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Nosboar Accubond:

https://youtu.be/pGeWZkoQDvA

Morris vs. Norvell

Close game midway through the 3rd, then it got away from SMU...

Again... need a defense...

Get that D.C. coach, and we're in good shape.

lumphog:

I recorded this game and am watching it as I type.... Morris is a good coach, but, I think we missed out on the best coach.... SMITE AWAY!!!!!! #JimmyJohnsonMiss0.2

Nosboar Accubond:


--- Quote from: lumphog on December 16, 2017, 07:11:00 am ---I recorded this game and am watching it as I type.... Morris is a good coach, but, I think we missed out on the best coach.... SMITE AWAY!!!!!! #JimmyJohnsonMiss0.2

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Norvell has some serious stuff from his last stop... Hogs made the right call, and Norvell was my #1...

TebowHater:


--- Quote from: lumphog on December 16, 2017, 07:11:00 am ---I recorded this game and am watching it as I type.... Morris is a good coach, but, I think we missed out on the best coach.... SMITE AWAY!!!!!! #JimmyJohnsonMiss0.2

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We didn't miss. Norvell's past missed on us. Both sides wanted him to be the coach here, in an ideal world.

Nosboar Accubond:


--- Quote from: TebowHater on December 16, 2017, 07:31:09 am ---We didn't miss. Norvell's past missed on us. Both sides wanted him to be the coach here, in an ideal world.

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This...

Nashville Fan:

The DC at Memphis has led the nation in take-a-ways at several different schools. Might be a good fit.

Bacons Rebellion:


--- Quote from: Nashville Fan on December 16, 2017, 07:59:11 am ---The DC at Memphis has led the nation in take-a-ways at several different schools. Might be a good fit.

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Takeaways are fun, and they win specific games. Creating them is great. Relying on them as a strategy / philosophy is generally not a good idea. Turnovers are uncommon, even if you lead the nation in them, and you just can't count on creating them on a regular basis.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Nosboar Accubond on December 16, 2017, 07:30:31 am --- Norvell has some serious stuff from his last stop... Hogs made the right call, and Norvell was my #1...

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This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

If that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired the day after Gus turned it down.

jkstock04:


--- Quote from: Bacons Rebellion on December 16, 2017, 08:13:11 am ---Takeaways are fun, and they win specific games. Creating them is great. Relying on them as a strategy / philosophy is generally not a good idea. Turnovers are uncommon, even if you lead the nation in them, and you just can't count on creating them on a regular basis.

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Disagree with this...when you are outmanned/out talented on defense like the Hogs are on a normal basis you have to find other ways to compete. Stats like turnover margins or turnover gains donít exist for empty fodder. I can promise you some programs make creating turnovers a part of their defensive philosophy.

lumphog:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

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Agree.... I hope hey made the right hire, but my gut says history repeats... BUT, I still believe there is another very important piece to this puzzle (DC) that is still to come. This may just be a HOMERUN HIRE... we'll see

Dr. Starcs:


--- Quote from: Nosboar Accubond on December 16, 2017, 07:30:31 am --- Norvell has some serious stuff from his last stop... Hogs made the right call, and Norvell was my #1...

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More info please

Dr. Starcs:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

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Appears that way.

JayHog:


--- Quote from: Dr. Starcs on December 16, 2017, 08:41:49 am ---More info please

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I heard he had a bad gambling problem. Owes the casinos in Tunica money, allegedly.

Hoggish1:

A great D and DC is what we MUST have with this offense!

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Dr. Starcs on December 16, 2017, 08:42:53 am ---Appears that way.

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No doubt. I miss the days when there were coaching searches where multiple applicants were all seriously considered and the best one got the job offer. As I stated earlier, if that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired they day after Gus turned the job down. Instead, he was never seriously considered for the reason I mentioned.

OneTuskOverTheLineô:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

If that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired the day after Gus turned it down.

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 You may be right, BUT I PROMISE YOU IF YOU ARE IT"S A LUCKY GUESS.

 ALL OF Y'aLL LIED and MADE DARN UP THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH..!!

LET THIS SHIP SAIL AND ROOT HOG OR DIE.!!

lumphog:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 09:25:13 am ---No doubt. I miss the days when there were coaching searches where multiple applicants were all seriously considered and the best one got the job offer. As I stated earlier, if that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired they day after Gus turned the job down. Instead, he was never seriously considered for the reason I mentioned.

