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Title: Jucos Returning
Post by: thehill1414 on March 19, 2017, 09:44:49 pm
Dudley just posted an article and Barford was quoted at the end of it.

I guess its good we showed the entire country what we were all about, Barford said. We have a lot returning, and we will be back next year.

Sounds like Macon and Barford both will be returning. Thank goodness.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: WorfHog on March 19, 2017, 09:47:46 pm
JUCO's take half a year to get going and very few leave early.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: onebadrubi on March 19, 2017, 09:48:02 pm
Those comments are made an extremely emotional time.  We've seen comments like that made before and decisions changed later.  Give it time, but we all hope they return.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: factchecker on March 19, 2017, 09:48:41 pm
When is the deadline to declare?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: thehill1414 on March 19, 2017, 09:49:40 pm
Macon apparently would not comment on the question of whether he is returning. Agreed that it is an emotional reaction, but sure hope they return!
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 19, 2017, 09:52:00 pm
It would be a mistake if either one of them left. Would be some bad advice from someone.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: The_Iceman on March 19, 2017, 09:52:05 pm
Macon apparently would not comment on the question of whether he is returning. Agreed that it is an emotional reaction, but sure hope they return!

Where the hell is he gonna go?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on March 19, 2017, 09:52:09 pm
That's good.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: TebowHater on March 19, 2017, 09:53:30 pm
Those comments are made an extremely emotional time.  We've seen comments like that made before and decisions changed later.  Give it time, but we all hope they return.

Correct, even BP said he was staying in the post game PC after last UNC loss.

Macon apparently would not comment on the question of whether he is returning. Agreed that it is an emotional reaction, but sure hope they return!

Yikes.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 09:54:09 pm
Where the hell is he gonna go?
Our fans do this every year with any decent player for some reason. Macon has absolutely no chance of being drafted. He will not even be invited to the combine. Solid college player with room to grow into a potential 2nd round pick. If he wants to make a living overseas then he can leave and do just that. If his goal is to make the NBA like he has stated many times, then he is staying to work on his game. There is zero reason to believe he or Barford are leaving.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 19, 2017, 09:54:45 pm
Correct, even BP said he was staying in the post game PC after last UNC loss.

Yikes.
Neither one of these guys would be a first round pick. Would be lucky to get drafted...
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 09:54:55 pm
Correct, even BP said he was staying in the post game PC after last UNC loss.

Yikes.
BP was also projected a first round draft pick from day 1 of his second season.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: dhizzle on March 19, 2017, 09:59:14 pm
People do crazy things. They should return, but Europe pays pretty good. I hope they know they are not going  nba. We need players to stick around to do anything worth a damn in the tournament.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: The_Bionic_Pig on March 19, 2017, 10:01:08 pm
They are going to summit their names without signing with a agent to be evaluated. 

99.9999% chance of a return
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 19, 2017, 10:02:05 pm
We will indeed have to sweat Macon and Barford out until it's official they are returning or leaving. Remember, players are now allowed to enter the draft and truly get evaluated now, so do not be surprised if one or both enter to get feedback like Moses did. But I feel like, in year's past, we usually had a good idea if a guy was going to leave early. We knew with B.J. and Marshawn. Beverley was an academic issue. I honestly don't remember if there was an intution on Olu or Fortson. Qualls was somewhat of a surprise, though there were rumblings that he was considering going pro for family reasons after his sophomore year.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RaisinHog on March 19, 2017, 10:02:22 pm
Guys .. with the new system where guys can go for evaluation we will see much less of guys makeing bad decisions like bj young and qualls and Scotty did..
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on March 19, 2017, 10:02:46 pm
They are going to summit their names without signing with a agent to be evaluated. 

99.9999% chance of a return

This is good. If we return everyone next year will be fun.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: onebadrubi on March 19, 2017, 10:04:37 pm
Odds are we lose one, just always been that way
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 10:05:59 pm
We will indeed have to sweat Macon and Barford out until it's official they are returning or leaving. Remember, players are now allowed to enter the draft and truly get evaluated now, so do not be surprised if one or both enter to get feedback like Moses did. But I feel like, in year's past, we usually had a good idea if a guy was going to leave early. We knew with B.J. and Marshawn. Beverley was an academic issue. I honestly don't remember if there was an intution on Olu or Fortson. Qualls was somewhat of a surprise, though there were rumblings that he was considering going pro for family reasons after his sophomore year.
When neither get a combine invite, we will know they are returning for sure.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on March 19, 2017, 10:06:38 pm
Our fans do this every year with any decent player for some reason. Macon has absolutely no chance of being drafted. He will not even be invited to the combine. Solid college player with room to grow into a potential 2nd round pick. If he wants to make a living overseas then he can leave and do just that. If his goal is to make the NBA like he has stated many times, then he is staying to work on his game. There is zero reason to believe he or Barford are leaving.

