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Title: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Hawghiggs on March 05, 2016, 12:00:31 pm
http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Illinois-dismisses-Bill-Cubit-as-head-coach-on-athletic-directors-first-day
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 05, 2016, 12:05:31 pm
http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Illinois-dismisses-Bill-Cubit-as-head-coach-on-athletic-directors-first-day

Cubit was doomed from the beginning. Beckman was a joke. He was so bad that Nutt would be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Vantage 8 dude on March 05, 2016, 12:29:58 pm
Cubit was doomed from the beginning. Beckman was a joke. He was so bad that Nutt would be an upgrade.
Hey, you very well may have THE SOLUTION to Illinois' current problem. The Hooter is alive, well and waiting in the wings to resurrect yet another big time program. Someone get that man on the phone, pronto.....
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: younghog on March 05, 2016, 12:35:17 pm
~In other news..

GO HOGS
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on March 05, 2016, 02:27:33 pm
http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Illinois-dismisses-Bill-Cubit-as-head-coach-on-athletic-directors-first-day

WOW! is all I can say. I realize they have a new AD but this is incredibly bad timing with them just having finished their recruiting class that signed on expecting this particular staff to coach them at least through 2016.

Every single one of those kids who signed on for 2016 should be released from their binding commitments by the NCAA.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 02:53:44 pm
Watch an attempted raid on one or two of our assistants.

It doesn't help that we have some with B1G ties and/or recruiting ties.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 02:57:30 pm
Watch an attempted raid on one or two of our assistants.

It doesn't help that we have some with B1G ties and/or recruiting ties.

Only if this was already planned. You don't fire the HC a week before spring practice, or do you???
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 03:10:33 pm
Only if this was already planned. You don't fire the HC a week before spring practice, or do you???

Well someone has to take the job.
Then he has to hire a staff.

We seem to have highly attractive assistants.
I've already stated some have B1G ties with recruiting or coaching.

I'm being a little facetious but only a little.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 03:12:39 pm
Well someone has to take the job.
Then he has to hire a staff.

We seem to have highly attractive assistants.
I've already stated some have B1G ties with recruiting or coaching.

I'm being a little facetious but only a little.

Some of the articles I read said the AD more than likely had his man picked out for the job, we'll see. He also fired his son, the OC, and reportedly, most of the staff.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: kodiakisland on March 05, 2016, 03:14:25 pm
WOW! is all I can say. I realize they have a new AD but this is incredibly bad timing with them just having finished their recruiting class that signed on expecting this particular staff to coach them at least through 2016.

Every single one of those kids who signed on for 2016 should be released from their binding commitments by the NCAA.

And do what?  Sit at home for a year or pay their way somewhere else in hope of a scholarship?  Sucks for them, but seriously, how many of them could go somewhere else now even if they want to?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 03:17:16 pm
Some of the articles I read said the AD more than likely had his man picked out for the job, we'll see. He also fired his son, the OC, and reportedly, most of the staff.

Honestly, I don't think we need to worry.
It wouldn't surprise me if there's an attempt though.

However, I bet Enos looks pretty attractive to them.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Hoggish1 on March 05, 2016, 03:25:36 pm
Honestly, I don't think we need to worry.
It wouldn't surprise me if there's an attempt though.

However, I bet Enos looks pretty attractive to them.

For Illinois everybody looks attractive.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wildhog on March 05, 2016, 03:28:00 pm
Maybe Hargreaves has some Illinois ties?  8)
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 03:38:25 pm
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/706232226527055872
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 05, 2016, 04:14:19 pm
Watch an attempted raid on one or two of our assistants.

It doesn't help that we have some with B1G ties and/or recruiting ties.

If the money's the same, Illinois is a huge step down from Arkansas.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 04:22:22 pm
If the money's the same, Illinois is a huge step down from Arkansas.

Beyond true.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 04:27:38 pm
Beyond true.