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ARE YOU $$$$AYING MONEY TALK$$$$$$$$$??? I believe ya Guv

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: lumphog on December 16, 2017, 09:41:15 am ---ARE YOU $$$$AYING MONEY TALK$$$$$$$$$??? I believe ya Guv

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No, I'm saying that the Malzahnites and the Springdale Mafia controlled the coaching search to make sure that the next coach would be either Gus or a Gus clone.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on December 16, 2017, 09:37:45 am --- You may be right, BUT I PROMISE YOU IF YOU ARE IT"S A LUCKY GUESS.

 ALL OF Y'aLL LIED and MADE DARN UP THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH..!!

LET THIS SHIP SAIL AND ROOT HOG OR DIE.!!

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I'm a solid Hog supporter and I'm definitely in Chad Morris's corner but what I said about the coaching search is true. I told no lies about the coaching search nor did I make up any darn about it.

Rayzback:

Watching a few SMU games myself, currently mid way through the TCU game (right after they beat us).   Having the youngest OC is the SEC, really curious to see who they get as DC.

Mr Jade:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

If that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired the day after Gus turned it down.

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Why should anyone believe anything you say after being constantly wrong and making things up? Cite a source.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Mr Jade on December 16, 2017, 10:00:16 am ---Why should anyone believe anything you say after being constantly wrong and making things up? Cite a source.

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I didn't make anything up about the coaching search. Is it not obvious to you that Chad Morris is a Gus Malzahn clone? Surely you aren't blind to that fact.

I very much like Chad Morris and he has my support but I'm not blind to the truth about the coaching search.

wpswillriseagain:

If Morris was at Memphis he would have beat SMU too. Morris in my opinion making that SMU program a potential 8 win team is more impressive then what Norvell walked into. Smite away but thatís my opinion

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: TebowHater on December 16, 2017, 07:31:09 am ---We didn't miss. Norvell's past missed on us. Both sides wanted him to be the coach here, in an ideal world.

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If both sides wanted him here bad enough it wouldn't have mattered. I doubt one side had enough interest and it doesn't matter why. Maybe Norvell didn't pass on its. Unless you are his agent or wife then you have no clue any more than anyone else other than the parties involved. I doubt you are were of the parties involved.

Danimal:


--- Quote from: lumphog on December 16, 2017, 07:11:00 am ---I recorded this game and am watching it as I type.... Morris is a good coach, but, I think we missed out on the best coach.... SMITE AWAY!!!!!! #JimmyJohnsonMiss0.2

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No smite here. I've nothing against Morris, but the day will come that Norvell will prove why HE should've been hired -- thanks Jerry....

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

If that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired the day after Gus turned it down.

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Stupid. Norvell also has a fairly fast paced wide open offense. ALL hires have some degree of bias built in. Therefore that in and of itself doesn't make any hire less "legit" than another.

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 09:25:13 am ---No doubt. I miss the days when there were coaching searches where multiple applicants were all seriously considered and the best one got the job offer. As I stated earlier, if that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired they day after Gus turned the job down. Instead, he was never seriously considered for the reason I mentioned.

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Another fantasy Guv world post. What makes you think multiple applicants were not seriously considered. That's one of several reason why you would hire a vetting consulting company. IF you have only ONE applicant and you like them then there is no need for ANY vetting of multiple candidates.

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: Dr. Starcs on December 16, 2017, 08:42:53 am ---Appears that way.

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You know what they say about appearances..........they can be deceiving.

Tyro3:

Conspiracies abound, you gotta love it, only on Hogville!

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 09:49:41 am ---I'm a solid Hog supporter and I'm definitely in Chad Morris's corner but what I said about the coaching search is true. I told no lies about the coaching search nor did I make up any darn about it.

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Until you can provide solid proof then it is made up.

Mr Jade:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:17:24 am ---I didn't make anything up about the coaching search. Is it not obvious to you that Chad Morris is a Gus Malzahn clone? Surely you aren't blind to that fact.

I very much like Chad Morris and he has my support but I'm not blind to the truth about the coaching search.