But it's Arkansas basketball. We have had several guys make terrible decisions. Portis is the only one who had a legit NBA reason.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: The_Bionic_Pig on March 19, 2017, 10:06:50 pm
Odds are we lose one, just always been that way

If that one listens to a relative instead of NBA reps/trainer's
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on March 19, 2017, 10:07:00 pm
They are going to summit their names without signing with a agent to be evaluated. 

99.9999% chance of a return

Yeah this is what I was thinking.  Mo did the same thing last year.  Find out where you fall, what you might need to improve on.

Do think it's not a great time to ask kids these questions.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: MtPorker on March 19, 2017, 10:07:57 pm
they may leave, but neither will be drafted. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Letsroll1200 on March 19, 2017, 10:09:11 pm
Where the hell is he gonna go?

Didn't even make all SEC first or second team. I don't think our fans watch the games or NBA level talent.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RaisinHog on March 19, 2017, 10:11:31 pm
IL put it this way if they do leave .. they will do so knowing they are most likely going over seas and I can't see either of them not being more competitive than that !
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: woo.pig on March 19, 2017, 10:27:32 pm
NBA is not the only pro league. You can make a heck of a living playing over seas.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on March 19, 2017, 10:29:22 pm
Dudley just posted an article and Barford was quoted at the end of it.

I guess its good we showed the entire country what we were all about, Barford said. We have a lot returning, and we will be back next year.

Sounds like Macon and Barford both will be returning. Thank goodness.

Would be a real bummer if one or both left.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 10:30:40 pm
But it's Arkansas basketball. We have had several guys make terrible decisions. Portis is the only one who had a legit NBA reason.
The other guys also did not have the ability to apply for the combine, participate in the combine, and then stay or withdraw based on the feedback. They may be content with playing overseas. My guess is they both want to be drafted, though.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Wooderson on March 19, 2017, 10:31:31 pm
They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: mbgrulz on March 19, 2017, 10:33:41 pm
They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.
They could...but if their goal is the NBA (and big boy $) they should stay in school.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 10:34:42 pm
They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.
You do not watch much college basketball outside of Arkansas, or the NBA if you think Barford is a lock to get drafted in the 2nd round. They are both so far off the radar as of now that neither are projected to get drafted next year. Moses is currently projected a late 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Wooderson on March 19, 2017, 10:36:12 pm
Save my post. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 19, 2017, 10:36:33 pm
They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.

Hardly. They will evaluate him before they just draft a guy based on a few weeks of play.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 10:38:05 pm
Save my post.
Gladly. He has 2 options, and only 2 options. Stay and work his way into the draft next year, or leave and play overseas after going undrafted.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HogFoo on March 19, 2017, 10:39:53 pm
They could both go overseas and make a great living and who knows, didn't patrick beverly go overseas before making his triumphant return to the NBA?  I think Macon comes back, and Barford is gone .  I believe he has a little baby to provide for.  Same with Qualls. Thats why he left and i dont think it was academics with Beverly when he left back in the day, he too also had a child on the way if i remember correctly.  Lot's that know they dont have  a NBA game but can still make a good paycheck will do just that especially if they have a kid.  I cant blame them either.  If they want to go to spain or europ somewhere and make 100,000 a year +  while playing a game.   Must be nice.   
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Letsroll1200 on March 19, 2017, 10:41:21 pm
They could both go overseas and make a great living and who knows, didn't patrick beverly go overseas before making his triumphant return to the NBA?  I think Macon comes back, and Barford is gone .  I believe he has a little baby to provide for.  Same with Qualls. Thats why he left and i dont think it was academics with Beverly when he left back in the day, he too also had a child on the way if i remember correctly.  Lot's that know they dont have  a NBA game but can still make a good paycheck will do just that especially if they have a kid.  I cant blame them either.  If they want to go to spain or europ somewhere and make 100,000 a year +  while playing a game.   Must be nice.

He had a child before coming to Arkansas
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HogFoo on March 19, 2017, 10:42:35 pm
Hardly. They will evaluate him before they just draft a guy based on a few weeks of play.
Barford was the top scorer in Juco ranks before coming to the UA and then midseason he started to show glimpses of that same scoring ability.  I dont think it's enough to make an NBA team use a pick on him, but , it is good enough to make a euro team pay several 100k for his talents.   And he does have a child to provide for.  So, that may look like a good option for him.  I think if he and Macon both stayed that next year they both would be preseason all SEC.  And i think both would be great players next year.  We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 19, 2017, 10:44:40 pm
They could both go overseas and make a great living and who knows, didn't patrick beverly go overseas before making his triumphant return to the NBA?  I think Macon comes back, and Barford is gone .  I believe he has a little baby to provide for.  Same with Qualls. Thats why he left and i dont think it was academics with Beverly when he left back in the day, he too also had a child on the way if i remember correctly.  Lot's that know they dont have  a NBA game but can still make a good paycheck will do just that especially if they have a kid.  I cant blame them either.  If they want to go to spain or europ somewhere and make 100,000 a year +  while playing a game.   Must be nice.
PBev was suspended for a full season so he left. Qualls was early 2nd, with potential for late 1st with a good combine showing. Barford's kid survived a year with him playing, so I am sure one more year will be alright. If he leaves I will not blame him. The only thing I am saying with 100% certainty is he will not be drafted. No chance. Anyone who says he will is a homer. I had this same argument with half the board last year about Moses and nailed it. I will nail it this year, too, although it doesn't take much more than common sense to know neither will be drafted.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 19, 2017, 10:46:19 pm
Qualls wasn't leaving if he could only go over seas.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 19, 2017, 10:47:11 pm
NBA is not the only pro league. You can make a heck of a living playing over seas.

Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RaisinHog on March 19, 2017, 10:47:16 pm
As far as haveing a kid goes .. the kid isn't a lil baby he has provided for them this long it can wait another year .. idk if they will come back or not .. but there is honestly little reason to believe they want return ...
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on March 19, 2017, 10:49:16 pm
As far as haveing a kid goes .. the kid isn't a lil baby he has provided for them this long it can wait another year .. idk if they will come back or not .. but there is honestly little reason to believe they want return ...

Other than them talking about being one and done in the preseason.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: moses_007 on March 19, 2017, 11:00:12 pm
I don't see any player on this team making it in the NBA.  Moses might be drafted, but I highly doubt he can cut it.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ChicoHog on March 19, 2017, 11:03:09 pm
NBA is not the only pro league. You can make a heck of a living playing over seas.
Exactly.  Many guys just don't want to go to school.  They would rather play basketball anywhere they can, get paid and not go to class.  I have no idea where Macon and Barford stand on their schooling, if they want to graduate or not, but for many kids it's more important for them to make money because they think short term instead of long term.  Let's hope they get good advice to come back next season. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: factchecker on March 19, 2017, 11:06:13 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/843641245524201472/s22ESfre?format=jpg&name=600x314)

IF you want them to stay then do whatever you can to lift them up.  They are hurting right now.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: moses_007 on March 19, 2017, 11:10:40 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/843641245524201472/s22ESfre?format=jpg&name=600x314)

IF you want them to stay then do whatever you can to lift them up.  They are hurting right now.
We hurt right along with them.  Sad night for our team and our fans.  We were so close.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: BannerMountainMan on March 19, 2017, 11:26:20 pm
Odds are we lose one, just always been that way
good thing Macon get Barford to come here and now Barford is gonna keep Macon here
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 07:40:47 am
Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.

To my point:

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/843724335458258944
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: The Boar War on March 20, 2017, 08:06:57 am
Dudley just posted an article and Barford was quoted at the end of it.

I guess its good we showed the entire country what we were all about, Barford said. We have a lot returning, and we will be back next year.

Sounds like Macon and Barford both will be returning. Thank goodness.

We doesn't always mean that he will actually suit up for the Razorbacks next year.  It may be that he just sees himself as a part of the bigger whole.  For example if Macon said this:

This is good. If we return everyone next year will be fun.

you might assume that Daryl is definitely on the team next year and is hoping that others are going to stay as well.  I'm just going to go ahead and guess that Hollywood_HOGan45 isn't a current player or a recruit (not making fun of the poster I refer to the Hogs as we all the time).
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Arthur pigby sellers. on March 20, 2017, 08:15:32 am
I think the euro league pays between $60 to just over $100 k per year. Qualls is in Israel so I assume he is making quite a bit less. Minimum NBA salary in high $600's, so I year in the NBA is equal to a career in Europe. Playing bball is fun but I'm not sure making $30-40k to play in Israel or Turkey is really better then getting a college degree. If I was in that spot it's a no brainer to stay in school work hard get a degree and go for the NBA,  if I didn't have a child at that age either.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Peter Porker on March 20, 2017, 08:23:24 am
BP was also projected a first round draft pick from day 1 of his second season.

So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: pigasaurus on March 20, 2017, 08:27:51 am
So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?

Maybe because Anderson and Co. were led to believe he and Q was coming back.  If I remember correctly, it was the belief just weeks before they announced.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Dominicanhog on March 20, 2017, 08:29:14 am
They are going to summit their names without signing with a agent to be evaluated. 

99.9999% chance of a return

I agree.. more or less...
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: latrops on March 20, 2017, 08:31:56 am
Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.

You mean Hogville isn't as knowledgeable about foreign basketball leagues as they claim?  Every halfway decent Razorback isn't a lock for hundreds of thousands overseas?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on March 20, 2017, 08:50:03 am
We doesn't always mean that he will actually suit up for the Razorbacks next year.  It may be that he just sees himself as a part of the bigger whole.  For example if Macon said this:

you might assume that Daryl is definitely on the team next year and is hoping that others are going to stay as well.  I'm just going to go ahead and guess that Hollywood_HOGan45 isn't a current player or a recruit (not making fun of the poster I refer to the Hogs as we all the time).