AD says in PC that he only fired the HC and OC, but the others would have to interview with the new coach.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on March 05, 2016, 04:30:44 pm
I'm ashamed to admit it , but I'm so gun shy at this point the first thing came to my mind was that they'll probably hire Enos.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 04:40:53 pm
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/706247910355136512
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wildhog on March 05, 2016, 04:41:31 pm
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/706247910355136512

Wow. Big time hire.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 04:49:24 pm
Wow. Big time hire.

Yeah, if he's the guy, then the timing makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 05, 2016, 04:50:11 pm
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/706247910355136512

If true, that's pathetic.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 04:51:59 pm
Wow.
That wasn't a home run hire.
It was a walk off grand slam considering that programs low level of prestige.

Broke the bank to get him?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 05, 2016, 04:55:18 pm
Wait, huh?

Lovie Smith is now a good coach?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 05:04:09 pm
Wait, huh?

Lovie Smith is now a good coach?

For Illinois.

He'll claim NFL connections/know how to recruits.
It will be a lot of positive media for awhile.
It'll create buzz with the fans for awhile.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: cubsfan5150 on March 05, 2016, 05:10:51 pm
If true, that's pathetic.

And you continue to be a complete tard.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 05, 2016, 05:18:19 pm
And you continue to be a complete tard.

The term "tard" from a Cub fan.  Expected.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wildhog on March 05, 2016, 05:19:58 pm
Wait, huh?

Lovie Smith is now a good coach?

Of course he's a good coach.

For Illinois, this is an incredible hire.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hoglady on March 05, 2016, 05:24:13 pm
Guess the AD figured it might be now or never.
Bad timing - but how can the Illinois AD not roll the dice on Lovie Smith.
They'll have more publicity in the next week than they've had in the last decade.
His name alone should open some recruits doors that Illinois couldn't have sniffed at before.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 05, 2016, 05:27:13 pm
Guess the AD figured it might be now or never.
Bad timing - but how can the Illinois AD not roll the dice on Lovie Smith.
They'll have more publicity in the next week than they've had in the last decade.
His name alone should open some recruits doors that Illinois couldn't have sniffed at before.

Hopefully not some OL guys we are on.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hoglady on March 05, 2016, 05:29:49 pm
Hopefully not some OL guys we are on.

No kidding.
We are going to be in deep "do" if we don't pick up some good OL guys this year.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: NinoHogUNIA on March 05, 2016, 06:06:05 pm
Wait, huh?

Lovie Smith is now a good coach?

He's better than Jeff Fisher

Plus he went to the ship with Grossman at QB.

He's from Texas might have some connects there still.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Dominicanhog on March 05, 2016, 06:16:51 pm
Wow.
That wasn't a home run hire.
It was a walk off grand slam considering that programs low level of prestige.

Broke the bank to get him?

Absolutely... he'd be a big time hire for any program.. winning record in NFL- head coach for 11 years..

big, big get for UI and I'd like to see Lovie kick the ship out of Urban Liar and Jimmy Huffball....
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 05, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
Absolutely... he'd be a big time hire for any program.. winning record in NFL- head coach for 11 years..

big, big get for UI and I'd like to see Lovie kick the ship out of Urban Liar and Jimmy Huffball....

Agree with this except.....I call him Bourbon Cryer.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: goodguytex on March 05, 2016, 07:33:56 pm
~In other news..

GO HOGS
No... You meant to say... YAWN
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: AP85 on March 05, 2016, 07:41:31 pm
It's Illinois. Who cares?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Hogarusa on March 05, 2016, 08:08:59 pm
Illinois is a real tough spot to win but Lovie Smith is a great hire. Especially in March.  We got John L Smith in April
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wildhog on March 05, 2016, 08:36:02 pm
It's Illinois. Who cares?

It's March and a CFB HC just got fired.  It's news, and it's not like we've got a ton to talk about, anyway.

Strange that this would bother anyone.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 06:12:44 am
He's better than Jeff Fisher

Plus he went to the ship with Grossman at QB.

He's from Texas might have some connects there still.

This was a pretty big controversy in Chicago. Orton had the been the QB until the SB. They were there for their defense, so many people felt Lovie shouldn't screw with the offense and let Orton remain the starter.

