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Title: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 27, 2015, 10:04:18 pm
I think we might be better off without Kevaughn Allen.  I know it is early, but he looks like the worst type of player.  He is a high volume shooter, but doesn't make very many at all.  Kind of fits with what I thought of him coming out of high school.  He thought he was the best player in the nation, but didn't really have the skills to match.  Went 3-12 today (1-6 from 3) and is shooring 31% for the year and 18% from 3.  He is 4-22 from 3!!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: IronMountainHog on November 27, 2015, 10:23:43 pm
Never heard of her.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ADavisTheGOAT on November 27, 2015, 10:28:14 pm
That's what happens when you don't pick Arkansas. Hope the same thing happens with Monk and his ugly jump shot.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Danny J on November 27, 2015, 10:28:14 pm
Still like that we got Whitt....I think as the season wears on he is going to really get better. Already showing some nice flashes and love his long arms on defense.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on November 28, 2015, 08:04:42 am
This team can use all the talent it can get. Mike has assembled a JV level roster. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on November 28, 2015, 08:46:33 am
KeVaughn is really good on the break. We could use him
Title: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Practice!?! Report)
Post by: jbcarol on November 28, 2015, 09:05:49 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops Nov 25 Gainesville, FL

White said they have to beg KeVaughn Allen to shoot the basketball sometimes in practice. "We need him to shoot when his feet are set"
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 28, 2015, 09:06:24 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 15h15 hours ago Gainesville, FL

Nice steal by KeVaughn Allen but he needs to do better job finishing those transition layups.

KeVaughn Allen 0-2 from 3-pt range, now 3-18 from beyond arc this season.

Florda offense -- Egbunu, Finney-Smith and drink a fifth.

White on backcourt inconsistency -- "just struggling to shoot the basketball. We need to all look in mirror and staff has to help out."

White -- "We've got to re-evaluate how many 3s we're shooting, who is shooting them and where we're shooting from."
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Danny J on November 28, 2015, 09:45:36 am
This team can use all the talent it can get. Mike has assembled a JV level roster. Pathetic.
Yep...can't keep signing SWAC talent and project type players to get where we want to get. We need help down low in a BAD BAD way.....We have a couple of good guards coming in next year to go with Hannahs, Whitt and Beard but we need post players. Moses is not even close to all we need down low....not even close. Thompson is a project and Thomas is simply not SEC type player and Cook may not be eligible.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Practice!?! Report)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:52:28 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops Nov 25 Gainesville, FL

White said they have to beg KeVaughn Allen to shoot the basketball sometimes in practice. "We need him to shoot when his feet are set"

"We have to beg him to shoot in practice, but he has no problem shooting in games.  We just need to figure out how he can make 1 or 2."
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Practice!?! Report)
Post by: HSVhogfan2 on November 28, 2015, 09:56:09 am
"We have to beg him to shoot in practice, but he has no problem shooting in games.  We just need to figure out how he can make 1 or 2."

So you are trying to insult a player by comparing him to AI? LOL
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:59:21 am
This team can use all the talent it can get. Mike has assembled a JV level roster. Pathetic.

Not sure Allen is the type of "talent" we need to make us better.  He's a high volume shooter who can't make many.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Practice!?! Report)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 10:05:32 am
So you are trying to insult a player by comparing him to AI? LOL

I even made it explicit by putting it after the thread title.  I knew I'd have some duds coming around saying, "I sure would like to have AI on our team right now!"  He shoots a high volume like AI, but doesn't make many.  He thinks he has AI's talent, so he shoots a ton.  He just isn't talented enough to make many.

He may end up being a decent player, but I don't think we'll ever look back and say, "How good would we have been if Kevaughn Allen was on our team?"  I think we'll more likely be saying something like, "Remember back when he chose Florida and we thought we had missed on a good player?  We were WAAAAY off!"
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on November 28, 2015, 11:52:06 am
Not sure Allen is the type of "talent" we need to make us better.  He's a high volume shooter who can't make many.

He is a true freshman. He will get better as he gets experience. We need him. But it's too late. Mike already choked this season away in the offseason.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on November 28, 2015, 12:52:30 pm
He is a true freshman. He will get better as he gets experience. We need him. But it's too late. Mike already choked this season away in the offseason.

I can see you are on a mission to derail every thread. Nice attempt at camouflage by throwing in a reference to the OP as a smoke screen for your actual message.

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Scott7703 on November 28, 2015, 12:57:16 pm
Allen is a top player on our team today if he is on it. Yeah it sucks he didn't come to Arkansas but why have a thread like this?
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomasPistola on November 28, 2015, 12:58:13 pm
Allen is a top player on our team today if he is on it. Yeah it sucks he didn't come to Arkansas but why have a thread like this?

Because asking for Mike to get fired isn't en vogue yet.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on November 28, 2015, 01:02:36 pm
Allen is a top player on our team today if he is on it. Yeah it sucks he didn't come to Arkansas but why have a thread like this?

Because all other teams are our adversaries and it hurts for one of our own to join the side of our enemies. Ok, let me put it in terms hogvillians can relate to. It's sorta like if one of your Arkansas relatives left to join the Union army during the Civil War.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 03:27:41 pm
Allen is a top player on our team today if he is on it. Yeah it sucks he didn't come to Arkansas but why have a thread like this?

In terms of shot attempts maybe.  He sucks right now.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 03:31:11 pm
He is a true freshman. He will get better as he gets experience. We need him. But it's too late. Mike already choked this season away in the offseason.

There is always that possibility.  There's also the possibility that he just isn't very good and was overrated by the recruiting services.  I'll go with the latter, with what I saw in high school and so far at Florida.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: mhuff on November 28, 2015, 03:38:42 pm
That's what happens when you don't pick Arkansas. Hope the same thing happens with Monk and his ugly jump shot.

I never knew him.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: mhuff on November 28, 2015, 03:41:27 pm
Not sure Allen is the type of "talent" we need to make us better.  He's a high volume shooter who can't make many.

I never knew him.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Scott7703 on November 28, 2015, 04:30:57 pm
In terms of shot attempts maybe.  He sucks right now.

Allen is a more "ready" player today than 2-3 of our guards will ever be. I'm not saying he is an all American but to act like he wouldn't help our team is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Big Boi on November 28, 2015, 05:21:40 pm
I think we might be better off without Kevaughn Allen.  I know it is early, but he looks like the worst type of player.  He is a high volume shooter, but doesn't make very many at all.  Kind of fits with what I thought of him coming out of high school.  He thought he was the best player in the nation, but didn't really have the skills to match.  Went 3-12 today (1-6 from 3) and is shooring 31% for the year and 18% from 3.  He is 4-22 from 3!!
This is crazy
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: nwahogfan1 on November 28, 2015, 06:51:31 pm
I think we might be better off without Kevaughn Allen.  I know it is early, but he looks like the worst type of player.  He is a high volume shooter, but doesn't make very many at all.  Kind of fits with what I thought of him coming out of high school.  He thought he was the best player in the nation, but didn't really have the skills to match.  Went 3-12 today (1-6 from 3) and is shooring 31% for the year and 18% from 3.  He is 4-22 from 3!!
i saw him in one game this year and he is not shy.  coach has apparently given him the green light to shoot.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Letsroll1200 on November 28, 2015, 07:09:47 pm
This program is not better off without Kavaughn Allen.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:28:46 pm
Allen is a more "ready" player today than 2-3 of our guards will ever be. I'm not saying he is an all American but to act like he wouldn't help our team is ridiculous.

Name them.  He has been a waste so far.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:32:02 pm
This program is not better off without Kavaughn Allen.

I disagree.  He is Malik Monk minus the ability to make shots.  He takes a lot, which end up being wasted trips.  He shoots way too many 3s for his ability level.  At least Whitt realizes he isn't a sharpshooter at this point.  Allen thinks he's Steph Curry.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:33:24 pm
This is crazy

I think he'd make this team worse.  He doesn't realize his ability.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 09:34:24 pm
i saw him in one game this year and he is not shy.  coach has apparently given him the green light to shoot.

He might want to make that light red.  At least yellow!!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 10:08:44 pm
Not sure Allen is the type of "talent" we need to make us better.  He's a high volume shooter who can't make many.

I'm not sure how much of him you actually saw in high school, but if you think he's a high-volume shooter, you didn't see very much of him. I can say that with absolute certainity and so will anyone else who saw him play multiple games.

Maybe Whitt is better, and maybe we end up better off without Allen, but he plays nothing like Allen Iverson, Antonie Walker or any other high-volume shooter regardless of what his early-season freshman stats say.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 10:12:37 pm
I'm not sure how much of him you actually saw in high school, but if you think he's a high-volume shooter, you didn't see very much of him. I can say that with absolute certainity and so will anyone else who saw him play multiple games.

Maybe Whitt is better, and maybe we end up better off without Allen, but he plays nothing like Allen Iverson, Antonie Walker or any other high-volume shooter regardless of what his early-season freshman stats say.

Ha!  Ok.  He just became a guy who shoots way above his ability level in the few months he's been at Florida.  If the Florida are begging him to shoot and greenlighting shots from him (especially from 3), I question their ability to coach at this level.  I was questioning that very fact when they hired them.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 10:20:41 pm
Ha!  Ok.  He just became a guy who shoots way above his ability level in the few months he's been at Florida.  If the Florida are begging him to shoot and greenlighting shots from him (especially from 3), I question their ability to coach at this level.  I was questioning that very fact when they hired them.

Maybe White can't coach. Maybe Allen just hasn't hit a rhythm. Way too early to say. I know there have been more than a couple times this season where Jimmy Whitt looked pretty lost or ineffective. Not for one second did I jump to the conclusion that he's not going to be the player we wanted/hoped he would be. But KeVaughn Allen can hoop. He's even a pretty solid shooter. I have no clue what's going on at Florida but there's going to be a transition just as there is with most coaching changes, especially when you go from a HOF coach to an up-and-comer from C-USA. We're also talking about basketball. Things change so many times within a season that this will all probably be a non-issue in a couple weeks or a month.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 10:31:00 pm
Maybe White can't coach. Maybe Allen just hasn't hit a rhythm. Way too early to say. I know there have been more than a couple times this season where Jimmy Whitt looked pretty lost or ineffective. Not for one second did I jump to the conclusion that he's not going to be the player we wanted/hoped he would be. But KeVaughn Allen can hoop. He's even a pretty solid shooter. I have no clue what's going on at Florida but there's going to be a transition just as there is with most coaching changes, especially when you go from a HOF coach to an up-and-comer from C-USA. We're also talking about basketball. Things change so many times within a season that this will all probably be a non-issue in a couple weeks or a month.

Whitt hasn't shot 22 3s and made only 4 of them.  Whitt has also made a higher percentage of his shots.  I think Allen just isn't that good.  He'll improve and be a marginal SEC player, like a Jabril Durham.  Maybe a little more shooting/scoring and a little less assisting.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 10:45:31 pm
Whitt hasn't shot 22 3s and made only 4 of them.  Whitt has also made a higher percentage of his shots.  I think Allen just isn't that good.  He'll improve and be a marginal SEC player, like a Jabril Durham.  Maybe a little more shooting/scoring and a little less assisting.

Whitt plays in a completely different offense where he is like the 4th option. Whitt's blown layups and turned the ball over a fair amount (number of travels). They're freshmen. But they're freshmen in different situations with different games. They'll both be All-SEC players, IMO. I haven't seen a second of KeVaughn Allen playing basketball since the 7A championship game but I see Whitt working through his struggles and trying to turn that corner. I imagine Allen will do the same. He's a good kid with a good work ethic. Combine that with talent (and, yes, he is talented -- Billy Donovan made him a priority) and things will be okay with him. But he's not a ball hog or a volume-shooter. It doesn't surprise me that he would struggle being asked to put up a bunch of shots on offense because that isn't his game. He's a poised shooter/scorer who is used to playing unselfish ball. He's always been a kid that will put up a quiet 25 points. If they want him be more aggressive, it's just going to take some time for him to find his voice.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 28, 2015, 10:51:03 pm
I'm just amazed how Hog fans continually defend opposing players and coaches.  While dogging their own who are doing no worse.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 10:58:05 pm
Whitt plays in a completely different offense where he is like the 4th option. Whitt's blown layups and turned the ball over a fair amount (number of travels). They're freshmen. But they're freshmen in different situations with different games. They'll both be All-SEC players, IMO. I haven't seen a second of KeVaughn Allen playing basketball since the 7A championship game but I see Whitt working through his struggles and trying to turn that corner. I imagine Allen will do the same. He's a good kid with a good work ethic. Combine that with talent (and, yes, he is talented -- Billy Donovan made him a priority) and things will be okay with him. But he's not a ball hog or a volume-shooter. It doesn't surprise me that he would struggle being asked to put up a bunch of shots on offense because that isn't his game. He's a poised shooter/scorer who is used to playing unselfish ball. He's always been a kid that will put up a quiet 25 points. If they want him be more aggressive, it's just going to take some time for him to find his voice.

Whitt has outplayed him in every aspect.  Allen has been terrible.  You're one of those guys who heard some good things about a "top recruit" from some recruiting services and just can't figure out that sometimes they are just wrong.  It's ok.  Keep waiting on him to "catch up".  You'll be waiting for awhile.  Likely a lot longer than Florida fans.  They'll move on pretty quickly once they realize making him a "priority" was a mistake.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 11:00:48 pm
Funniest thing all season is hearing you calk him a poised shooter and scorer!  He's shooting 30% overall and is 4-22 from 3 thus far.  Hilarious.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 11:09:33 pm
Whitt has outplayed him in every aspect.  Allen has been terrible.  You're one of those guys who heard some good things about a "top recruit" from some recruiting services and just can't figure out that sometimes they are just wrong.  It's ok.  Keep waiting on him to "catch up".  You'll be waiting for awhile.  Likely a lot longer than Florida fans.  They'll move on pretty quickly once they realize making him a "priority" was a mistake.

I saw the kid play at least 10 times in high school. I'm not relying on any recruiting analysis. I've seen it in person.

And my point isn't that Jimmy Whitt hasn't been better, it's that he hasn't exactly looked like the stud many of us thought he'd be...because it's early. Put KeVaughn in a role similar to what Whitt has with the Hogs and he plays much better, more efficient. Because that's his game. He's thrive with Moses, Bell and Hannahs out there with him. I don't know what kind of O Florida is running but it sounds like they're struggling to have someone emerge from the backcourt. We haven't had that with Bell and Hannahs, so we can afford Whitt to work through stuff. Just my thoughts at a cursory glance not know anything about Florida and everything about Arkansas.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 11:11:31 pm
Funniest thing all season is hearing you calk him a poised shooter and scorer!  He's shooting 30% overall and is 4-22 from 3 thus far.  Hilarious.

The first 5-6 games of a kid's college career don't define. You don't go with the smallest sample size just because it fits your agenda.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 11:14:18 pm
I saw the kid play at least 10 times in high school. I'm not relying on any recruiting analysis. I've seen it in person.

And my point isn't that Jimmy Whitt hasn't been better, it's that he hasn't exactly looked like the stud many of us thought he'd be...because it's early. Put KeVaughn in a role similar to what Whitt has with the Hogs and he plays much better, more efficient. Because that's his game. He's thrive with Moses, Bell and Hannahs out there with him. I don't know what kind of O Florida is running but it sounds like they're struggling to have someone emerge from the backcourt. We haven't had that with Bell and Hannahs, so we can afford Whitt to work through stuff. Just my thoughts at a cursory glance not know anything about Florida and everything about Arkansas.

