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Track and Field
« on: June 10, 2018, 01:28:48 pm »

Anyone keeping up?  Whatís happening?
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 03:24:34 pm »

Eleventh & Twelth

https://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/track-field/results/d1/outdoor18/Finals/scores.htm

Thanks!

So, sixth in SEC in womenís and seventh in menís by my count.  Hope itís just a one year thing.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 05:06:20 pm »

Thanks!

So, sixth in SEC in womenís and seventh in menís by my count.  Hope itís just a one year thing.
For the women yes, for the men the cupboard is and will be a bit bare. I donít think Bucknam can recruit enough talent out of Iowa to restock his squad.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 09:12:26 pm »

The next news out of track and field should be that Bucknam has been told to find another job and we find a coach worthy of this program.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 11:38:55 pm »

The next news out of track and field should be that Bucknam has been told to find another job and we find a coach worthy of this program.

One can only hope. Heís absolutely destroyed the program, at this position.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 11:49:57 pm »

One can only hope. Heís absolutely destroyed the program, at this position.

Who hired him?
The same guy who didn't want anyone with Arkansas connections?

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 12:37:50 am »

we have lost the intimidation factor we once had...it's gone

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 01:06:49 am »

The next news out of track and field should be that Bucknam has been told to find another job and we find a coach worthy of this program.
Coach Flo coaxed Sydney McLaughlin out of New Jersey to come run in the SEC at least for one year. Coach Florťal has a nose for talent and was part of several Razorback National Championship teams.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 07:04:13 am »

I have been saying this for a while about the men's team. The coaches simply can't recruit. There are some other issues as well. Find out where former Razorback and current professional hurdler, Omar McLeod, is training. It ain't Fayetteville like it was at first. Try freakin Lexington.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 07:18:33 am »

Flo knows Track! Bring him home!

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 10:08:44 am »

I've never emailed the AD at Arkansas before - but I think I'm going to send Yuracheck an email.

Won't mean squat I'm sure - but I will feel better.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 01:23:13 pm »

Maybe we need another Irishman, you know tradition is important.

Traditions,
Alabama-winning football games
Kentucky-winning basketball games
Arkansas-winning track and field events!!!
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 02:22:52 pm »

Maybe we need another Irishman, you know tradition is important.

Traditions,
Alabama-winning football games
Kentucky-winning basketball games
Arkansas-winning track and field events!!!
I would make a big splash hire and go get that British Coach that trains Kenyan David Rudisha et. Al.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 03:44:12 pm »

Do any of you think Bucknam is on thin ice or will he be allowed to stay long enough to totally destroy it all.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 04:21:07 pm »

Do any of you think Bucknam is on thin ice or will he be allowed to stay long enough to totally destroy it all.

With track I donít think the natives have to get restless, there is too much history to ride with a coach that isnít keeping us at the top.  However with Jeff Long gone I would expect a lot more research and knowledge going into a search.  No one in the Track and Field world should outbid Arkansas for a coach...no one!  You canít wait until you lose all semblance of a top program before you make a change, as we have learned in other sports itís very hard to get it back and itís very hard to get it right.  Knowledge and research, then pay the money!

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2018, 10:00:18 am »

Who hired him?
The same guy who didn't want anyone with Arkansas connections?
Correctamundo.  Jeff "The Momentum Killer" Long. 

I think it is time to evaluate the program from top to bottom and determine the barriers keeping us from returning to national prominence.  I can tell you that there is still deep resentment from many alumni of the program (including myself) over the way Dick Booth was allowed to be treated.  I can tell you that there are some great former athletes (and exceedingly marginal ones like me) who feel that their contributions to the program have been marginalized.

Lastly, John turns 80 in a couple of weeks.   I personally feel that there is no greater tribute to the greatest coach the sport has ever known than to make a concerted effort to return the program to its full glory, and to return his athletes into the fold. 


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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2018, 08:01:54 pm »

Program of the Year

Men-2nd
Women-4th

http://www.ustfccca.org/2018/06/featured/alabama-stanford-named-ustfccca-ncaa-di-programs-of-the-year

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-finish-runner-up-in-ustfccca-program-of-the-year/

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/razorbacks-elite-team-for-sixth-consecutive-year/
When you concentrate on all three facets of the sport the way we do it is Ďrelativelyí easy to merit these kinds of awards. Teams like Florida, aTm et. Al. do not lean that heavy on their XCountry program so, they do not figure that highly in the final standings. I donít think these paper averages are going to carry much weight with the folks who cherish this once storied and proud program.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2018, 09:17:25 pm »

Itís been a long time since someone has won a triple crown and I donít know if such a thing is possible anymore but winning one or two out of three should be the expectation.

Looks like we HAVE been better across the board for the last four years but with little to no event championships.

Is that good enough?

Or should we still be expecting event championships?
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2018, 08:51:59 am »

Itís been a long time since someone has won a triple crown and I donít know if such a thing is possible anymore but winning one or two out of three should be the expectation.

Looks like we HAVE been better across the board for the last four years but with little to no event championships.