Instead he stubbornly chose Grossman. He is a very stubborn person which seems to get him into trouble with upper management. However, his players always loved him. Preaching "you are a man so act like it" may work with a 26 year old player, but could be disastrous with a 19 year old.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on March 06, 2016, 06:14:50 am
And do what?  Sit at home for a year or pay their way somewhere else in hope of a scholarship?  Sucks for them, but seriously, how many of them could go somewhere else now even if they want to?

Point is, any kid who commits to a program and signs a LOI in February, only to have the HC they signed with be fired a month later, should have the option to move their commitment to another program without penalty. There may be other schools they could go to and there may not be, but they should have the option nonetheless. Lots of teams didn't sign their full allotment of players.

Now I see that Lovie Smith may be hired as the HC and if he is, kids may want to stick around and play for him so maybe that works out well for them.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: LZH on March 06, 2016, 06:45:22 am
Point is, any kid who commits to a program and signs a LOI in February, only to have the HC they signed with be fired a month later, should have the option to move their commitment to another program without penalty.

Yes.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 06, 2016, 07:26:20 am
WOW! is all I can say. I realize they have a new AD but this is incredibly bad timing with them just having finished their recruiting class that signed on expecting this particular staff to coach them at least through 2016.

Every single one of those kids who signed on for 2016 should be released from their binding commitments by the NCAA.

Disagree. Every single one of those signees were crazy to sign with them knowing the coaches were interim unless they had extremely loyal ties to the school itself.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 06, 2016, 07:47:28 am
Absolutely... he'd be a big time hire for any program.. winning record in NFL- head coach for 11 years..

big, big get for UI and I'd like to see Lovie kick the ship out of Urban Liar and Jimmy Huffball....

Big time hire? You've got to be kidding. Head coach for 11 years and ONLY two games above .500 in the pros as a head coach…………….Oh yes that's a dazzling record.………………How that adds up to a big, big get is laughable.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: PonderinHog on March 06, 2016, 09:03:59 am
Disagree. Every single one of those signees were crazy to sign with them knowing the coaches were interim unless they had extremely loyal ties to the school itself.
I thought Cubit signed a two year deal after the season ended.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 06, 2016, 10:12:58 am
I thought Cubit signed a two year deal after the season ended.

He did, had he signed a "long" term deal, then the AD said it probably wouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: The_Boot_stops_here on March 06, 2016, 10:20:51 am
I can't imagine that Illinois fb could even dream for a bigger hire than Lovie Smith. At the very least, they will no longer be an embarassment. Good for them
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 06, 2016, 11:30:09 am
I thought Cubit signed a two year deal after the season ended.

I wasn't aware of that. BUT in my book two year deals are interim by nature. They may not be called that but ANY coaches contract that short would make me think twice before signing with that school…………………...
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 12:43:10 pm
Big time hire? You've got to be kidding. Head coach for 11 years and ONLY two games above .500 in the pros as a head coach…………….Oh yes that's a dazzling record.………………How that adds up to a big, big get is laughable.

ROFL.  ROFL.
LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 01:47:07 pm
ROFL.  ROFL.
LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL. LOL.  LOL.  LOL.

Don't look now but your ignorance is showing. Lovie walked into the Bears with a ready made defense. He couldn't field an offense to save his life. He was fired. He went to Tampa and was fired again.

So stop rolling on the floor laughing and explain why you think he is a great coach?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Grumpypenguin on March 06, 2016, 02:10:49 pm
Lovie does not seem like the type of person that would want to recruit. he wasn't a good NFL coach anyways
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
Big time hire? You've got to be kidding. Head coach for 11 years and ONLY two games above .500 in the pros as a head coach…………….Oh yes that's a dazzling record.………………How that adds up to a big, big get is laughable.

Take away his first season with Chicago and 1st season with Tampa, both lower talent transition years, and he averaged over 10 wins a season.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 03:16:09 pm
Take away his first season with Chicago and 1st season with Tampa, both lower talent transition years, and he averaged over 10 wins a season.

