him. Pages about former mizzou players in the euro league don't count

Definitely!