Is that good enough?

Or should we still be expecting event championships?
Oregon has the best chance at the elusive Triple Crown especially after Phil Knightís recent $500,000,000 donation to their athletic program. The Duckís new state of the art outdoor track will seat 30,000 people for peak events and act like a magnet for recruiting. As for the Razorback Thinclads, I think coach McDonnell got it right with his focus on recruiting the best cross-country athletes first and then positioning those athletes in multiple flat/banked track events.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2018, 06:46:45 pm »

Coach Floreal took the Texas job today. So much for bringing him home
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2018, 11:01:31 pm »

Coach Floreal took the Texas job today. So much for bringing him home
😖...A big part of Bucknamís problem is that he does not have a steady pipeline to any reliable and fruitful recruiting bed. Coach McDonnell of course had Ireland in which he supplemented with the occasional Brit.  The Woodlands in Texas was always a good feeder school to our program over the years. Suburban KC was also a reliable locale for a few good distance runners as well. I donít think Bucknamís pipeline to Iowa will ever prove to be reliable as some of Coach McDonnellís favorite recruiting haunts. The kids that Oregon is snatching up like Edward Cheserek of recent would have had trouble telling Coach McDonnell no.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2018, 04:42:29 am »

Why not hire away Stanley Redwine from Kansas?

Dude was a Hog under McDonnell and has been fairly successful, especially more recently.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2018, 08:02:54 am »

Why not hire away Stanley Redwine from Kansas?

Dude was a Hog under McDonnell and has been fairly successful, especially more recently.
I think you have to start with a coach from a strong Cross-Country program. Michael Smith out at Northern Arizona just might be our ticket back to the top.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2018, 03:19:25 pm »

And now Geopfert has taken the Associate HC job at Tennessee!
I can see the bottom but weíre not there yet!
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2018, 03:43:40 pm »

Geopfertís field crew scored 0 points at the recent NCAA Outdoor Nationals.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2018, 10:04:06 am »

I think the truth is in the middle.
Post McDonnell, a dropoff was inevitable. Repeat. INEVITABLE.
I expected that and am fairly pleased with the job Bucknam has done. He's got one national title and a slew of SEC titles.
I really can't say if we can do better or not. Maybe.

I was definitely a little depressed two years ago when we finished 2nd in the premier track event...NCAA Outdoors...while having one guy (Jarrion Lawson) score 31 points by himself. The thought was that if we can't win that year...are we ever going to win it again?
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2018, 10:28:48 am »

I think the truth is in the middle.
Post McDonnell, a dropoff was inevitable. Repeat. INEVITABLE.
I expected that and am fairly pleased with the job Bucknam has done. He's got one national title and a slew of SEC titles.
I really can't say if we can do better or not. Maybe.

I was definitely a little depressed two years ago when we finished 2nd in the premier track event...NCAA Outdoors...while having one guy (Jarrion Lawson) score 31 points by himself. The thought was that if we can't win that year...are we ever going to win it again?

I understand what your saying but you canít give an inch in your belief and determination to remain elite.  Arkansas is a school that can easliy side into oblivion in any sport as we have found out.  Many schools have went through a slump after replacing a legend and there is no bigger legend in any sport than JM.  I think the usual senario s that after a few mediocre years an elite school changes coaches again.  Itís a difficult situation and in Arkansas case the national pundits will automatically be ask ďwho does lil Ole Arkansas think they areĒ.  Well we have been, along with Oregon the premier of the elite track and field schools in the country. 

That can all be lost with bad decisions at the administration level. 
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2018, 11:36:55 am »

Maybe Ďgetting rid ofí Geopfert will open the door for more consistency in the Field and Multi-Event positions. With a bit of balance in both venues, I think we can get back on the national podium again.  As for winning consistently at the conference level, a 25í long jumper can score decent points at a conference meet but not at a national meet. A 7í high jumper can score points at a conference meet but not at nationals. Geopfert and Bucknam by extension have over-recruited to win conference meets but not national meets. Twenty-one (21) total points at the most recent national championships should be our total after the first dayís 10,000 m alone.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2018, 01:21:34 pm »

Let me ask this. Tenn women's basketball.
Should they have expected to keep rolling along, or accepted a dropoff after Pat Summit left?

I lean towards the latter.
Pat Summit was a once in a lifetime coach. Her replacement will not be as good. They should find a new level in hoops and accept it.
Same thing here with John McDonnell.
It's just reality. Otherwise, you're expecting another McDonnell-like coach to come along, and I don't think that's realistic.

The real question is of course Bucknam won't be as good as McDonnell, but is he doing well considering that fact? I don't know the answer.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2018, 03:05:05 pm »

Let me ask this. Tenn women's basketball.
Should they have expected to keep rolling along, or accepted a dropoff after Pat Summit left?

I lean towards the latter.
Pat Summit was a once in a lifetime coach. Her replacement will not be as good. They should find a new level in hoops and accept it.
Same thing here with John McDonnell.
It's just reality. Otherwise, you're expecting another McDonnell-like coach to come along, and I don't think that's realistic.