Sorry, yes it's a habit.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: GuvHog on March 20, 2017, 08:51:29 am
PBev was suspended for a full season so he left. Qualls was early 2nd, with potential for late 1st with a good combine showing. Barford's kid survived a year with him playing, so I am sure one more year will be alright. If he leaves I will not blame him. The only thing I am saying with 100% certainty is he will not be drafted. No chance. Anyone who says he will is a homer. I had this same argument with half the board last year about Moses and nailed it. I will nail it this year, too, although it doesn't take much more than common sense to know neither will be drafted.

If I remember correctly, Pat Beverly was not suspended, he was expelled from the University for cheating on tests.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 09:19:41 am
So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
Not sure why you quoted me because I never said that. I also do not see how that is relevant to the discussion.

Besides, keep Kapita and do not have any suspensions last season and it is easy to see we had potential to be a bubble team. We lost like 5 games with 7 players due to 2 suspended, 1 kicked off, and Kapita not qualifying. Still went 16-16(9-9). Add Kapita and Jacorey, and play all season with a full roster and we probably win 3-4 more games.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 09:20:49 am
If I remember correctly, Pat Beverly was not suspended, he was expelled from the University for cheating on tests.
Which in return, suspends him from the basketball team for a season. It was not tests, either. He used a paper that was not his own.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HF#1 on March 20, 2017, 09:27:48 am
When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 09:37:46 am
When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.
and then followed that up with we just lost a game to end our season, I do not want to talk about anything else so please stop asking questions. Barford proceeded to say we will be good next year with everyone we return plus bring in. Macon could leave, but he has always talked like his dream is to make the NBA. That dream is all but over if he leaves this year.


Before, guys would not always listen to the proper advice because they were not given as much feedback. Now, you basically get told from the NBA whether to stay or go through combine invites and combine feedback. If you do not listen to them, then you are to blame, not anyone in your ear.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: bosshog84 on March 20, 2017, 09:45:54 am
Neither one of these guys would be a first round pick. Would be lucky to get drafted...

Much less a second round pick
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 09:50:09 am
I think if both of these guys are good to go in the classroom (something people often don't consider), they'll go ahead and enter their names in the draft to get feedback and workout for teams if offered the chance, and ultimately return if the do not receive an invite to the combine in Chicago (which they do not figure to like Moses last year). Either one of these guys could be the SEC Player of the Year next year, so I can't see them walking about if the feedback they get is that they'll likely be undrafted. Unless they don't have the grades, that is.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 10:00:44 am
I think if both of these guys are good to go in the classroom (something people often don't consider), they'll go ahead and enter their names in the draft to get feedback and workout for teams if offered the chance, and ultimately return if the do not receive an invite to the combine in Chicago (which they do not figure to like Moses last year). Either one of these guys could be the SEC Player of the Year next year, so I can't see them walking about if the feedback they get is that they'll likely be undrafted. Unless they don't have the grades, that is.
This is exactly how it will play out barring bad grades. Everyone will freak out that they are gone like they did when Moses entered. Neither will be invited to the combine more than likely. If one is invited we will have reason to worry.


Just to compare, guys like Melo Trimble, Nigel Williams-Goss, and Frank Mason are currently projected to go in the bottom half of the 2nd round. If anyone on here thinks our guys are in their league right now, then you have not watched enough basketball.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hogdomer on March 20, 2017, 10:24:22 am
Much less a second round pick

There are only two rounds.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 10:31:33 am
There are only two rounds.
Yes, which means he thinks he goes undrafted. He is right in his assessment.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Karma on March 20, 2017, 10:32:47 am
Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 10:50:28 am
Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.

Seems like the kind of player who does well in the Australian league. Believe Rotnei had some good success down there. Terrance Ferguson played down their this season after he couldn't get eligible for college. I'm assuming the pay is okay, but it'd be pretty fun to live down their for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: zebradynasty on March 20, 2017, 12:24:32 pm
I like both players but to be honest the number of 6-2 to 6-4 players trying to get in the NBA is too many to count! With only a few rounds teams really have to be careful with their picks. So smallish 2 guards better be outstanding to draft. I hope no one is in their ear telling them to declare this year or if they are that these kids don't listen.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HogFoo on March 20, 2017, 12:51:08 pm
and then followed that up with we just lost a game to end our season, I do not want to talk about anything else so please stop asking questions. Barford proceeded to say we will be good next year with everyone we return plus bring in. Macon could leave, but he has always talked like his dream is to make the NBA. That dream is all but over if he leaves this year.