So he is just unlucky that a "great hire" coach keeps getting fired.

10 wins in the North is no great accomplishment. Usually there is only one team (GB). And don't under estimate his stubbornness. This new AD fired the coach on his first day, I'm not sure he has the personality to suffer a stubborn coach.

Even with a top notch recruiter - winning isn't happening for this team for several years.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 04:21:13 pm
Don't look now but your ignorance is showing. Lovie walked into the Bears with a ready made defense. He couldn't field an offense to save his life. He was fired. He went to Tampa and was fired again.

So stop rolling on the floor laughing and explain why you think he is a great coach?

I was being ironic with your  laughable statement.

I do believe this is a big hire for that weak program though.
I've already explained the reasons.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hobhog on March 06, 2016, 04:47:15 pm
Don't look now but your ignorance is showing. Lovie walked into the Bears with a ready made defense. He couldn't field an offense to save his life. He was fired. He went to Tampa and was fired again.

So stop rolling on the floor laughing and explain why you think he is a great coach?

There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ALLVOL on March 06, 2016, 04:54:54 pm
Bad coaches don't take teams to the Superbowl.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 04:56:06 pm
So he is just unlucky that a "great hire" coach keeps getting fired.

10 wins in the North is no great accomplishment. Usually there is only one team (GB). And don't under estimate his stubbornness. This new AD fired the coach on his first day, I'm not sure he has the personality to suffer a stubborn coach.

Even with a top notch recruiter - winning isn't happening for this team for several years.

We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.

If this were Michigan, USCw, Alabama, etc., it would be an average hire.

At Illinois it's a grand slam.

The Bears have won their division 5 times in the last 25 years.  Lovie has 3 of them.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 05:01:58 pm
We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.

If this were Michigan, USCw, Alabama, etc., it would be an average hire.

At Illinois it's a grand slam.

The Bears have won their division 5 times in the last 25 years.  Lovie has 3 of them.

Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 05:41:47 pm
Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.


You're right.
Al Groh is who they should have hired.

He'd have brought more excitement to recruits, fans, and alums.
AND, he's a proven commodity.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 05:53:56 pm
You're right.
Al Groh is who they should have hired.

He'd have brought more excitement to recruits, fans, and alums.
AND, he's a proven commodity.

Groh? I see you are running out of ways to make Lovie the "grand slam" hire.  ;D
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 05:56:53 pm
I was being ironic with your  laughable statement.

I do believe this is a big hire for that weak program though.
I've already explained the reasons.

Dude you were replying to someone else not me. Try keeping up - I'm not that intelligent. So it shouldn't be too hard to keep up.  ;)
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 06, 2016, 06:00:48 pm
Lovie does not seem like the type of person that would want to recruit. he wasn't a good NFL coach anyways

Illinois' not going to hire him.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 06:02:34 pm
Illinois' not going to hire him.

Al Groh is available.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 06, 2016, 06:09:26 pm
Al Groh is available.

At the college level he's more proven.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 06:16:59 pm
At the college level he's more proven.

At 85-92?
9-7 NFL?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Cure on March 06, 2016, 06:30:33 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wildhog on March 06, 2016, 06:48:05 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

In no world. 
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 06:59:33 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

He is not a bad coach, but he isn't a grand slam either. He is an ok coach that is a very nice guy.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 07:26:22 pm
Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.


I can't explain why Chicago fires a 10-win coach.  I guess was to hire the Canadian QB whisper who turned out dreadful.

Tampa Bay?  3 coaches in 5 years.  Sometimes ownership can get out of their own way.

By the way, many of your questions were said when USCw hired Pete Carroll (Lovie is no Pete Carroll, Illinois is no USCw).
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: bigpigpimpin on March 06, 2016, 08:23:36 pm
Illinois has always and will always suck. They can fire and hire a hundred coaches and they will still suck!!!
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: 12247 on March 06, 2016, 08:31:13 pm
Lovie Smith just cannot be a decent coach.  We know this because we had a similar situation where we needed a HC after signing day and during the off season, but had to settle for John L. because we couldn't find a coach during this time period.  Decent coaches are just not hireable during this timeframe.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Tejano Jawg on March 06, 2016, 08:44:03 pm
There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...