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So what if Morris runs a Malzahn-esque offense? Correlation does not equal causation and your postulation about the two being intertwined requires proof. So prove it. What evidence do you have that Morris was a force-pick over Norvell specifically because he runs an offense like Malzahn, and why does this trump the hypothesis that he was chosen simply because he was the better candidate like Occam's Razor insists?

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Inhogswetrust on December 16, 2017, 10:33:31 am ---Another fantasy Guv world post. What makes you think multiple applicants were not seriously considered. That's one of several reason why you would hire a vetting consulting company. IF you have only ONE applicant and you like them then there is no need for ANY vetting of multiple candidates.

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It's really very simple. Chad Morris is the ONLY one of the applicants who just happens to be a Gus Malzahn clone and he got the job. That is not a coincidence by any stretch of the imagination. It's as obvious as the nose on one's face that the coaching search was clearly orchestrated to make absolutely sure that the new HC would either be Gus Malzahn or a Gus Malzahn clone.

Mr Jade:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:40:27 am ---It's really very simple. Chad Morris is the ONLY one of the applicants who just happens to be a Gus Malzahn clone and he got the job. That is not a coincidence by any stretch of the imagination. It's as obvious as the nose on one's face that the coaching search was clearly orchestrated to make absolutely sure that the new HC would either be Gus Malzahn or a Gus Malzahn clone.

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Why couldn't it be a coincidence? Can you prove that it isn't? Correlation does not equal causation. You are confusing the two. Logic insists that aside from evidence, Morris was not hired in a conspiracy. Continuing to say he was without evidence makes you look paranoid and foolish.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Mr Jade on December 16, 2017, 10:37:24 am ---So what if Morris runs a Malzahn-esque offense? Correlation does not equal causation and your postulation about the two being intertwined requires proof. So prove it. What evidence do you have that Morris was a force-pick over Norvell specifically because he runs an offense like Malzahn, and why does this trump the hypothesis that he was chosen simply because he was the better candidate like Occam's Razor insists?

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The evidence is right there in front of your face. They threw the bank at Gus Malzahn trying to get him so when that fell through, they weren't about to settle for any coach who wasn't a Gus clone. You do realize that Gus is Chad Morris's mentor don't you?? Gus taught Morris the offense he runs verbatim.

Mr Jade:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:45:40 am ---The evidence is right there in front of your face. They threw the bank at Gus Malzahn trying to get him so when that fell through, they weren't about to settle for any coach who wasn't a Gus clone. You do realize that Gus is Chad Morris's mentor don't you?? Gus taught Morris the offense he runs verbatim.

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So the sum total evidence is that he is similar. And that's it? Hardly a persuasive case. Again, paranoid and foolish.

Dr. Starcs:

Donít forget Saint Gus gave his blessing on the hire as well.
Itís amazing how so many people are oblivious to the red flags.

I think we all want the Hogs to do well and that now most definitely includes CCM, but to say that there werenít some questionable things in this whole process is to turn a blind eye. But oh yeah, itís the popular thing to go after Guv.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Mr Jade on December 16, 2017, 10:48:37 am ---So the sum total evidence is that he is similar. And that's it? Hardly a persuasive case. Again, paranoid and foolish.

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Chad Morris is more than just similar to Gus. Morris runs the EXACT same offense that Gus ran at Springdale High School when Mitch Mustain was the QB. Mitch, by the way, wasn't a dual threat QB nor was SMU's QB of the last 2 years a dual threat QB.


Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:40:27 am ---It's really very simple. Chad Morris is the ONLY one of the applicants who just happens to be a Gus Malzahn clone and he got the job. That is not a coincidence by any stretch of the imagination. It's as obvious as the nose on one's face that the coaching search was clearly orchestrated to make absolutely sure that the new HC would either be Gus Malzahn or a Gus Malzahn clone.

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Just because he worked with Gus and uses a similar offense does' automatically make him a Gus clone.

 By the way Guv here's some breaking news. The moon landing was faked and there was a shooter on the grassy knoll.

Nosboar Accubond:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 08:25:30 am ---This is not true. The reason Norvell didn't get the job had nothing to do with his past. He didn't get the job because he isn't a Gus Malzahn clone. I like Morris and I believe he is a good hire but the only reason he got the job is because he's a Gus clone.

The Malzahnites on the hill controlled the search from the git-go and were determined to pull out all stops to get Malzahn or get his clone. They got what they wanted.

If that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired the day after Gus turned it down.