Before, guys would not always listen to the proper advice because they were not given as much feedback. Now, you basically get told from the NBA whether to stay or go through combine invites and combine feedback. If you do not listen to them, then you are to blame, not anyone in your ear.
It would be nice if the NFL would also do this.  And if the NCAA allowed the kids who werent drafted to come back to school.  Bielema was trying to spearhead some rules to allow this but i am not sure how far it got.  Imagine if Denver Kirkland had been allowed to come back after not being drafted ?   Our OLine would have been pretty dang good,  Kirkland undoubtedly would have been a 3rd round (at least) OL draft  i am guessing.  It would have helped the kid, it would have helped the UA, it would have helped everyone.  I cant really see a negative by not allowing the NFL kids that dont get drafted to come back to school.  But, since it might possibly help the kid, the NCAA isn't going to do it.  That's about how they operate.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:44:41 pm
NBA is not the only pro league. You can make a heck of a living playing over seas.
Sure, but I don't know many that REALLY want to go play overseas. Unless of course that is their only option after graduation or unless they come from overseas somewhere in the first place.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:46:01 pm
They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.
Barford is not getting drafted after this year period. Sorry. If he works on his 3 point shot he definitely has a chance at be drafted after next year.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:47:26 pm
Save my post.
Are you an NBA agent or GM or something?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:50:27 pm
Other than them talking about being one and done in the preseason.
Are either one and done type players?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:51:06 pm
I don't see any player on this team making it in the NBA.  Moses might be drafted, but I highly doubt he can cut it.
That means Mike should be the coach of the year then huh?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:54:30 pm
So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
I think his loyalty to the state is the reason it caught CMA and others off guard. For that reason most thought he would stay another year. Hell, Corliss did after winning a NC and he was much better than Bobby.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 03:56:16 pm
It doesn't make all that much sense to leave school early to play overseas unless, I guess, you just really hate school or really need some kind of income outside of welfare/financial aid money. If that's what your outlook looks like, why not come back for another year and try to up your NBA stock or even your general professional basketball stock? Rookies do not make life-changing money overseas. I've already illustrated that some pro teams sometimes don't even pay their players. Game checks bounce. I remember last summer reading a player on Twitter say he didn't get paid for entire season overseas! This stuff really happens. The overseas leagues also value maturity more than the NBA. The NBA wants to get players young and mold them how they want. Overseas teams want players that are ready to play and already developed. They junior clubs to develop young players, so in a foreign player, they want someone who can already play. Unlike the NBA, playing that senior season and coming overseas at 22 instead of 21 is actually more attractive to those teams.

There is no way Barford, shooting less than 27% from 3 at 6'3, is going to be an NBA draft pick. We should have all learned this lesson with B.J. Young (I know I did). He's got to shoot better and show better playmaking/decision-making ability to be considered a draft candidate.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 03:58:37 pm
Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.
Wherever Rotnei Clark or Jimmer Fredette is playing.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Sportster365 on March 20, 2017, 04:08:28 pm
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RaisinHog on March 20, 2017, 04:38:27 pm
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

O boy..
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: hawgfan4life on March 20, 2017, 04:50:30 pm
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

I despise Monk and Fox for no other reason than being at KY.  I love AR players.  My love and disdain still allow me to objectively see that Monk and Fox are ferraris and our players are cadillacs, Monk and Fox are Thoroughbreds and our players are Quarter Horses, they are steak and shrimp and we are a good spaghetti dinner, and etc...
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: SPAL on March 20, 2017, 04:53:30 pm
Didn't even make all SEC first or second team. I don't think our fans watch the games or NBA level talent.

Has little to do with whether or not hog fans think they are NBA talents and so much to do with our history of losing key players at inopportune times to the draft without much if a reason to enter.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: bphi11ips on March 20, 2017, 05:17:06 pm
According to the U.S. Dept. Of Labor, college graduates earn an average of 61% more per year than those without degrees.  There is life after basketball. The European League will be there when these guys graduate.  A great senior year will help with a shot at the NBA draft.

I have been very impressed with Barfield and Macon and think they'll be back.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: bulldog04 on March 20, 2017, 05:46:57 pm
https://twitter.com/jbarford1/status/843891829355495424
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: King Kong on March 20, 2017, 06:26:43 pm
BP was also projected a first round draft pick from day 1 of his second season.

As soon as Portis grew 2 inches between his Fr and Soph year he became a 1st round guy.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ErieHog on March 20, 2017, 06:51:05 pm
Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.

Israel, Iceland, or the second tier Russia/Italy/Greece leagues.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 20, 2017, 07:26:33 pm
As soon as Portis grew 2 inches between his Fr and Soph year he became a 1st round guy.
He was listed at 6'10" on ESPN entering college. He was listed at 6'11" by the U of A, which was an inch taller, like every college team does on their roster. He was measured at 6'9" 3/4 at the combine.