Agree. Heck…WE had one. Granted, Lou's sample size in the NFL was small (one season), but how much better would that have been in 5 seasons? So, awful NFL coach, great college coach.

As for Lovie, I have no idea what he did before his time in the League. Still, if I were an Illini, I'd be pretty excited.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 09:14:28 pm
I can't explain why Chicago fires a 10-win coach.  I guess was to hire the Canadian QB whisper who turned out dreadful.

Tampa Bay?  3 coaches in 5 years.  Sometimes ownership can get out of their own way.

By the way, many of your questions were said when USCw hired Pete Carroll (Lovie is no Pete Carroll, Illinois is no USCw).

They fired Lovie because he would not adapt and the defense was getting old. Which meant their window of opportunity for a championship was closing. Yep they blew it with Tressman and that group is no longer here.

Chicagoans were ready for that 10 win coach to leave. When you see him day in and day out Lovie is just not that good.

And that 10 win coach didn't get his team into the playoffs that year.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 11:21:12 pm
They fired Lovie because he would not adapt and the defense was getting old. Which meant their window of opportunity for a championship was closing. Yep they blew it with Tressman and that group is no longer here.

Chicagoans were ready for that 10 win coach to leave. When you see him day in and day out Lovie is just not that good.

And that 10 win coach didn't get his team into the playoffs that year.

I'm a lifelong Bears fan, starting in about '83.  It's been lean times since Ditka left.  Lovie gave me hope.  I was feeling like it was probably over too, but didn't feel like a change should be made after his last 10-win season.

I also felt like personnel moves have been questionable the last 7 or 8 years.  Changing coaches doesn't fix that.  Angelo dismantled the Bears in 2007 and Emery was a disaster.  Too early to tell with Pace.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Rzbakfromwaybak on March 06, 2016, 11:55:50 pm


Hey, you very well may have THE SOLUTION to Illinois' current problem. The Hooter is alive, well and waiting in the wings to resurrect yet another big time program. Someone get that man on the phone, pronto.....


Yep, Hootie is always waiting for that call ! Evidently his phone hasn't been tied up too much with coaching offers.  :)  Makes you wonder if Sexton has given up on finding him another coaching job. 
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 07, 2016, 04:57:00 am
I'm a lifelong Bears fan, starting in about '83.  It's been lean times since Ditka left.  Lovie gave me hope.  I was feeling like it was probably over too, but didn't feel like a change should be made after his last 10-win season.

I also felt like personnel moves have been questionable the last 7 or 8 years.  Changing coaches doesn't fix that.  Angelo dismantled the Bears in 2007 and Emery was a disaster.  Too early to tell with Pace.

I'm with you on the general manager moves as well. If Illini do choose Lovie I hope he does well, but that program is a disaster. I heard something yesterday that the hire was contingent on him being able to hire his son. Not sure if that is true are not.

Heck I didn't know he had a son who was a coach.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 07, 2016, 04:59:08 am
Yep, Hootie is always waiting for that call ! Evidently his phone hasn't been tied up too much with coaching offers.  :)  Makes you wonder if Sexton has given up on finding him another coaching job.

He actually wouldn't be a bad coach for them. Their program is bad and his rah rah can fire up the players. And the fan base hasn't seen good football in so long that no one will question his smoke draw plays.  ;D
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2016, 07:22:13 am
Quote from: hogcard1964
Illinois' not going to hire him.
Every time you exert energy from your brain to your fingers, you have been proven wrong. Every. Single. Time.

https://twitter.com/IlliniAD/status/706829914956177408
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 07:43:55 am
There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...