--- End quote ---
You're clueless on this one Guv...

With all the coaching changes this year why didn't your hear Norvell's name, ever?

There's a reason, but keep hammering your conspiracy theory.

Nosboar Accubond:


--- Quote from: JayHog on December 16, 2017, 08:53:58 am ---
I heard he had a bad gambling problem. Owes the casinos in Tunica money, allegedly.

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Not true

Rayzback:


--- Quote from: Dr. Starcs on December 16, 2017, 10:51:40 am ---Donít forget Saint Gus gave his blessing on the hire as well.
Itís amazing how so many people are oblivious to the red flags.

I think we all want the Hogs to do well and that now most definitely includes CCM, but to say that there werenít some questionable things in this whole process is to turn a blind eye. But oh yeah, itís the popular thing to go after Guv.

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Looking more like a black flag event :)

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Nosboar Accubond on December 16, 2017, 10:55:10 am ---You're clueless on this one Guv...

With all the coaching changes this year why didn't your hear Norvell's name, ever?

There's a reason, but keep hammering your conspiracy theory.

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It isn't a theory, it's true. Take your blinders off.

Nosboar Accubond:

I mean come on...  If Norvell was the savior and squeaky clean he'd be coaching somewhere in the SEC or PAC12 right now. Ties to both areas.

Inhogswetrust:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:53:47 am ---Chad Morris is more than just similar to Gus. Morris runs the EXACT same offense that Gus ran at Springdale High School when Mitch Mustain was the QB. Mitch, by the way, wasn't a dual threat QB nor was SMU's QB of the last 2 years a dual threat QB.


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So he uses exactly all the same plays and terminology all the time in every game. Doubtful. Coaches are known to use a LOT of information from a variety of sources. His working with him in the past would obviously suggest he uses SOME of Gus's stuff but that in NO way suggests it is a carbon copy all the time inn EXACT way.

Nosboar Accubond:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 10:57:32 am ---It isn't a theory, it's true. Take your blinders off.

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Based on what Guv? How do you know it's true?

I know what I know. Now that the dust has settled loose lips are abundant. Not hard to find out the truth.

Chorizo Hogriguez:

Defense is good!

hoofer:


--- Quote from: GuvHog on December 16, 2017, 09:25:13 am ---No doubt. I miss the days when there were coaching searches where multiple applicants were all seriously considered and the best one got the job offer. As I stated earlier, if that had been a truly honest, unbiased, legit coaching search, Norvell would have been hired they day after Gus turned the job down. Instead, he was never seriously considered for the reason I mentioned.

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I see all your comments as you know what actually went on. You don't. None of what you said was true. Norvell was very much in the hunt to get the job. There were some things in his past, they were talked about face to face during the interview, and they would not have kept him from getting the job. The fact is when they interviewed Morris (after Norvell), they realized Morris is the guy. Both are great coaches but it was very apparent through interview process who the right coach for the Hogs was. And Morris was the guy.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: Nosboar Accubond on December 16, 2017, 11:00:33 am ---Based on what Guv? How do you know it's true?

I know what I know. Now that the dust has settled loose lips are abundant. Not hard to find out the truth.

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I know the truth. Norvell's past had nothing to do with why he wasn't hired and I've shown that. Norvell wasn't seriously considered because he ISN'T a Gus Malzahn Clone. Morris was hired because he IS a Gus Malzahn clone. Comparisons don't lie.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: hoofer on December 16, 2017, 11:05:08 am ---I see all your comments as you know what actually went on. You don't. None of what you said was true. Norvell was very much in the hunt to get the job. There were some things in his past, they were talked about face to face during the interview, and they would not have kept him from getting the job. The fact is when they interviewed Morris (after Norvell), they realized Morris is the guy. Both are great coaches but it was very apparent through interview process who the right coach for the Hogs was. And Morris was the guy.

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No, Morris was hired because he is a Gus Malzahn clone. Norvell ISN"T a Gus Malzahn clone and that is why he didn't get offered the job.

Danimal:


--- Quote from: JayHog on December 16, 2017, 08:53:58 am ---
I heard he had a bad gambling problem. Owes the casinos in Tunica money, allegedly.

--- End quote ---
I'm not a gambler, so I'm gonna ask -- how do you OWE money to a casino? Do they issue lines of credit?

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