Also, he was projected a 1st round pick after his freshman year, but it was late. The feedback told him he would be a lottery pick if he worked on certain aspects, and was projected a lottery pick his entire sophomore year. He fell in the draft, but was  expected to be a 1st even after his freshman year.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ICEman on March 20, 2017, 07:55:36 pm
Check to see if Barford and Macon are attending class and making passable grades.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: East Clintwood on March 20, 2017, 09:20:48 pm
Dudley just posted an article and Barford was quoted at the end of it.

I guess its good we showed the entire country what we were all about, Barford said. We have a lot returning, and we will be back next year.

Sounds like Macon and Barford both will be returning. Thank goodness.


I took that comment to mean that Arkansas will be back next year, not any specific individual player.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RazorPiggie on March 20, 2017, 10:02:40 pm
I'm not sure anyone on this team will make an NBA roster. If any underclassmen leave then that's just dumb.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Peter Porker on March 21, 2017, 06:10:45 am
I think his loyalty to the state is the reason it caught CMA and others off guard. For that reason most though he would stay another year. Hell, Corliss did after winning a NC and he was much better than Bobby.


There weren't any one and dones or even two and dones back then.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: onebadrubi on March 21, 2017, 09:27:21 am
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Oh the irony in your post compared to when you post in the football section, it's mental.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: King Kong on March 21, 2017, 09:32:10 am
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Ok. Well fortunately for us the People that get paid to scout these guys don't agree with you
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Big Nasty 34 on March 21, 2017, 09:41:32 am
Check to see if Barford and Macon are attending class and making passable grades.

How do you propose we do that? lol
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: King Kong on March 21, 2017, 09:45:22 am
He was listed at 6'10" on ESPN entering college. He was listed at 6'11" by the U of A, which was an inch taller, like every college team does on their roster. He was measured at 6'9" 3/4 at the combine.

Also, he was projected a 1st round pick after his freshman year, but it was late. The feedback told him he would be a lottery pick if he worked on certain aspects, and was projected a lottery pick his entire sophomore year. He fell in the draft, but was  expected to be a 1st even after his freshman year.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Portis-7167/?pt=2

6'9" with shoes at the Hoops Summit in 2013. 6' 10.5" NBA draft.

He was a projected borderline first rounder by some websites. However, every year kids that start in the last first round projections end up late second round or undrafted after all the workouts have been completed and the actual draft takes place
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: PoormansRobbyHampton on March 21, 2017, 09:49:21 am
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Wow.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Karma on March 21, 2017, 10:35:32 am
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.
The people that get paid to make those evaluations HIGHLY disagree with you.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: RazorPiggie on March 21, 2017, 10:42:38 am
Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

You cannot be serious.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 21, 2017, 11:25:02 am

There weren't any one and dones or even two and dones back then.
Nope, he could have gone straight out of high school. Your point being...
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 21, 2017, 11:26:10 am
You cannot be serious.
He is. That's the scary part.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Sportster365 on March 21, 2017, 02:12:50 pm
If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 21, 2017, 02:22:35 pm
Nope, he could have gone straight out of high school. Your point being...

His point, very clearly, is that the culture was very different then. NBA teams were not investing nearly as heavily into younger players. The mid '90s were the final years of the NBA preferring upperclassmen. Corliss could have entered the NBA out of high school. So could have Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, etc. but the fact still remains that there was a pretty big gap between HS seniors being drafted when Garnett was drafted in 1995. The times were different. That's the point. Garnett and Kobe changed things.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HamIAm on March 21, 2017, 02:24:28 pm
When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.

Macon also said, paraphrasing, "why are you asking me this?  We just finished a tough loss and you are wanting comments on that?"

In other words Macon has been focused on the season.  He hasn't been spending a lot of time on what he will do next year, but the press wanted a statement right then.  That's not a fair question to Macon.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: phadedhawg on March 21, 2017, 02:35:54 pm
If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.

Maybe...but not necessarily.  Arkansas has a history of losing player eligibility when the wrong player leaves school at the wrong time.  Heck it probably happens to all schools but there is a long list of kids who played for us and left too soon and didn't make it to the NBA.

I think our fan base just kinda expects it to happen now.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 21, 2017, 02:37:19 pm
https://twitter.com/jbarford1/status/843891829355495424

Please tell me he really didn't write that?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: FineAsSwine on March 21, 2017, 02:52:13 pm
Please tell me he really didn't write that?

A possible interpretation could be that he's saying "we gone", as in, from the tournament. The "be back" part is a akin to a note posted on a closed business notifying you of an unexpected departure from which they will return soon. (to the tournament in this case).  ;)

I think the "We Hogs" is self explanatory.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 21, 2017, 03:14:44 pm
A possible interpretation could be that he's saying "we gone", as in, from the tournament. The "be back" part is a akin to a note posted on a closed business notifying you of an unexpected departure from which they will return soon. (to the tournament in this case).  ;)

I think the "We Hogs" is self explanatory.