And college coaches that failed in the NFL, and a few college coaches that succeeded in the NFL. Being a college coach is a different job than being an NFL coach. Only a few parts of the jobs are the same. The differences can only be overcome by certain ones. Maybe Lovie is one of those. I'd never bet on that for any NFL coach though that has never coached in college.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: TX HOG on March 07, 2016, 07:51:47 am
I know Illinois is far from east Texas, but lovie is highly respected in east Texas.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ricepig on March 07, 2016, 08:03:28 am
Every time you exert energy from your brain to your fingers, you have been proven wrong. Every. Single. Time.

https://twitter.com/IlliniAD/status/706829914956177408

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/706839746006245376
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 08:09:52 am
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

In the same one where people think he is a great coach.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 08:11:09 am
I know Illinois is far from east Texas, but lovie is highly respected in east Texas.

As he should be. Everything I've read says he is a great guy.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 07, 2016, 08:15:41 am
I'm with you on the general manager moves as well. If Illini do choose Lovie I hope he does well, but that program is a disaster. I heard something yesterday that the hire was contingent on him being able to hire his son. Not sure if that is true are not.

Heck I didn't know he had a son who was a coach.

I think his son became a DB coach at Tampa.

No matter the situation, it's always bad to have a son as a coach on the team.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2016, 08:43:45 am
Quote from: hog.goblin
I think his son became a DB coach at Tampa.

No matter the situation, it's always bad to have a son as a coach on the team.
Steve Spurrier, Joe Paterno, didn't Petrino also hire his son... and Hootie, too? I know there's more than a handful of coaches that have brought their kids onto staffs.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: k.c.hawg on March 07, 2016, 08:49:34 am
I will tell you why this is a home run hire for Illinois. Tell me any coach they have had in the last 25 years that could be whispered in the same breath as Lovie Smith? Name me another coach that would even consider going to that dumpster fire that is half as qualified.

The biggest reason is Lovie Smith is joined at the hip with Tony Dungy and Herm Edwards. Those 3 guys are 3 of the 4 most recognizable African American coaches in NFL history. Herm and Tony will be showing up at practices and talk him up every time they have an opportunity. Will he be good at Illinois which has traditionally sucked,  maybe not but I wouldn't be surprised if they start landing their best classes ever.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2016, 08:58:06 am
For those that are saying this isn't a homerun hire... ponder this.

When you, as an Athletics Director, can drown out the news of an NFL QB retiring by hiring a CFB Coach, who was fired from an NFL team... you've gone BIG time with publicity for your school.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Wisco Pig on March 07, 2016, 09:03:08 am
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 07, 2016, 09:28:30 am
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.

You won't remember Smith in 5 years.

As a ardent fan of the SEC as well as someone that detests the Little 14, I approve of this hiring.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Dominicanhog on March 07, 2016, 10:15:33 am
We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.



they're both afraid they'll lose the hard earned "Lovable Loser" reputation.... actually they have both been mismanaged organizations for decades...
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: BorderPatrol on March 07, 2016, 10:21:13 am
Every time you exert energy from your brain to your fingers, you have been proven wrong. Every. Single. Time.

https://twitter.com/IlliniAD/status/706829914956177408

Ha Ha Ha!!! Very nice!

bp
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on March 07, 2016, 10:24:10 am
Lovie Smith was a huge hire.  Most on here (excepting all those that knew we were hiring Gruden) would have been drooling a few years ago when we got Smiley.

Anyone judging Lovie by his NFL record needs to go back and look at Nick Saban's record in the NFL.  Or Steve Spurrier's.  Heck, even Lou Holtz'.  Not saying Lovie will have Saban-esque results, but to judge him base on his NFL record?  Please...
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 10:26:53 am
Bad coaches don't take teams to the Superbowl.

I'll agree that not bad hasn't BUT they don't have to be great either.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 10:29:59 am
For those that are saying this isn't a homerun hire... ponder this.

When you, as an Athletics Director, can drown out the news of an NFL QB retiring by hiring a CFB Coach, who was fired from an NFL team... you've gone BIG time with publicity for your school.

Big time publicity does not always equate to being a big time hire or even big time news longterm. A home run hire is related to time. It is only a home run IF they are successful over several years after getting the job. Everyone also expected Payton's retirement today and has been for several weeks, so it wast exactly "breaking" news as much as the hiring was. 
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 10:33:19 am
they're both afraid they'll lose the hard earned "Lovable Loser" reputation.... actually they have both been mismanaged organizations for decades...