So, he's a dumbass, too, for not coming here to shine.  I think he's not very good and will underperform relative to his recruiting ranking.  I also think Whitt vastly outperforms him.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 11:16:07 pm
The first 5-6 games of a kid's college career don't define. You don't go with the smallest sample size just because it fits your agenda.

No shiz.  It is a first college level impression.  Most times, those are pretty accurate for me in regards to basketball.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 11:30:19 pm
I'm just amazed how Hog fans continually defend opposing players and coaches.  While dogging their own who are doing no worse.


Ain't that the truth!  It is that attitude that leads to overrated players like Allen thinking they are too good for Arkansas.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 28, 2015, 11:31:30 pm
So, he's a dumbass, too, for not coming here to shine.  I think he's not very good and will underperform relative to his recruiting ranking.  I also think Whitt vastly outperforms him.

I definitely think he would have been great in this system. I don't question him going with Billy Donovan but I do question him going with Michael White.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 28, 2015, 11:45:36 pm
I definitely think he would have been great in this system. I don't question him going with Billy Donovan but I do question him going with Michael White.

I think he would've been average in this system.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 29, 2015, 08:06:53 am
I think he would've been average in this system.

That much is obvious. You also don't really know much about and probably haven't seen him actually play outside of some highlights.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 29, 2015, 08:19:05 am
That much is obvious. You also don't really know much about and probably haven't seen him actually play outside of some highlights.

Keep thinking that if it makes you feel superior....
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Kevin on November 29, 2015, 09:09:08 am
so some make themselves feel better at the struggles of a freshman on another team
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on November 29, 2015, 09:38:35 am
so some make themselves feel better at the struggles of a freshman on another team

It's a form of denial.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Cure on November 29, 2015, 10:00:30 am
So, he's a dumbass, too, for not coming here to shine.  I think he's not very good and will underperform relative to his recruiting ranking.  I also think Whitt vastly outperforms him.
Shine in that offense? You mean shine on the fastbreak because they don't have many good halfcourt sets.

Allen will get developed under White.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 29, 2015, 10:26:08 am
Shine in that offense? You mean shine on the fastbreak because they don't have many good halfcourt sets.

Allen will get developed under White.
Like Mick under Self?
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on November 29, 2015, 10:52:49 am
Like Mick under Self?

All of the CMA haters and bashers on Hogville agreed that with proper coaching and development under a real X's and O's coach who knows how to teach defense and can teach set plays in the half court, Mickleson would be a helluva college player, if not a sure fire NBA 1st rounder. All you heard from them was the constant bleat, CMA coach baaaad, baaaad.

Now, none of them will step up and own that stinking load of crap that they were selling about how it was CMA's fault that Mickelson didn't become a star but now that Self has done no better, it's all on Mickelson.

Loving the hypocrisy on Hogville.

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 29, 2015, 10:56:10 am
It's a form of denial.

Or.....pointing out the obvious.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 29, 2015, 11:00:21 am
Shine in that offense? You mean shine on the fastbreak because they don't have many good halfcourt sets.

Allen will get developed under White.

Hawg Red thinks Allen could shine in our offense, not me.  I think he'd be average.  However, I can tell you one thing with certainty, he is a much better fit in an offense where he can get junk buckets because he can't do much else well.  Maybe if he was shooting more layups in transition, he could shoot better than 30%.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 29, 2015, 11:05:58 am
All of the CMA haters and bashers on Hogville agreed that with proper coaching and development under a real X's and O's coach who knows how to teach defense and can teach set plays in the half court, Mickleson would be a helluva college player, if not a sure fire NBA 1st rounder. All you heard from them was the constant bleat, CMA coach baaaad, baaaad.

Now, none of them will step up and own that stinking load of crap that they were selling about how it was CMA's fault that Mickelson didn't become a star but now that Self has done no better, it's all on Mickelson.

Loving the hypocrisy on Hogville.
what's really funny is he's gotten worse under Self.  So by their logic, Anderson is the better coach.  Yet, they say he can't coach.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on November 29, 2015, 11:20:01 am
what's really funny is he's gotten worse under Self.  So by their logic, Anderson is the better coach.  Yet, they say he can't coach.

He did look pretty bad in that game against Vandy. When Diallo gets there, Mickleson will be anchored to the bench. Gotta produce when you get the opportunity. After getting a whole year with KU trainers, assistants and Jedi Master Bill Self, he still plays like he did as a sophomore at Arkansas. Obvious they can't develop talent at KU.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on November 29, 2015, 11:24:06 am
Hawg Red thinks Allen could shine in our offense, not me.  I think he'd be average.  However, I can tell you one thing with certainty, he is a much better fit in an offense where he can get junk buckets because he can't do much else well.  Maybe if he was shooting more layups in transition, he could shoot better than 30%.

I'm glad he is not lighting it up at Florida because I don't root for kids that didn't want to play for us. However, I think he will end up pretty good, no matter the system. Maybe not All SEC good but decent at least. He would probably be a little further ahead though if he were playing with us. Could probably use some better coaching.  ;)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 29, 2015, 11:54:01 am
I'm glad he is not lighting it up at Florida because I don't root for kids that didn't want to play for us. However, I think he will end up pretty good, no matter the system. Maybe not All SEC good but decent at least. He would probably be a little further ahead though if he were playing with us. Could probably use some better coaching.  ;)

😀👍🏻 I like what you did there.  I think he'll be average overall.  I certainly hope so, since he plays for another SEC school.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: root_hawg on November 29, 2015, 01:45:19 pm
During that 21-1 run, if he shot every time and made 1, we would have won.   8)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: cmiller01 on November 29, 2015, 03:14:43 pm
what's really funny is he's gotten worse under Self.  So by their logic, Anderson is the better coach.  Yet, they say he can't coach.

I wouldn't say he got worse under Self.  His problem is that there are much more talented players on the team which limits his minutes.  His father was instrumental in the transfer and thought that Hunter would be a world beater somewhere else.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 29, 2015, 04:41:36 pm
I wouldn't say he got worse under Self.  His problem is that there are much more talented players on the team which limits his minutes.  His father was instrumental in the transfer and thought that Hunter would be a world beater somewhere else.
KS was desperate for him to step up last year (especially after Alexander mess) and this year (while NCAA dragged it's feet on Diallo).  So spare me that!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Karma on November 29, 2015, 04:54:02 pm
Not sure Allen is the type of "talent" we need to make us better.  He's a high volume shooter who can't make many.
Small sample size alert.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 29, 2015, 05:35:26 pm
Small sample size alert.

I thought that was a given.  I'm not a guy who likes to wait until a player is done with his entire career prior to making an assessment.  I hate those people.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on November 29, 2015, 06:13:50 pm
I thought that was a given.  I'm not a guy who likes to wait until a player is done with his entire career prior to making an assessment.  I hate those people.

The problem with what you just said, though, is that earlier you said that assessment "lined up" with what you thought about him coming out of high school. That is the problem here, IMO. Because that shows you were completely and wholly ignorant to him coming out of high school. So you are making a quick assessment (you can make one some time between the first 6 games and the final college game, you know) based on a few games and saying it matches up with something that never happened. Had you actually seen KeVaughn Allen play in high school, you know he wasn't a high-volume shooter or a chucker. You exposed yourself there. No one cares if you don't like the kid because he went to Florida and no one is asking you to wait until his college career is over to form an opinion, but you've formed an opinion based on a lie.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Cure on November 29, 2015, 07:29:01 pm
Like Mick under Self?
Point taken, every player does not work out no matter how well you recruit, but there is no discrediting the development that Self does each year with his players, especially his bigs. You cannot say the same for MA.

I'm not sure how you can expect to get talented players to the Hill and win on a consistent basis if they can't see results. You can see the coaches around the country who don't get highly rated players, but continue to go deep in the tournament and that's coaching. It is also why the in-state players will go elsewhere, not his recruiting ability.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jdunhog on November 29, 2015, 07:33:05 pm
Mickelson and Clarke should have stayed at Arkansas
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 29, 2015, 07:58:57 pm
Point taken, every player does not work out no matter how well you recruit, but there is no discrediting the development that Self does each year with his players, especially his bigs. You cannot say the same for MA.

I'm not sure how you can expect to get talented players to the Hill and win on a consistent basis if they can't see results. You can see the coaches around the country who don't get highly rated players, but continue to go deep in the tournament and that's coaching. It is also why the in-state players will go elsewhere, not his recruiting ability.
Just gonna toss this out there even tho I know it won't deter you from posting nonsense:  Off the top of my head, DeMarre Carroll, Phil Pressey,  Bobby Portis, Qualls, Coty Clarke, all are players who improved under Anderson.  Pressey regressed badly after Anderson left.  Mick has done worse at KS than at AR.  Why can't you and today's recruits see that?
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Swinesong1 on November 29, 2015, 08:00:58 pm
Point taken, every player does not work out no matter how well you recruit, but there is no discrediting the development that Self does each year with his players, especially his bigs. You cannot say the same for MA.

I'm not sure how you can expect to get talented players to the Hill and win on a consistent basis if they can't see results. You can see the coaches around the country who don't get highly rated players, but continue to go deep in the tournament and that's coaching. It is also why the in-state players will go elsewhere, not his recruiting ability.
There was also a very detailed piece written about how highly rated players have gotten progressively worse the longer Self "developed" them.  You might want to Google that too.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Cure on November 29, 2015, 08:54:25 pm
Just gonna toss this out there even tho I know it won't deter you from posting nonsense:  Off the top of my head, DeMarre Carroll, Phil Pressey,  Bobby Portis, Qualls, Coty Clarke, all are players who improved under Anderson.  Pressey regressed badly after Anderson left.  Mick has done worse at KS than at AR.  Why can't you and today's recruits see that?
Qualls, Portis, Pressey all hit the camp circuits over the summer and worked hard individually at their games. Carroll transferred into Mizzou after 2 years. Only one of those players was a sure thing coming out of the program and he was the goods before he even touched campus.

Have you been to the practices on campus? Mickelson was a project to begin with, but you can name several players that have played under MA that regressed or didn't improve at all after making the jump to D-1. His stats aren't indicative of his improvement at KU, he'd get that just by going against better competition every day, but hey I'm sure he'd have much better stats getting up and down the floor in transition at Arkansas.

Why is that you refuse to see that his style of ball isn't anything close to the pro game and a big turn off recruiting wise? How many of his staff members have been getting looks from other programs? 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: dsims2k3 on December 02, 2015, 02:58:42 pm
Qualls, Portis, Pressey all hit the camp circuits over the summer and worked hard individually at their games. Carroll transferred into Mizzou after 2 years. Only one of those players was a sure thing coming out of the program and he was the goods before he even touched campus.

Have you been to the practices on campus? Mickelson was a project to begin with, but you can name several players that have played under MA that regressed or didn't improve at all after making the jump to D-1. His stats aren't indicative of his improvement at KU, he'd get that just by going against better competition every day, but hey I'm sure he'd have much better stats getting up and down the floor in transition at Arkansas.

Why is that you refuse to see that his style of ball isn't anything close to the pro game and a big turn off recruiting wise? How many of his staff members have been getting looks from other programs?

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami)

MIAMI — When a team shoots poorly but commits only four turnovers, as the Spurs did in Game 1, it’s survivable. But when San Antonio committed 17 turnovers against Miami in Game 2, another poor shooting performance meant death by the Heat transition machine.
The ball did not go in the basket for San Antonio on Sunday, and Miami rolled to a 103-84 win to tie the NBA Finals at one game apiece.
Up until the point Gregg Popovich found the nearest white towel and gave it a wave, the Spurs were having a strangely terrible night shooting the ball. They were 9-for-16 from beyond the arc, but a 15-for-45 performance from 2-point range through the first 40 minutes of the game absolutely killed any chance San Antonio had to recover from the 17 turnovers. Especially when Miami had just six of them.
Giving the ball away to the Heat, a team that struggled to score when the Spurs’ defense was set, is typically the end of the line. When one of the most electrifying transition teams in the NBA gets opportunities to get out in the open court, momentum swings can be devastating. This team plays with an ignition switch no one else has, so the last thing San Antonio can afford to do is give it extra opportunities. It’s like the Heat turned on a water faucet and broke off the handle, and the shots never stopped pouring down.
Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker combined to shoot 30.3 percent from the floor and committed nine of the team’s turnovers. As Pop said, that’s never good.
“Defense has something to do with it. Just missing shots has something to do with it. No matter how you slice it, it’s 10-for-33 (shooting by the Big 3),” he said. “Missing shots and not shooting well and turning it over is a bad combination.”
But San Antonio was very much in this game, despite the poor performance. Danny Green — who hit all six of his shot attempts, including five 3-pointers — drove baseline for a layup that put the Spurs up 62-61 with 3:50 to play in the third quarter. Then the floodgates opened. The Heat went on a 33-5 run over the next 7:58, fueled by six Spurs turnovers during that span.
In the blink of an eye, it was over, and that isn’t a new phenomenon for Miami’s opponents. It’s happened regularly over the past three years.


Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: intelligence on December 02, 2015, 04:37:46 pm
I watched Kevaugn Allen play last night for florida, and though his shot is bad he's already made an impact for the gators. He brings instant energy to the court and is a good passer.

In one sequence he drove baseline and tried to throw down a dunk, but was rejected at the rim. a second later, he was catching a pass on the wing and draining a 3. on the following trip, he drained another 3 pointer from the same spot. He's not a very good shooter, but his name was being called alot last night for hustle plays, setting up teammates and playing great defense. This myth that he is a terrible player is nonsense.

Truth is he just didn't want to be a Razorback, like Mike Irwin stated.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on December 02, 2015, 04:57:54 pm
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami)

MIAMI — When a team shoots poorly but commits only four turnovers, as the Spurs did in Game 1, it’s survivable. But when San Antonio committed 17 turnovers against Miami in Game 2, another poor shooting performance meant death by the Heat transition machine.
The ball did not go in the basket for San Antonio on Sunday, and Miami rolled to a 103-84 win to tie the NBA Finals at one game apiece.
Up until the point Gregg Popovich found the nearest white towel and gave it a wave, the Spurs were having a strangely terrible night shooting the ball. They were 9-for-16 from beyond the arc, but a 15-for-45 performance from 2-point range through the first 40 minutes of the game absolutely killed any chance San Antonio had to recover from the 17 turnovers. Especially when Miami had just six of them.
Giving the ball away to the Heat, a team that struggled to score when the Spurs’ defense was set, is typically the end of the line. When one of the most electrifying transition teams in the NBA gets opportunities to get out in the open court, momentum swings can be devastating. This team plays with an ignition switch no one else has, so the last thing San Antonio can afford to do is give it extra opportunities. It’s like the Heat turned on a water faucet and broke off the handle, and the shots never stopped pouring down.
Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker combined to shoot 30.3 percent from the floor and committed nine of the team’s turnovers. As Pop said, that’s never good.
“Defense has something to do with it. Just missing shots has something to do with it. No matter how you slice it, it’s 10-for-33 (shooting by the Big 3),” he said. “Missing shots and not shooting well and turning it over is a bad combination.”
But San Antonio was very much in this game, despite the poor performance. Danny Green — who hit all six of his shot attempts, including five 3-pointers — drove baseline for a layup that put the Spurs up 62-61 with 3:50 to play in the third quarter. Then the floodgates opened. The Heat went on a 33-5 run over the next 7:58, fueled by six Spurs turnovers during that span.
In the blink of an eye, it was over, and that isn’t a new phenomenon for Miami’s opponents. It’s happened regularly over the past three years.


Golden State gets up and down pretty quick too. The style works, just needs the horses.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on December 02, 2015, 05:04:04 pm
This myth that he is a terrible player is nonsense.
Truth is he just didn't want to be a Razorback, like Mike Irwin stated.