Conjugation.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 21, 2017, 03:56:58 pm
If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.
It's an Arkansas and hogville thing. That's all.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 21, 2017, 04:04:42 pm
His point, very clearly, is that the culture was very different then. NBA teams were not investing nearly as heavily into younger players. The mid '90s were the final years of the NBA preferring upperclassmen. Corliss could have entered the NBA out of high school. So could have Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, etc. but the fact still remains that there was a pretty big gap between HS seniors being drafted when Garnett was drafted in 1995. The times were different. That's the point. Garnett and Kobe changed things.
No doubt it's a different time. More money involved. I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with staying in school and getting your degree or getting an extra year of seasoning if your not projected in the lottery or the 1st round of the upcoming draft. Or to be drafted at all. As a matter of fact it's the smart thing to do depending on your situation I guess.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Fayettetopia on March 21, 2017, 05:18:51 pm
It means "we are gonna" (We gon' be back).
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: 20gauge on March 21, 2017, 05:50:03 pm
Isnt there supposed to be a semi pro league starting up in the US. Salaries starting in the low six figures?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Temprees on March 21, 2017, 06:08:37 pm
Maybe...but not necessarily.  Arkansas has a history of losing player eligibility when the wrong player leaves school at the wrong time.  Heck it probably happens to all schools but there is a long list of kids who played for us and left too soon and didn't make it to the NBA.

I think our fan base just kinda expects it to happen now.
I can think of Scotty Thurman, B.J. Young, Powell, Michael Qualls, and who else?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 21, 2017, 06:24:07 pm
I can think of Scotty Thurman, B.J. Young, Powell, Michael Qualls, and who else?

Darnell Robinson, Olu Famutimi, Fortson
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: phadedhawg on March 21, 2017, 06:34:19 pm
I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness? 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: GuvHog on March 21, 2017, 06:34:56 pm
Darnell Robinson, Olu Famutimi, Fortson

Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: jry04 on March 21, 2017, 06:48:30 pm
Isnt there supposed to be a semi pro league starting up in the US. Salaries starting in the low six figures?
Yeah, until the former Hog running it was exposed for the fraud he is.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: PonderinHog on March 21, 2017, 09:30:37 pm
I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?
Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: rude1 on March 21, 2017, 09:45:31 pm
Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.
WRONG AGAIN Guv. Darnell Robinson was drafted in the second round by the Dallas Mavericks, but he did NOT play in the NBA.....
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: pigasaurus on March 21, 2017, 09:58:03 pm
I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness? 
Speed and not considered NBA level defense if I remember correctly. A lot was timing. If he and Corliss leave after winning NC, he gets drafted. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Breems on March 21, 2017, 10:08:50 pm
Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.

Like Iraq where you hear gunfire and explosions next to the gym:


That video has some interesting stuff and also reinforces that Henderson is nuts.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 22, 2017, 06:53:28 am
No doubt it's a different time. More money involved. I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with staying in school and getting your degree or getting an extra year or seasoning if your not projected in the lottery or the 1st round of the upcoming draft. Or to be drafted at all. As a matter of fact it's the smart thing to do depending on your situation I guess.

I don't think there is anything wrong with players like Qualls, Barford, etc. staying in school for 4 years because they're fringe NBA prospects, so being developed and prepared is to their advantage. For players like Portis, Robert Williams, etc. that are guaranteed first round picks, I think they really risk a lot of if they stay in school past their sophomore season. That's when scouts can tend to really start picking apart their games or building biases against them for whatever reason. So for a perceived "top talent," I think most of them should really be playing 2 years in college instead of just one. Everyone else probably needs to stay 3-4 years. I thought Portis got out at the right time, honestly. Qualls took a big risk and the worst case scenario happened for him. But some guys just don't like school, and that's a factor, too. I think B.J. Young and Fortson were like that.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 22, 2017, 08:31:47 am
I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?

+1000

I thought Thurman was a lock to get drafted within the first two rounds.  He had an excellent shot and I thought he would have been a great good sized shooting guard in the NBA.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hawg Red on March 22, 2017, 08:45:13 am
I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?