So getting fired after those happened should send up a red flag and open up questions as to why they happened to the same guy. He might be a great hire BUT those two events makes me pause before declaring it as such.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 10:35:49 am
Lovie Smith was a huge hire.  Most on here (excepting all those that knew we were hiring Gruden) would have been drooling a few years ago when we got Smiley.

Anyone judging Lovie by his NFL record needs to go back and look at Nick Saban's record in the NFL.  Or Steve Spurrier's.  Heck, even Lou Holtz'.  Not saying Lovie will have Saban-esque results, but to judge him base on his NFL record?  Please...

ALL of those other coaches you mentioned had already proven themselves as good college coaches BEFORE going to the pros. Smith has never been a college coach. The pro and college jobs do have differences.   
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 10:36:35 am
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.

Absolutely agree on all of that. Lovie may or may not be able to do well as a college coach but he does bring some name recognition and thus the buzz that they needed.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 07, 2016, 10:48:22 am
Lovie Smith was a huge hire. 

He's been hired and fired at least a dozen times and it's never been huge from any perspective.  It's certainly not at Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: GolfnHog on March 07, 2016, 11:07:28 am
From a PR, Marketing and time of the year hire, it's big. Unlike many on this board, his name and experience as a HC will get him into any house he wants for a recruiting visit. As was mentioned in an earlier post, his connections to HC's that are African Americans past and present will bode well for him and give him credibility in recruiting kids that have talent to consider the mess called the Illini.

How successful he will be as an  X's & O's coach and hiring assistants is still in the jury room for a final verdict.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Doug on March 07, 2016, 11:22:45 am
Quote from: hogcard1964
He's been hired and fired at least a dozen times and it's never been huge from any perspective.  It's certainly not at Illinois.
Just stop. You have been consistently proven to be not just wrong, but "holy sh*t, where the h*ll did that come from?" wrong.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: DeltaBoy on March 07, 2016, 11:31:22 am
Major hire and they will be better with Lovie. He a solid man and Coach.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 07, 2016, 11:54:07 am
Just stop. You have been consistently proven to be not just wrong, but "holy sh*t, where the h*ll did that come from?" wrong.

Not following, but ok.  Lovie's huuuuuge. 
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hog.goblin on March 07, 2016, 01:54:31 pm
ALL of those other coaches you mentioned had already proven themselves as good college coaches BEFORE going to the pros. Smith has never been a college coach. The pro and college jobs do have differences.   

Well, 13 years as a college coach, but don't let that stop you from saying never
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 07, 2016, 02:11:48 pm
Well, 13 years as a college coach, but don't let that stop you from saying never

Sorry. My bad. I should have said HEAD college coach. It is common knowledge he was an assistant in college for quite a few years. The point still stands that not all college assistants, nor NFL head coaches or NFL assistant coaches make good college head coaches.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 07, 2016, 04:40:07 pm
Lovie could turn out to be a great head coach for them. And still fail. On Chicago sports radio this morning was an Illini alum who is now a B10 analyst. He said if you walk into the football complex there is furniture that is 15 years old. Very little money has been spent on the infrastructure and they have the worst facilities in the B10.

The AD has a big fundraising job to do and Lovie will need 5 years to put out this dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: hogcard1964 on March 08, 2016, 10:23:24 am
Lovie could turn out to be a great head coach for them. And still fail. On Chicago sports radio this morning was an Illini alum who is now a B10 analyst. He said if you walk into the football complex there is furniture that is 15 years old. Very little money has been spent on the infrastructure and they have the worst facilities in the B10.

The AD has a big fundraising job to do and Lovie will need 5 years to put out this dumpster fire.

Illinois and Purdue have always been the worst as far as the Big 10 facilities go.  An ex co worker of mine played for the Illini back in the mid 80s and it was bad then.