Don't see anyone (well, maybe one) saying he is a terrible player. He may end up being decent at Florida but who cares. Quincy Lewis ended up being decent at Minnesota (I think that is where he went, I lose track of them when they go elsewhere) but I couldn't tell you anything at all about the type of player he was in college because I didn't watch a single game, nor did I care to. If I did watch Florida, it would be because they are an SEC opponent and I watch all of them. KeVaughn would have to be playing like a lottery pick for me to tune in just to see what he is doing right now.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 02, 2015, 07:00:59 pm
I watched Kevaugn Allen play last night for florida, and though his shot is bad he's already made an impact for the gators. He brings instant energy to the court and is a good passer.

In one sequence he drove baseline and tried to throw down a dunk, but was rejected at the rim. a second later, he was catching a pass on the wing and draining a 3. on the following trip, he drained another 3 pointer from the same spot. He's not a very good shooter, but his name was being called alot last night for hustle plays, setting up teammates and playing great defense. This myth that he is a terrible player is nonsense.

Truth is he just didn't want to be a Razorback, like Mike Irwin stated.

I assume this is the only game you've seen of him this year.  He has been terrible prior to this game.  He is not going to be a terrible player.  He will just be an average player overall.  He is not particularly tall or long, not overly athletic, and is obviously not a great shooter.  He isn't as good as his rating.  Period.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: MountieDawg on December 03, 2015, 06:57:15 am
He is playing more than 20 minutes a game and he is 6-1. Most everyone wanted him to be a hog, he is starting slow but no need to call him a failure. This place is full of hate and far from common sense.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 03, 2015, 07:36:17 am
He is playing more than 20 minutes a game and he is 6-1. Most everyone wanted him to be a hog, he is starting slow but no need to call him a failure. This place is full of hate and far from common sense.

He is certainly not 6-1.  His team is 6-1 in spite of his poor shooting.  Nobody called him a failure, drama queen.  He had been terrible in the first 6 games.  He just had his best game yet.  I don't think he'll be terrible.  He'll just end up being an average SEC player who shoots more than his skill warrants.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: MountieDawg on December 03, 2015, 08:59:29 am
Drama Queens are those who consistently bash 17 and 18 year old kids because they didn't pick the school you would have if you could throw a football or shoot a basketball yourself.  You are on Kevaughn just like Malik, Archie and others that didn't pick the Razorbacks. Kids choosing teams that have recently won national championships in football and recently been to Elite 8's, Final Fours and won NC's in the past 10 years makes sense.  20 years ago when you grew up in Arkansas and you could just read the local paper or Democrat and only see the local news covering the hogs it was the easy decision, now the internet has removed the state borderlines and you can hear just as much or more about Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, Ohio State and others in the Top 25.
Kids see those teams and those kids in the national public eye and they want the same thing.  They have no idea who THE HOGFATHER is and  they don't make their decisions on making sure you are happy.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: TomBigBeeHog on December 03, 2015, 09:30:19 am
Unless he becomes an All-American, I won't have more than a passing interest in what he is doing. Not spiteful, I just lose interest in a kids career when he leaves and goes somewhere else unless they trash us on the way to where they are going, no hard feelings. Malik was a little different but still, I was over that within 6 hours.

As to KeVaughn's shot volume, I am surprised that he has struggled to put the ball in the hole somewhat. I saw him play at the Rumble on the Ridge in his junior season. He showed a nice stroke on the 3 then. I was hoping he would be a Hog and I asked him was he thinking about coming here. He didn't say much. You can tell he is shy. He said he was thinking about playing for the Hogs but probably was just saying it to be nice. I was really hoping to get him because I liked how he finished at the rim and he could score all over the court. Maybe he will get it going, maybe not.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 03, 2015, 02:07:58 pm
Drama Queens are those who consistently bash 17 and 18 year old kids because they didn't pick the school you would have if you could throw a football or shoot a basketball yourself.  You are on Kevaughn just like Malik, Archie and others that didn't pick the Razorbacks. Kids choosing teams that have recently won national championships in football and recently been to Elite 8's, Final Fours and won NC's in the past 10 years makes sense.  20 years ago when you grew up in Arkansas and you could just read the local paper or Democrat and only see the local news covering the hogs it was the easy decision, now the internet has removed the state borderlines and you can hear just as much or more about Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, Ohio State and others in the Top 25.
Kids see those teams and those kids in the national public eye and they want the same thing.  They have no idea who THE HOGFATHER is and  they don't make their decisions on making sure you are happy.

Malik and Goodwin are different, ESPECIALLY Monk.  You won't see me saying Goodwin and especially Monk aren't good or are just average.   You won't see me calling them overrated.  Just Allen.  Allen is nowhere close to Goodwin or Monk in regards to skill level, athleticism, size, length, shooting ability, etc., and he went to play for Michael White, who has never coached a team to an NCAA tournament appearance.

You have probably seen me saying that Kentucky does nothing for them in regards to getting to the NBA and in some cases, it can hurt their draft stock by going there.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: MountieDawg on December 03, 2015, 02:12:19 pm
Malik and Goodwin are different, ESPECIALLY Monk.  You won't see me saying Goodwin and especially Monk aren't good or are just average.   You won't see me calling overrated.  Just Allen.  Allen is nowhere close to Goodwin or Monk in regards to skill level, athleticism, size, length, shooting ability, etc., and he went to play for Michael White, who has never coached a team to an NCAA tournament appearance.

You have probably seen me saying that Kentucky does nothing for them in regards to getting to the NBA and in some cases, it can hurt their draft stock by going there.

Understandable.... 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: HogBreath on December 04, 2015, 04:04:00 pm
I think he'd make this team worse.  He doesn't realize his ability.
Apparently neither did Billy Donovan, or Mike Anderson.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on December 04, 2015, 04:31:14 pm
Malik and Goodwin are different, ESPECIALLY Monk.  You won't see me saying Goodwin and especially Monk aren't good or are just average.   You won't see me calling them overrated.  Just Allen.  Allen is nowhere close to Goodwin or Monk in regards to skill level, athleticism, size, length, shooting ability, etc., and he went to play for Michael White, who has never coached a team to an NCAA tournament appearance.

You have probably seen me saying that Kentucky does nothing for them in regards to getting to the NBA and in some cases, it can hurt their draft stock by going there.

Allen wasn't rated by the recruiting services as highly as Goodwin or Monk.  Madden was rated higher than Allen. 

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Karma on December 04, 2015, 05:09:10 pm
I assume this is the only game you've seen of him this year.  He has been terrible prior to this game.  He is not going to be a terrible player.  He will just be an average player overall.  He is not particularly tall or long, not overly athletic, and is obviously not a great shooter.  He isn't as good as his rating.  Period.
After 7 games you can tell that a highly rated player will be average in his career. Tell me how Jimmy Whitt winds up based on his start.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 04, 2015, 09:11:26 pm
After 7 games you can tell that a highly rated player will be average in his career. Tell me how Jimmy Whitt winds up based on his start.

Better than Allen.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Cure on December 14, 2015, 12:29:48 pm
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/heat-spurs-nba-finals-defense-turnovers-miami)

MIAMI — When a team shoots poorly but commits only four turnovers, as the Spurs did in Game 1, it’s survivable. But when San Antonio committed 17 turnovers against Miami in Game 2, another poor shooting performance meant death by the Heat transition machine.
I liked that Miami Heat team, their defense when locked in was a thing of beauty, but the strength of that defense was used against them by San Antonio and thus dethroning them. Arkansas isn't Miami with a dominant perimeter defender and they are winning off halfcourt defense, they're intent is to press to cause problems. A coached team will beat a press handily.
Golden State gets up and down pretty quick too. The style works, just needs the horses.
The problem with the system isn't the pace, it's the lacking of improving basketball IQ. It is why Arkansas shudders any time they see a zone defense.

Playing for more possessions isn't the problem, the problem comes when the game is slowed down into a halfcourt game and players like Kevaugh who can break down a defense off the dribble get their teammates good looks.

The offense is as basic as you can get and it still isn't executed that well. Hard screens, energy off the ball, and shot selection.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 17, 2015, 12:39:51 pm
 Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 8m8 minutes ago

Mike White, on shot selection, "we've subbed for shot selection at times, but there's a fine line with that."

White on Ke Vaughn Allen, said he's feeling better after being banged up last week, "one of these games he's going to fill it up."
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 17, 2015, 03:02:47 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 8m8 minutes ago

Mike White, on shot selection, "we've subbed for shot selection at times, but there's a fine line with that."

White on Ke Vaughn Allen, said he's feeling better after being banged up last week, "one of these games he's going to fill it up."

Well, gosh, they play at least 31 games.  One out of 31+ ain't bad, I guess.

At his shooting %, he's going to have to shoot it 100 times to "fill it up".
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hawginbigd1 on December 17, 2015, 04:06:10 pm
I wouldn't say he got worse under Self.  His problem is that there are much more talented players on the team which limits his minutes.  His father was instrumental in the transfer and thought that Hunter would be a world beater somewhere else.
IMO mick and his father are the problem, he appears no stronger, agile, or athletic than he was for us day 1. They were spoiled and don't have the desire to work to be better! A cat with his size and touch should be a lottery pick, but you have to have the work ethic to match!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: azhog10 on December 17, 2015, 04:10:55 pm
The problem with what you just said, though, is that earlier you said that assessment "lined up" with what you thought about him coming out of high school. That is the problem here, IMO. Because that shows you were completely and wholly ignorant to him coming out of high school. So you are making a quick assessment (you can make one some time between the first 6 games and the final college game, you know) based on a few games and saying it matches up with something that never happened. Had you actually seen KeVaughn Allen play in high school, you know he wasn't a high-volume shooter or a chucker. You exposed yourself there. No one cares if you don't like the kid because he went to Florida and no one is asking you to wait until his college career is over to form an opinion, but you've formed an opinion based on a lie.
Characterize high volume? Not that this is high volume but if you are shooting more shots than you have points, i'm not impressed. So with Kevaugh, I'm not impressed, high school was and should have been different. But in AAU he was a high volume, shoot more than he scores type of player.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 19, 2015, 09:08:49 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops Dec 17

After back-to-back losses to ranked teams, adjustments on way for Gator offense - via @Gator_sports http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20151217/ARTICLES/151219738 …

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Mike White was pleased with his team's resolve last Saturday in taking No. 1 Michigan State down to the wire before losing a close game. But White's goal this week has been to get UF's offense back on track heading into a critical matchup Saturday against Oklahoma State at the Orange Bowl Classic in Sunrise.

In dropping back-to-back road games at No. 15 Miami and No. 1 Michigan State, the Gators averaged just 53.5 points, shooting 35.9 percent from the floor (41-114) and 16.7 percent from 3-point range (5-30).

White said some of Florida's scoring struggles in its 58-52 loss at Michigan State had to do with playing on the road in front of a raucous crowd. But in reviewing the film, White also felt the Gators were stagnant during some first-half stretches.

“Some of it is us, as well,” White said. “We've got to move our bodies a little bit better. We've got to move the ball a little bit better. We've got to get more paint touches. Whether that's throwing inside to the post or penetrating to pitch to get those types of looks, as opposed to one-two-pass and 3-point attempts. That will be our focus here over the next few days.”

...

FREE THROWS: White said freshman guard KeVaughn Allen, who dealt with some knee tendinitis and groin issues last week, is feeling better after some time off this week. “If that ball goes in for him a little bit, he'll feel really good,” White said. “He's really capable and he's gonna have a game sometime here soon where he fills it up and he's dealing with the freshman-itis that every other freshman here in the country just about, other than a few of them, are dealing with. It's all a part of the process.” ...
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 20, 2015, 06:49:09 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 8h8 hours ago

Florida outlasts Oklahoma State in OB Classic- via @Gator_sports http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20151219/ARTICLES/151219661 …

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SUNRISE — With better ball movement, some intensity on defense and some big shots finally falling from the perimeter, Florida picked up a needed win against a power-five conference opponent on Saturday night.

Senior forward Dorian Finney-Smith led five Florida scorers in double figures with 16 points, lifting the Gators to a 72-70 win over Oklahoma State at the Orange Bowl Classic in Sunrise.

“We really shared the basketball well,” Florida coach Mike White said. “Executed pretty well. Took pretty good shots. I just thought overall by far and away it was our best offensive performance when you take into account it was against a quality program defensively.”

Devin Robinson added 13 points for Florida (7-3), as the Gators snapped a two-game losing streak. Chris Chiozza and KeVaughn Allen (3-3 2pt, 1-3 3pt, 2-2 FT) had 11 points apiece, while center John Egbunu had 10 points despite going 2 of 9 from the free-throw line.

The Gators went 12 of 26 from the charity stripe...

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 22, 2015, 08:53:49 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 16h16 hours ago

White talks Hill-Chiozza playing together, rotation - http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13316/white-talks-hill-chiozza-playing-together-rotation/ … (via #sociablesite) http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13316/white-talks-hill-chiozza-playing-together-rotation/ …

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Given that point guards Chris Chiozza and Kasey Hill both have played at a high level over the last two games, Florida coach Mike White was asked if the two could play together more frequently moving forward.

If Kasey continues to play really well and Chris continues to play consistent, we’ll play those guys more and more together,” White said. “But KeVaughn Allen and Brandone Francis-Ramirez, I’m sure would have something to say, regarding that. because KeVaughn is coming off his best game and Brandone had his best practice in about a month. Those are good problems to have.

“At certain times of the year, maybe we can play three guards, maybe we can play three little guys and not be as good on the offensive glass but be a better ball-handling or better shooting team if those guys are in a rhythm making shots. I’m open for whatever, just whatever helps us win that particular game.”

Allen is coming off one of his better games of the season against Oklahoma State, finishing with 11 points, 2 steals and 2 rebounds.

- Allen just gave his second interview of the season on Monday. The soft-spoken, 6-foot-2 freshman guard from North Little Rock, Ark., remains shy, but has let his game do the talking on-and-off this season. Coming off his third double-figure scoring game of the season against Oklahoma State (11 points),  Allen is averaging 6.7 points on the season.

Allen was asked if he’s getting more adjusted to the speed of the college game, “It’s been a big adjustment, but overall, I’ve been getting used to it,” Allen said. “The speed of the game, just trying to put myself in situations.” Allen also said he feels like he needs to be more assertive. “In college, it might not seem like you are open, but you really are,” Allen said. “That’s when you have to have confidence and just step up and just knock down shots, just know the separation that they give you, you’ve got to shoot it.”
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 22, 2015, 11:12:27 am
“In college, it might not seem like you are open, but you really are,” Allen said. “That’s when you have to have confidence and just step up and just knock down shots, just know the separation that they give you, you’ve got to shoot it.”

Or, in his case, not knock them down and keep shooting!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 24, 2015, 06:46:53 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops Dec 22

Despite blowout win over Jacksonville, Florida coach Mike White not pleased w/first-half effort - via @Gator_sports http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20151222/ARTICLES/151229891 …

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Mike White was worried this week about what he called “Christmas-itis”, the tendency for players to look ahead to the holiday break and not take an overmatched opponent seriously.

After a lackluster defensive effort in the first half, Florida pulled away for an 89-65 win over Jacksonville before an announced crowd of 9,083 at the O’Connell Center.

Still, White found some fault in the 25-point win. Florida (8-3) led just 39-31 in the first half and 42-37 early in the second half before getting its game in first gear.

“I wasn’t pleased with our physical and mental effort,” White said. “Defensively, I thought the first half was our worst defensive half of the year. We did some things offensively.”

Freshman guard KeVaughn Allen led four Florida scorers in double-figures with a career-high 15 points.