I was young, too, but I know that if he was truly good enough, he'd have caught on somewhere, somehow. He just wasn't a special player, as crazy as that may seem. And he couldn't come up with a way to differentiate himself, I suppose. He had a shot with the New Jersey Nets and nothing came of it. 6'6 SG who can hit the 3, there were/are a lot of guys that fit that bill vying for NBA spots. Gotta have more than that in your toolbox to get a real look.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 22, 2017, 09:13:58 am
Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed.
Foot speed was the main concern with him. The pigeon toed thing, not sure if that had an affect. Funny though... ;D
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 22, 2017, 09:17:49 am
I don't think there is anything wrong with players like Qualls, Barford, etc. staying in school for 4 years because they're fringe NBA prospects, so being developed and prepared is to their advantage. For players like Portis, Robert Williams, etc. that are guaranteed first round picks, I think they really risk a lot of if they stay in school past their sophomore season. That's when scouts can tend to really start picking apart their games or building biases against them for whatever reason. So for a perceived "top talent," I think most of them should really be playing 2 years in college instead of just one. Everyone else probably needs to stay 3-4 years. I thought Portis got out at the right time, honestly. Qualls took a big risk and the worst case scenario happened for him. But some guys just don't like school, and that's a factor, too. I think B.J. Young and Fortson were like that.
I agree with all of this. Especially the part in bold print. I know I didn't like school and was ready to go make my own money. But if I had to do it over again I would have gone to school. I tell my son that all the time. Sacrifice a few more years and make it as easy as you can on yourself.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: PonderinHog on March 22, 2017, 09:31:05 am
Foot speed was the main concern with him. The pigeon toed thing, not sure if that had an affect. Funny though... ;D
I think it was actually mentioned back then.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hog_Swanson on March 22, 2017, 10:07:09 am
Yeah, until the former Hog running it was exposed for the fraud he is.
What former hog?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: azhog10 on March 22, 2017, 10:08:17 am
What former hog?
Glendon Alexander? Or should I say Cerruti Brown......lol
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 22, 2017, 11:49:40 am
I think it was actually mentioned back then.
What? That's crazy. He is pigeon toed though. Not sure how much it affects his ability to play basketball though.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: phadedhawg on March 22, 2017, 12:15:06 pm
Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed. 

Now that you say that I do remember the pigeon toe issue being mentioned.  I just forgot. 

Maybe he didn't have the physical attributes to separate him from the pack but he just seemed to understand the game on a high level.  "The Shot" I knew it was going in. 
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Hog_Swanson on March 22, 2017, 12:51:22 pm
Glendon Alexander? Or should I say Cerruti Brown......lol
Just googled him.  That's one shady MF'er.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Rock City Razorback on March 22, 2017, 01:22:13 pm
Macon is going to return. He'll be the emotional leader next year. He has a lot of passion and the always shows, which I like. He sees opportunity next year, and I fully expect him to seize it. As others have said, it was a tough time to ask that question because he was still in the moment of the loss.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: FineAsSwine on March 22, 2017, 01:25:31 pm
Macon is going to return. He'll be the emotional leader next year. He has a lot of passion and the always shows, which I like. He sees opportunity next year, and I fully expect him to seize it. As others have said, it was a tough time to ask that question because he was still in the moment of the loss.

I think he will keep us in suspense for a while and then announce that he is coming back.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Rock City Razorback on March 22, 2017, 02:58:19 pm
I think he will keep us in suspense for a while and then announce that he is coming back.

As do I. Everyone wants to make a big deal about it, but let him enjoy his time in the sun. It's been his lifelong dream to be a Hog, and he only gets to do it for 2. Let him enjoy him self!
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: HotlantaHog on March 22, 2017, 03:15:47 pm
Macon is going to return. He'll be the emotional leader next year. He has a lot of passion and the always shows, which I like. He sees opportunity next year, and I fully expect him to seize it. As others have said, it was a tough time to ask that question because he was still in the moment of the loss.
Unless it is pretty obvious you should leave because your stock is super high -- like as SEC player of the year high -- your odds of making it in the NBA are not great. You improve your odds a good bit by waiting. You lose nothing unless you are a pretty odds-on lottery or first-round draft pick, which doesn't apply to anyone on Arkansas right now.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Bogghawg on March 22, 2017, 03:43:42 pm
It means "we are gonna" (We gon' be back).
And that means "We are going to be back" --(We're gonna be back) -- (We gone be back).
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 22, 2017, 03:46:37 pm
Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.

Robinson was the last player drafted and never played in the NBA.

Fortson declared for the NBA draft and went undrafted. He didn't leave school to play overseas.

Do you know how to use Google?
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: PonderinHog on March 22, 2017, 03:48:08 pm
What? That's crazy. He is pigeon toed though. Not sure how much it affects his ability to play basketball though.
I think the two were related, foot speed and being pigeon toed.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: Mick Hogger on March 22, 2017, 11:08:28 pm
Technically Fortson did make it to the NBA. He had a 10 day contract with the Clippers and then another with the Rockets and finished out the season on their roster.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 22, 2017, 11:19:04 pm
Technically Fortson did make it to the NBA. He had a 10 day contract with the Clippers and then another with the Rockets and finished out the season on their roster.

Right, but that was years after he left. He was never drafted and he left for the NBA and not to go overseas like Guvmakesstuffuphog said.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: hobhog on March 22, 2017, 11:43:39 pm
Staying n school has never been a bad idea. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Jucos Returning
Post by: ChicoHog on March 23, 2017, 01:00:57 am
And that means "We are going to be back" --(We're gonna be back) -- (We gone be back).
Or he could have just said "We are coming back".  No translation necessary!  LOL!