Obviously, nobody knows for sure about what he'll do as a head college coach, but being a Chicago bear fan, I know all too much of Lovie the head NFL coach.  Who knows though? Maybe he'll be able to hire some decent assistants.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 08, 2016, 12:15:25 pm
Illinois and Purdue have always been the worst as far as the Big 10 facilities go.  An ex co worker of mine played for the Illini back in the mid 80s and it was bad then.

Obviously, nobody knows for sure about what he'll do as a head college coach, but being a Chicago bear fan, I know all too much of Lovie the head NFL coach.  Who knows though? Maybe he'll be able to hire some decent assistants.

As fas as stadiums go Athlon ranked Illinois 9th last year in their conference. The bottom two were Indiana and Purdue out of the 14 schools. Those also low ranking were Rutgers, Northwestern and Maryland.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on March 08, 2016, 06:50:06 pm
Lovie could turn out to be a great head coach for them. And still fail. On Chicago sports radio this morning was an Illini alum who is now a B10 analyst. He said if you walk into the football complex there is furniture that is 15 years old. Very little money has been spent on the infrastructure and they have the worst facilities in the B10.

The AD has a big fundraising job to do and Lovie will need 5 years to put out this dumpster fire.

Maybe I am an old time football purist, but I would love to see Illinois pull themselves out of the weeds of college football and become a really good football team again. George Halas, Dick Butkus, Red Grange and Ray Nitschke are all pulling for them to do so.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 09, 2016, 07:09:00 am
Maybe I am an old time football purist, but I would love to see Illinois pull themselves out of the weeds of college football and become a really good football team again. George Halas, Dick Butkus, Red Grange and Ray Nitschke are all pulling for them to do so.

And Lovie very well may be the guy to do it. But living in Chicago you see all of the little warts on coaches and he has them in spades. Lovie racks up wins against weaker teams but doesn't beat the top teams. That is why even with a 10 win average his teams don't make the playoffs. And when they do they don't go far.

Between the AD and him they will need big time money to build up the program. Also there is talk that they will need to lower their high academic standards to get the athletes they need. Not sure this region can support two teams (Northwestern being the other) with those requirements.

That is hard to do when you have a history of losing and not raising big funds. Lovie is good at defense, but has not been able to show he understands offense or player personnel. Which could equate to a good defense and boring offense. In today's game boring offense doesn't bring in the money.

Let's say his defense is phenomenal. Ok you slow down OSU, MSU, UW, AND UM. Can your offense score enough to win?

Look how long our program has been building up its infrastructure. Long inherited a program that was built on fundraising thanks to Broyles. Illinois' AD doesn't have that luxury.

I don't see Lovie getting that much time to build the program and raise the money needed. This is a mammoth overhaul for which this program doesn't have a history of accomplishing.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: JackMcQueen on March 09, 2016, 08:25:57 am
https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/707556548600401920
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 09, 2016, 09:12:28 am
https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/707556548600401920

I have not followed DM since he left the Hogs. Did he ever prove he could coach QBs without CBP? If he has then this is a good hire for Lovie.
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: husker71 on March 09, 2016, 10:11:30 am
I think just the opposite.  I have always heard (from sportswriters so consider the source)  that Lovie Smith is a players coach.  In my opinion he should be good in the living room.  He will be able to hire assistants from both college and pros.  I am not saying he can win in the Big 10   BUT I think he was their best option I was surprised by the hire
Title: Re: Illinois fires coach
Post by: ChitownHawg on March 09, 2016, 11:53:00 am
I think just the opposite.  I have always heard (from sportswriters so consider the source)  that Lovie Smith is a players coach.  In my opinion he should be good in the living room.  He will be able to hire assistants from both college and pros.  I am not saying he can win in the Big 10   BUT I think he was their best option I was surprised by the hire

He is a players coach. Even though he was failing to get the Bears in the playoffs the players were not happy with his firing.

If the decision is based solely on the coach then he will do well with recruits. However, I can almost guarantee the other school coaches will be speaking about the poor facilities and lack of winning tradition.

So the question becomes can his credentials pull in enough quality players to be a top team in the B10? We will see over the next couple of years.