Allen, also, continued to show confidence offensively. The 6-foot-2 freshman guard from North Little Rock, Ark., went 5-of-10 from the floor, scoring 5 of 6 two-point baskets on drives to the hoop and mid-range jumpers.

Coming off an 11-point effort against Oklahoma State, Allen posted back-to-back double-figure games for the first time this season.

“He was tremendous in the open floor,” White said. “I thought he made some good passes as well. He showed how athletic and explosive he is. Three assists to zero turnovers for a freshman guard, is a really good sign. Made good decisions.”

Florida went with its fourth different starting lineup in four games. Egbunu returned to the starting lineup at center for Kevarrius Hayes, while Allen replaced struggling redshirt freshman Brandone Francis-Ramirez at shooting guard.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 29, 2015, 08:03:43 pm
Ok, give it to me.  😀  I still say he'll have more games closer to 1-17 than he does 10-18.  However, 30+ is impressive. 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: choppedporkextrasauce on December 29, 2015, 08:19:27 pm
I absolutely do not care about this kid.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 30, 2015, 10:32:32 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 14h14 hours ago Sanford, FL

Allen's 32 points most by a Gator freshman since Matt Walsh scored 33 v. Miami on Dec. 21, 2002.


Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 15h15 hours ago Sanford, FL

Florida 4-24 from 3, don't understand shooting a 3 there, even with Allen.


matt walsh ‏@mattyvincent44 7m7 minutes ago

@gatorhoops wow I'm shocked that number still holds up, I'm sure he will break it his year!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 30, 2015, 10:41:38 am
matt walsh ‏@mattyvincent44 7m7 minutes ago

@gatorhoops wow I'm shocked that number still holds up, I'm sure he will break it his year!

If Allen breaks Walsh's record, I will never say an ill word about his ability ever again and will forever admit that I was wrong about Allen.  No chance he does that.  I say this was an anomaly.

As I said in my last post, he'll have many, many, many more 1-18 nights than he does 10-18.  He's a volume shooter who can score a bunch if his shot is on.  The problem is, his shot isn't on often enough.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 30, 2015, 10:52:11 am
23.8% from 3 during the non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 30, 2015, 10:56:32 am
23.8% from 3 during the non-conference schedule.

And, before last night (3-7), I believe it was right at 20% and his FG% at 36%.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 30, 2015, 12:51:21 pm
Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 13h13 hours ago

@gatorhoops @Jasonkessler15  Great seeing u Kevin /u r a tireless worker/ Gators need to recruit some shooters
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 03, 2016, 05:30:51 pm
Last 4 games, he's averaging 19 points and shooting 35% from 3, 53% from the field overall. Three of those 4 games were against P5 schools. Playing much closer to what he was in high school. Spin it all you want, he starting to settle down. I'd take half that production from Jimmy Whitt right now, but these two guys are going in opposite directions since this thread was first started.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 03, 2016, 09:12:10 pm
Yep, he's still shooting a lot, but has made more of them recently.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 03, 2016, 09:24:15 pm
Seems to me Kevaughn has settled in and is more comfortable now than at the beginning of the season.
I will be surprised if he reverts back to his beginning of the season shooting %.
Hogfather got to disagree with you on KA.
He will be more than your run of the mill mediocre SEC player.
There's star potential there.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 03, 2016, 09:29:13 pm
I'm sure many will disagree.  I think he'll end up being an average SEC player, but will have games like these last few because he shoots a lot. 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 03, 2016, 09:33:06 pm
I'm sure many will disagree.  I think he'll end up being an average SEC player, but will have games like these last few because he shoots a lot. 

I think he's shooting a lot because that's what his coach wants him to do.
Time will tell whether he can hold up to it.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 04, 2016, 09:53:07 am
I'm sure many will disagree.  I think he'll end up being an average SEC player, but will have games like these last few because he shoots a lot.

He took 18 shots against FSU. Not more than 11 in any game in that 4 game stretch, and not more than 12 in any other game this season. He's averaging 8.6 shot attempts on the season. That would be 4th if he were on Arkansas' roster (and just 0.1 attempts per game ahead of Beard). He's taking 0.6 shots more per game than Jimmy Whitt.

But he shoots a lot. Sure.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 05, 2016, 01:04:24 pm
Gatorsports.com ‏@Gator_sports 20h20 hours ago

UF freshman Allen picking up the pace http://bit.ly/1PJ4XbJ

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“He’s not just a driver,” White said. “He’s not just a spot-up shooter. He’s kind of a volume guy and we need him to be a volume guy. He’s got the ability to get in space in transition, when he’s in space, he’s got tremendous explosive ability, speed and quickness, change of direction, but he’s also got ability to sprint into shots. He’s got ability to get himself shots on attacks and close outs. So it’s really just a little bit of everything for him.”
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 05, 2016, 01:08:37 pm
He took 18 shots against FSU. Not more than 11 in any game in that 4 game stretch, and not more than 12 in any other game this season. He's averaging 8.6 shot attempts on the season. That would be 4th if he were on Arkansas' roster (and just 0.01 attempts per game ahead of Beard). He's taking 0.06 shots more per game than Jimmy Whitt.

But he shoots a lot. Sure.

Volume sounds like "shoots a lot" to me.  Sure, they say they want him to (for now).

Gatorsports.com ‏@Gator_sports 20h20 hours ago

UF freshman Allen picking up the pace http://bit.ly/1PJ4XbJ

“He’s not just a driver,” White said. “He’s not just a spot-up shooter. He’s kind of a volume guy and we need him to be a volume guy. He’s got the ability to get in space in transition, when he’s in space, he’s got tremendous explosive ability, speed and quickness, change of direction, but he’s also got ability to sprint into shots. He’s got ability to get himself shots on attacks and close outs. So it’s really just a little bit of everything for him.”

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 05, 2016, 01:38:08 pm
Volume sounds like "shoots a lot" to me.  Sure, they say they want him to (for now).

I don't care what "volume" sounds like to you. The FACT of the matter is that he attempts less than 9 shots per game on average. I could make an argument that he doesn't even qualify as a volume shooter. He's attempted 8 more shots this year than Jimmy Whitt, who I sometimes forget is even on the team despite the fact that he might or might not be on the court when I watch the team on any given possession.

Stick to the agenda, though. Cling to any little quote that you think helps you out. Go for it. But the reality is that KeVaughn Allen really doesn't take that many shots.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 05, 2016, 02:14:21 pm
I don't care what "volume" sounds like to you. The FACT of the matter is that he attempts less than 9 shots per game on average. I could make an argument that he doesn't even qualify as a volume shooter. He's attempted 8 more shots this year than Jimmy Whitt, who I sometimes forget is even on the team despite the fact that he might or might not be on the court when I watch the team on any given possession.

Stick to the agenda, though. Cling to any little quote that you think helps you out. Go for it. But the reality is that KeVaughn Allen really doesn't take that many shots.

Volume shooter means the same to anyone with any sort of brain.

I don't really care if you or anyone else agrees with me in regards to Allen.  I think he's going to be an average SEC player.  He has put together a couple of good games.  If he continues to do that throughout his career, I'll eat my words.  As of right now, he's a volume shooter (shoots a lot) who has been making enough for his coach to continue to allow him to be a volume shooter.  That wasn't the case early and I don't expect it to be consistently in the future.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 05, 2016, 02:27:47 pm
Volume shooter means the same to anyone with any sort of brain.

I don't really care if you or anyone else agrees with me in regards to Allen.  I think he's going to be an average SEC player.  He has put together a couple of good games.  If he continues to do that throughout his career, I'll eat my words.  As of right now, he's a volume shooter (shoots a lot) who has been making enough for his coach to continue to allow him to be a volume shooter.  That wasn't the case early and I don't expect it to be consistently in the future.

Is Jimmy Whitt a volume shooter?
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on January 06, 2016, 11:43:35 am
Kevaughn Allen in his last 4 games is averaging: (against Georgia, Florida St., Oklahoma St, and Jacksonville)

19.0 ppg, 53% shooting, 2.8 rebs, 1.8 asts, 1.5 stls.

Wish we had that. Great job Mike letting him go.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 06, 2016, 01:11:36 pm
 Mike White figured it was merely a matter of time before shooting guard KeVaughn Allen found his range.

But even White is surprised how honed in the Gators' freshman has been lately. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/swamp-things-blog/os-gators-kevaughn-allen-fulfilling-promise-20160104-post.html)

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When coach Billy Donovan bolted for the NBA, White made locking up Allen one of his top priorities before leaving Louisiana Tech for Gainesville.

"I went to KeVaughn’s house before I even got to campus, because I was up in Ruston (La.) already," White recalled. "First order of business was an opportunity to sit down with each of the guys who had signed with coach Donovan and his staff. KeVaughn being the closest to Ruston was the first guy we had an opportunity to see as a staff.

The ulimate gym rat, Allen recently was denied access to UF's practice facility because his key card did not work. The reason: it was 4:30 a.m.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 06, 2016, 02:48:48 pm
I think Allen is a really good kid and I sure wish he was a Hog.
I'm glad he's doing well - now I hope he stinks up the floor when Florida and the Hogs play.
I want any kid from Arkansas to be successful - as long as they didn't disrespect the Hogs in the recruiting process.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 06, 2016, 06:08:36 pm
Florida and Tenn are on ESPN2 right now if anyone is interested in watching Allen play.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2016, 07:51:49 pm
Florida and Tenn are on ESPN2 right now if anyone is interested in watching Allen play.

Off game, although he scored several in garbage time.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 06, 2016, 07:55:55 pm
Florida and Tenn are on ESPN2 right now if anyone is interested in watching Allen play.

King of junk buckets and bailouts on forced shots.  Had 11 official attempts. (One junk 3 when they were down 28 out of 5 attempts).  Got bailed out on another 4 shots for some FTs, which to his credit, he converted 7-8.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 06, 2016, 08:14:18 pm
King of junk buckets and bailouts on forced shots.  Had 11 official attempts. (One junk 3 when they were down 28 out of 5 attempts).  Got bailed out on another 4 attempts for some FTs.

This dude up here taking notes.

Obsessed.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 07, 2016, 06:32:39 am
I won't judge any Florida player on that game last night. It was almost unwatchable.
Florida team as a whole was just bad.
The road hasn't been kind in the SEC the last few days - the big boys dropping games (Vandy, Florida and Kentucky).
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 07, 2016, 06:39:33 am
This dude up here taking notes.

Obsessed.

I watched the game, just like I do most SEC games, dude.

You seem obsessed with me.  Keeping tabs on me and my opinion of Allen.

Obsessed.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 07, 2016, 08:52:31 am
I watched the game, just like I do most SEC games, dude.

You seem obsessed with me.  Keeping tabs on me and my opinion of Allen.

Obsessed.

Look, you were clearly posting off a notepad because you knew what happened with every single one of his shots. That's beyond just watching an SEC game. You're obsessed with picking apart every aspect of his shot selection. And, yeah, I do keep coming back to this thread to see what you've come up with next when I see that you've posted. I know exactly what kind of player KeVaughn Allen is and I have a pretty good idea of what he'll become, but it's entertaining to read your desperate spin on things now that you've dug in on this description of a chucker who will be nothing more than an average SEC player. Funny that he's producing game after game at this point. Average players don't do that.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 07, 2016, 11:45:44 am
Look, you were clearly posting off a notepad because you knew what happened with every single one of his shots. That's beyond just watching an SEC game. You're obsessed with picking apart every aspect of his shot selection. And, yeah, I do keep coming back to this thread to see what you've come up with next when I see that you've posted. I know exactly what kind of player KeVaughn Allen is and I have a pretty good idea of what he'll become, but it's entertaining to read your desperate spin on things now that you've dug in on this description of a chucker who will be nothing more than an average SEC player. Funny that he's producing game after game at this point. Average players don't do that.

Look, I watched the game and got the specifics from an app that had stats.  I could've given all of what I said without the numbers just off the top of my head.  His shot selection was pretty much non-existent, he drove wildly at times and was bailed out on several wild drives, he scored most of his points when they were down 20+ points late in the 2nd half, he made a large majority of his FTs, he only made one 3 out of a bunch of attempts, etc.  I wasn't taking notes.  I watched the game, made my assessment, had an idea of his numbers, and got the specific numbers from the app, so I didn't post made up numbers.

Allen is a "volume shooter" (shoots a lot), according to his head coach (and said by me previously), who will score a lot at times when his shot is on and will hurt his team when his shot isn't on and he keeps chucking.  A major reason why they got down so much in the 1st half was empty possessions on the offensive end.  I'm not sure he made a shot in the 1st half (maybe one), but he probably shot (including when he was fouled and missed shots) about 8-10 times.

He's "producing" game after game at this point because he's attempting tons of shots in game after game.

His last 4 games, he's had 10, 18, 11, and 11 attempts.  He actually tries to shoot the ball about 3 or 4 more times than that per game, but they don't count as attempts because he gets fouled.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 07, 2016, 12:39:57 pm
Look, I watched the game and got the specifics from an app that had stats.  I could've given all of what I said without the numbers just off the top of my head.  His shot selection was pretty much non-existent, he drove wildly at times and was bailed out on several wild drives, he scored most of his points when they were down 20+ points late in the 2nd half, he made a large majority of his FTs, he only made one 3 out of a bunch of attempts, etc.  I wasn't taking notes.  I watched the game, made my assessment, had an idea of his numbers, and got the specific numbers from the app, so I didn't post made up numbers.

Allen is a "volume shooter" (shoots a lot), according to his head coach (and said by me previously), who will score a lot at times when his shot is on and will hurt his team when his shot isn't on and he keeps chucking.  A major reason why they got down so much in the 1st half was empty possessions on the offensive end.  I'm not sure he made a shot in the 1st half (maybe one), but he probably shot (including when he was fouled and missed shots) about 8-10 times.

He's "producing" game after game at this point because he's attempting tons of shots in game after game.

His last 4 games, he's had 10, 18, 11, and 11 attempts.  He actually tries to shoot the ball about 3 or 4 more times than that per game, but they don't count as attempts because he gets fouled.

I was teasing you about taking notes, though it's quite obvious you give him extra attention. It definitely looks like his shooting volume is on the rise, but it also looks like he's better than your average SEC player. Well on his way to All-Freshman in the SEC. Not something your average SEC freshman does.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 07, 2016, 12:58:48 pm
I was teasing you about taking notes, though it's quite obvious you give him extra attention. It definitely looks like his shooting volume is on the rise, but it also looks like he's better than your average SEC player. Well on his way to All-Freshman in the SEC. Not something your average SEC freshman does.

I guess it just depends on what you want from a kid (and what they are asked to do).  If we're judging on scoring the ball, he's certainly picked it up and, if you are just looking at scoring output, looks above average.  However, to me, a guy who dominates the ball when on the court better be making a very high percentage of his shots (and not just junk baskets in garbage time).  When he shot the ball 8-10 times in the 1st half (including 0fer 3 or 4 from 3), with several turnovers and fouls, and only a few points in 15+ minutes, as your team digs a 15-20 point hole, he certainly looked like a liability to their team.  And, he probably scored 10+ in the last 5 minutes of the game, when the game had been decided and Tennessee stopped playing with intensity.

So, while he ended the game with 18 points, how many of those were when they were actually needed?  How many of those shots where he kept firing in the 1st half should've actually been shot by someone else on the team who could've been more effective and possibly kept them in the game?