The real question is of course Bucknam won't be as good as McDonnell, but is he doing well considering that fact? I don't know the answer.

There is always drop-off at that level.  Speaking of Tenner, if her replacement doesnít win an NC in say five years what would you give as her chances of being retained.  Thing is, Arkansas is every bit at that level in Track.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2018, 06:05:44 pm »

I think the truth is in the middle.
Post McDonnell, a dropoff was inevitable. Repeat. INEVITABLE.
I expected that and am fairly pleased with the job Bucknam has done. He's got one national title and a slew of SEC titles.
I really can't say if we can do better or not. Maybe.

I was definitely a little depressed two years ago when we finished 2nd in the premier track event...NCAA Outdoors...while having one guy (Jarrion Lawson) score 31 points by himself. The thought was that if we can't win that year...are we ever going to win it again?

Why has Bucknam not embraced the Arkansas track athletes who came before?
It seems he's been intent on alienating them.
Many Arkansas track athletes used to come back to the University to train - it seems not many do that anymore.

Seems to me he could have used that to his advantage.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2018, 07:39:35 pm »

Believe what you want, but the absolute fact of the matter is that McDonnell wanted Bucknam, which is why we have him.

Hopefully he wants someone new for his 80th birthday.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2018, 09:26:02 pm »

Do any of you think Bucknam is on thin ice or will he be allowed to stay long enough to totally destroy it all.

 ;D

spot on Hoglady

spot....

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The OP needs to change the title to "Fire Bucknam"

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2018, 09:28:30 pm »

Believe what you want, but the absolute fact of the matter is that McDonnell wanted Bucknam, which is why we have him.

Hopefully he wants someone new for his 80th birthday.

I thought he wanted Booth.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2018, 09:33:51 pm »

I thought he wanted Booth.

Agreed. I don't recall McDonnell ever saying that he wanted Bucknam as his replacement.  Coach McDonnell may have had positive things to say about the hire after the fact, but you would expect nothing less from him.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2018, 10:05:03 pm »

There is always drop-off at that level.  Speaking of Tenner, if her replacement doesnít win an NC in say five years what would you give as her chances of being retained.  Thing is, Arkansas is every bit at that level in Track.
-> There is always drop-off at that level. -<

Then we agree. A dropoff was inevitable.
It happened with Tenn women. It happened with Ark track.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2018, 10:08:11 pm »

This topic seems to be important to a lot of Hogville posters - that's great.  John was a one in a million coach.  We (and no other school) cannot replicate it.  That being said, we are slipping.  Georgia, aTm, Florida and even Bama are ahead of us. 

I want to be good at all 3 - XC, indoor and outdoor.  It's tough and Bucknam has done an admirable job but again is slipping.  Go to John's simple formula.  One athlete competing in multiple events for points rather than say the decathalon where one athlete competes in 10 events to score once.

recruit great milers with range 800 meters to 10k.  Horizontal Jumpers who can sprint. Its really math, and John figured that out early.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2018, 10:40:53 pm »

I was visiting with John at our reunion and he said in his opinion no one would ever be able to replicate his sustained period of success in this day and time.  And he added that he didnít think he could do what he did back in the day now.  He said schools had wised up and more and more teams were putting more emphasis than before on distance

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2018, 11:26:06 pm »

Why has Bucknam not embraced the Arkansas track athletes who came before?
It seems he's been intent on alienating them.
Many Arkansas track athletes used to come back to the University to train - it seems not many do that anymore.

Do you even know what you're talking about? Or are you just making things up?

Omar McLeod and Wallace Spearmon are regulars at our track facilities. Jarrion Lawson bought a home nearby Fayetteville.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2018, 09:29:21 am »

Do you even know what you're talking about? Or are you just making things up?

Omar McLeod and Wallace Spearmon are regulars at our track facilities. Jarrion Lawson bought a home nearby Fayetteville.

No - I didn't just make that up.
There used to be a poster on here that was a track and field athlete and that was one of his main complaints with Bucknam when he came here.

It was posted in another thread that McLeod is training at Kentucky now.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2018, 11:59:51 am »

Omar is currently training at Kentucky and being trained by Edrick Floreal.  I assume now he will move to Austin.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2018, 03:17:48 pm »

Omar is currently training at Kentucky and being trained by Edrick Floreal.  I assume now he will move to Austin.
I imagine that Super Sydney ends up at Austin as well with her new found professional career.
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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2018, 09:27:26 pm »

Bucknam is like the Les Miles of Arkansas T&F. He won with McDonnellís guys, but once that talent ran out he just got worse as time went on. Now he is just mediocre like his former boss.

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Re: Track and Field
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2018, 10:42:17 pm »

Bucknam is like the Les Miles of Arkansas T&F. He won with McDonnellís guys, but once that talent ran out he just got worse as time went on. Now he is just mediocre like his former boss.
🧐I know years have a way of fusing together as we age but, I would have you inspect the McDonnell to Bucknam timeline a bit closer.
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