Now, to be fair, it appeared not many on the Florida squad came to play in this game.  Maybe it was just a function of that.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 09, 2016, 07:41:30 am
Brockway: Latest Line lists Florida as 3.5-point favorite at home vs. LSU. Have to say I'm a little surprised. (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20160108/ARTICLES/160109707)

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Florida freshman guard KeVaughn Allen has led the Gators in scoring in each of the last four games, averaging 20.8 points per game in that span. … Florida is shooting 37.5 percent from 3-point range in SEC play after shooting just 27.4 percent from beyond the arc in non-conference games. …

LSU features two starters who played high school basketball in the state of the Florida -- forward Ben Simmons (Montverde Academy) and guard Antonio Blakeney (Oak Ridge High, Orlando). … Florida will make its second attempt at its 600th SEC win.The Gators are 599-624 all-time in conference play.

— Kevin Brockway
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 09, 2016, 09:24:53 am
Randy Rosetta ‏@RandyRosetta 12h12 hours ago

Freshman KeVaughn Allen has blossomed into a go-to scorer for Florida: Know the foe http://s.nola.com/6RQ0BbM  via @nolanews

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North Little Rock, Ark., native has scored in double digits in five straight games and has produced 18 points in each of the first two SEC contests.

Though Allen had some moments early in the season, it has been the last three weeks when he has really started to look comfortable.

Starting with an 11-point performance against Oklahoma State, Allen has averaged 18.8 points over the five games while shooting 29-for-56 (51.8%) overall and 28-for-31 from the foul stripe.

"He's not just a driver," White said recently in a story in The Gainesville Sun. "He's not just a spot-up shooter. He's kind of a volume guy and we need him to be a volume guy. He's got the ability to get in space in transition, when he's in space, he's got tremendous explosive ability, speed and quickness, change of direction, but he's also got ability to sprint into shots. He's got ability to get himself shots on attacks and close outs. So it's really just a little bit of everything for him."

Getting comfortable didn't happen overnight for Allen. He scuffled at times early in the season and Michigan State completely took him out of the equation and he was so ineffective that he played only 9 minutes, a season-low.

On a team with a veteran and proven scorer in Dorian Finney-Smith and other veteran with top-shelf credentials (Kasey Hill was a McDonald's All-American), Allen took some time to find and then establish a role.

There's little doubt that Florida needs him to look for his shots now, though.

"He also shouldn't shoulder the burden of being our leading scorer night in and night out," White said. "That's fine if he is. As a freshman he shouldn't feel that pressure. We've got to do it by committee."

LSU at Florida

WHEN: 12:30 p.m. Saturday

WHERE: O'Connell Center | Gainesville, Fla.

Radio: WWL 870-AM/105.3-FM, WDGL-FM 98.1 (Baton Rouge)

TV: CBS

Records: LSU 9-5, 2-0 SEC; Florida 9-5, 2-0
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 09, 2016, 03:54:15 pm
Edgar Thompson ‏@osgators 1h1 hour ago

#Gators beat LSU 68-62 behind the 3-point shooting of Justin Leon and FT shooting of John Egbunu.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 09, 2016, 05:23:16 pm
Same type of game today as against Tenner, just with less free throws.  Started about 1-10 (0-3 from 3) before hiting a few shots.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 09, 2016, 05:32:33 pm
He looks to have had a pretty poor shooting day today. Ironically, the only play of his that I was able to see was the one in the second half where he blazed down the court and dished off to a teammate who then got fouled shooting a layup. I'll admit, I was expecting to try to take up himself but he made a great pass. Never understood the posters who said he wasn't a great athlete.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 12, 2016, 09:43:07 pm
Another stellar night.  0-4 (0-3).  Also, y'all see Whitt tonight?
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 16, 2016, 08:00:45 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  9m9 minutes ago Georgia, USA
At the half, Florida 49, Ole Miss 30. Allen with 20 points to lead #Gators,  Finney-Smith with 12 points.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 17, 2016, 04:38:00 pm
Daniel Paulling ‏@DanielPaulling 19h19 hours ago

Kennedy: Scouting on UF guard KeVaughn Allen was atrocious: http://on.thec-l.com/1RXtNVd

AK: This is the one guy we cannot let get going ... We made some atrocious errors in scouting on KeVaughn Allen.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: intelligence on January 17, 2016, 05:00:56 pm
He looks to have had a pretty poor shooting day today. Ironically, the only play of his that I was able to see was the one in the second half where he blazed down the court and dished off to a teammate who then got fouled shooting a layup. I'll admit, I was expecting to try to take up himself but he made a great pass. Never understood the posters who said he wasn't a great athlete.

they were and still are legally blind.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 17, 2016, 05:50:02 pm
Allen would have been a great fit for Arkansas - hate seeing him at Florida.
He's really, really good running the floor.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 17, 2016, 09:47:04 pm
Daniel Paulling ‏@DanielPaulling 19h19 hours ago

Kennedy: Scouting on UF guard KeVaughn Allen was atrocious: http://on.thec-l.com/1RXtNVd

AK: This is the one guy we cannot let get going ... We made some atrocious errors in scouting on KeVaughn Allen.

Sounds like Kennedy let Hogfather do the scouting on KeVaughn.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 19, 2016, 10:26:16 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  2h2 hours ago Spring Hill, FL
Howland complementary of KeVaughn Allen as well, "He's an NBA level athlete."
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 20, 2016, 11:04:43 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  2h2 hours ago Spring Hill, FL
Howland complementary of KeVaughn Allen as well, "He's an NBA level athlete."

We'll see.  If so, I'll eat some crow.  I did notice his wording, though.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: azhog10 on January 20, 2016, 11:22:02 am

Wish we had that. Great job Mike letting him go.
Of all the dumb things you've said this ranks right up there with the best of them. CMA didn't "let" him go. CMA recruited Kevaughn till Kevaughn told the hogs he wasn't interested and wasn't coming. Everyone thought there might be a chance we get him late after BD left, but that was just his dad running his mouth with no real intention of anything happening. Kevaughn never reached out to CMA and that's how things were left. IF KA truly wanted to come here the door was open, but he didn't.

This staff may not be loaded with great "recruiters" but to act like we just "let" a kid leave is just stupid. The staff works their tails off recruiting, and that should not be questioned.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 20, 2016, 11:52:56 am
I just remember Bill Ingram raving about Kavaughn (on Wes and Mike's show) -
in his mind this kid was ending up in the NBA.
Ingram doesn't come across as a guy that just blows smoke.
I know some on here disagree, but obviously White believes in him.
He's playing a huge role for the Gators this year.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 20, 2016, 12:05:49 pm
KeVaughn would have to develop his PG skills to really make it in the NBA. And that's entirely possible. I've seen the play-making passing ability in the action I've seen him in at Florida (though they're obviously leaning on him more to score right now), and obviously I saw it when he was at NLR. He's gotten faster since he was at NLR, IMO. A lot of posters knocked his athleticism.

He's just a freshman, but obviously the talent and athleticism is there. He's rising to the occasion in conference play and in a major role on that team. Shame he didn't want to be a Hog, but he's a good kid that works hard. He just didn't want to stay home and play for the Hogs for whatever reason. I still don't know what the exact reason is or if it's just about the Cotton thing.

Don't know about the NBA right now, but he'll definitely be an All-SEC pick next year and then any subsequent season at Florida. There's no doubt about that in my mind. Tend to believe kids who have the tools and the work ethic will find their way to the Association.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 25, 2016, 11:28:13 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 30m30 minutes ago Gainesville, FL

Florida G KeVaughn Allen has been named to the Wayman Tisdale midseason watch list, given to best freshman cbk in the country.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 26, 2016, 10:16:27 pm
Typical Allen game.  Started 2-8 (0-1).  In the final minute, when down and desperate, he goes 4-4, including 3 threes.  11 of his team high 16 scored in junk time.  If you didn't watch the game, you'd think he had a great game.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 26, 2016, 10:32:56 pm
Typical Allen game.  Started 2-8 (0-1).  In the final minute, when down and desperate, he goes 4-4, including 3 threes.  11 of his team high 16 scored in junk time.  If you didn't watch the game, you'd think he had a great game.

So...he was able to shake off a poor shooting performance in the final minutes to give his team a chance to tie/win and he had a "junk" game?

That's one way to look at it, I guess. Looks like that entire Florida team struggled to put the ball in the basket. I wouldn't consider the ability to knock down shots when you're "down and desperate" a bad thing. Sounds like he's the only reason the game was close.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 26, 2016, 10:53:57 pm
So...he was able to shake off a poor shooting performance in the final minutes to give his team a chance to tie/win and he had a "junk" game?

That's one way to look at it, I guess. Looks like that entire Florida team struggled to put the ball in the basket. I wouldn't consider the ability to knock shots when you're "down and desperate" a bad thing. Sounds like he's the only reason the game was close.

Did you watch the game?  Everyone likes to look at the final line and say he had a "great game", when he really just padded his stats in the last minute.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 27, 2016, 06:15:59 am
Did you watch the game?  Everyone likes to look at the final line and say he had a "great game", when he really just padded his stats in the last minute.

Nope, didn't watch the game. Also never said he had a great game. But I know they were down like 12 or 13 when I last checked the score in regulation and they ended up losing by 1 point. At some point in that final minute, you have to admit that it goes from padding your stats to "oh stuff, is Florida going to take this to OT?" That was because of KeVaughn Allen. They somewhat of a chance to make a game of it, albeit very late and a very small chance, in the final minute. No one on that Gator roster shot the ball well (except for KeVaughn, who I know was 2/7 at the half when I checked the score so he only took one other shot before the final minute or so).

Say whatever you want about Allen, but he didn't quit and it almost paid off for Florida. Your collection of evidence for being an average SEC player is dwindling as now even his bad games are better than most players in the league's good games.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 27, 2016, 07:55:06 am
Nope, didn't watch the game. Also never said he had a great game. But I know they were down like 12 or 13 when I last checked the score in regulation and they ended up losing by 1 point. At some point in that final minute, you have to admit that it goes from padding your stats to "oh stuff, is Florida going to take this to OT?" That was because of KeVaughn Allen. They somewhat of a chance to make a game of it, albeit very late and a very small chance, in the final minute. No one on that Gator roster shot the ball well (except for KeVaughn, who I know was 2/7 at the half when I checked the score so he only took one other shot before the final minute or so).

Say whatever you want about Allen, but he didn't quit and it almost paid off for Florida. Your collection of evidence for being an average SEC player is dwindling as now even his bad games are better than most players in the league's good games.

As I have said in the past, I guess it depends on what you consider a good/great player in the SEC.  Is it only scoring, no matter how that scoring is done?  No matter how many shots it takes?  No matter when a majority of those points are scored (in garbage/desperation time)?

I agree that it was good that he didn't give up and him suddenly making shots in the final minute, which he had not done all game long, gave them a chance at the end.  However, I would argue that part of the reason they were down so much and needed every shot he took/made in the final minute (and more) was because of a hole he helped dig by shooting a bunch of shots in the 1st half and not making many.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 27, 2016, 08:09:38 am
As I have said in the past, I guess it depends on what you consider a good/great player in the SEC.  Is it only scoring, no matter how that scoring is done?  No matter how many shots it takes?  No matter when a majority of those points are scored (in garbage/desperation time)?

I agree that it was good that he didn't give up and him suddenly making shots in the final minute, which he had not done all game long, gave them a chance at the end.  However, I would argue that part of the reason they were down so much and needed every shot he took/made in the final minute (and more) was because of a hole he helped dig by shooting a bunch of shots in the 1st half and not making many.

Again, just like the rest of the team? When I checked at halftime, I think there was a player shooting 40% for Florida and that was the best %. They shot 33% as a team for the game. They shot 29% if you take out KeVaughn's shots. Just a poor road performance by an entire team, but sure, let's put it all on the "average" freshman.

BTW, KeVaughn's SEC averages are 14.6 points, 3.8 rebounds, 1.25 steals, 47.5% FG, 43.6% 3PT, and 82.6% FT. I get that there have been a couple of games where most of his production has come really late after struggling, but that has not been the case in most games. And he's shooting the ball really well in conference play. His % in conference play look a lot like Anthlon Bell's or Dusty Hannah's, but I bet you wouldn't call either one of those guys a "shooting guard who can't shoot."

To me, a good SEC player is someone who is effective scoring the ball (check), is clearly better than most players in the league (so starter or 6th man quality - check), has All-SEC potential (check), is a player opposing defenses have to gameplan for (check), possesses top athleticism (check). There's probably more, but that's what I think of off the top of my head and KeVaughn has checked all of those boxes so far. Why you can't just admit that the kid is good and you didn't think he would be is beyond me. He's a freshman and his game hasn't been perfected or peaked yet, but he's clearly one of the top probably 3 freshmen in the conference. It's okay to admit he's good and is only going to get better. That doesn't make you any less of a Razorback fan. It doesn't make you a Gator fan or even a fan of KeVaughn. It makes you objective.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 27, 2016, 08:16:00 am
Well - I think Kevaughn is going to be a great player - and a player that contributes for a number of years.
Not just a one and done ball hog that helps for one year.
I hated we didn't get him out of high school and I hate it even worse now.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 27, 2016, 08:53:55 am
I still say he's just a high volume shooter who can shoot you into and out of games.  Normally, he starts off missing a bunch of shots, helping to dig his team a hole, and then makes a ton in garbage/desperation time, making his percentages and ppg numbers look decent.  If that's what you consider good/great, fine.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 27, 2016, 08:59:11 am
I still say he's just a high volume shooter who can shoot you into and out of games.  Normally, he starts off missing a bunch of shots, helping to dig his team a hole, and then makes a ton in garbage/desperation time, making his percentages and ppg numbers look decent.  If that's what you consider good/great, fine.

I've liked Kevaughn better than most on this board since last year in high school.
Time will tell.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 27, 2016, 09:00:12 am
I've liked Kevaughn better than most on this board since last year in high school.
Time will tell.

Good for you.  I hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 27, 2016, 09:03:26 am
Good for you.  I hope it works out for you.

It has nothing to do with me.
It's just an opinion that happens to differ from yours about the kid's playing ability.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 27, 2016, 09:07:21 am
I still say he's just a high volume shooter who can shoot you into and out of games.  Normally, he starts off missing a bunch of shots, helping to dig his team a hole, and then makes a ton in garbage/desperation time, making his percentages and ppg numbers look decent.  If that's what you consider good/great, fine.

He's on the Wayman Tisdale Watchlist (top freshman in the country). You seem to have a minority opinion on the kid, but to your credit, you're standing your ground. I'm sure it won't be awkward for you when he's named All-SEC next season.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 27, 2016, 09:14:19 am
He's on the Wayman Tisdale Watchlist (top freshman in the country). You seem to have a minority opinion on the kid, but to your credit, you're standing your ground. I'm sure it won't be awkward for you when he's named All-SEC next season.

The main measurement for awards like that is PPG.  He's certainly shooting enough to put up a decent amount of points, even if 75% of them are in garbage/desperation time.

And, if he makes All-SEC next season, I will certainly admit I was wrong about him, even though they often put a larger emphasis on PPG, like many of the other awards/teams.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on January 27, 2016, 09:17:57 am
The main measurement for awards like that is PPG.  He's certainly shooting enough to put up a decent amount of points, even if 75% of them are in garbage/desperation time.

Then why isn't Malik Newman on that watchlist? I'm sure there are other freshman averaging more PPG than KeVaughn.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 27, 2016, 09:30:44 am
Then why isn't Malik Newman on that watchlist? I'm sure there are other freshman averaging more PPG than KeVaughn.

Oversight?  Not enough garbage buckets?  I don't know.  I'm not privy to that information.

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ROASHE on January 31, 2016, 06:44:48 am
How about that.....KeVaughn only took 8 shots and scored 19 points against the 9th-ranked team in the country and the best defensive team in the country to boot.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400809416
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on February 01, 2016, 10:59:44 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJMKNRWwAA0_ZP.jpg)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 01, 2016, 11:05:42 am
How about that.....KeVaughn only took 8 shots and scored 19 points against the 9th-ranked team in the country and the best defensive team in the country to boot.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400809416

I've tried to reply to this thread about 3 times now, but it wouldn't post.  Not sure what happened.  I was saying that I thought this was his best game yet.  He started the game with 8 quick points (2 threes and a layup).  He cooled off after that (missed all 3 of his remaining 3-point attempts), but hit all of his FTs (9-9) to help his team.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on February 01, 2016, 11:05:35 am
How about that.....KeVaughn only took 8 shots and scored 19 points against the 9th-ranked team in the country and the best defensive team in the country to boot.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400809416

And 11 of his 19 points came in the first half, when the outcome was still up for grabs. No "junk points" there.

Hopefully he has an off game on Wednesday, though. Wouldn't mind seeing an 0fer in that one.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ROASHE on February 01, 2016, 12:23:36 pm
I've tried to reply to this thread about 3 times now, but it wouldn't post.  Not sure what happened.  I was saying that I thought this was his best game yet.  He started the game with 8 quick points (2 threes and a layup).  He cooled off after that (missed all 3 of his remaining 3-point attempts), but hit all of his FTs (9-9) to help his team.

I'm still missing the shot volume part. He averages 9 shots a game (which isn't very much in the grand scheme of a game), and a shade under 12 points per game. Not sure why you hate him so much but your arguments hold no water.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 14, 2016, 06:12:52 am
Poor shooting dooms Florida vs. Alabama (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20160213/ARTICLES/160219828)

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Florida had plenty of trips down the floor, plenty of second chances, to overcome its offensive malaise Saturday against Alabama.

But the Tide’s defense stiffened each time, and even with their starting backcourt fouled out, Alabama knocked off the Gators 61-55, winning its first game at the O’Connell Center since 1995.

Florida managed just two field goals in the final 6:02, both from freshman guard KeVaughn Allen, in an ugly offensive performance. While Florida players and coaches were throwing verbal bouquets about Alabama’s defensive effort postgame, it didn’t erase the fact the Gators finished the game with just five assists to 12 turnovers.

Gators shot a season-low 28.6 percent from the field and 14.3 percent (3-21) from 3-point range. With all the misses, Florida grabbed 23 offensive rebounds but managed just 11 second-chance points, missing countless shots close to the basket. Alabama center Jimmie Taylor played rim protector throughout the game, finishing with 11 points and five blocked shots, helping the Tide (15-9, 6-6 SEC) snap an 11-game losing streak to Florida dating back to 2008.

“For us, unfortunately, we rely on Finney-Smith so much,” Florida coach Mike White said. “It’s a big burden on him to shoulder. When he’s not in a great rhythm, when people don’t see him getting baskets and playing with swagger, we don’t play with as much confidence. And that’s a big problem.”
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 17, 2016, 09:11:31 am
Some observations following Florida’s 57-53 win at Georgia (http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13388/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-floridas-57-53-win-over-georgia)

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...Florida coach Mike White said he continues to have to remind Allen to stay aggressive throughout the game. “I tell him that 20 times a day,” White said. “That’s his gift. He can go get baskets, and he’s good defensively too. KeVaughn, he’s very conscientious, sometimes we need to prod him if he’s missed a couple and so-and-so hasn’t gotten a touch in a couple of trips. Sometimes he has too much going on in his mind and we have to prod him to be really aggressive.”
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 20, 2016, 12:56:41 pm
David Cloninger ‏@DCTheState  2m2 minutes ago
Allen steps on the line running out the inbound pass. USC ball on its end, 1.5 seconds. Tie game.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 23, 2016, 08:39:01 pm
Wonder if they were telling him to shoot all night tonight?  In 32 minutes, 0-7 (0-3 from 3).  3 points, all on FTs.  STUUUUD.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 27, 2016, 09:08:37 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  10m10 minutes ago Texas, USA
KeVaughn Allen finally playing assertive, may be too little, too late.

With 7:50 left, LSU leads Florida 65-52. There have been chances for #Gators to make a run, but not enough offense, missed FTs.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 27, 2016, 10:43:41 pm
2-6 (0-4)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ROASHE on February 29, 2016, 11:26:25 am
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20160229/articles/160229687

85th best player in Gator history already according to this list
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 29, 2016, 12:07:35 pm
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20160229/articles/160229687

85th best player in Gator history already according to this list

I want to go to the award ceremony!
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 01, 2016, 08:52:38 pm
I've liked Kevaughn better than most on this board since last year in high school.
Time will tell.

Kevaughn Iverson started 1-7 and finished 5-16 (2-6 from 3).  I guess they were telling him to shoot all night.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 01, 2016, 08:57:19 pm
Last 4 games:  10-37 (27%) and 2-16 (12.5%) from 3.  STUD.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: yraciv on March 01, 2016, 09:02:17 pm
Last 4 games:  10-37 (27%) and 2-16 (12.5%).  STUD.

FR wall. rest of FL hasn't been lighting it up lately either
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 01, 2016, 09:04:35 pm
FR wall. rest of FL hasn't been lighting it up lately either

Figured that was coming.  He's back to how he started the year.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 03, 2016, 11:09:12 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops Mar 1

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from Florida's 88-79 loss to Kentucky - http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13403/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-floridas-88-79-loss-to-kentucky/ … (via #sociablesite) http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13403/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-floridas-88-79-loss-to-kentucky/ …

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Some observations following Florida’s 88-79 loss to Kentucky:

Freshman shooting guard KeVaughn Allen was more aggressive but couldn’t get shots to fall, finishing with 15 points on 5 of 16 shooting.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 03, 2016, 12:46:35 pm
I find it a bit humorous that people seem to commend him for being "more aggressive" by shooting more shots, even though he isn't making many.

Last 4 games:  10-37 (27%) and 2-16 (12.5%) from 3

White probably should be telling him to be less aggressive.  :)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 05, 2016, 08:47:54 pm
I find it a bit humorous that people seem to commend him for being "more aggressive" by shooting more shots, even though he isn't making many.

Last 4 games:  10-37 (27%) and 2-16 (12.5%) from 3

White probably should be telling him to be less aggressive.  :)

3-12 (1-6 from 3) tonight.  Ended up with 13 points, 4 of which were garbage time FTs.

Last 5 games:  13-49 (26.5%) and 3-22 (13.6%) from 3.  Continuing to be a stud.

Hilarious that a 1-6 night can raise your 3-point % for the last 5 games.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 09, 2016, 07:31:48 am
Florida senior forward Dorian Finney-Smith was named to the All-SEC second team Tuesday, while freshman guard KeVaughn Allen was named to the All-SEC freshman team. (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20160308/ARTICLES/160309724)

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6-foot-2 Allen has averaged 11.5 points per game this season. He started all 18 conference games and helped lead UF to a pair of big road wins in conference play at Ole Miss (27 points on 9-of-11 shooting) and at Georgia (19 points on 7-of-13 shooting).

Kentucky sophomore point guard Tyler Ulis was named SEC player of the year, while LSU forward Ben Simmons was named SEC freshman of the year.

The eight-seeded Gators (18-13) open SEC Tournament play Thursday afternoon against ninth-seed Arkansas (16-15, 9-9 SEC).
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 10, 2016, 02:00:08 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 52s52 seconds ago Nashville, TN

Allen dribbles off his foot, unforced turnover, ugh.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 11, 2016, 12:11:21 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 14s15 seconds ago Nashville, TN

Big 3-pointer there by KeVaughn Allen to stop Texas A&M's momentum.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 11, 2016, 02:07:17 pm
Alex Maminakis ‏@alexmaminakis 4m4 minutes ago

Allen misses a tough shot and A&M shooting 2 more FTs leading 70-66. 16.1 seconds remaining

Final: Florida falls to Texas A&M 72-66 in SEC Tournament quarterfinals.

Jordan McPherson ‏@J_McPherson1126 3m3 minutes ago

Jordan McPherson Retweeted Alex Maminakis

Next stop: NIT
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 12, 2016, 08:41:00 am
Brent Zwerneman ‏@BrentZwerneman 18h18 hours ago Nashville, TN

Final box from Texas A&M 72, Florida 66 in SEC Tourney:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdSwdjJWoAInpop.jpg)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 23, 2016, 10:14:03 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  52m52 minutes ago
Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF's 82-77 loss at George Washington - http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13427/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-floridas-82-77-loss-at-george-washington/ …

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– A pair of freshman played well for Florida in its season finale. Freshman guard KeVaughn Allen finished with 22 points, while freshman Kevarrius Hayes matched his career high with 14 points and 6 rebounds. Allen and Hayes will be important players for the Gators to build around in future seasons.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 24, 2016, 07:48:10 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops  52m52 minutes ago
Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF's 82-77 loss at George Washington - http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13427/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-floridas-82-77-loss-at-george-washington/ …


Another bad 3-point shooting night from him, though.  2-7 (29%).  If didn't jack up so many 3s, he might be able to be much more effective and efficient.  He was 6-8 (75%) from 2.  Of course, a lot of those shots were layups.  GW wasn't playing much defense from what I saw.  I saw about 15 minutes of it and Florida players were getting to the rim at will.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on August 08, 2016, 09:04:19 am
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 2h2 hours ago

SEC Preseason First-Team: De'Aaron Fox (UK), J.J. Frazier (UGA), Kevaughn Allen (UF), Bam Adebayo (UK), Tyler Davis (A&M).
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on August 09, 2016, 11:37:29 am
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 2h2 hours ago

SEC Preseason First-Team: De'Aaron Fox (UK), J.J. Frazier (UGA), Kevaughn Allen (UF), Bam Adebayo (UK), Tyler Davis (A&M).


No telling how many shots he'd have to take to make First Team SEC.  Maybe a couple hundred per game.  Make about 15, giving him a nice, healthy scoring average.  ;)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on October 07, 2016, 07:26:22 am
Florida will look to improve on a team that struggled to shoot the ball throughout the season. The Gators finished 12th in the SEC in free-throw shooting percentage (64.7 percent), and 13th in 3-point shooting percentage (31.9 percent). (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20161006/ARTICLES/161009970?p=all&tc=pgall)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: ShadowHawg on October 07, 2016, 09:36:05 pm
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 2h2 hours ago

SEC Preseason First-Team: De'Aaron Fox (UK), J.J. Frazier (UGA), Kevaughn Allen (UF), Bam Adebayo (UK), Tyler Davis (A&M).

KA had some of the worst stats against the BEST teams in the league last season. He struggled big time against teams with talented guards. Unless he has gotten much better, there is no way he should be a pre season first teamer.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 04, 2016, 09:55:31 am
https://twitter.com/gatorhoops/status/794295911711145984

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— After going 4 of 10 from the field in last week’s preseason game against Eckerd, and 0 of 3 from 3-point range, Florida sophomore guard KeVaughn Allen got on a roll during the intra-squad scrimmage portion of the practice, making three straight 3-point attempts and a 16-foot jumper. “Unitl the Eckerd game, that first three weeks of practice or so, he was shooting it as well as anyone, if not better than anyone,” Florida coach Mike White said. “Last couple of days, he’s back to that form.”

— At the end of practice, John Egbunu and Kasey Hill missed free throws, resulting in the whole team doing sprints. But Hill made two in a row late to end with success. In the same pressure situation, senior forward Justin Leon and Allen made two straight free throws.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 04, 2016, 03:52:58 pm
https://twitter.com/gatorhoops/status/794295911711145984


GREAT practice/garbage time player!  He can fill it up with the best of them when it doesn't matter (he still has to shoot it a bunch).
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 04, 2016, 03:55:43 pm
However, I did read that this guy is a redshirt freshman on their team!

(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/wkdq.com/files/2011/09/25744_382697388819_329834133819_3571630_3224316_n.jpg)
Keith Stone
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 14, 2016, 07:30:39 am
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Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 14, 2016, 09:39:10 am
(https://res.cloudinary.com/cmgverticals/image/upload/f_auto,q_80/v1479092703/MercerBox_ycoje7.png)

Yep.  2nd leading scorer.  Only took 12 shots (8 threes) to get to 13 points.

Numbers for the year so far:  5-20 (25%) FGs, 2-11 (18%) threes, 7 assists/5 turnovers (1.4-1), 5 rebounds in 55 total minutes.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 22, 2016, 10:40:11 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1K26OigolU
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on November 22, 2016, 11:12:33 am
Much better game for him.  He should never shoot more than 9 shots in a game.  I also think he shouldn't shoot 5 or more threes in a single game.  It is almost as if it doesn't matter how many threes he takes in a game because he's only going to make 2.

His last 3 games from 3:  2-8, 2-3, 2-5
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 25, 2016, 07:20:08 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 9h9 hours ago Pembroke Pines, FL

White on KeVaughn Allen -- "He was different tonight. I kinda joked with him, that's what we're waiting on. He was in a good rhythm."

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — In the post-game locker room late Thursday night, Florida coach Mike White stared down KeVaughn Allen.

"What have you been waiting for?" White asked.

Allen, as is often the case, just laughed and said little... (http://floridagators.com/news/2016/11/25/chris-harry-happy-holiday-allen-uf-hold-off-seton-hall.aspx)

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Gators stave off Seton Hall for an 81-76 victory in opening-round action of the AdvoCare Invitational Tournament at ESPN's Wide World of Sports. Backup forward Canyon Barry continued to be the UF spark off the bench with 20 points and six rebounds, as the Gators opened a season with five straight wins for the first time since 2012 and did it by beating a rugged yet hardnosed bunch from the Big East...
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 25, 2016, 10:38:21 pm
 Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 6m6 minutes ago Pembroke Pines, FL

Florida 2-14 from 3-pt range, Gonzaga 4-12.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 26, 2016, 07:36:02 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 7h7 hours ago

Cold-shooting UF suffers first loss to No. 11 Gonzaga - via @Gator_sports http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20161125/ARTICLES/161129972?tc=cr …

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Gators couldn't overcome a 2-for-19 shooting night from 3-point range. Gonzaga finished the game 7 of 16 from beyond the arc and shot 60.7 percent from the field in the second half.

“It just seemed like whenever we made a mistake, they made us pay for it, especially from 3,” Florida coach Mike White said. “Just never could find a great offensive rhythm and I thought that led to a little bit of offensive stagnancy. We just didn't have the same ball and player movement as we did in the first half.”

KeVaughn Allen added 15 points for the Gators, while center John Egbunu had 12 points and forward Canyon Barry scored 12 points off the bench.

Rick Barry said his son suffered a jammed finger before the game, which may have explained his off night (3-9 from the field, 0-3 from 3-point range).
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on November 27, 2016, 06:59:51 pm
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Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 07, 2016, 01:14:11 pm
Let me be the 1st to give him props on a great game against Duke.  If he could play like that consistently, he'd be a really good player.  Specifically, if he would stop shooting so many 3s (and stop shooting as much overall) and focus on driving to the basket, he could be much more effective.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 09, 2016, 09:32:04 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 9h9 hours ago

KeVaughn Allen said 32 point game v. FSU last season gave him confidence to be aggressive for the rest of the season.


White said FSU is as long and athletic a defense as the Gators will face all season.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 12, 2016, 07:53:57 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 14h14 hours ago

With the 83-78 loss, Florida coach Mike White drops to 6-8 in his UF tenure in games decided by 5 points or less.

KeVaughn Allen said of three fouls in first half, he thought two weren't fouls, said he thought he could play with two fouls and not get 3rd

Mike White on bringing KeVaughn back in with two fouls, said he didn't want to struggle offensively before halftime.

Senior Kasey Hill was asked to do more offensively with KeVaughn Allen in foul trouble, but it’s never ideal for a starting point guard to have an assist-to-turnover ratio of 3 to 5. Credit Hill, though, for not being afraid to drive inside despite FSU’s size and length around the basket. I felt Hill could have drove in during the closing minutes to try to draw contact and cut into FSU’s 77-74 lead in the closing minutes, but he chose to pull the ball out instead.

https://twitter.com/socalgator/status/808130651203530752
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 07, 2017, 04:58:04 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 43s43 seconds ago

Florida 2-11 from 3-point range in the first half.

Tennessee up 31-25 on #Gators. Tennessee with 15 points off turnovers in first half.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 07, 2017, 08:35:13 pm
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 2h2 hours ago

Allen, Gators handle Vols - via @Gator_sports http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20170107/ARTICLES/170109970/1180?Title=Allen-Gators-handle-Vols …

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Sophomore guard KeVaughn Allen scored a season-high 23 points Saturday, lifting No. 24 Florida to an 83-70 win over Tennessee at the O'Connell Center.

Florida (12-3, 3-0 SEC) trailed 33-32 at halftime, but scored 16 points off turnovers in the second half and 25 points off turnovers for the game.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 08, 2017, 11:50:00 am
Gators handle Vols
Ride red-hot final 20 minutes to fifth consecutive win (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20170107/ARTICLES/170109970/1180?Title=Allen-Gators-handle-Vols)

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A dash of hot shooting in the second half from sophomore guard KeVaughn Allen and some unexpected contributions allowed the Gators to remain unblemished in SEC play with an 83-70 win over the Volunteers before a sellout crowd of 10,843 at the O'Connell Center.

Florida (12-3, 3-0 SEC) won its fifth straight in an imperfect game that revealed some flaws. But unlike last Tuesday against Ole Miss, Florida closed strong, outscoring Tennessee 17-7 in the final four minutes.

“We showed a little more fight and feistiness and mental resolve to not fold,” Florida coach Mike White said. “There's a few games last year, at Tennessee last year being one, where we didn't respond really well to a hard-fought game.”

Allen scored 16 of his season-high 23 points in the second half and made four 3-pointers in the game's final eight minutes.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 19, 2017, 08:20:12 am
Kevin Brockway ‏@gatorhoops 9h9 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from No. 19 Florida’s 57-53 loss at No. 24 South Carolina - http://brockway.blogs.gatorsports.com/13598/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-no-19-floridas-57-53-loss-no-24-south-carolina/ …

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KeVaughn Allen picked up two first half fouls for his third straight game, limiting his offensive effectiveness.

White on KeVaughn Allen's recent struggles, said he planned to talk to him after the game, "he's hurting as much as anyone."

Martin on snapping UF's streak of 850 games w/at least one 3 "It means we've been consistent in what we've been doing, defending the 3."

Martin said it's a credit to his bigs and guards for closing out on UF's shooters.

https://twitter.com/Mike_McCurry16/status/821936913707835392
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 03, 2017, 11:59:35 am
 Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops 4h4 hours ago

Florida coach Mike White said KeVaughn Allen still a little sore from cramping issues on Wednesday v Arkansas, "Not sure he's 100 percent."
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 14, 2017, 01:19:26 pm
https://twitter.com/gatorhoops/status/841695126502141953
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 17, 2017, 05:43:41 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/842858803817340932
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 20, 2017, 01:10:46 pm
https://twitter.com/Michael_Carvell/status/842858803817340932

Turning it on when it counts!  Combined 3-21 from the field and 1-13 from 3 so far in the NCAAT.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 20, 2017, 05:19:17 pm
Because all other teams are our adversaries and it hurts for one of our own to join the side of our enemies. Ok, let me put it in terms hogvillians can relate to. It's sorta like if one of your Arkansas relatives left to join the Union army during the Civil War.

Some did.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on May 31, 2017, 07:41:13 am
https://twitter.com/gatorhoops/status/869669634794016768
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on June 01, 2017, 07:49:22 am
 Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops 16h16 hours ago

White also said at SEC spring meetings that G KeVaughn Allen could see more time at point backing up Chris Chiozza.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: FineAsSwine on June 01, 2017, 08:25:39 am
Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops 16h16 hours ago

White also said at SEC spring meetings that G KeVaughn Allen could see more time at point backing up Chris Chiozza.

Maybe, by his senior year, he may crack the second round of some mock drafts and get a shot somewhere. If not, definitely overseas.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 06, 2017, 09:22:22 pm
Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops 16h16 hours ago

White also said at SEC spring meetings that G KeVaughn Allen could see more time at point backing up Chris Chiozza.

Seems like it is working out swimmingly.  The guy is a wasted scholarship.  Save the talk about his averages.  He shoots 1,200 shots a game to average 12 points a game.  In fact, he only averages that many because he forces shots to get fouled.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 13, 2017, 09:06:01 am
 Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops
Dec 9

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways following UF’s 66-60 win over Cincinnati http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/12/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-following-ufs-66-60-win-cincinnati … via @GatorSports.com

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— Florida junior guard KeVaughn Allen continues to struggle. Allen went just 1 of 5 from the field with 2 points, not scoring until midway through the second half, and missed a free throw in an attempt to convert a three-point attempt. The thought going into the season was the addition of transfer perimeter threats Egor Koulechov and Jalen Hudson, Allen would get more open looks on the perimeter. But Allen has had a hard time meshing with the two newcomers. The Gators need to find a way to get their preseason All-SEC standout going.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 13, 2017, 12:02:30 pm
Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops
Dec 9

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways following UF’s 66-60 win over Cincinnati http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/12/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-following-ufs-66-60-win-cincinnati … via @GatorSports.com


Tough to play like a great player when you aren't a great player.  He's a high volume, low % guy who likes to shoot tons of 3s.  If he's on, he can score 40.  He's just not on very often.

As I said back when he chose Florida and Whitt chose us, Whitt is the better player and we are better off without Allen.  Just wish we could've figured out a way to keep Whitt.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Iceman on December 13, 2017, 01:13:50 pm
Tough to play like a great player when you aren't a great player.  He's a high volume, low % guy who likes to shoot tons of 3s.  If he's on, he can score 40.  He's just not on very often.

As I said back when he chose Florida and Whitt chose us, Whitt is the better player and we are better off without Allen.  Just wish we could've figured out a way to keep Whitt.

And right now, whitt is the better overall player.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 13, 2017, 04:03:01 pm
And right now, whitt is the better overall player.

Yep.  Guy doesn't shoot 3s, so I think he is shooting over 50% and averaging almost as many points as Allen is.  Allen shoots 5 or 6 3s a game.  Whitt rebounds better, averages more assists, steals, and blocks.  Would be really nice to have him on this Hog team right now, especially with Garland not cleared.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on December 14, 2017, 11:24:06 am
Yep.  Guy doesn't shoot 3s, so I think he is shooting over 50% and averaging almost as many points as Allen is.  Allen shoots 5 or 6 3s a game.  Whitt rebounds better, averages more assists, steals, and blocks.  Would be really nice to have him on this Hog team right now, especially with Garland not cleared.

Hogfather I've come back to this thread to eat a little crow.
Kevaughn is closer to the player you always said he would be and not so much the player I thought he would be.
You nailed that one pretty good.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 14, 2017, 12:18:47 pm
Hogfather I've come back to this thread to eat a little crow.
Kevaughn is closer to the player you always said he would be and not so much the player I thought he would be.
You nailed that one pretty good.


Hey, hoglady, you're one heck of a lady to come back and post this.  Thanks!

Sure hope the Hogs shut him down and beat his team this season!  He'll probably light us up for 38 and Florida beat us by 59.  That's usually how it works. 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on December 14, 2017, 12:30:59 pm
Hey, hoglady, you're one heck of a lady to come back and post this.  Thanks!

Sure hope the Hogs shut him down and beat his team this season!  He'll probably light us up for 38 and Florida beat us by 59.  That's usually how it works. 

Yep, hope we get the bad Kevaughn and not the good Kevaughn.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 17, 2017, 08:37:06 am
 Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops
12h12 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 71-69 loss to Clemson http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/12/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-71-69-loss-clemson … via @GatorSports.com


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Three observations following UF’s 71-69 loss to Clemson in the Orange Bowl Classic:

— For as bad as Florida played defensively down the stretch, the Gators still could have pulled off a win against Clemson with better offensive possessions in crunch time. Florida coach Mike White credited Clemson’s ball screen defense late, but the Gators had a near shot clock violation on a KeVaughn Allen heave with 40 seconds left and settled for too many perimeter shots instead of trying to get the ball inside or drive and get fouled. The Gators scored just five points in the final 7:08, which isn’t going to cut it against SEC opponents.

— One reason why Florida didn’t play as well defensively in the second half was due to playing away from its bench. Florida coach Mike White was able to direct traffic in the first half and the defensive positioning helped the Gators hold Clemson to 33 points in the first 20 minutes.  But because Florida is a quiet team on the court, the Gators were unable to help each other with positioning in the second half.

Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 17, 2017, 10:19:50 am
Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops
12h12 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 71-69 loss to Clemson http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/12/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-71-69-loss-clemson … via @GatorSports.com

 Kevin Brockway‏ @gatorhoops
17h17 hours ago

Chiozza steal and layup puts Gators up 68-67 with 1:24 left. #Gators in desperate need of a stop

A bad shot by KeVaughn Allen, then no one back on transition defense, Thomas dunk puts Clemson up 69-68 with 32 seconds left. Clemson on 12-2 run

There's .9 difference between shot and game clock

KeVaughn misses a wide open 3-point attempt, now Clemson going to the line up 69-68 wit 4.4 seconds left

Gators have been ice cold down the stretch, missed a ton of open looks late. But defensive breakdowns have been costly as well

KeVaughn 5-13 from floor, 2-8 from 3. Struggles continue

White -- "We are not the most mentality tough team. We need to grow in that area." #Gators
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: Hawg Red on December 18, 2017, 10:29:33 am
Wow. Can't believe this thread is still going.

I'm definitely surprised to see KeVaughn regress like he has thus far this season. He's still go plenty of time left to put it all together, but he has absolutely taken a step back this season. I might have misjudged him. We'll see how the rest of the season and next season play out.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 24, 2017, 08:06:16 am
Last game against Incarnate Word:
FGs:  1-9 (11%)
3s:  1-6 (17%)

Shooting 34% for the season and 29% from 3.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: FineAsSwine on December 24, 2017, 09:25:05 am
Last game against Incarnate Word:
FGs:  1-9 (11%)
3s:  1-6 (17%)

Shooting 34% for the season and 29% from 3.

Guess he won't declare for the draft this year. From what I understand, while at Florida, he was supposed to be working on his point guard skills bc that is the position he would play at the next level.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: FineAsSwine on December 24, 2017, 09:29:31 am
Tough to play like a great player when you aren't a great player.  He's a high volume, low % guy who likes to shoot tons of 3s.  If he's on, he can score 40.  He's just not on very often.

As I said back when he chose Florida and Whitt chose us, Whitt is the better player and we are better off without Allen.  Just wish we could've figured out a way to keep Whitt.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on December 24, 2017, 01:30:27 pm
Guess he won't declare for the draft this year. From what I understand, while at Florida, he was supposed to be working on his point guard skills bc that is the position he would play at the next level.

Seems to be going swimmingly.

Might be evidence that Mike White can't develop players.  He might be another Calipari, without the same recruiting prowess.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The_Bionic_Pig on December 25, 2017, 06:14:19 am
No longer a dominant rebounder/rim protector in Gatorland. 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on December 29, 2017, 08:15:45 am
 Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein

10 questions entering conference play in college hoops. The Rothstein Files @FanRagSports:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/945472918959656961/RniOVZv9?format=jpg&name=600x314) (https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/946381323643572225)

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10. Will KeVaughn Allen break out of his shooting slump?

Mike White certainly hopes so. The Gators will open SEC play this weekend against Vanderbilt and Allen is just 6-21 from three-point range in his last three games. The 6-2 junior is shooting just 34.4 percent from the field this season and 29.0 percent from three-point range. ... Florida (8-4) has struggled since scoring 100 or more points in four or its first five games and has other things it needs to refine, but this group can’t come close to reaching its potential ceiling [sic] if Allen doesn’t get back to playing like one of the best players in the SEC.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 08, 2018, 02:45:42 pm
Another stellar game.  How long can a "slump" go on before you just admit that it is normal for said player?

1-5 FG, 0-1 from 3, 3 fouls, 2 points in only 19 minutes against Missouri

Season numbers (averaging 30.8 minutes per game):

FG %:  35.7% (9.3 shots a game)
3 Pt %:  29.5% (5.2 threes a game---over half of his attempts---not good when shooting 29.5%)
Rebs:  2.5
Assists:  2.3
Steals:  1.1
Turnovers:  0.7
Points:  11.1
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 14, 2018, 07:47:23 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

UF notebook: Allen’s struggles continue in loss to Rebels http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/01/uf-notebook-allens-struggles-continue-loss-rebels/ … via @GatorSports.com
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/952354647741812736/M2meNy8J?format=jpg&name=144x144_2)

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OXFORD, Miss. — Florida coach Mike White offered an all-too-familiar refrain when alluding to starting junior shooting guard KeVaughn Allen.

“I’ve got to find a way to get him going somehow,” White said.

The 6-foot-2 Allen had another off-shooting day Saturday at Ole Miss, going 2 of 9 from the floor and 1 of 6 from 3-point range during UF’s 78-72 loss to the Rebels. Allen finished with five points, three assists and three turnovers.

There was hope that Allen could break out, considering two years ago at the The Pavilion at Ole Miss, the North Little Rock, Ark., native scored 27 points on 9-of-11 shooting as a freshman. But the rough night from the field dropped Allen to 29.1-percent shooting from 3-point range on the season (25-86) and 29.4 percent from 3-point range in SEC play (5-17).

White said he doesn’t think it’s a case of needing to go back and examine Allen’s shooting mechanics, when he shot 37 percent from 3-point range on the season.

“KeVaughn is really shooting the ball in practice and you know, we do shooting drills in practice, where he’s knocking it down really consistent,” White said. “In talking to him, he’s a man of few words, but he feels confident, he feels good about himself. I don’t know what it is …

“I would bet he would have a big game pretty soon. I was hoping it would be against the Rebels.”

Allen had a 3-pointer at the first-half buzzer to tie the score at 31 at halftime and had a pretty assist on a bounce pass to Jalen Hudson in the first half. But with Hudson in foul trouble, Allen was unable to find a groove, turning the ball over twice in traveling violations in the second half. Allen was also caught out of position at times defensively while guarding Ole Miss guard Markel Crawford.

Florida teammates remain confident Allen will snap out of his season-long funk. Allen has scored in double figures in just seven of UF’s 17 games this season.

“His spirits are high,” Florida redshirt sophomore forward Keith [Smooth] Stone said.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 14, 2018, 11:27:05 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

UF notebook: Allen’s struggles continue in loss to Rebels http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/01/uf-notebook-allens-struggles-continue-loss-rebels/ … via @GatorSports.com
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I love how they act like it is just a slump, even though a majority of his career at Florida, he has been just an average player, at best.  Basically, he had a "breakout" season last year that is an average season for a good player.  Otherwise, he has been what he has always been; a high volume, low % shooter.  He will have a couple of 20-30 point games and everyone will talk about what a scorer he is, even though it takes him 20 shots to get there.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 14, 2018, 01:00:08 pm
With that said, he'll likely go for 45 against us and it will jumpstart his season.  😜
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 17, 2018, 06:40:25 pm
With that said, he'll likely go for 45 against us and it will jumpstart his season.  😜

Never fails...
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 17, 2018, 06:43:12 pm
Never fails...

Can't miss tonight.
Pisses me off.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 17, 2018, 07:48:01 pm
Can't miss tonight.
Pisses me off.

Same here.  A 30% shooter can't miss against us.  So typical.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 17, 2018, 07:49:28 pm
Same here.  A 30% shooter can't miss against us.  So typical.

If he was shooting his like his normal self we'd be in this game.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 17, 2018, 07:51:59 pm
Same here.  A 30% shooter can't miss against us.  So typical.

They are shooting 50% as a team from 2 and 3, so it isn't just him.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 20, 2018, 10:26:21 pm
With that said, he'll likely go for 45 against us and it will jumpstart his season.  😜

Or, he'll just regress back to his norm.  4-16 (1-7 from 3), 1 rebound, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, 1 steal IN 38 FREAKING MINUTES!  Not good.

16 shots!  Bet White wishes he hadn't told him to keep shooting.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 25, 2018, 05:35:57 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
7h7 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 77-72 loss to South Carolina http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/01/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-77-72-loss-south-carolina/ … via @GatorSports.com

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— It was an up-and-down game for junior guard KeVaughn Allen, who needed 15 shots to get to 15 points and also had four of UF’s 12 turnovers.  The 6-foot-2 Allen is getting better looks with the emergence of Jalen Hudson and Egor Koulechov on the perimeter and is taking more shots, but is 9 of 29 over his last two games. Simply put, Allen needs to make shots at a higher percentage in order for Florida to become a more dynamic offense.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 25, 2018, 08:01:37 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
7h7 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 77-72 loss to South Carolina http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/01/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-77-72-loss-south-carolina/ … via @GatorSports.com

I show 9-31 (29%) FGs and 4-16 (25%) from 3 since he had his aberration against us.  Basically, that's Kevaughn being Kevaughn..  15 shots a game to get 15 points, unless he's playing Arkansas.

For his career, he's averaging 12 points a game on 10 shots a game, including over five threes a game.  All-SEC my arse.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: FineAsSwine on January 25, 2018, 08:59:42 am
I show 9-31 (29%) FGs and 4-16 (25%) from 3 since he had his aberration against us.  Basically, that's Kevaughn being Kevaughn..  15 shots a game to get 15 points, unless he's playing Arkansas.

For his career, he's averaging 12 points a game on 10 shots a game, including over five threes a game.  All-SEC my arse.

If he played us every game, he would be the number one overall pick.  ;)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: hoglady on January 25, 2018, 01:57:26 pm
I show 9-31 (29%) FGs and 4-16 (25%) from 3 since he had his aberration against us.  Basically, that's Kevaughn being Kevaughn..  15 shots a game to get 15 points, unless he's playing Arkansas.

For his career, he's averaging 12 points a game on 10 shots a game, including over five threes a game.  All-SEC my arse.

Was there ever really a doubt he would revert back to form.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 30, 2018, 08:36:05 pm
Allen was 1-5 from 3 and took 11 shots to get 9 points in Florida’s 72-60 loss to UG.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on January 30, 2018, 09:05:30 pm
Allen was 1-5 from 3 and took 11 shots to get 9 points in Florida’s 72-60 loss to UG.

S-T-U-D
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on January 31, 2018, 06:16:33 am
 Michael Carvell‏ @Michael_Carvell

Florida basketball: Ice-cold shooting stretch dooms Gators on the road at Georgia
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No. 23 Gators continued an unfortunate trend of following momentous wins with frustrating setbacks, taking a 72-60 loss at Georgia in Athens, Ga.

Florida (15-7, 6-3 SEC) was coming off a 21-point blowout win over Baylor in the Big 12/SEC Challenge and had won 9 of its last 11 games overall before a rough shooting performance undermined them in this one.

Gators later led 51-48 after another Hudson 3-pointer with 10:49 left to play. Incredibly, though, Florida wouldn’t make another field goal until there was 1:07 remaining. During that cold spell, they missed 15 straight shots from the field and 19 of 20.

They would finish 36.5 percent from the field (34.6 from 3-point range).

Chiozza finished with 15 points and 6 assists (with 1 turnover) for the Gators while Koulechov added 13 points and 7 rebounds. Hudson (3 of 14 from the field) and Allen (4 of 11) finished with 9 points each.

Florida came into the game averaging 80.7 points per game. This marked the Gators’ fewest points since scoring 59 in a loss to Loyola Chicago during a three-game losing streak in early December.

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Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 03, 2018, 05:16:57 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
17m17 minutes ago

Final: Alabama 68, No. 23 Florida 50. Gators score just 17 points in the second half and held to a season low in points this season.

Worst loss for #Gators against Alabama since 1989

Gators struggled from the perimeter, going 5 of 24 from 3-point range.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 04, 2018, 01:22:31 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Notebook: Lack of bench points doom Gators in Alabama loss http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/02/lack-bench-points-doom-gators-alabama-loss/ … via @GatorSports.com

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UF finished the game shooting 20.8 percent from 3-point range (5-24) its worst 3-point shooting game since shooting 20 percent (6-30) against Kentucky. … With 16 points, Florida junior guard KeVaughn Allen passed Taurean Green for 38th on UF’s all-time scoring list. Allen now has 1,187 career points.

Final: Alabama 68, No. 23 Florida 50. Gators score just 17 points in the second half and held to a season low in points this season.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 11, 2018, 08:15:04 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 65-41 win over South Carolina http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/02/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-65-41-win-south-carolina/ … via @GatorSports.com

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— Allen, though, was unable get going offensively in his new role as sixth man, going 1 for 6 from the field with just 4 points. The 6-foot-2 Allen missed a runout layup in the first half and had a first-half 3-pointer called back due to, you guessed it, a shot clock violation. It may take time for Allen, who already is not an assertive scorer by nature, to learn how to handle coming into a game off the bench.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 11, 2018, 08:29:14 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 65-41 win over South Carolina http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/02/beyond-arc-3-takeaways-ufs-65-41-win-south-carolina/ … via @GatorSports.com

What do you know?  Even if he comes off of the bench, he's still not good.

Also, they worded that perfectly because he's not an assertive scorer, just an assertive shooter.  If he made more, he'd be an assertive scorer. 
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 17, 2018, 05:30:15 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
22m22 minutes ago

Egor and KeVaughn both miss 3s in closing seconds. Vanderbilt 71, Florida 68 final. #Gators fall to 17-10, 8-6 SEC
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 17, 2018, 05:32:20 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
15m15 minutes ago

Gators squander another lead, fall at Vandy http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/02/gators-squander-another-lead-fall-vandy/ … via @GatorSports.com

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Another game. Another blown second-half lead for the Florida Gators.

Vanderbilt senior guard Riley LaChance put the Commodores ahead to stay with a driving layup with 1:51 left Saturday, and Vanderbilt held on the beat the Gators 71-68 at Memorial Gym.

Florida had two chances to force overtime, but senior guard Egor Koulechov missed a turn-around, corner 3-point attempt with five seconds left. Then, off a scramble, junior guard KeVaughn Allen was able to get off a 3-point attempt just before the buzzer that rimmed out.

VANDERBILT 71, FLORIDA 68
FLORIDA (17-10)

Stone 7-11 4-4 20, Hayes 2-5 1-2 5, Koulechov 5-11 0-0 14, Allen 3-8 0-0 7, Chiozza 3-10 0-0 6, Bassett 1-1 0-0 2, Ballard 0-1 0-0 0, Hudson 4-12 2-4 10, Okauru 2-4 0-1 4. Totals 27-63 7-11 68.
VANDERBILT (11-16)

Roberson 6-11 12-12 26, Obinna 1-2 0-0 2, Evans 2-2 2-2 8, LaChance 7-12 5-6 21, Lee 0-4 1-2 1, Brown 0-0 0-0 0, Baptiste 0-0 0-0 0, Willis 0-3 0-0 0, Toye 4-7 2-2 13. Totals 20-41 22-24 71.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 22, 2018, 05:45:56 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Florida drops third straight, falls at Tennessee http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/02/florida-drops-third-straight-falls-tennessee/ … via @GatorSports.com

White on benching KeVaughn Allen late, "I went with the guys who were aggressive and KeVaughn was not aggressive."

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No. 19 TENNESSEE 62, FLORIDA 57

FLORIDA (17-11)
Stone 3-9 4-7 11, Hayes 4-5 1-2 9, Chiozza 5-10 0-2 11, Allen 0-3 0-0 0, Koulechov 2-10 1-2 7, Bassett 2-3 0-0 4, Gak 0-0 0-0 0, Ballard 0-4 0-0 0, Okauru 1-5 0-0 2, Hudson 4-11 3-3 13. Totals 21-60 9-16 57.

TENNESSEE (20-7)
Williams 8-13 7-8 23, Schofield 7-17 1-1 16, Alexander 0-0 0-0 0, Bowden 2-5 5-6 9, Bone 3-9 0-0 6, Pons 0-0 0-0 0, Fulkerson 0-2 0-0 0, Daniel 1-3 0-0 3, J.Johnson 0-0 0-0 0, Darrington 0-0 0-0 0, Turner 2-4 0-0 5. Totals 23-53 13-15 62.

3-Point Goals_Florida 6-24 (Koulechov 2-6, Hudson 2-6, Chiozza 1-2, Stone 1-6, Ballard 0-1, Okauru 0-1, Allen 0-2)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 25, 2018, 08:06:47 am
No. 12 Auburn rallies in 2nd half but falls at Florida with share of SEC title on line
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Tigers tried to claw back into the game bit by bit in the second half. They got within four with 11:48 to play on the heels of a 15-5 run, and briefly took the lead three times in the final four minutes -- holding a lead for all of 53 seconds on the night -- but each time the Gators had an answer.

More often than not, it was in the form of a jumper by Allen, who started 0-for-5 from the floor but finished with 24 points and shot 6-of-10 from beyond the arc just one game removed from being held scoreless against Tennessee.

"He's a very talented player, and I think probably coaches -- how do you go 24 one game and zero in one game? But he's a dangerous player," Pearl said. "He's a dangerous weapon, and maybe tonight gets him kickstarted a little bit, because we tried to guard him but he made some tough shots. He had a good feeling tonight."

Allen responded with a 3-pointer to put the Gators back on top, 63-62.

Heron, who finished with a team-high 22 points on 8-of-11 shooting in his return from a stomach virus, made two free throws to again give Auburn a one-point lead, but Allen answered again with a 3-pointer to put the Gators up, 66-64.

"He's so capable of that," Florida coach Mike White said. "... I was really proud that he remained aggressive. He had a meeting with a couple of his teammates he's really close with, and they encouraged him and challenged him at the same time, because when he's aggressive, other guys gain confidence. He's an electric scorer, and he's one of the few guys who can start 0-for-5 and make his next six. He can really fill it up."

It was the Gators' 13th made 3-pointer of the night, which Pearl said was equally disappointing as the fact the Tigers committed 13 first-half turnovers and finished with 16 for the game.

"Like, gameplan: Don't turn it over. Don't let them beat you from 3," Pearl said. "It's pretty simple."

Allen had a rare miss in the final minute that gave Auburn the ball and a chance to tie or take the lead, but Brown's 3-point attempt was blocked. He finished with six points on 2-of-8 shooting but added five assists as his shooting slump continued.

"It feels good to get a win," Allen said. "We've been losing a lot of close games lately. To win this game is big for us."

It snapped a three-game losing streak for Florida and extended the Gators' win streak against Auburn to 11 games --
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 25, 2018, 10:30:43 am
Jake Winderman
‏Verified account @jakewinderman
10h10 hours ago

KeVaughn Allen’s three-quarter court shot to end the first half was No. 1 on the 1 a.m. edition of @SportsCenter. #Gators

 SEC Network‏Verified account @SECNetwork

KeVaughn Allen has RANGE: http://bit.ly/2opDzHJ  (https://twitter.com/SECNetwork/status/967590023859187712)
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on February 26, 2018, 06:20:17 am
Haleigh Singer
‏ @Haleigh_Singer
Feb 24

Coach Mike White just asked any student who sees Allen on campus to tell him to “shoot the basketball”
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 26, 2018, 01:41:37 pm
Gotta give it to him, he had a great game.  He has those about once every 30th game.  His coach has always says he has to "beg him to shoot", which cracks me up.  Dude has been shooting 10+ shots a game since he stepped onto campus.  We hear that until Allen has a 3-15 (1-10) game and then we don't hear about his coach begging him to shoot it for another 10 games.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on February 27, 2018, 08:02:06 pm
Gotta give it to him, he had a great game.  He has those about once every 30th game.  His coach has always says he has to "beg him to shoot", which cracks me up.  Dude has been shooting 10+ shots a game since he stepped onto campus.  We hear that until Allen has a 3-15 (1-10) game and then we don't hear about his coach begging him to shoot it for another 10 games.

Although they won by 1,000,000, I bet White wishes he didn't tell Allen to shoot a ton.  Back to the game I said would come.  He went 4-12 (1-8 from 3) for 13 points.  12 shots, including 8 threes, to get to 13 points.  Superstar.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 10, 2018, 07:06:27 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
6h6 hours ago

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 80-72 loss to Arkansas in the SEC Tournament http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/03/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-ufs-80-72-loss-to-arkansas-in-the-sec-tournament/ … via @GatorSports.com

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Three observations following UF’s 80-72 loss to Arkansas in the SEC Tournament on Friday night:

— From a shot selection standpoint, Florida reverted to taking some ugly ones...

— Florida continued its late season free-throw regression, going 9 of 14 (64.3 percent) from the line. With 1:05 left and Florida down 69-60, the Gators had a chance to cut it to a two-possession game when KeVaughn Allen was fouled on a 3-point attempt. But Allen, a 92.3 percent free throw shooter, made just 1 of 3 free throws in a pressure spot.

FLORIDA (20-12)

Hayes 2-3 0-0 4, Hudson 2-9 0-2 6, Allen 4-11 1-3 11, Koulechov 2-11 2-2 8, Chiozza 5-11 4-4 16...
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 17, 2018, 09:36:47 pm

Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
1m1 minute ago

Florida now 6-19 from 3, 2 of last 12 after 4 for 7 start
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 17, 2018, 09:55:43 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops
1m1 minute ago

Florida now 6-19 from 3, 2 of last 12 after 4 for 7 start

Allen 2-10 and 1-4 from 3.  3 assists and 3 turnovers.  Basically, just his average game.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on March 18, 2018, 01:42:26 pm
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Beyond the arc: 3 takeaways from UF’s 69-66 loss to Texas Tech http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/03/beyond-the-arc-3-takeaways-from-ufs-69-66-to-texas-tech … via @GatorSports.com

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Three observations from sixth-seeded UF’s 69-66 loss to third-seeded Texas Tech in the NCAA Tournament in Dallas on Saturday night:

— It was fitting, perhaps, that the season came to an end on a KeVaughn Allen missed shot.


Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: The Hogfather on March 18, 2018, 01:45:47 pm
Now we just have to wait to see if he's going to leave early.  He's a lottery pick, right?  He's taller than Beard and looks better in his uniform.  He doesn't really play any better than Beard, but he has to be much better, right?  I mean, just look at him.
Title: Re: Kevaughn Allen Iverson (Shot Volume-wise)
Post by: jbcarol on April 05, 2018, 09:14:00 am
Kevin Brockway
‏ @gatorhoops

Florida finished the year ranked 337th in the nation (out of 351 teams) in points per possession out of timeouts (0.722). Something #Gator coaching staff will need to work on during offseason.